Just another day in the wild west of the United States , fuck shopping at malls or going to school everything should be done at home Teach your kids at home and shop on line :P ..
Was the 2nd amendment not written to protect the people from a government of tyranny? And even if it wasn't, how do we know we're not going to have to stand up against our government someday and fight for our rights? Maybe not in our lifetime but what about for future generations to come? Our kids, grandkids, or great grandkids. No one knows what the future holds. How do you think the people will stand up against tyranny with pistols and double barrel shotguns that have to be loaded every 2 shots? Meanwhile the government will be using all the weapons they said we weren't allowed to have.
Okay, it doesn't matter if you have a machine gun or a pistol from 1895. You're not going to be able to do ANYTHING against the US military/government if they decide to smack down an uprising with force. The issue is completely moot, and the most ridiculous part of any gun freak's argument against gun control.
agreed.
if the government wants to get you bad enough, you will never have the firepower to stop it.
and ontheedge, one man's sensible government is another man's tyranny. depends on the individual perspective... people in the south call lincoln a tyrant, people in the north call him a saint.
Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
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Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
The worthless people you speak of are your fellow countrymen, Aerial. I realize they have opposing views as yourself, but are they less American because they use their freedom to speak against gun violence and seek change to curb it? You can bet your bottom dollar they like freedom as much as you with the exception of the fact that while they enjoy their liberty... they don't want to worry about getting gunned down by a madman or shot by some punk.
are you seriously predicting and advocating a civil war? did you just commit treason against your government on a public forum?
:fp:
fact is, nobody dies for your "freedom". they die because they are the poor unfortunate souls that get selected to go fight a war of choice on foreign land and they are flippantly put there by old men to protect and procure corporate interests. these same men are the ones that never fought for anything in their life other than to change the rules and laws to preserve their own wealth and to keep others poor. it has nothing to do with your "freedom", or your "liberty", or your "rights", or your "living document" :roll:
you might view a person who shoots at fbi agents and atf agents as some sort of stupid "folk hero", but they are nothing more than traitors.
regarding muskets and the 2nd amendment, i ask you to find an example of a single person carrying out a massacre with a musket, or any other single shot weapon that was around at the time that that document was drafted. i will just save you some time, because you won't find it because it never fucking happened. they did not even have revolvers until the mid 1800s. these single person massacres did not start happening until the dawn of large capacity magazines and semiautomatic guns getting into the hands of the general public in the 1960s and 70s..
and i believe that it an exercise in futility for someone to use firepower and force to fight for anything against the government and it's military. you might have an ar 15, but the government will bring in a tank, or a howitzer, or a drone, and they will kill you if they want to. you will live if they allow you to. you will get due process if they allow you to.
and to be honest, aside from glen beck's website, i have not seen any credible stories of obama confiscating guns from vets that has not already been debunked by credible fact checkers. forgive me if i don't believe you, but i see the links you post, and none of them have convinced me of anything other than the fact that they were written by paranoid right wing extremists.
Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
Okay, it doesn't matter if you have a machine gun or a pistol from 1895. You're not going to be able to do ANYTHING against the US military/government if they decide to smack down an uprising with force. The issue is completely moot, and the most ridiculous part of any gun freak's argument against gun control.
agreed.
if the government wants to get you bad enough, you will never have the firepower to stop it.
and ontheedge, one man's sensible government is another man's tyranny. depends on the individual perspective... people in the south call lincoln a tyrant, people in the north call him a saint.
Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
:shock: :?
I cannot claim to understand your brand of paranoia, so I guess I don't have much to say about all that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
The worthless people you speak of are your fellow countrymen, Aerial. I realize they have opposing views as yourself, but are they less American because they use their freedom to speak against gun violence and seek change to curb it? You can bet your bottom dollar they like freedom as much as you with the exception of the fact that while they enjoy their liberty... they don't want to worry about getting gunned down by a madman or shot by some punk.
Who can Guarantee that your not going to run into some madman or punk? But if a person is allowed to defend there selves they may have a chance. I ask again, why aren't people spending more time on solving the problem we have with punks and madmen?
They may like freedom as much as the rest but are they ready to defend freedom? If you can't do that you are less of an American.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
are you seriously predicting and advocating a civil war? did you just commit treason against your government on a public forum?
