Guns.

Lerxst1992

Tim Simmons said:

You can condemn every shooting and every shooting IS bad, but we can also acknowledge that when it originates from someone from a marginalized community, the torches come out and is used as a reason why that community should be ostracized. And yes thats what happens when its a conservative male, but also, they aren't a marginalized community they just think they are.

Not so fast.


"Yes, some studies and analyses suggest that certain segments of the white male population are facing significant challenges, particularly in economic and social spheres. However, it is a complex issue and not a universal experience for all white men.

Economic and Social Challenges

 * Decline in Traditional Industries: A notable trend is the decline of certain male-dominated industries, such as manufacturing and construction, due to globalization and automation. This has disproportionately affected white men with less formal education, leading to job loss, stagnant wages, and economic distress.

 * Mental Health Concerns: Statistics show a high rate of suicide among certain demographics of white men, particularly older men. This can be linked to feelings of economic insecurity, social isolation, and a societal expectation of "stoic masculinity" that discourages seeking help for mental health issues.

 * Perception of "Victimhood" and Political Polarization: Some analyses suggest that a significant portion of white men feel left behind by societal changes. This can lead to a sense of disillusionment and anger, which has been a driving factor in political polarization. This "white male rage," as it has been called, is often linked to the perception that they are the victims of a changing world.

 * Changing Social Roles: The traditional concept of masculinity, centered on being the primary breadwinner and authority figure, is being challenged by contemporary values that emphasize shared responsibilities and emotional intelligence. This shift can cause confusion and resistance among those who cling to older ideals, leading to a feeling of being at odds with modern society.

Nuances and Context

While these challenges are real, it's important to view them within a broader context. White men as a group continue to have advantages in areas like income, wealth, and career progression compared to other racial and gender groups. For example, studies show that white men still tend to earn more than men of color and all women, and they are more likely to hold on to high-level, well-paying jobs throughout their careers.

The challenges are often concentrated in specific socioeconomic groups, such as the white working class, and are not a reflection of a decline in the overall status of all white men. The conversation around these issues is often framed by discussions of privilege and systemic inequality, which can be a source of frustration for those who are struggling.
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I know..."some" invalidates this. Just like every anecdotal or opinion story posted on amt.

stuckinline

From there, Gowdy insisted that the only thing that could spell relief for the grieving parents was that their children were now up in heaven with their lord and savior.

“The only thing that can give us any modicum of peace at all is that those two children are with the person who loved them the very most, the person who created them, that being Jesus,” he declared. “That is the only thing that can possibly give parents in the future any modicum of peace. Those children are literally with the person who loved them the very most.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/fox-news-minnesota-shooting-children-dead-trey-gowdy-b2815258.html

DE4173

Maybe people don't care enough. 🤷‍♂️

Had to have been more protests against Elon/Tesla for his nazi "salute" than against mass shootings recently.

You'd think people would be in the streets for years.

Oh well. 🙄

Tim Simmons

Until it affects every single American in a close to home way, it won’t change. 

I’m not a pessimistic person, but with this I am. It’s weird the things we hold precious 

Halifax2TheMax

Just another anecdotal or opinion story on ATM.

The Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank that published the blueprint for the second Trump Administration with Project 2025, has an article on its website titled “The Essential Second Amendment.” It begins, “The right to keep and bear arms is premised on self-defense. A well-armed citizenry secures a free state by protecting the nation and its individuals from three distinct threats: tyranny, foreign invasion, and domestic dangers such as crime and civil unrest.”

Yet it is impossible to identify any premise of self-defense in the carnage that took place on Wednesday at Annunciation Catholic Church, in Minneapolis. This morning, while students were celebrating the first Mass of the school year, a shooter killed two children, ages eight and ten, and injured seventeen other people, fourteen of whom were children. It is impossible to claim guns as our guard against “domestic dangers” when firearms killed more children than any other cause—more than cancer, more than car crashes—for three years in a row. It is impossible to assert that guns keep us safe from “distinct threats” when we know that more kids are killed by guns in states that have the most permissive gun laws.

