Guns.

gimmesometruth27

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

additionally, trump brags about everything. i won by a landslide, by the greatest margin ever. no he didn't. i now have the tallest building in manhattan. that was true, but no sane person would have said that on 9/11. we would hear about it all the time that he is here due to divine providence because god miraculously spared his life. we don't hear anything like this from him.

what is the best way to cover something up?

avoid releasing evidence, and stop talking about it completely and it will go away. this is textbook how to handle a big lie.

So why go through this elaborate setup just to let it fade away and not talk about it? The risk/reward ratio doesn't match up if the plan is to just let it fade away. 

He/they don't care about risk reward or follow up. As long as their ignorant brainwashed supporters believe the bs and continue to support and donate they don't care.

So it doesn't matter? If there was actual evidence of a staged assassination, Biden would have just ignored it too?
If there was any proof whatsoever of a stage, it would have been the end of Trump, and probably the Republican Party. So the risk/reward wouldn't have been worth it. Consider all the people who would have had to go along with it, the risk would have been pretty high. And Biden never would have let it go (rightfully so) if any evidence supporting these theories surfaced. It's not just about brainwashing the right. 
I'm actually pretty shocked there are multiple people here who still believe this conspiracy theory. 

dude you give trump the benefit of the doubt at every turn. everything he does is for show. everything he does is for attention. everything he does is out of spite or grievance, or for his personal gain. he has lied to you 90,000 times. why would anybody take him at his word for anything at this point?

yet here we are. the biggest showman ever to hold the presidency, yet a staged assassination attempt is beyond the realm of possibility? the security response letting him stand up like that and yell fight fight fight for the crowd and most importantly the camera? do you really think the most hated man in america would be surrounded by that incompetent of a security team? the only way that would happen is if they knew they would not get paid. but nobody lets an assassination target stand up like that out in the open when they do not know if the shooter is still at large or not.

i don't buy it, and i am not going to buy it.

mace1229

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

additionally, trump brags about everything. i won by a landslide, by the greatest margin ever. no he didn't. i now have the tallest building in manhattan. that was true, but no sane person would have said that on 9/11. we would hear about it all the time that he is here due to divine providence because god miraculously spared his life. we don't hear anything like this from him.

what is the best way to cover something up?

avoid releasing evidence, and stop talking about it completely and it will go away. this is textbook how to handle a big lie.

So why go through this elaborate setup just to let it fade away and not talk about it? The risk/reward ratio doesn't match up if the plan is to just let it fade away. 

He/they don't care about risk reward or follow up. As long as their ignorant brainwashed supporters believe the bs and continue to support and donate they don't care.

So it doesn't matter? If there was actual evidence of a staged assassination, Biden would have just ignored it too?
If there was any proof whatsoever of a stage, it would have been the end of Trump, and probably the Republican Party. So the risk/reward wouldn't have been worth it. Consider all the people who would have had to go along with it, the risk would have been pretty high. And Biden never would have let it go (rightfully so) if any evidence supporting these theories surfaced. It's not just about brainwashing the right. 
I'm actually pretty shocked there are multiple people here who still believe this conspiracy theory. 

dude you give trump the benefit of the doubt at every turn. everything he does is for show. everything he does is for attention. everything he does is out of spite or grievance, or for his personal gain. he has lied to you 90,000 times. why would anybody take him at his word for anything at this point?

yet here we are. the biggest showman ever to hold the presidency, yet a staged assassination attempt is beyond the realm of possibility? the security response letting him stand up like that and yell fight fight fight for the crowd and most importantly the camera? do you really think the most hated man in america would be surrounded by that incompetent of a security team? the only way that would happen is if they knew they would not get paid. but nobody lets an assassination target stand up like that out in the open when they do not know if the shooter is still at large or not.

i don't buy it, and i am not going to buy it.

I don't disagree with that first part. I think making that coin for a cash grab was pathetic and embarrassing. And the trump whiskey, etc. I don't think there's been another president that exploits his position for a cheap cash gain as much. And it's embarrassing to be honest.

That still doesn't mean it was staged. And I guess neither of us will be convinced otherwise so we'll move on.

Tim Simmons

We've seen how these losers can barely run a government. Trump himself cant even say acetaminophen because it has more than 2 syllables. These dopes aren't pulling off an elaborate fake assassination. 

occum's razor and all that.

Tim Simmons

I mean lots of law enforcement are bad at their jobs everyday all over the country. Secret Service isn't above that. They aren't some elite force. 

Gern Blansten

Tim Simmons said:

I mean lots of law enforcement are bad at their jobs everyday all over the country. Secret Service isn't above that. They aren't some elite force. 