:fp:
fact is, nobody dies for your "freedom". they die because they are the poor unfortunate souls that get selected to go fight a war of choice on foreign land and they are flippantly put there by old men to protect and procure corporate interests. these same men are the ones that never fought for anything in their life other than to change the rules and laws to preserve their own wealth and to keep others poor. it has nothing to do with your "freedom", or your "liberty", or your "rights", or your "living document" :roll:
you might view a person who shoots at fbi agents and atf agents as some sort of stupid "folk hero", but they are nothing more than traitors.
regarding muskets and the 2nd amendment, i ask you to find an example of a single person carrying out a massacre with a musket, or any other single shot weapon that was around at the time that that document was drafted. i will just save you some time, because you won't find it because it never fucking happened. they did not even have revolvers until the mid 1800s. these single person massacres did not start happening until the dawn of large capacity magazines and semiautomatic guns getting into the hands of the general public in the 1960s and 70s..
and i believe that it an exercise in futility for someone to use firepower and force to fight for anything against the government and it's military. you might have an ar 15, but the government will bring in a tank, or a howitzer, or a drone, and they will kill you if they want to. you will live if they allow you to. you will get due process if they allow you to.
and to be honest, aside from glen beck's website, i have not seen any credible stories of obama confiscating guns from vets that has not already been debunked by credible fact checkers. forgive me if i don't believe you, but i see the links you post, and none of them have convinced me of anything other than the fact that they were written by paranoid right wing extremists.
Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
I am not advocating anything. We are the government and we are responsible for the Freedom we keep. People do join the military to defend this country. Statistics show a surge of recruits after 911 also after Pearl Harbor. To most it has everything to do with our "freedom", or our "liberty", or our "rights", and our "living document". That said I do believe most wars are STARTED by people that would never go and fight or send there family members there. I also believe it should stop.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Who can Guarantee that your not going to run into some madman or punk? But if a person is allowed to defend there selves they may have a chance. I ask again, why aren't people spending more time on solving the problem we have with punks and madmen?
They may like freedom as much as the rest but are they ready to defend freedom? If you can't do that you are less of an American. (Aerial)
Nobody can guarantee that you are not going to run into a madman or a punk. How many times can you recall when someone has run into a madman or a punk that thye have had their gun with them to give themselves a chance?
Every country has problems with madmen and punks- the difference is that your country's leniant gun policies allow these types to easily arm themselves and express their rage in dramatic and violent fashion. I won't even talk about all the accidental gun deaths that also proliferate the news on a daily basis.
One could easily argue that you are less of an American than those you dimiss. Think about it this way: how real is the threat of the unbelievable amount of guns your country has lying around to the average citizen compared to the ridiculously paranoid notion of the government waiting to attack you? By choosing to ignore the real threat that your country faces on a daily basis- over 10,000 gun deaths per year (the highest rate of any country by far)- you are neglecting your responsibility as a democratic citizen to paticipate in the obvious change effort intended to curb the violence.
If you have served your country, I wish to tip my cap to you and acknowledge true bravery. But if you are just an average joe who has never truly lived life between the crosshairs... you probably shouldn't be speaking for the brave- just like I certainly shouldn't.
Your irrational fears are just that: irrational. It's really hard to take seriously: if people actually believe that the government they have elected is an authentic threat... geez.
Who can Guarantee that your not going to run into some madman or punk? But if a person is allowed to defend there selves they may have a chance. I ask again, why aren't people spending more time on solving the problem we have with punks and madmen?
They may like freedom as much as the rest but are they ready to defend freedom? If you can't do that you are less of an American. (Aerial)
Nobody can guarantee that you are not going to run into a madman or a punk. How many times can you recall when someone has run into a madman or a punk that thye have had their gun with them to give themselves a chance?
Every country has problems with madmen and punks- the difference is that your country's leniant gun policies allow these types to easily arm themselves and express their rage in dramatic and violent fashion. I won't even talk about all the accidental gun deaths that also proliferate the news on a daily basis.
One could easily argue that you are less of an American than those you dimiss. Think about it this way: how real is the threat of the unbelievable amount of guns your country has lying around to the average citizen compared to the ridiculously paranoid notion of the government waiting to attack you? By choosing to ignore the real threat that your country faces on a daily basis- over 10,000 gun deaths per year (the highest rate of any country by far)- you are neglecting your responsibility as a democratic citizen to paticipate in the obvious change effort intended to curb the violence.
If you have served your country, I wish to tip my cap to you and acknowledge true bravery. But if you are just an average joe who has never truly lived life between the crosshairs... you probably shouldn't be speaking for the brave- just like I certainly shouldn't.
