But unfortunately nothing will change, there will be wall to wall news coverage for a few days or week, everyone will say they are outraged, everyone will say they want change, they want gun control...you know the story, then everyone moves on to the next big news story. Nothing changes, then it happens again...It is tiring every time this happens to see all the people come out and say he must be mentally ill, really...thats always a given to me.
The mother must have known her son was sick...so what was she doing with these type of weapons? Thats the question I would like to know. And how did he get a hold of them? Hopefully his brother and dad provide answers to this.
Just sad, very sad.
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Why can't mental health checks be as routine as a physical exam? Why does one have to be on the breaking point to get help?
Because (at least here in America) mental health carries a stigma with it. Anyone who has had a 5150 (mandatory 72 hour lock down hold in a Psychiatric Health Facility) will tell you that. If the kidney are ailing or the heart is failing, we lavish empathy. The the brain is ailing we turn away.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
yes this is straight up evil. fuck being crazy. this dude had a demon come visit his most internal self, blood. bat shit crazy? could be. but evil trumps bat shit nut jobs even if for a moment. this is evil.
evil evil evil evil evil.
no one murders children like this without the helping hands of satan. this is profoundly reprehensible to the highest order.
other descriptive words....
deplorable
unjustifiable
sickening
vile
...the list goes on
this fucker's soul is not doing well... currently
in my line of thinking/beliefs there will be children playing in the playground
swinging swings
jungle gym/monkey bars
4 square and whatnot
children will be laughing and playing as they do at recees
the trouble is no physical children will be present
this place will be eerie
riddled with wondering spirits
this is my belief
little children were killed.. a whole classroom... the argument for more guns is a foolish, sad, cruel and evil argument. anti-gun is the way of the future.. how can we let this type of thing keep happening????? It's pure madness.
Everyone should be outraged and sad. But this would have happened with or without guns. Earlier this week a man in China walked into a school and stabbed 22 children. The world is going mad.
how do you know that this would have happen. those 22 kids all lived. these kids did not. at what point do we say "you know what massing killings might still happen if we put more restriction on gun ownership, but you know what lets try it anyway cause this way is not working either"
The point is that the world is going crazier every day. A nut job will go to any means to cause damage. Those 22 children in China did live but the intentions of the incident in China were meant to cause the same harm as yesterdays. We do need to have a conversation about what is going on in this country when it comes to violence. But to come out and say lets take away gun rights is not the way to go.
Why can't mental health checks be as routine as a physical exam? Why does one have to be on the breaking point to get help?
Because (at least here in America) mental health carries a stigma with it. Anyone who has had a 5150 (mandatory 72 hour lock down hold in a Psychiatric Health Facility) will tell you that. If the kidney are ailing or the heart is failing, we lavish empathy. The the brain is ailing we turn away.
While stigma has gradually lessened over the last century, it's amazing how many people don't consider mental disorders "real." "It's something that people fake to get out of doing work or an excuse so they won't be convicted of a crime." It's not visible so people aren't aware of its prevalence. There's also very little understanding of the different disorders and how they cause people to act.
I think most people see mental health and mental illness as an either/or state. I think it's more like a continuum, where no one is 100% mentally health and no one is 100% mentally ill. As comeback girl said, people with personality disorders often won't appear to meet our definitions of mentally ill, but their behavior will go against what most of us consider "normal." People like con artists don't feel remorse for stealing from other people. They have a personality that keeps them from feeling empathy for others.
I don't know what was going on with the shooter in this case. We may never know. We can speculate all day but until we have more information, I think it's fruitless. I'm especially bothered by all the blaming of his family. "Didn't his mother see something was wrong with him?" "Why did his family abandon him?" "Shouldn't his mother have gotten rid of the guns?" Blah blah woof woof. The blame goes on the shooter.
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yes this is straight up evil. fuck being crazy. this dude had a demon come visit his most internal self, blood. bat shit crazy? could be. but evil trumps bat shit nut jobs even if for a moment. this is evil.
evil evil evil evil evil.
no one murders children like this without the helping hands of satan. this is profoundly reprehensible to the highest order.
other descriptive words....
deplorable
unjustifiable
sickening
vile
...the list goes on
this fucker's soul is not doing well... currently
in my line of thinking/beliefs there will be children playing in the playground
swinging swings
jungle gym/monkey bars
4 square and whatnot
children will be laughing and playing as they do at recees
the trouble is no physical children will be present
this place will be eerie
riddled with wondering spirits
this is my belief
It is evil, Chadwick. There is so much evil in the world today- it breaks my heart. My first thought is- it wasn't always this way. I went to elementary school in the 50's. No one heard of this shit then. But on the other hand, we had duck and cover routines- drills where we were told "if you ever see a REALLY bright light go off outside that means an atom bomb has exploded so don't look at it or you'll go blind and get under you desk so you don't get blown to smithereens".