The group at the PA performance was unbelievably bad. Really embarrassing for our country.

I agree that some of the things that happened (i.e. fight/fight/fight, allowing him to stand there, etc.) sure seem suspect. In rewatching it I still can't believe that they didn't immediately take trump to the ground. I'm sure the communication was that the shooter was down but they had no idea if there was possibly another shooter taking aim. 

Then it was just a few weeks later that they arrested the guy at the golf course. Another close one.

Bentleyspop

Gern Blansten said:

There is no doubt that trump org is a master at making money off of tragedy. That's their thing.

Kirk's body was barely cold before they were asking for money. Even his millionaire wife had a gofundme.

Grifters grifting the most griftable among us 

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

additionally, trump brags about everything. i won by a landslide, by the greatest margin ever. no he didn't. i now have the tallest building in manhattan. that was true, but no sane person would have said that on 9/11. we would hear about it all the time that he is here due to divine providence because god miraculously spared his life. we don't hear anything like this from him.

what is the best way to cover something up?

avoid releasing evidence, and stop talking about it completely and it will go away. this is textbook how to handle a big lie.

So why go through this elaborate setup just to let it fade away and not talk about it? The risk/reward ratio doesn't match up if the plan is to just let it fade away. 

He/they don't care about risk reward or follow up. As long as their ignorant brainwashed supporters believe the bs and continue to support and donate they don't care.

So it doesn't matter? If there was actual evidence of a staged assassination, Biden would have just ignored it too?
If there was any proof whatsoever of a stage, it would have been the end of Trump, and probably the Republican Party. So the risk/reward wouldn't have been worth it. Consider all the people who would have had to go along with it, the risk would have been pretty high. And Biden never would have let it go (rightfully so) if any evidence supporting these theories surfaced. It's not just about brainwashing the right. 
I'm actually pretty shocked there are multiple people here who still believe this conspiracy theory. 

dude you give trump the benefit of the doubt at every turn. everything he does is for show. everything he does is for attention. everything he does is out of spite or grievance, or for his personal gain. he has lied to you 90,000 times. why would anybody take him at his word for anything at this point?

yet here we are. the biggest showman ever to hold the presidency, yet a staged assassination attempt is beyond the realm of possibility? the security response letting him stand up like that and yell fight fight fight for the crowd and most importantly the camera? do you really think the most hated man in america would be surrounded by that incompetent of a security team? the only way that would happen is if they knew they would not get paid. but nobody lets an assassination target stand up like that out in the open when they do not know if the shooter is still at large or not.

i don't buy it, and i am not going to buy it.

I don't disagree with that first part. I think making that coin for a cash grab was pathetic and embarrassing. And the trump whiskey, etc. I don't think there's been another president that exploits his position for a cheap cash gain as much. And it's embarrassing to be honest.

That still doesn't mean it was staged. And I guess neither of us will be convinced otherwise so we'll move on.

We haven’t seen it before because running a multi-national business while president violates the Constitution. 

gimmesometruth27

Gern Blansten said:

Tim Simmons said:

I mean lots of law enforcement are bad at their jobs everyday all over the country. Secret Service isn't above that. They aren't some elite force. 

The group at the PA performance was unbelievably bad. Really embarrassing for our country.

I agree that some of the things that happened (i.e. fight/fight/fight, allowing him to stand there, etc.) sure seem suspect. In rewatching it I still can't believe that they didn't immediately take trump to the ground. I'm sure the communication was that the shooter was down but they had no idea if there was possibly another shooter taking aim. 

Then it was just a few weeks later that they arrested the guy at the golf course. Another close one.

that guy got convicted this week and tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen in court. crazy dude.

pdalowsky

We are definitely living in the age where conspiracies are claimed at almost every turn. 

Its amazing how convinced some people are and spend hours and hours trying to prove it or argue about it on the internet. The argument presented above about Trump's attempted assassination being very very difficult, albeit almost impossible to stage due to the amount of people who would have to be in on it and all stay absolutely silent is exactly the one that applies to the screams that 9/11 was an inside job and a government set up to further an agenda in the middle east. Imagine how people would have been involved in such a plan at every level of the food chain and not one person has leaked a thing. Yet people are steadfast in their conviction that the whole thing was bullshit. 

In terms of Charlie - there is a significant amount of chatter online that he isn't dead, it was all staged for effect, etc etc. It made me wonder ...why? why would he want to be a part of that having built himself an impressive platform - one which was gathering momentum ( He was even becoming fairly well known here in the UK), building huge wealth, and some degree of fame. And where the hell would he go? Imagine being alive, and no one is allowed to know. Its all just a bit too bonkers for me.