Your irrational fears are just that: irrational. It's really hard to take seriously: if people actually believe that the government they have elected is an authentic threat... geez.
We do not have the highest rate of any country by far.......and do you ever see the Statistics on how many crimes--murders, rapes, assaults, robberies--are thwarted by ordinary persons who were fortunate enough to have access to a gun? It cannot be deny that people use guns successfully against criminals.
I have plenty of Family that are military or retired that have fought in wars.....and I am glad you see them as brave...the point I was trying to make....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
We do not have the highest rate of any country by far.......and do you ever see the Statistics on how many crimes--murders, rapes, assaults, robberies--are thwarted by ordinary persons who were fortunate enough to have access to a gun? It cannot be deny that people use guns successfully against criminals.
I have plenty of Family that are military or retired that have fought in wars.....and I am glad you see them as brave...the point I was trying to make....
You are the most armed country in the world by far and as a result... you have the most homicides by gun by far. This correlation is logical and not very difficult to comprehend.
Again, one could argue that these statistics could suggest that guns are a threat to homeland security considering the bloated number of homicides do not even include the number of accidental deaths such as the most recent one we read of and discussed on this forum (6 year old shoots 4 year old).
As for your assertion that people often come to the rescue with their guns... why don't you post these statistics so I may consider them? You're not just exercising a hunch are you? You were speaking from fact?
I fully respect all that have served. I see you never included yourself in that list of brave people... the point I was trying to make.
agreed.
if the government wants to get you bad enough, you will never have the firepower to stop it.
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We know. One only needs to Google Kent St, Ruby Ridge, and Waco. The government has purchased over one billion hollow point rounds and a-holes like the Chicago Police Superintendant have said that civilians in Illinois that concealed carry will be shot by cops because the police won't be prepared or trained for those that wish to defend themselves.
But no, nothing could possibly go wrong. Fucking tyrants.
agreed.
if the government wants to get you bad enough, you will never have the firepower to stop it.
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We know. One only needs to Google Kent St, Ruby Ridge, and Waco. The government has purchased over one billion hollow point rounds and a-holes like the Chicago Police Superintendant have said that civilians in Illinois that concealed carry will be shot by cops because the police won't be prepared or trained for those that wish to defend themselves.
But no, nothing could possibly go wrong. Fucking tyrants.
are you fucking serious???
is the federal government really a group of tyrants???? honestly??? would you really risk the well being of your wife and kids to take on the federal government???
man, i lament the loss of the old days, when you were once a reasonable person... i used to sit at my keyboard and wait to read your replies because they were reasonable and intelligent and worth reading. i don't know what has changed in the last 10 years, but something is terribly wrong.
you can google kent state and learn that those victims did nothing wrong and they were murdered as a result. you can google ruby ridge and read about it and realize that the government was within its power to act, or you can hold it up as some sort of right wing rallying point that this repressive government can not attack a criminal with a gun, and that that criminal can legally defend himself without repercussion...., which again i thought was below you...and you can also google waco. 5 years ago you would have said that they got what they deserved. you were not on here defending their decision to kill atf agents, and you were not on here defending thier freedom of religion saying that they can kill government employees "just because"...
anymore, reading your posts i deduce that you are in the 10% that do not support background checks....and that puts you into the lunatic fringe.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don't fear them. They simply need to leave people alone. The much larger problem over someone thinking they are tyrants are the people that think they are here to help us. Ruby ridge was trespassing, Waco was the murder of women and children, and I also believe Christopher Dorner was murdered. I'm sorry that you believe whatever is the "official report". That makes me think you are unreasonable. Question everything. Just because I believe the federal government is a group of tyrants doesn't mean that I want to "take them on". That's weak. Do you really believe that John McCain and Chuck Schumer have YOUR best interests at heart?
As far as the background checks I have made my thoughts known on here, obviously you haven't read them.
We do not have the highest rate of any country by far.......and do you ever see the Statistics on how many crimes--murders, rapes, assaults, robberies--are thwarted by ordinary persons who were fortunate enough to have access to a gun? It cannot be deny that people use guns successfully against criminals.
I have plenty of Family that are military or retired that have fought in wars.....and I am glad you see them as brave...the point I was trying to make....
You are the most armed country in the world by far and as a result... you have the most homicides by gun by far. This correlation is logical and not very difficult to comprehend.
