No ma'am, I won't register my guns

JonnyPistachio

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

What is the purpose of registering guns again? What is thought to be accomplished here?
Is it so the government knows who has a gun and who doesn't? Can this information
be made public? How did that info get out there for the world to see?

We know the people who are living violent lives, criminals, won't register their guns.
I am more in favor of the local permit laws which already exist.

It is very useful information for police investigations. Also, I think it would be useful and would make me feel more comfortable to have it on record when people are collecting huge numbers of firearms, and what kinds, because just because someone is registering their gun, doesn't mean they are responsible, law abiding people (if they are, wonderful - nothing for them or anyone else to worry about). And for criminals who wouldn't register, many crimes are committed with stolen or sold guns. If they can find the original owner of the gun used in a crime, they may be able to connect the dots and find the criminal... or the ones who got the weapon to the criminal. I can think of many reasons why registering guns could come in handy, but no reasons as to why they shouldn't be registered.

exactly what I was thinking. Also, its possible the semi-responsible gun owner might become a little more responsible if there are implications surrounding criminals getting their hands on his gun.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

JonnyPistachio wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

What is the purpose of registering guns again? What is thought to be accomplished here?
Is it so the government knows who has a gun and who doesn't? Can this information
be made public? How did that info get out there for the world to see?

We know the people who are living violent lives, criminals, won't register their guns.
I am more in favor of the local permit laws which already exist.

It is very useful information for police investigations. Also, I think it would be useful and would make me feel more comfortable to have it on record when people are collecting huge numbers of firearms, and what kinds, because just because someone is registering their gun, doesn't mean they are responsible, law abiding people (if they are, wonderful - nothing for them or anyone else to worry about). And for criminals who wouldn't register, many crimes are committed with stolen or sold guns. If they can find the original owner of the gun used in a crime, they may be able to connect the dots and find the criminal... or the ones who got the weapon to the criminal. I can think of many reasons why registering guns could come in handy, but no reasons as to why they shouldn't be registered.

exactly what I was thinking. Also, its possible the semi-responsible gun owner might become a little more responsible if there are implications surrounding criminals getting their hands on his gun.

exactly. no harm, no foul. only good comes from it. except for all the nuts who think the government knowing who's stockpiling an arsenal is a bad thing.

gimmesometruth27

these are guns that were around at the drafting of the 2nd amendment. these are the "arms" they were referring to. how many massacres were committed by one person using these guns?

JimmyV

gimmesometruth27

JimmyV wrote:

one looks to me to be a noble man, while one looks to be like a complete nut.

pandora

Not so keen on registration.
Meanwhile, let’s ensure that every gun owner votes for gun rights this year
and the next. We are protecting our rights of the future. Gun bans and gun confiscation
is the real deal.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

I can identify with your last words here and agree...
It is totally asinine and self-serving to suggest removing people's rights
most especially in other people's countries.
I also agree that the founding fathers would be slapping their heads
at those who think they would be slapping their heads for creating our constitution
with the forethought to last hundreds of years for the same reasons it was created so long ago.
I'm sure you'd be getting a great big wtf You are certainly cut from different cloth then they,
than Americans who value their rights.

Some of the assumptions and outrageous insults by people not within our borders
leaves me quite sure we are again at what you can not understand you fear.
You can not understand why we want, need and enjoy our gun rights
whether we choose to own a gun or not.
If you did you would not entertain taking them away. Same goes for our dogs :?
Both are here to stay.

any decent human being's caring nature doesn't end at an imaginary geographical line. we are all human. I care about all of them, which means dangerous American gun (non)policy is a concern to everyone, not just those within its borders.

AND I have family in the US.

you are calling those who wish to regulate guns fearful? Um, I think that's a direct contradiction of every reason you've ever given for wanting to have gun protection.

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

I can identify with your last words here and agree...
It is totally asinine and self-serving to suggest removing people's rights
most especially in other people's countries.
I also agree that the founding fathers would be slapping their heads
at those who think they would be slapping their heads for creating our constitution
with the forethought to last hundreds of years for the same reasons it was created so long ago.
I'm sure you'd be getting a great big wtf You are certainly cut from different cloth then they,
than Americans who value their rights.

Some of the assumptions and outrageous insults by people not within our borders
leaves me quite sure we are again at what you can not understand you fear.
You can not understand why we want, need and enjoy our gun rights
whether we choose to own a gun or not.
If you did you would not entertain taking them away. Same goes for our dogs :?
Both are here to stay.

any decent human being's caring nature doesn't end at an imaginary geographical line. we are all human. I care about all of them, which means dangerous American gun (non)policy is a concern to everyone, not just those within its borders.

AND I have family in the US.

you are calling those who wish to regulate guns fearful? Um, I think that's a direct contradiction of every reason you've ever given for wanting to have gun protection.

Yes, and also, It's also a concern for Canadians because our own laws and policies are influenced by US ones, and we share a massive, largely unprotected border that people can carry guns across. I think sometimes certain people try for the "you're not American so what you say is irrelevant" because sometimes Canadians are just making point that really can't be argued with.
And er, yeah... Pandora, all of your support for no regulation seems to be based namely on your fear. So definitely a strange comment for you to make.

mickeyrat

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't see how registering your guns goes against any constitutional right at all.

registering weapons would serve to make the intial owner liable for any acts commited with said weapon. As it should be, in my opinion.

