Guns.

gimmesometruth27

seanwon said:

Get_Right said:

Vitalogensia said:

Get_Right said:

seanwon said:

Get_Right said:

1) Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  

No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.

1) Just get rid of them and then mental health is a non-issue. Easier to eliminate guns than control the mental health of millions of people.
Edit: Start with handguns. Keep your camo mossberg.

2)True, but then there will be a lot of cowards that won’t feel safe without the ability to kill somebody at any moment.

It is no secret that the US has one, if not the highest, gun related homicide rate amongst developed nations. 1) Fewer guns means less shooting. It is not complicated math. The only reason to allow guns is because other people have guns. Just get rid of them all.

Unfortunately, it will not change anytime soon and I am not sure there is a way to repair what has already been allowed. Politicians have tried and failed time and time again. I go back to my Japan example. You can get a hunting rifle after extensive background checks, but no handguns for civilians. Ever. They have crime, but less people die.

1) Well, getting rid of them would be against the Constitution and isn't logically intelligent.  Stop whining about illegals being deported without due process if you don't support the Constitution.  I don't have a handgun (yet...TBD), or a camo Mossberg.  I have a single barrel, hammer action shotgun with a beautifully polished barrel.  

Once again, leftists don't understand if you take guns away, criminals keep theirs.  Non-criminals would lose their legal guns that they don't commit crime with. 

Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? Take cars away from sober drivers. That's how gun control works. 

2) What an embarrassing, untrue, and ignorant thing to say.  YOU are the reason so many of us don't intend to vote for a Dem any time soon. As soon as Dem culture stops blaming victims for things while defending the criminal, maybe we can win elections again.  

which well regulated militia do you belong to?

Get_Right

seanwon said:

Get_Right said:

Vitalogensia said:

Get_Right said:

seanwon said:

Get_Right said:

1) Just get rid of them. Focus more on guns than drugs. I have said it before. Cops in Japan do not even carry guns. Because there is zero tolerance. Just get rid of them. Guns equal crime and death.  

No, people who are mentally ill and have never been trained in proper gun usage and ownership equal crime and death.  Somehow none of my guns, or guns owned by a hundred friends and acquaintances have ever been used for a crime much less used improperly at all.  Weird. But just to make you guys happy, I will sit down with my guns tonight and have another talk with them. Just to be safe.

1) Just get rid of them and then mental health is a non-issue. Easier to eliminate guns than control the mental health of millions of people.
Edit: Start with handguns. Keep your camo mossberg.

2)True, but then there will be a lot of cowards that won’t feel safe without the ability to kill somebody at any moment.

It is no secret that the US has one, if not the highest, gun related homicide rate amongst developed nations. 1) Fewer guns means less shooting. It is not complicated math. The only reason to allow guns is because other people have guns. Just get rid of them all.

Unfortunately, it will not change anytime soon and I am not sure there is a way to repair what has already been allowed. Politicians have tried and failed time and time again. I go back to my Japan example. You can get a hunting rifle after extensive background checks, but no handguns for civilians. Ever. They have crime, but less people die.

1) Well, getting rid of them would be against the Constitution and isn't logically intelligent.  Stop whining about illegals being deported without due process if you don't support the Constitution.  I don't have a handgun (yet...TBD), or a camo Mossberg.  I have a single barrel, hammer action shotgun with a beautifully polished barrel.  

Once again, leftists don't understand if you take guns away, criminals keep theirs.  Non-criminals would lose their legal guns that they don't commit crime with. 

Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? Take cars away from sober drivers. That's how gun control works. 

2) What an embarrassing, untrue, and ignorant thing to say.  YOU are the reason so many of us don't intend to vote for a Dem any time soon. As soon as Dem culture stops blaming victims for things while defending the criminal, maybe we can win elections again.  

No, take away the alcohol to stop drunk drivers. Keep your shotgun. Keep your hunting rifle. But make them harder to obtain. Any idiot can walk into a gun store and walk out dangerously armed with more firepower than any person needs. There were no semi automatics when the second amendment was enacted. They used muskets and powder pistols to protect their land. Get rid of all handguns, semi automatics, hollow points etc., and large magazines. This is not a political position, it is a human position that should cross party lines. There is no ignorance in seeing that the US has more gun violence than any other country. Just get rid of them. I would rather see a crackdown on guns than a crackdown on immigrants. And I have never whined about due process not being afforded to illegal immigrants. That issue is a different discussion.

DE4173

I don't think even Democrat lawmakers are looking to get rid of handguns. 

Tim Simmons

They aren’t. And you reasonably can’t. But you can ban guns for civilians* that serve no real purpose other than to kill a mass amount of life. 


*and police don’t need them either. 

tempo_n_groove

Tim Simmons said:

Always important to remember that people who like guns are weird. Imagine being fascinated with a thing that’s sole purpose is to end life. 

They aren’t for everybody.  I guess im weird…

Tim Simmons

For all the talk about mental health and killing people, sport hunting aside, how do we not talk about the mental health issues of people have a ton of guns just to have them. It’s a weird thing to collect and care about. 

mickeyrat

tempo_n_groove said:

Tim Simmons said:

Always important to remember that people who like guns are weird. Imagine being fascinated with a thing that’s sole purpose is to end life. 

They aren’t for everybody.  I guess im weird…

no, but they are

mickeyrat

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mace1229

Tim Simmons said:

They aren’t. And you reasonably can’t. But you can ban guns for civilians* that serve no real purpose other than to kill a mass amount of life. 


*and police don’t need them either. 

You want to be a cop in LA, follow up with gang activity and not be armed?