Again, one could argue that these statistics could suggest that guns are a threat to homeland security considering the bloated number of homicides do not even include the number of accidental deaths such as the most recent one we read of and discussed on this forum (6 year old shoots 4 year old).
As for your assertion that people often come to the rescue with their guns... why don't you post these statistics so I may consider them? You're not just exercising a hunch are you? You were speaking from fact?
I fully respect all that have served. I see you never included yourself in that list of brave people... the point I was trying to make.
If the left would post them I would send a link but they will not and those are the only links the ones on this site believe. I suggest everyone should look at as much information that is available.
I will be the brave if need be. Will you?
Do people really believe they can stop accidents?
I think background checks are okay but not universal checks. I don't think it is any other countries business what Americans do. What I worry about is what the limitation will be. Will some one taking 20 mg of an antidepressant be considered dangerous or will it be 300 mg that make a person dangerous? There are some antidepressants that help women with hot flashes. Will that person be considered dangerous? How about women that have just given birth? Will she be considered dangerous seeing she has a high chance of having Postpartum depression . How crazy does one have to be to have there rights taken away? Who is going to be the judge on that? will we elect this person or persons or will they be appointed?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
We do not have the highest rate of any country by far.......and do you ever see the Statistics on how many crimes--murders, rapes, assaults, robberies--are thwarted by ordinary persons who were fortunate enough to have access to a gun? It cannot be deny that people use guns successfully against criminals.
I have plenty of Family that are military or retired that have fought in wars.....and I am glad you see them as brave...the point I was trying to make....
You are the most armed country in the world by far and as a result... you have the most homicides by gun by far. This correlation is logical and not very difficult to comprehend.
Again, one could argue that these statistics could suggest that guns are a threat to homeland security considering the bloated number of homicides do not even include the number of accidental deaths such as the most recent one we read of and discussed on this forum (6 year old shoots 4 year old).
As for your assertion that people often come to the rescue with their guns... why don't you post these statistics so I may consider them? You're not just exercising a hunch are you? You were speaking from fact?
I fully respect all that have served. I see you never included yourself in that list of brave people... the point I was trying to make.
If the left would post them I would send a link but they will not and those are the only links the ones on this site believe. I suggest everyone should look at as much information that is available.
I will be the brave if need be. Will you?
Do people really believe they can stop accidents?
I think background checks are okay but not universal checks. I don't think it is any other countries business what Americans do. What I worry about is what the limitation will be. Will some one taking 20 mg of an antidepressant be considered dangerous or will it be 300 mg that make a person dangerous? There are some antidepressants that help women with hot flashes. Will that person be considered dangerous? How about women that have just given birth? Will she be considered dangerous seeing she has a high chance of having Postpartum depression . How crazy does one have to be to have there rights taken away? Who is going to be the judge on that? will we elect this person or persons or will they be appointed?
As the world evolves... we can set limits by trial and error: we do not have all the answers or the fomula for a perfect life established yet. This is why we need to embrace change when it is necessary. Over 12,000 gun deaths per year in your country demands some form of reform... dont you think?
If only the left would post the statistics? Come on, man... seriously... geez- you're getting kookier by the post. Why doesn't the right post these statistics you claim are there if this is about a left and right thing. These statistics would seem to be the NRA's best friend: if they are there I'm sure they would be documented.
I'll concede there are occasions when people defend themselves from intruders at their homes; therefore, it is a good idea to have a shotgun if home defence is something you desire. I'm not going to concede that armed people cruising about and doing their daily business have prevented tragedies from unfolding to any significant degree.
And in typical narcissistic fashion... you claim no other country has any business in what the USA is doing. That's like saying you have no business in what Mexico (or Canada) is doing. Or for that matter... Iraq or Vietnam. Your leniant gun laws trickle weapons north and some of our 'bad guys' are in possession of them. Here's the thing though: bad guys normally shoot other bad guys. The unarmed faction of Canada does not face daily peril at the hands of armed and dangerous criminals; nor have they needed to thwart the effort of tyranny. Interesting, eh?
Your paranoid delusions that serve as the staple argument for guns is ridiculous, but let's stop discussing this: my forehead hurts from pounding it on my table. You are never going to change and don't- the world needs all types.
I posted many on this thread where guns came to the rescue. Could post many,many more. They just get ignored and then I get blamed for ignoring the real issue :roll:
Oh my God. Please tell me you three are not serious. Are you serious? Maybe you just watched Red Dawn and you're all excited or something? You can't be serious. You must be saying such stuff for argument's sake.