Gern Blansten

pdalowsky said:

We are definitely living in the age where conspiracies are claimed at almost every turn. 

Its amazing how convinced some people are and spend hours and hours trying to prove it or argue about it on the internet. The argument presented above about Trump's attempted assassination being very very difficult, albeit almost impossible to stage due to the amount of people who would have to be in on it and all stay absolutely silent is exactly the one that applies to the screams that 9/11 was an inside job and a government set up to further an agenda in the middle east. Imagine how people would have been involved in such a plan at every level of the food chain and not one person has leaked a thing. Yet people are steadfast in their conviction that the whole thing was bullshit. 

In terms of Charlie - there is a significant amount of chatter online that he isn't dead, it was all staged for effect, etc etc. It made me wonder ...why? why would he want to be a part of that having built himself an impressive platform - one which was gathering momentum ( He was even becoming fairly well known here in the UK), building huge wealth, and some degree of fame. And where the hell would he go? Imagine being alive, and no one is allowed to know. Its all just a bit too bonkers for me.

Yeah I just saw another theory that Kirk had ordered an audit of TPUSA because he was concerned with some of the donations that were being made. So he was taken out because of that? Insane.

And Candace Owens is going 24/7 on these conspiracies. Shooter was behind him, people near him throwing off hand signals, etc. So stupid.

And....I still see shit on TikTok about 911. Missile hit the Pentagon, no plane wreckage, impossible angle, etc.

benjs

pdalowsky said:

We are definitely living in the age where conspiracies are claimed at almost every turn. 

Its amazing how convinced some people are and spend hours and hours trying to prove it or argue about it on the internet. The argument presented above about Trump's attempted assassination being very very difficult, albeit almost impossible to stage due to the amount of people who would have to be in on it and all stay absolutely silent is exactly the one that applies to the screams that 9/11 was an inside job and a government set up to further an agenda in the middle east. Imagine how people would have been involved in such a plan at every level of the food chain and not one person has leaked a thing. Yet people are steadfast in their conviction that the whole thing was bullshit. 

In terms of Charlie - there is a significant amount of chatter online that he isn't dead, it was all staged for effect, etc etc. It made me wonder ...why? why would he want to be a part of that having built himself an impressive platform - one which was gathering momentum ( He was even becoming fairly well known here in the UK), building huge wealth, and some degree of fame. And where the hell would he go? Imagine being alive, and no one is allowed to know. It’s all just a bit too bonkers for me.

I think part of it is that trust in institutions is probably at an all-time low, and a proliferation of corruption (or at least due to media knowing about more of it) means that conspiracy seems less farfetched.

HughFreakingDillon

I started going down the rabbit hole of it being staged. Why? Cuz I wanted it to be true. Full stop. That attempt on his life, and the immediate aftermath made him look strong. And that POS absolutely does not deserve that. 

He's been a garbage pile of skin his entire life. In one millisecond the world looks upon that picture of his raised fist and thinks "brave" or "hero". He doesn't deserve that. Real heroes don't deserve him to get that. He's a coward. Real brave people don't deserve to see that. He's not a hero for almost getting assassinated. He's not strong for standing up when a group of people tasked with keeping him safe tell him it's safe to stand up. The guy is afraid of a broken escalator. 

If you watch the video there are definitely some weird occurrences. I have zero proof of it being staged, and I have no idea either way. I fully admit what someone else said; how many people would have to be involved in order to pull something like that off without a leak is astronomical. 

But I wish it had been staged, and it was made public. He deserves nothing less than a complete public shaming where his supporters finally understand what a POS he actually is. 

TDS? No. I just don't like shitty people being celebrated. And he's one of the shittiest in public eye in generations.  

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

I started going down the rabbit hole of it being staged. Why? Cuz I wanted it to be true. Full stop. That attempt on his life, and the immediate aftermath made him look strong. And that POS absolutely does not deserve that. 

He's been a garbage pile of skin his entire life. In one millisecond the world looks upon that picture of his raised fist and thinks "brave" or "hero". He doesn't deserve that. Real heroes don't deserve him to get that. He's a coward. Real brave people don't deserve to see that. He's not a hero for almost getting assassinated. He's not strong for standing up when a group of people tasked with keeping him safe tell him it's safe to stand up. The guy is afraid of a broken escalator. 

If you watch the video there are definitely some weird occurrences. I have zero proof of it being staged, and I have no idea either way. I fully admit what someone else said; how many people would have to be involved in order to pull something like that off without a leak is astronomical. 

