Guns.

Tim Simmons

I also just saw the clip that got the guy fired. What a totally anodyne thing to can a guy over. yikes.

mrussel1

Tim Simmons said:

I also just saw the clip that got the guy fired. What a totally anodyne thing to can a guy over. yikes.

what guy?

Gern Blansten

Tim Simmons said:

I also just saw the clip that got the guy fired. What a totally anodyne thing to can a guy over. yikes.

Dowd? Yeah it was kind of bullshit

mrussel1

So the thing I always thought was weird about Kirk was his schtick.  Why should I be impressed with a 30 year old man debating college kids?  WTF is that all about?  He does this for a living, he's a grown-ass man, and we were supposed to be impressed by it?  Just strange.  Maybe it was cute when he was 23 but Jesus, if I couldn't beat a 19 year old in a debate, I'd be mortified.  

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

So the thing I always thought was weird about Kirk was his schtick.  Why should I be impressed with a 30 year old man debating college kids?  WTF is that all about?  He does this for a living, he's a grown-ass man, and we were supposed to be impressed by it?  Just strange.  Maybe it was cute when he was 23 but Jesus, if I couldn't beat a 19 year old in a debate, I'd be mortified.  

yeah and when they would get him in a corner he would just spout bullshit and have them yanked

Like Andy Kaufman wrestling women 

Gern Blansten

FBI offering $100K for info on shooter....seems kind of early for that but Bongo & Kash must know what they are doing

Tim Simmons

mrussel1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I also just saw the clip that got the guy fired. What a totally anodyne thing to can a guy over. yikes.

what guy?

Matthew Dowd. 

https://time.com/7316346/matthew-dowd-fired-reports-charlie-kirk-commentary-political-violence/

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

FBI offering $100K for info on shooter....seems kind of early for that but Bongo & Kash must know what they are doing

Let’s not forget that CCOOTWH and Ca$h cancelled or disbanded the FBI division responsible for domestic terrorism and extremist organization surveillance and monitoring and shifted those resources to immigration enforcement. 

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Sounds like they are making progress on the shooter

Rifle found in the woods nearby. Shoe print, palm print found. Looking for a college age person

well that is progress at least. i want to see the images that they say they have on closed circuit tv. normally that is the first thing that comes out in this situation. usually before they apprehend the wrong person, twice.

Wonder why they say college age?  Do they wear different shoes and have different prints?  

I think they have some video of him that hasn't been released yet

Yup, I’d bet on that. I bet they know more than they are sharing for sure. The public, if not in harms way, doesn’t really need to know anything at this point. 

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

Tim Simmons said:

I also just saw the clip that got the guy fired. What a totally anodyne thing to can a guy over. yikes.

Dowd? Yeah it was kind of bullshit

disagree. saying on national tv after a guy gets assassinated "You can’t say these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.". That is deeply irresponsible and you should get fired over that. 

static111

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Tim Simmons said:

I also just saw the clip that got the guy fired. What a totally anodyne thing to can a guy over. yikes.

Dowd? Yeah it was kind of bullshit

disagree. saying on national tv after a guy gets assassinated "You can’t say these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.". That is deeply irresponsible and you should get fired over that. 

Disagree. It even says in their hand book "sew the wind reap the whirlwind"  it's right in their ideology.

Tim Simmons

It was a clunky way to say 'sometimes the things we say have consequences' and hes not wrong. Now we obviously don't know the shooters intentions, and Kirk didn't deserve to die for his beliefs, but he did say and believe inflammatory things. Concluding that it may have upset someone to do this, while premature, is not unreasonable of a conclusion.

mace1229

pdalowsky said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

When I think of that in terms of:
-2 football fields
-elevated
-open air (accounting for wind)
-kill shot target
-single opportunity

Even not knowing much about guns/hunting, that’s a pro. 

To give you some idea from my perspective. I only go target shooting 2-3 times a year, used to be a little more often.
I do a lot of plinking with a .22. I feel pretty confident hitting a bowling pin with my .22 30-40 yards out with just the iron sites. I've only shot a scoped sniper/hunting rifle a couple times and was able to hit small fruit and a matchbox car at that range, maybe al little farther (took a few shots to hit the car).
I wouldn't imagine anyone aiming for the neck, so the shooter was probably a foot off target. At 200 yards, being a foot off target, if he had a good scope and low wind, and good position, I would think an average hunter or average hobbyist with a little experience could make it. But it's not someone who went out and bought his first gun last week. 

Thats crazy, assuming you are right and he was a foot off target the chances of missing the target and hitting someone perfectly in the neck on the jugular must be very slim. 