We've got to step back- way back, maybe even 10,000 years- and regain our sense.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Why can't mental health checks be as routine as a physical exam? Why does one have to be on the breaking point to get help?
Because (at least here in America) mental health carries a stigma with it. Anyone who has had a 5150 (mandatory 72 hour lock down hold in a Psychiatric Health Facility) will tell you that. If the kidney are ailing or the heart is failing, we lavish empathy. The the brain is ailing we turn away.
While stigma has gradually lessened over the last century, it's amazing how many people don't consider mental disorders "real." "It's something that people fake to get out of doing work or an excuse so they won't be convicted of a crime." It's not visible so people aren't aware of its prevalence. There's also very little understanding of the different disorders and how they cause people to act.
I think most people see mental health and mental illness as an either/or state. I think it's more like a continuum, where no one is 100% mentally health and no one is 100% mentally ill. As comeback girl said, people with personality disorders often won't appear to meet our definitions of mentally ill, but their behavior will go against what most of us consider "normal." People like con artists don't feel remorse for stealing from other people. They have a personality that keeps them from feeling empathy for others.
I don't know what was going on with the shooter in this case. We may never know. We can speculate all day but until we have more information, I think it's fruitless. I'm especially bothered by all the blaming of his family. "Didn't his mother see something was wrong with him?" "Why did his family abandon him?" "Shouldn't his mother have gotten rid of the guns?" Blah blah woof woof. The blame goes on the shooter.
I agree with both of you. Mental health is so complicated. And in a society where expressing how you feel is often looked at as a "weakness", people would rather suck it up then get help. I know I've been guilty of it.
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Shock value. That's what this is about, because all potential mass murderers know that they will have fame the minute they do something even more shocking than the last mass murdere/coward. The media, once again, glorifies a tragedy by attempting to dissect the killer. Exactly what he wanted: his name in lights, dramatic worldly attention. It doesn't matter that he's gone. He got what he wanted didn't he?
And I'm going against the grain, this isn't about gun control, this is about DRAMA and the need for attention. People are sick! But we've got to forget this guy who did it, and focus on our families, protecting our kids, and showing love to each other, not this bullshit hate that comes from a tragedy. F- all of you fighting about gun control. More and more this country is getting worse and worse because of the division among the population. And F- you to all the gun toting owners. This is not about rights, it's about the dangerous society that's existing in this country - worst country for crime in the world - because of the increasing number of sick people owning weapons and being proud of it.
How horribly awful for those parents. How horribly awful that we need to fight as a result.
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I think most people see mental health and mental illness as an either/or state. I think it's more like a continuum, where no one is 100% mentally health and no one is 100% mentally ill.
Good point, Who Princess. The scale used to describe what you're saying is called "The Global Assessment of Functioning", a numeric scale of 0 to 100. It's used to assess the social, occupational, and psychological functioning of adults. We all know about reading our temperature or blood pressure but mental assessments are less known (or hidden even).
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
While stigma has gradually lessened over the last century, it's amazing how many people don't consider mental disorders "real." "It's something that people fake to get out of doing work or an excuse so they won't be convicted of a crime." It's not visible so people aren't aware of its prevalence. There's also very little understanding of the different disorders and how they cause people to act.
I think most people see mental health and mental illness as an either/or state. I think it's more like a continuum, where no one is 100% mentally health and no one is 100% mentally ill. As comeback girl said, people with personality disorders often won't appear to meet our definitions of mentally ill, but their behavior will go against what most of us consider "normal." People like con artists don't feel remorse for stealing from other people. They have a personality that keeps them from feeling empathy for others.
I don't know what was going on with the shooter in this case. We may never know. We can speculate all day but until we have more information, I think it's fruitless. I'm especially bothered by all the blaming of his family. "Didn't his mother see something was wrong with him?" "Why did his family abandon him?" "Shouldn't his mother have gotten rid of the guns?" Blah blah woof woof. The blame goes on the shooter.
Really well said Who Princess. The blame absolutely rests with the shooter. This may have been less about some illness he was suffering from, and more about just who he was as a person, not some acute illness that his mother should have been aware of and if she had gotten him treatment would have made his functioning any different. The diagnoses he is reported to have had wouldn't lead to a break with reality, and no medication would have provided a cure. As redrock said on another thread, people jump to this because it makes it easier to make sense of. Asperger's doesn't lead people to commit this kind of horror.