But I wish it had been staged, and it was made public. He deserves nothing less than a complete public shaming where his supporters finally understand what a POS he actually is. 

TDS? No. I just don't like shitty people being celebrated. And he's one of the shittiest in public eye in generations.  

  * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Never going to happen. Cultists gonna cult. There is no bottom for these folks. None. At. All.

brianlux

dudeman said:

Seldom do I post here anymore but I have to say, this is some of the most ridiculous shit I've read here in a while. 

That's saying a lot, considering recent events. 

Like any thread around here, it's a mixed bag.  But I will say, there are time when I read this thread and ask myself, Why the hell did I start this mess in the first place? 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

I started going down the rabbit hole of it being staged. Why? Cuz I wanted it to be true. Full stop. That attempt on his life, and the immediate aftermath made him look strong. And that POS absolutely does not deserve that. 

He's been a garbage pile of skin his entire life. In one millisecond the world looks upon that picture of his raised fist and thinks "brave" or "hero". He doesn't deserve that. Real heroes don't deserve him to get that. He's a coward. Real brave people don't deserve to see that. He's not a hero for almost getting assassinated. He's not strong for standing up when a group of people tasked with keeping him safe tell him it's safe to stand up. The guy is afraid of a broken escalator. 

If you watch the video there are definitely some weird occurrences. I have zero proof of it being staged, and I have no idea either way. I fully admit what someone else said; how many people would have to be involved in order to pull something like that off without a leak is astronomical. 

But I wish it had been staged, and it was made public. He deserves nothing less than a complete public shaming where his supporters finally understand what a POS he actually is. 

TDS? No. I just don't like shitty people being celebrated. And he's one of the shittiest in public eye in generations.  

I've said before...he might be the greatest actor in history. The way he can spew bullshit unchallenged, use an assassination attempt to sell hats and t-shirts, basically run the country like a dictator with no pushback

Fucking unreal

gimmesometruth27

he stayed in a bunker when people were protesting him. you think he is going to knowingly stand up and risk his head getting turned into a canoe if there is a possible gunman still on the scene?

i have 2 bridges to sell you.

Tim Simmons

adrenaline is a hell of a drug

mace1229

gimmesometruth27 said:

he stayed in a bunker when people were protesting him. you think he is going to knowingly stand up and risk his head getting turned into a canoe if there is a possible gunman still on the scene?

i have 2 bridges to sell you.

That means you bought them first….no thanks.

Tell me how that conversation with the shooter went.
”we’d like you to bring a rifle to this roof top, shoot some innocent guy behind Trump, then the secret service is going to have to kill you obviously. I’d like to thank you for your service in advance. And you’ll be known in history as the villain who tried to assassinate a presidential candidate. But Trump thanks you.”
And the first person they approached, who didn’t happen to have strong known political ties, agreed to it and never thought once “maybe I should tell someone what just happened.”

gimmesometruth27

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

he stayed in a bunker when people were protesting him. you think he is going to knowingly stand up and risk his head getting turned into a canoe if there is a possible gunman still on the scene?

i have 2 bridges to sell you.

That means you bought them first….no thanks.

Tell me how that conversation with the shooter went.
”we’d like you to bring a rifle to this roof top, shoot some innocent guy behind Trump, then the secret service is going to have to kill you obviously. I’d like to thank you for your service in advance. And you’ll be known in history as the villain who tried to assassinate a presidential candidate. But Trump thanks you.”
And the first person they approached, who didn’t happen to have strong known political ties, agreed to it and never thought once “maybe I should tell someone what just happened.”

you RELLY think they would have told him they were going to kill him?

jesus dude. really?

mickeyrat

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

he stayed in a bunker when people were protesting him. you think he is going to knowingly stand up and risk his head getting turned into a canoe if there is a possible gunman still on the scene?

i have 2 bridges to sell you.

That means you bought them first….no thanks.

Tell me how that conversation with the shooter went.
”we’d like you to bring a rifle to this roof top, shoot some innocent guy behind Trump, then the secret service is going to have to kill you obviously. I’d like to thank you for your service in advance. And you’ll be known in history as the villain who tried to assassinate a presidential candidate. But Trump thanks you.”
And the first person they approached, who didn’t happen to have strong known political ties, agreed to it and never thought once “maybe I should tell someone what just happened.”

you RELLY think they would have told him they were going to kill him?

jesus dude. really?

of course. this was and is the most honest and transparent campaign/admin in the history of the world. and there will never be one in the future as honest either....