Thats why you aim for the middle of the torso. 6-8" off target in any direction with a high powered rifle is still likely going to be a kill shot.
If the Butler sniper aimed for the torso instead of the head, we'd probably have a different president right now. He was inexperienced, new to guns, and probably thought snipers always aim for the head and he missed (just barely).

mrussel1

Tim Simmons said:

It was a clunky way to say 'sometimes the things we say have consequences' and hes not wrong. Now we obviously don't know the shooters intentions, and Kirk didn't deserve to die for his beliefs, but he did say and believe inflammatory things. Concluding that it may have upset someone to do this, while premature, is not unreasonable of a conclusion.

I think he exercised poor judgment as to when to make that statement.  If you say it in six months, you probably don't get the heat.  

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Tim Simmons said:

I also just saw the clip that got the guy fired. What a totally anodyne thing to can a guy over. yikes.

Dowd? Yeah it was kind of bullshit

disagree. saying on national tv after a guy gets assassinated "You can’t say these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.". That is deeply irresponsible and you should get fired over that. 

Yeah then trump says that he's going to war against democrats for killing Kirk...no reaction

"if you spit, we will hit" against protestors....no reaction

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

So the thing I always thought was weird about Kirk was his schtick.  Why should I be impressed with a 30 year old man debating college kids?  WTF is that all about?  He does this for a living, he's a grown-ass man, and we were supposed to be impressed by it?  Just strange.  Maybe it was cute when he was 23 but Jesus, if I couldn't beat a 19 year old in a debate, I'd be mortified.  

I think it was even earlier than 23. He started his Turning Point thing when he was 18. Maybe he didn't start going to colleges right away, but he was pretty young when he did. If you had been doing it since you were college age, it's what you were known for and made you millions, would you stop just because you turned 30? Assuming you had no issues with any other part of the program.
Also, I don't think his goal was ever to impress anyone. It was like the Jay-Walking that Leno would do. He takes clips that make young adults look stupid and makes videos of it. Leno was doing it 30 years ago. You just need a YouTube channel instead of a network now. 

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

Tim Simmons said:

I also just saw the clip that got the guy fired. What a totally anodyne thing to can a guy over. yikes.

Dowd? Yeah it was kind of bullshit

disagree. saying on national tv after a guy gets assassinated "You can’t say these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.". That is deeply irresponsible and you should get fired over that. 

Yeah then trump says that he's going to war against democrats for killing Kirk...no reaction

"if you spit, we will hit" against protestors....no reaction

there's reaction, just not from whom you are hoping. 

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

So the thing I always thought was weird about Kirk was his schtick.  Why should I be impressed with a 30 year old man debating college kids?  WTF is that all about?  He does this for a living, he's a grown-ass man, and we were supposed to be impressed by it?  Just strange.  Maybe it was cute when he was 23 but Jesus, if I couldn't beat a 19 year old in a debate, I'd be mortified.  

I think it was even earlier than 23. He started his Turning Point thing when he was 18. Maybe he didn't start going to colleges right away, but he was pretty young when he did. If you had been doing it since you were college age, it's what you were known for and made you millions, would you stop just because you turned 30? Assuming you had no issues with any other part of the program.
Also, I don't think his goal was ever to impress anyone. It was like the Jay-Walking that Leno would do. He takes clips that make young adults look stupid and makes videos of it. Leno was doing it 30 years ago. You just need a YouTube channel instead of a network now. 

Well I’d be embarrassed to debate college kids at 30. But really it was comedy? That’s not true. It was organized and set up to debate, not man on the street, get a few yucks. 

Sure he made money, great.  I thought he was a principled political leader and martyr. 

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

So the thing I always thought was weird about Kirk was his schtick.  Why should I be impressed with a 30 year old man debating college kids?  WTF is that all about?  He does this for a living, he's a grown-ass man, and we were supposed to be impressed by it?  Just strange.  Maybe it was cute when he was 23 but Jesus, if I couldn't beat a 19 year old in a debate, I'd be mortified.  

I think it was even earlier than 23. He started his Turning Point thing when he was 18. Maybe he didn't start going to colleges right away, but he was pretty young when he did. If you had been doing it since you were college age, it's what you were known for and made you millions, would you stop just because you turned 30? Assuming you had no issues with any other part of the program.
Also, I don't think his goal was ever to impress anyone. It was like the Jay-Walking that Leno would do. He takes clips that make young adults look stupid and makes videos of it. Leno was doing it 30 years ago. You just need a YouTube channel instead of a network now. 

Well I’d be embarrassed to debate college kids at 30. But really it was comedy? That’s not true. It was organized and set up to debate, not man on the street, get a few yucks. 

Sure he made money, great.  I thought he was a principled political leader and martyr. 

Maybe not comedy, but the same end goal. To get views. He gets those views by selecting which debates to upload. And some of them are very funny.
Kids line up for hours to debate, but yet we see just several minutes at a time. I don't think he live streams the whole thing does he? He's selective on which ones to publish based on what he thinks will grow his following and get more views, often time picking ones where his opponent just appears dumb, like in the Jay walking segments. 

Spiritual_Chaos