I should be able to say whatever the fuck I want whereever the fuck I want. Like yelling fire in a crowed theater. It IS afetr all our first and foremost RIGHT.
Further, I believe every country on earth should have ready access to nuclear weapons, we have them, why shouldnt others?
Someone mentioned that people in other countries shouldnt say anything about what goes on here, well when The US stays the fuck home, then I would agree with that sentiment. But when we stick our nose in places where it doesnt really belong then, speak your mind.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Oh my God. Please tell me you three are not serious. Are you serious? Maybe you just watched Red Dawn and you're all excited or something? You can't be serious. You must be saying such stuff for argument's sake.
Wow. Thanks for that elaborate, well educated, over-informed comment. :roll:
Oh my God. Please tell me you three are not serious. Are you serious? Maybe you just watched Red Dawn and you're all excited or something? You can't be serious. You must be saying such stuff for argument's sake.
Wow. Thanks for that elaborate, well educated, over-informed comment. :roll:
Listen... I've given you dozens of well-written and fact based posts (as have other good, knowledgeable, and well-written people). You ignore the obvious just as you'd look past a 3 inch boil on the end of your nose. There is no talking logic and common sense to you- you're blind to your beliefs.
I also asked if you felt compromised a little while ago and you never answered. You spout off about God and religion and how all those that don't get on their knees and pray to the big guy are not going to get to live in the Kingdom... but then you talk about machine guns and what is essentially anarchy. Don't you think this is a little conflicting? God, machine guns and armed conflict?
I suppose it isn't come to think of it. Christianity is bathed in blood... why would this religion ever change its deep-rooted mentality?
Oh my God. Please tell me you three are not serious. Are you serious? Maybe you just watched Red Dawn and you're all excited or something? You can't be serious. You must be saying such stuff for argument's sake.
Wow. Thanks for that elaborate, well educated, over-informed comment. :roll:
ya mean, kinda like this one, left on this same page? :roll:
I love how here they will say that nobody wants to take your guns but when you show them actual pending legislation then they say oh well they should.
I will NEVER turn my private property in willingly.
over simplification. no one is suggesting taking away your hunting rifles or handguns. and you know that. don't post statements like this simply for dramatic effect.
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Oh my God. Please tell me you three are not serious. Are you serious? Maybe you just watched Red Dawn and you're all excited or something? You can't be serious. You must be saying such stuff for argument's sake.
Wow. Thanks for that elaborate, well educated, over-informed comment. :roll:
Listen... I've given you dozens of well-written and fact based posts (as have other good, knowledgeable, and well-written people). You ignore the obvious just as you'd look past a 3 inch boil on the end of your nose. There is no talking logic and common sense to you- you're blind to your beliefs.
I also asked if you felt compromised a little while ago and you never answered. You spout off about God and religion and how all those that don't get on their knees and pray to the big guy are not going to get to live in the Kingdom... but then you talk about machine guns and what is essentially anarchy. Don't you think this is a little conflicting? God, machine guns and armed conflict?
I suppose it isn't come to think of it. Christianity is bathed in blood... why would this religion ever change its deep-rooted mentality?
No credible arguement for the video that I posted so you turn to ridicule, religion, and your so called "talking logic". So if I don't see things like you do, i'm simply ignoring issues and common sense? Which by the way, a progressive liberal has no right using the term common sense. After all, you're all about political correctness, which is the complete opposite. But that would be another Thread I suppose.
I believe in God. I've never told anyone they need to get on their knees and pray. I don't get on my knees and pray, why would I point fingers at people that don't either? I said if someone doesn't BELIEVE....they may have to answer to that someday. Also, i've never talked about anarchy, unless you're talking about the comment I made about someday, some generation, may have to stand up against the government. I guess maybe you could call that anarchy against the government, but don't make it sound like I want a nation with no laws(LMAO). As far as having a machine gun...I don't even own one. I have a 30-6 (field hunting), a 12 gauge (for in the brush) and a 9mm (for any sorry mother fucker that breaks into my home). I feel like it's all I need. But if I wanted a machine gun, which i'm assuming you're talking about the semi automatic AR's like the AK-47 or the AR-15 with a 30 round clip, I think I should be able to have one. As well as my neighbor, or Pandora, or Unsung or whoever else the fuck wants one. Why do Progressives always have to assume they know whats best for everyone. I only have one request, just stay out of my life and don't worry about what I have in my home. It's nobodys damn business. And this logic that if you take away AR's or 30 round clips is going to keep them out of the hands of gangs and criminals is ridiculous. And stop accusing everyone that doesn't agree with you that they refuse to see the logic, or accusing them of being blind to their beleiefs. Everyone on the right could say the exact same thing about people on the left...but we're not that damn arrogant. Please stop putting words in my mouth and assuming you know me.