Tim Simmons

I'm open to scaling down if we need to be solving the issue here.

mickeyrat

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Get_Right

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They aren’t. And you reasonably can’t. But you can ban guns for civilians* that serve no real purpose other than to kill a mass amount of life. 


*and police don’t need them either. 

You want to be a cop in LA, follow up with gang activity and not be armed?

Cops need guns. So does the military. But the end goal should be that your neighbor does not. Enact stricter laws, with harsher penalties, and deploy ICE to eliminate guns with the same vigor they are using to eliminate immigrants. 

Lerxst1992

Get_Right said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They aren’t. And you reasonably can’t. But you can ban guns for civilians* that serve no real purpose other than to kill a mass amount of life. 


*and police don’t need them either. 

You want to be a cop in LA, follow up with gang activity and not be armed?

Cops need guns. So does the military. But the end goal should be that your neighbor does not. Enact stricter laws, with harsher penalties, and deploy ICE to eliminate guns with the same vigor they are using to eliminate immigrants. 

That’s a great point, but Dems need to figure out how to win elections with those policies.

Get_Right

Lerxst1992 said:

Get_Right said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They aren’t. And you reasonably can’t. But you can ban guns for civilians* that serve no real purpose other than to kill a mass amount of life. 


*and police don’t need them either. 

You want to be a cop in LA, follow up with gang activity and not be armed?

Cops need guns. So does the military. But the end goal should be that your neighbor does not. Enact stricter laws, with harsher penalties, and deploy ICE to eliminate guns with the same vigor they are using to eliminate immigrants. 

That’s a great point, but Dems need to figure out how to win elections with those policies.

This issue should cross party lines, but I fear it never will given the gun lobby money. 

seanwon

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

I truly didn't give much thought to who the shooter might be. 

That said, when I found out, yeah, I was disappointed. Not because I didn't get to dunk on MAGA; I wasn't going to do that anyway but because I knew what the reaction would be; maybe even an executive order. If I lost a loved-one in such a tragedy, I don't think I'd care what kind of person pulled the trigger. But the bigger-picture reality for someone detached from the even (as I am even though I am in Minnesota) does lead to potential ramifications.

same...magats are good at blaming non magats but silent when it's a magat which is 80% of the time

Kind of like leftists here who make a much bigger deal of gun violence when it is a white shooter.  You particularly, who stated we have a white gun problem quite a few pages ago.  Despite all the statistics showing quite otherwise.  African Americans commit over 50% of gun violence. Vast majority of them male.  So about 7% of the population. But by all means, keep making up statistics to fit your racist agenda.

seanwon

DE4173 said:

My point is each side here is silent when it involves their own side. 

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That's why I don't have a side anymore.  Left wing. Right wing. One bird. One direction.

Get_Right

seanwon said:

Gern Blansten said:

OnWis97 said:

I truly didn't give much thought to who the shooter might be. 

That said, when I found out, yeah, I was disappointed. Not because I didn't get to dunk on MAGA; I wasn't going to do that anyway but because I knew what the reaction would be; maybe even an executive order. If I lost a loved-one in such a tragedy, I don't think I'd care what kind of person pulled the trigger. But the bigger-picture reality for someone detached from the even (as I am even though I am in Minnesota) does lead to potential ramifications.

same...magats are good at blaming non magats but silent when it's a magat which is 80% of the time

Kind of like leftists here who make a much bigger deal of gun violence when it is a white shooter.  You particularly, who stated we have a white gun problem quite a few pages ago.  Despite all the statistics showing quite otherwise.  African Americans commit over 50% of gun violence. Vast majority of them male.  So about 7% of the population. But by all means, keep making up statistics to fit your racist agenda.

I never said white shooters. In fact I specifically avoided the topic of race or ethnicity. Gun violence is an epidemic for all races. Gang related, crime related, road rage, domestic violence, school shootings, etc. I really do not care. It is all bad. Death is death. And guns cause death. To human beings.

I really do not care about ethnicity, economic status, or political affiliation. Just get rid of all the guns and no one will need one. The only statistic I have mentioned is that the US has the highest rate of gun violence in the world, save for a few third world countries. That is not debatable. No other country even comes close to the number of "mass shootings," however that may be defined.

Get rid of the guns (especially hand guns, semi automatics and large magazines) and the violence will happen less often. It is a simple equation. Gun laws should be stricter. Perhaps you believe is your Constitutional right to have an arsenal of military grade weapons. I highly doubt the founders of this country envisioned their citizens being armed with modified semi automatic weapons and 50-100 round clips. The need for that kind of firepower is indefensible. But we will never know because the gun lobby keeps paying off politicians. 

gimmesometruth27

Get_Right said:

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

They aren’t. And you reasonably can’t. But you can ban guns for civilians* that serve no real purpose other than to kill a mass amount of life. 


*and police don’t need them either. 

You want to be a cop in LA, follow up with gang activity and not be armed?

Cops need guns. So does the military. But the end goal should be that your neighbor does not. Enact stricter laws, with harsher penalties, and deploy ICE to eliminate guns with the same vigor they are using to eliminate immigrants. 

ice can't even run and navigate an obstacle course. good luck with that.

maybe noem can show up with a baseball cap and tactical vest and people will calm down?

gimmesometruth27

seanwon said:

DE4173 said:

My point is each side here is silent when it involves their own side. 

🦗

That's why I don't have a side anymore.  Left wing. Right wing. One bird. One direction.

and you are in which well regulated militia again?

gimmesometruth27

where are all the people that were supposed to stand up to a "tyrannical gubmint"?? it is here, and where the fuck are you all???