Take reasonable steps to secure your weapons, if they get stolen, perhaps civially liable.
If you choose to give ready access to ANYONE other than yourself through lax securement and a crime is commited? In my opinion , you are as equally culpable as the person pulling the trigger and as such should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

That is why I believe there should be universal backround checks and registration of all firearms held in possession now and in the future.

PJ_Soul

mickeyrat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't see how registering your guns goes against any constitutional right at all.

registering weapons would serve to make the intial owner liable for any acts commited with said weapon. As it should be, in my opinion.

Take reasonable steps to secure your weapons, if they get stolen, perhaps civially liable.
If you choose to give ready access to ANYONE other than yourself through lax securement and a crime is commited? In my opinion , you are as equally culpable as the person pulling the trigger and as such should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

That is why I believe there should be universal backround checks and registration of all firearms held in possession now and in the future.

Agreed. And none of those expectations violates anyone's rights under the constitution as far as I can tell.

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't see how registering your guns goes against any constitutional right at all.

registering weapons would serve to make the intial owner liable for any acts commited with said weapon. As it should be, in my opinion.

Take reasonable steps to secure your weapons, if they get stolen, perhaps civially liable.
If you choose to give ready access to ANYONE other than yourself through lax securement and a crime is commited? In my opinion , you are as equally culpable as the person pulling the trigger and as such should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

That is why I believe there should be universal backround checks and registration of all firearms held in possession now and in the future.

come on now mickeyrat. we can't do any of this because doing so would just make too much sense.

gimmesometruth27

people are asking "why we don't catch these people before they can do these crazy acts??"

the only alternative i can think of is mandatory mental health screenings for every kid before entering high school to look for mental illness or the predisposing factors, but i know that the republicans and the nra will oppose that, so might as well not even mention it and just leave everything as is.

PJ_Soul

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

people are asking "why we don't catch these people before they can do these crazy acts??"

the only alternative i can think of is mandatory mental health screenings for every kid before entering high school to look for mental illness or the predisposing factors, but i know that the republicans and the nra will oppose that, so might as well not even mention it and just leave everything as is.

The problems that doing this would solve are many, and not just as it relates to gun ownership. I think it's a great idea. It would probably advance the public perception around mental health by light years.

gimmesometruth27

PJ_Soul wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

people are asking "why we don't catch these people before they can do these crazy acts??"

the only alternative i can think of is mandatory mental health screenings for every kid before entering high school to look for mental illness or the predisposing factors, but i know that the republicans and the nra will oppose that, so might as well not even mention it and just leave everything as is.

The problems that doing this would solve are many, and not just as it relates to gun ownership. I think it's a great idea. It would probably advance the public perception around mental health by light years.

plus this gun thing is a societal problem, and society needs to come together to solve it. if we can not ban the guns, we need to screen the people.

pandora

One more time... self reliance and preparedness is something you won't regret.
Don't be afraid to hold a gun and protect yourself, I understand...
then vote for others to have that same right to self reliance and preparedness.

And if you ever get a chance give a dog a bone make a friend.

kudos on the mental illness screenings but we all know there were warnings
and family members who tried to get this young man help... same age group same profile.

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

One more time... self reliance and preparedness is something you won't regret.
Don't be afraid to hold a gun and protect yourself, I understand...
then vote for others to have that same right to self reliance and preparedness.

And if you ever get a chance give a dog a bone make a friend.

kudos on the mental illness screenings but we all know there were warnings
and family members who tried to get this young man help... same age group same profile.

YOU understand: I AM self-reliant and prepared. WITHOUT a gun. Wtf are you talking about anyway? You don't even HAVE a gun... right?

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

One more time... self reliance and preparedness is something you won't regret.
Don't be afraid to hold a gun and protect yourself, I understand...
then vote for others to have that same right to self reliance and preparedness.

And if you ever get a chance give a dog a bone make a friend.

kudos on the mental illness screenings but we all know there were warnings
and family members who tried to get this young man help... same age group same profile.

YOU understand: I AM self-reliant and prepared. WITHOUT a gun. Wtf are you talking about anyway? You don't even HAVE a gun... right?

wrong

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

One more time... self reliance and preparedness is something you won't regret.
Don't be afraid to hold a gun and protect yourself, I understand...
then vote for others to have that same right to self reliance and preparedness.

And if you ever get a chance give a dog a bone make a friend.

kudos on the mental illness screenings but we all know there were warnings
and family members who tried to get this young man help... same age group same profile.

YOU understand: I AM self-reliant and prepared. WITHOUT a gun. Wtf are you talking about anyway? You don't even HAVE a gun... right?

wrong

That's what I thought. Finally you admit it.

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

YOU understand: I AM self-reliant and prepared. WITHOUT a gun. Wtf are you talking about anyway? You don't even HAVE a gun... right?

wrong

That's what I thought. Finally you admit it.

suspicious minds ... recently I have trained

catefrances

as far as im concerned if you want to take advantage of the 2nd amendment then you should be responsible enough to register your weapons. whats the big deal anyway. you register your car and your dog cause youre a responsible car owner and responsible dog owner.. heck you even register as a parent when you register the birth of your child/ren... so whats the difference when it comes to guns???