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Just another day in the wild west of the United States , fuck shopping at malls or going to school everything should be done at home Teach your kids at home and shop on line :P ..
Have you ever heard of Americans dying for Freedom? It is called bravery or heroes. We still have them in this country. Americans will stand up for there rights. That is the reason the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution was written. There will be a civil war if things keep heading in the direction they are going in. As they say Freedom is not Free.
Then there will be those that are in love with there things and all the conveniences we have now. Those that will sellout there family and friends those that are scared and have no courage. There death will have no meaning and maybe rejoiced by some. These are the same cowards that believe the Constitution is a "living document" that protects things like email, cell phone calls and text messages but think that the 2nd Amendment only protects our right to own Muskets.
Do you believe people should fight for there freedom if necessary? If the government came to get your law abiding neighbors guns would you take a stand for him? Do you think he would have the right to shoot? That is what is going to happen. the media will report it as a crazy person shooting government officials for no reason or they will make up a "reasonable" excuse....will you believe the media?
Obama has already started disarming Veterans.
Elvis has left the building.
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The worthless people you speak of are your fellow countrymen, Aerial. I realize they have opposing views as yourself, but are they less American because they use their freedom to speak against gun violence and seek change to curb it? You can bet your bottom dollar they like freedom as much as you with the exception of the fact that while they enjoy their liberty... they don't want to worry about getting gunned down by a madman or shot by some punk.
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fact is, nobody dies for your "freedom". they die because they are the poor unfortunate souls that get selected to go fight a war of choice on foreign land and they are flippantly put there by old men to protect and procure corporate interests. these same men are the ones that never fought for anything in their life other than to change the rules and laws to preserve their own wealth and to keep others poor. it has nothing to do with your "freedom", or your "liberty", or your "rights", or your "living document" :roll:
you might view a person who shoots at fbi agents and atf agents as some sort of stupid "folk hero", but they are nothing more than traitors.
regarding muskets and the 2nd amendment, i ask you to find an example of a single person carrying out a massacre with a musket, or any other single shot weapon that was around at the time that that document was drafted. i will just save you some time, because you won't find it because it never fucking happened. they did not even have revolvers until the mid 1800s. these single person massacres did not start happening until the dawn of large capacity magazines and semiautomatic guns getting into the hands of the general public in the 1960s and 70s..
and i believe that it an exercise in futility for someone to use firepower and force to fight for anything against the government and it's military. you might have an ar 15, but the government will bring in a tank, or a howitzer, or a drone, and they will kill you if they want to. you will live if they allow you to. you will get due process if they allow you to.
and to be honest, aside from glen beck's website, i have not seen any credible stories of obama confiscating guns from vets that has not already been debunked by credible fact checkers. forgive me if i don't believe you, but i see the links you post, and none of them have convinced me of anything other than the fact that they were written by paranoid right wing extremists.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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I cannot claim to understand your brand of paranoia, so I guess I don't have much to say about all that.
Who can Guarantee that your not going to run into some madman or punk? But if a person is allowed to defend there selves they may have a chance. I ask again, why aren't people spending more time on solving the problem we have with punks and madmen?
They may like freedom as much as the rest but are they ready to defend freedom? If you can't do that you are less of an American.
I am not advocating anything. We are the government and we are responsible for the Freedom we keep. People do join the military to defend this country. Statistics show a surge of recruits after 911 also after Pearl Harbor. To most it has everything to do with our "freedom", or our "liberty", or our "rights", and our "living document". That said I do believe most wars are STARTED by people that would never go and fight or send there family members there. I also believe it should stop.
They may like freedom as much as the rest but are they ready to defend freedom? If you can't do that you are less of an American. (Aerial)
Nobody can guarantee that you are not going to run into a madman or a punk. How many times can you recall when someone has run into a madman or a punk that thye have had their gun with them to give themselves a chance?
Every country has problems with madmen and punks- the difference is that your country's leniant gun policies allow these types to easily arm themselves and express their rage in dramatic and violent fashion. I won't even talk about all the accidental gun deaths that also proliferate the news on a daily basis.