Shock value. That's what this is about, because all potential mass murderers know that they will have fame the minute they do something even more shocking than the last mass murdere/coward. The media, once again, glorifies a tragedy by attempting to dissect the killer. Exactly what he wanted: his name in lights, dramatic worldly attention. It doesn't matter that he's gone. He got what he wanted didn't he?
And I'm going against the grain, this isn't about gun control, this is about DRAMA and the need for attention. People are sick! But we've got to forget this guy who did it, and focus on our families, protecting our kids, and showing love to each other, not this bullshit hate that comes from a tragedy. F- all of you fighting about gun control. More and more this country is getting worse and worse because of the division among the population. And F- you to all the gun toting owners. This is not about rights, it's about the dangerous society that's existing in this country - worst country for crime in the world - because of the increasing number of sick people owning weapons and being proud of it.
How horribly awful for those parents. How horribly awful that we need to fight as a result.
I couldn't have said it better.
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It is evil, Chadwick. There is so much evil in the world today- it breaks my heart. My first thought is- it wasn't always this way. I went to elementary school in the 50's. No one heard of this shit then. But on the other hand, we had duck and cover routines- drills where we were told "if you ever see a REALLY bright light go off outside that means an atom bomb has exploded so don't look at it or you'll go blind and get under you desk so you don't get blown to smithereens".
We've got to step back- way back, maybe even 10,000 years- and regain our sense.
yes mr. brianlux we are big time in a jam. modern day is a fucking disaster. everywhere a person looks is violence. god damn video games are what 10 to 1 viloent to not violent? children learn violence from television shows, movies, video games, from their parents, from their friends, from their sibelings, and from everywhere else you can think of.
when a kid is bullied or what have you and constantly told he/she is less than others they break down inside. blah blah blah.
i have no answers because it is to huge to dissect. in many ways we are all to blame when someone near us fails and goes off the deep end.
a man i know committed suicide almost 6 months or so ago. we all (his family & friends) have taken blame for what he chose to do. at some point are these mass shooters like this? i read where this dude's own brother lost contact with him back in 2010. so for whatever reason two brothers lose contact with each other, one decides to say, "fuck you, you're bug nuts i'm done with your ass"
if that is the case... then that brother has a bit of this blame to wear...
I don't see how anyone can deny that if he had not had access to weapons like this, the damage he would have done on any rampage would have been less.
It's a problem that unstable people have access to weapons like this! If he'd had to use a knife or a club or something else, he might not have been able to kill so many people!
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It is evil, Chadwick. There is so much evil in the world today- it breaks my heart. My first thought is- it wasn't always this way. I went to elementary school in the 50's. No one heard of this shit then. But on the other hand, we had duck and cover routines- drills where we were told "if you ever see a REALLY bright light go off outside that means an atom bomb has exploded so don't look at it or you'll go blind and get under you desk so you don't get blown to smithereens".
We've got to step back- way back, maybe even 10,000 years- and regain our sense.
yes mr. brianlux we are big time in a jam. modern day is a fucking disaster. everywhere a person looks is violence. god damn video games are what 10 to 1 viloent to not violent? children learn violence from television shows, movies, video games, from their parents, from their friends, from their sibelings, and from everywhere else you can think of.
when a kid is bullied or what have you and constantly told he/she is less than others they break down inside. blah blah blah.
i have no answers because it is to huge to dissect. in many ways we are all to blame when someone near us fails and goes off the deep end.
a man i know committed suicide almost 6 months or so ago. we all (his family & friends) have taken blame for what he chose to do. at some point are these mass shooters like this? i read where this dude's own brother lost contact with him back in 2010. so for whatever reason two brothers lose contact with each other, one decides to say, "fuck you, you're bug nuts i'm done with your ass"
if that is the case... then that brother has a bit of this blame to wear...
Yes, Chadwick, I agree very much with what you said about video games. I know it's not just about that and violent movies and such, but surely that is a part of it. Why do parents buy their kids this kind of shit?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
the most annoying statement I have heard today 'I'm a gun owner but I'm not violent".. well either was this guy before yesterday! He didn't have a record either.. These people that do this type of things aren't career criiminals or gang members so that argument doesn't hold water at all because a person with a background check that gets denied a gun because of their record aren't the people that do this...
Adam Lanza could have said the same thing after the movie theatre shooting this year....
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the most annoying statement I have heard today 'I'm a gun owner but I'm not violent".. well either was this guy before yesterday! He didn't have a record either.. These people that do this type of things aren't career criiminals or gang members so that argument doesn't hold water at all because a person with a background check that gets denied a gun because of their record aren't the people that do this...