The Heritage Foundation tells us that a “well-armed citizenry acts as a major check on the ability of would-be tyrants, enabling the people to forcibly resist oppression.” And yet we can guess what might happen if residents of Washington, D.C., watching federal troops descend on their city, threatened to take up arms against their oppressors. The right wing’s vision of the Second Amendment is premised on a fantasy of what Heritage calls “a truly free society.” That fantasy is evidently more valuable than life itself.

If parents in Minneapolis are inconsolable tonight, if parents across the country are afraid that their children’s school might be the next one—and there will be a next one, and a next one after that—that means our nation is working according to our current leaders’ wishes. They wrote it down. It’s how we know we’re truly free.

gimmesometruth27

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Columbine was 26 years ago. Sandy Hook was 13 years ago. Quarter of a century plus and nothing has changed. Sad. Pathetic.

Only thing that has changed is it seems to be happening MORE!

seems to coincide with w letting the assault weapon ban expire.

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.com/@thetnholler/post/DN4C2CVjaXH?xmt=AQF00R-DBbwQ6pm_wFpgPVAjKJMYkZAzWDtaok8AFrp2OQ&slof=1

Harold Ford Jr. on Fox: “The common denominator is guns… at some level the sanctity and misapplication of the 2nd amendment can’t supersede every conversation about the lives of our kids.”

Get_Right

Tim Simmons said:

Until it affects every single American in a close to home way, it won’t change. 

I’m not a pessimistic person, but with this I am. It’s weird the things we hold precious 

The gun lobby is too strong. It really does not matter which party is in office or controls Congress. They buy politicians like buying food at the grocery store. Until that changes, guns will continue to be a problem. And the cities have no funding to crack down on illegal guns. 

mickeyrat

The Heritage Foundation, the conservative think tank that published the blueprint for the second Trump Administration with Project 2025, has an article on its website titled “The Essential Second Amendment.” It begins, “The right to keep and bear arms is premised on self-defense. A well-armed citizenry secures a free state by protecting the nation and its individuals from three distinct threats: tyranny, foreign invasion, and domestic dangers such as crime and civil unrest.”

“Yet it is impossible to identify any premise of self-defense in the carnage that took place on Wednesday at Annunciation Catholic Church, in Minneapolis. This morning, while students were celebrating the first Mass of the school year, a shooter killed two children, ages eight and ten, and injured 17 other people, 14 of whom were children,” Jessica Winter writes. “It is impossible to claim guns as our guard against ‘domestic dangers’ when firearms killed more children than any other cause—more than cancer, more than car crashes—for three years in a row. It is impossible to assert that guns keep us safe from ‘distinct threats’ when we know that more kids are killed by guns in states that have the most permissive gun laws.” In today’s daily newsletter, Winter reflects on the fantasy that feeds the right wing’s vision of the Second Amendment—a fantasy that’s evidently more valuable than life itself. Read her dispatch: https://newyorkermag.visitlink.me/YMNet0

tempo_n_groove

Bentleyspop said:

Countdown to hateful ignorant posts about trans people.

Not on this forum.  Other non-regulated, sure.

tempo_n_groove

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev2w1elx7wo

Why a 23yo would want to attack a church school and children is beyond me...

DE4173

tempo_n_groove said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev2w1elx7wo

Why a 23yo would want to attack a church school and children is beyond me...

Hate crime against Christians. Catholics specifically.

cincybearcat

nicknyr15 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Countdown to hateful ignorant posts about trans people.

I mean…… what if it was a white male republican?  Fuck anyone who murders people. How about that?? 

No one will admit it but there are many many people who root for the shooters to be black or trans while the other many many root for it to be a white male. It’s fucking gross. All so one side can tell the other side SEE! What a country. 

Yup.

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

Tim Simmons said:

You can condemn every shooting and every shooting IS bad, but we can also acknowledge that when it originates from someone from a marginalized community, the torches come out and is used as a reason why that community should be ostracized. And yes thats what happens when its a conservative male, but also, they aren't a marginalized community they just think they are.

I know..."some" invalidates this. Just like every anecdotal or opinion story posted on amt.

Dude, you clearly don’t enjoy it here. idk why you keep posting. 

OnWis97

I truly didn't give much thought to who the shooter might be. 