One could easily argue that you are less of an American than those you dimiss. Think about it this way: how real is the threat of the unbelievable amount of guns your country has lying around to the average citizen compared to the ridiculously paranoid notion of the government waiting to attack you? By choosing to ignore the real threat that your country faces on a daily basis- over 10,000 gun deaths per year (the highest rate of any country by far)- you are neglecting your responsibility as a democratic citizen to paticipate in the obvious change effort intended to curb the violence.
If you have served your country, I wish to tip my cap to you and acknowledge true bravery. But if you are just an average joe who has never truly lived life between the crosshairs... you probably shouldn't be speaking for the brave- just like I certainly shouldn't.
Your irrational fears are just that: irrational. It's really hard to take seriously: if people actually believe that the government they have elected is an authentic threat... geez.
We do not have the highest rate of any country by far.......and do you ever see the Statistics on how many crimes--murders, rapes, assaults, robberies--are thwarted by ordinary persons who were fortunate enough to have access to a gun? It cannot be deny that people use guns successfully against criminals.
I have plenty of Family that are military or retired that have fought in wars.....and I am glad you see them as brave...the point I was trying to make....
You are the most armed country in the world by far and as a result... you have the most homicides by gun by far. This correlation is logical and not very difficult to comprehend.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... world-list
Again, one could argue that these statistics could suggest that guns are a threat to homeland security considering the bloated number of homicides do not even include the number of accidental deaths such as the most recent one we read of and discussed on this forum (6 year old shoots 4 year old).
As for your assertion that people often come to the rescue with their guns... why don't you post these statistics so I may consider them? You're not just exercising a hunch are you? You were speaking from fact?
I fully respect all that have served. I see you never included yourself in that list of brave people... the point I was trying to make.
We know. One only needs to Google Kent St, Ruby Ridge, and Waco. The government has purchased over one billion hollow point rounds and a-holes like the Chicago Police Superintendant have said that civilians in Illinois that concealed carry will be shot by cops because the police won't be prepared or trained for those that wish to defend themselves.
But no, nothing could possibly go wrong. Fucking tyrants.
is the federal government really a group of tyrants???? honestly??? would you really risk the well being of your wife and kids to take on the federal government???
man, i lament the loss of the old days, when you were once a reasonable person... i used to sit at my keyboard and wait to read your replies because they were reasonable and intelligent and worth reading. i don't know what has changed in the last 10 years, but something is terribly wrong.
you can google kent state and learn that those victims did nothing wrong and they were murdered as a result. you can google ruby ridge and read about it and realize that the government was within its power to act, or you can hold it up as some sort of right wing rallying point that this repressive government can not attack a criminal with a gun, and that that criminal can legally defend himself without repercussion...., which again i thought was below you...and you can also google waco. 5 years ago you would have said that they got what they deserved. you were not on here defending their decision to kill atf agents, and you were not on here defending thier freedom of religion saying that they can kill government employees "just because"...
anymore, reading your posts i deduce that you are in the 10% that do not support background checks....and that puts you into the lunatic fringe.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't fear them. They simply need to leave people alone. The much larger problem over someone thinking they are tyrants are the people that think they are here to help us. Ruby ridge was trespassing, Waco was the murder of women and children, and I also believe Christopher Dorner was murdered. I'm sorry that you believe whatever is the "official report". That makes me think you are unreasonable. Question everything. Just because I believe the federal government is a group of tyrants doesn't mean that I want to "take them on". That's weak. Do you really believe that John McCain and Chuck Schumer have YOUR best interests at heart?
As far as the background checks I have made my thoughts known on here, obviously you haven't read them.
If the left would post them I would send a link but they will not and those are the only links the ones on this site believe. I suggest everyone should look at as much information that is available.
I will be the brave if need be. Will you?
Do people really believe they can stop accidents?
I think background checks are okay but not universal checks. I don't think it is any other countries business what Americans do. What I worry about is what the limitation will be. Will some one taking 20 mg of an antidepressant be considered dangerous or will it be 300 mg that make a person dangerous? There are some antidepressants that help women with hot flashes. Will that person be considered dangerous? How about women that have just given birth? Will she be considered dangerous seeing she has a high chance of having Postpartum depression . How crazy does one have to be to have there rights taken away? Who is going to be the judge on that? will we elect this person or persons or will they be appointed?
As the world evolves... we can set limits by trial and error: we do not have all the answers or the fomula for a perfect life established yet. This is why we need to embrace change when it is necessary. Over 12,000 gun deaths per year in your country demands some form of reform... dont you think?