Adam Lanza could have said the same thing after the movie theatre shooting this year....
So all gun owners are violent people? Is that what you are saying? I am a gun owner and I am outraged by what happened yesterday. The events yesterday are beyond sick...but to point the finger at gun ownership is the easy way out.
the most annoying statement I have heard today 'I'm a gun owner but I'm not violent".. well either was this guy before yesterday! He didn't have a record either.. These people that do this type of things aren't career criiminals or gang members so that argument doesn't hold water at all because a person with a background check that gets denied a gun because of their record aren't the people that do this...
Adam Lanza could have said the same thing after the movie theatre shooting this year....
So all gun owners are violent people? Is that what you are saying? I am a gun owner and I am outraged by what happened yesterday. The events yesterday are beyond sick...but to point the finger at gun ownership is the easy way out.
I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying. I think he means that we don't know if someone is violent until they are. From what has been reported so far, up until yesterday the shooter did not have a criminal record.
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so many wrong reports... is this social media?
Rumors :?
Speaking of social media.
For a child already isolated, ineffective socially, a loner, troubled...
this new phenomenon must exemplify these feelings.
No real friends, no 4000 'friends' and counting :wtf:
Just another thing to hate about this world.
Boy can we see the hate in this one. The...
' I wish I had never been born I'm taking you with me
all you happy loved dear children'
'They' say and I maybe have felt this in a small way at one time in my life,
that suicidal people believe they were born at the wrong time,
never were meant to be here, don't fit, can't fit.
Mix this with a jealousy of those happy who do fit it makes a very dangerous person.
Was wondering when you were going to make him the real victim here.
common sense it is...
but perhaps grasping this aspect you will not do, unfortunately it is the real key to
avoiding mass killings. Understand, identify, help the perpetrators.
Why are you suddenly writing like Yoda talks?
I think you are jumping the gun here - you've already made the leap to social media being a cause of his actions? Do you know something everyone else doesn't?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
the most annoying statement I have heard today 'I'm a gun owner but I'm not violent".. well either was this guy before yesterday! He didn't have a record either.. These people that do this type of things aren't career criiminals or gang members so that argument doesn't hold water at all because a person with a background check that gets denied a gun because of their record aren't the people that do this...
Adam Lanza could have said the same thing after the movie theatre shooting this year....
So all gun owners are violent people? Is that what you are saying? I am a gun owner and I am outraged by what happened yesterday. The events yesterday are beyond sick...but to point the finger at gun ownership is the easy way out.
obviously not saying that.... I'm saying that how do you vet a person like the gunman yesterday who had NEVER had a record or any inclination to be a mass murderer.. so when people say 'I'm a gun owner, but I'm not viokent'.. doesn't make sense because most of the mass murderers haven't ever been in trouble. I don't think EVERY gun owner is violent.
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I love you forever and forever
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Why can't mental health checks be as routine as a physical exam? Why does one have to be on the breaking point to get help?
Because (at least here in America) mental health carries a stigma with it. Anyone who has had a 5150 (mandatory 72 hour lock down hold in a Psychiatric Health Facility) will tell you that. If the kidney are ailing or the heart is failing, we lavish empathy. The the brain is ailing we turn away.
I think that's because everyone knows and and understands physical pain, but it is literally impossible to understand mental illness or depression or anxiety disorders unless one has actually experienced it themselves. Mental illness has to be the most difficult thing to feel empathetic about, because the experience of it is beyond the comprehension for those outside of it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Yes, Chadwick, I agree very much with what you said about video games. I know it's not just about that and violent movies and such, but surely that is a part of it. Why do parents buy their kids this kind of shit?
a piece of trash mother I used to work with actually told me a story how she got into an argument with a checkout clerk at Walmart because the clerk wouldn't sell one of those video games to her 15 year old. She yelled at the clerk that he plays these games all the time, and it's her choice to let him.
trash like this needs to be sterilized.
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Why can't mental health checks be as routine as a physical exam? Why does one have to be on the breaking point to get help?
Because (at least here in America) mental health carries a stigma with it. Anyone who has had a 5150 (mandatory 72 hour lock down hold in a Psychiatric Health Facility) will tell you that. If the kidney are ailing or the heart is failing, we lavish empathy. The the brain is ailing we turn away.
I think that's because everyone knows and and understands physical pain, but it is literally impossible to understand mental illness or depression or anxiety disorders unless one has actually experienced it themselves. Mental illness has to be the most difficult thing to feel empathetic about, because the experience of it is beyond the comprehension for those outside of it.