That said, when I found out, yeah, I was disappointed. Not because I didn't get to dunk on MAGA; I wasn't going to do that anyway but because I knew what the reaction would be; maybe even an executive order. If I lost a loved-one in such a tragedy, I don't think I'd care what kind of person pulled the trigger. But the bigger-picture reality for someone detached from the even (as I am even though I am in Minnesota) does lead to potential ramifications.

tempo_n_groove

DE4173 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cev2w1elx7wo

Why a 23yo would want to attack a church school and children is beyond me...

Hate crime against Christians. Catholics specifically.

I get that.  It's more of a lack of understanding on how a human can do this?

Gern Blansten

OnWis97 said:

I truly didn't give much thought to who the shooter might be. 

That said, when I found out, yeah, I was disappointed. Not because I didn't get to dunk on MAGA; I wasn't going to do that anyway but because I knew what the reaction would be; maybe even an executive order. If I lost a loved-one in such a tragedy, I don't think I'd care what kind of person pulled the trigger. But the bigger-picture reality for someone detached from the even (as I am even though I am in Minnesota) does lead to potential ramifications.

same...magats are good at blaming non magats but silent when it's a magat which is 80% of the time

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

I truly didn't give much thought to who the shooter might be. 

That said, when I found out, yeah, I was disappointed. Not because I didn't get to dunk on MAGA; I wasn't going to do that anyway but because I knew what the reaction would be; maybe even an executive order. If I lost a loved-one in such a tragedy, I don't think I'd care what kind of person pulled the trigger. But the bigger-picture reality for someone detached from the even (as I am even though I am in Minnesota) does lead to potential ramifications.

same...magats are good at blaming non magats but silent when it's a magat which is 80% of the time

I mean, every time it’s a white male all you hear is “why is it always a white male?” too.

tbergs

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

I truly didn't give much thought to who the shooter might be. 

That said, when I found out, yeah, I was disappointed. Not because I didn't get to dunk on MAGA; I wasn't going to do that anyway but because I knew what the reaction would be; maybe even an executive order. If I lost a loved-one in such a tragedy, I don't think I'd care what kind of person pulled the trigger. But the bigger-picture reality for someone detached from the even (as I am even though I am in Minnesota) does lead to potential ramifications.

same...magats are good at blaming non magats but silent when it's a magat which is 80% of the time

I mean, every time it’s a white male all you hear is “why is it always a white male?” too.

Yes, but you can't marginalize a white male, not yet anyway even though many seem to think they are. The difference is conservative and religious groups will use this as an opportunity to lash out at the Trans community and actually pass laws/EOs and other policies to further ostracize and/or criminalize them just for being trans.

I find it difficult to understand people who don't see the difference between attacking a majority social class suspect as opposed to a minority class suspect. It's been happening for centuries. It was getting better until we elected a fascist bigot and empowered the far right to weaponize every aspect of humanity they disagree* with.

*Besides pedophiles, white collar crime, fraud, bribery, gun violence, child murder, etc....

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

I truly didn't give much thought to who the shooter might be. 

That said, when I found out, yeah, I was disappointed. Not because I didn't get to dunk on MAGA; I wasn't going to do that anyway but because I knew what the reaction would be; maybe even an executive order. If I lost a loved-one in such a tragedy, I don't think I'd care what kind of person pulled the trigger. But the bigger-picture reality for someone detached from the even (as I am even though I am in Minnesota) does lead to potential ramifications.

same...magats are good at blaming non magats but silent when it's a magat which is 80% of the time

I mean, every time it’s a white male all you hear is “why is it always a white male?” too.

Yes, but you can't marginalize a white male, not yet anyway even though many seem to think they are. The difference is conservative and religious groups will use this as an opportunity to lash out at the Trans community and actually pass laws/EOs and other policies to further ostracize and/or criminalize them just for being trans.

I find it difficult to understand people who don't see the difference between attacking a majority social class suspect as opposed to a minority class suspect. It's been happening for centuries. It was getting better until we elected a fascist bigot and empowered the far right to weaponize every aspect of humanity they disagree with.

And accepted the normalization of same.