If only the left would post the statistics? Come on, man... seriously... geez- you're getting kookier by the post. Why doesn't the right post these statistics you claim are there if this is about a left and right thing. These statistics would seem to be the NRA's best friend: if they are there I'm sure they would be documented.
I'll concede there are occasions when people defend themselves from intruders at their homes; therefore, it is a good idea to have a shotgun if home defence is something you desire. I'm not going to concede that armed people cruising about and doing their daily business have prevented tragedies from unfolding to any significant degree.
And in typical narcissistic fashion... you claim no other country has any business in what the USA is doing. That's like saying you have no business in what Mexico (or Canada) is doing. Or for that matter... Iraq or Vietnam. Your leniant gun laws trickle weapons north and some of our 'bad guys' are in possession of them. Here's the thing though: bad guys normally shoot other bad guys. The unarmed faction of Canada does not face daily peril at the hands of armed and dangerous criminals; nor have they needed to thwart the effort of tyranny. Interesting, eh?
Your paranoid delusions that serve as the staple argument for guns is ridiculous, but let's stop discussing this: my forehead hurts from pounding it on my table. You are never going to change and don't- the world needs all types.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LwGna ... r_embedded
I love how all the progressive liberals in the crowd cheer when he says there is no gun band....then cheer again when he says there will be shortly.
Such sheeple.
I will NEVER turn my private property in willingly.
Further, I believe every country on earth should have ready access to nuclear weapons, we have them, why shouldnt others?
Someone mentioned that people in other countries shouldnt say anything about what goes on here, well when The US stays the fuck home, then I would agree with that sentiment. But when we stick our nose in places where it doesnt really belong then, speak your mind.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Wow. Thanks for that elaborate, well educated, over-informed comment. :roll:
Listen... I've given you dozens of well-written and fact based posts (as have other good, knowledgeable, and well-written people). You ignore the obvious just as you'd look past a 3 inch boil on the end of your nose. There is no talking logic and common sense to you- you're blind to your beliefs.
I also asked if you felt compromised a little while ago and you never answered. You spout off about God and religion and how all those that don't get on their knees and pray to the big guy are not going to get to live in the Kingdom... but then you talk about machine guns and what is essentially anarchy. Don't you think this is a little conflicting? God, machine guns and armed conflict?
I suppose it isn't come to think of it. Christianity is bathed in blood... why would this religion ever change its deep-rooted mentality?
ya mean, kinda like this one, left on this same page? :roll:
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Winnipeg 2005
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St. Paul 2014
over simplification. no one is suggesting taking away your hunting rifles or handguns. and you know that. don't post statements like this simply for dramatic effect.
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Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
My dramatic effect follows:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... nning.html
No credible arguement for the video that I posted so you turn to ridicule, religion, and your so called "talking logic". So if I don't see things like you do, i'm simply ignoring issues and common sense? Which by the way, a progressive liberal has no right using the term common sense. After all, you're all about political correctness, which is the complete opposite. But that would be another Thread I suppose.
I believe in God. I've never told anyone they need to get on their knees and pray. I don't get on my knees and pray, why would I point fingers at people that don't either? I said if someone doesn't BELIEVE....they may have to answer to that someday. Also, i've never talked about anarchy, unless you're talking about the comment I made about someday, some generation, may have to stand up against the government. I guess maybe you could call that anarchy against the government, but don't make it sound like I want a nation with no laws(LMAO). As far as having a machine gun...I don't even own one. I have a 30-6 (field hunting), a 12 gauge (for in the brush) and a 9mm (for any sorry mother fucker that breaks into my home). I feel like it's all I need. But if I wanted a machine gun, which i'm assuming you're talking about the semi automatic AR's like the AK-47 or the AR-15 with a 30 round clip, I think I should be able to have one. As well as my neighbor, or Pandora, or Unsung or whoever else the fuck wants one. Why do Progressives always have to assume they know whats best for everyone. I only have one request, just stay out of my life and don't worry about what I have in my home. It's nobodys damn business. And this logic that if you take away AR's or 30 round clips is going to keep them out of the hands of gangs and criminals is ridiculous. And stop accusing everyone that doesn't agree with you that they refuse to see the logic, or accusing them of being blind to their beleiefs. Everyone on the right could say the exact same thing about people on the left...but we're not that damn arrogant. Please stop putting words in my mouth and assuming you know me.