I guess that's my point. I think this is unique to America. Our very "masculine" society. And I understand this isn't new by any means. However, everything (not just weapons) is so more accessible than ever before. We're more impulsive ("masculine") and reason less. Therefore, it's easier to ignore a psychological issue and replace it with something else. Sometimes more extreme than others.
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We live in globalized society that devalues life on a daily basis.
There is a massive spiritual schism that has developed in this world,
and so long as people are brought up in a Babylon culture that either directly teaches them, or indirectly leads them to conclude that life has no value -- that it is a one time freak occurrence that expires upon physical death with no rhyme or reason -- so long will we have to deal with the hopeless and depraved actions of those morally bereft folks who are themselves victims of said culture.
Spiritless people will engage in spiritless actions.
You couldn't be more wrong. What a pathetic argument.
I'm sorry?
Your statement is pathetically lacking in any substance.
Yet another personal insult - one liner -- hurled by someone with seemingly little understanding or patience to pursue any sort of informed debate.
I'm not even sure what you find so pathetic about this "argument".
Why??? BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO MUCH OF A LAZY ASSHOLE TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
You just wanted to pop one off to feel important, i guess.
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Sorry, maybe pathetic was a bad choice of words.
The scale and outrage has changed, humans have not. We are animals, sometimes we snap. What has changed is our access to weapons that can kill easier and faster. The simple fact is without access to these weapons the casualties yesterday would have been much lower.
Your argument that just because I am not spiritual that I value life less than you is ridiculous. The way I see it I should probably value it more, this is my one kick at the can, no second chances, no afterlife.
You are ranting, making this about things that is not. Please tone it down.
These types of events are a cost of having guns in our society. Do the benefits outweigh the costs?
Exactly. Is your stupid 2nd amendment right more important than peoples lives? No, it's not even close, and if someone thinks it is then they best get their priorities straightened out. If you want to own a hunting rifle fine, but I still have yet to hear a logical reason as to why anyone needs a semi-automatic/assault weapon.
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so many wrong reports... is this social media?
Rumors :?
Speaking of social media.
For a child already isolated, ineffective socially, a loner, troubled... this new phenomenon must exemplify these feelings.
No real friends, no 4000 'friends' and counting :wtf:
Just another thing to hate about this world.
Boy can we see the hate in this one. The...
' I wish I had never been born I'm taking you with me
all you happy loved dear children'
'They' say and I maybe have felt this in a small way at one time in my life,
that suicidal people believe they were born at the wrong time,
never were meant to be here, don't fit, can't fit.
Mix this with a jealousy of those happy who do fit it makes a very dangerous person.
Why are you suddenly writing like Yoda talks?
I think you are jumping the gun here - you've already made the leap to social media being a cause of his actions? Do you know something everyone else doesn't?
cause of his actions :wtf: no I just said it might make him feel worse about his life but yes you see that as a leap...
alrighty then
These types of events are a cost of having guns in our society. Do the benefits outweigh the costs?
Exactly. Is your stupid 2nd amendment right more important than peoples lives? No, it's not even close, and if someone thinks it is then they best get their priorities straightened out. If you want to own a hunting rifle fine, but I still have yet to hear a logical reason as to why anyone needs a semi-automatic/assault weapon.
Or how about handguns? Why do you need a hand gun? Because its a fun hobby? You like to target shoot? Sorry these reasons are not good enough, the cost is too high. Take up another hobby.
I too have no problem with a hunting rifle. If you live in a rural community and need a rifle, I have no problem with that. Single shot only, reload after every shot.
If this latest tragedy teaches us one thing its that people are not responsible enough to own these kinds of weapons.
And I'm tired of the silly 2nd Amendment argument. The framers of The Constitution never imagined our modern society.
With all due respect they didn't imagine gay marriage or abortion when they framed the Constitution either but the COnstitution always gets brought up with those issues as well.
Everyone should be outraged and sad. But this would have happened with or without guns. Earlier this week a man in China walked into a school and stabbed 22 children. The world is going mad.
I cannot comprehend what you might really mean. Please explain then how its possible that 20 little children could have possibly been shot & killed WITHOUT guns.
fatal gunshot wounds on 5-year olds beg for your answer please.
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But unfortunately nothing will change, there will be wall to wall news coverage for a few days or week, everyone will say they are outraged, everyone will say they want change, they want gun control...you know the story, then everyone moves on to the next big news story. Nothing changes, then it happens again...It is tiring every time this happens to see all the people come out and say he must be mentally ill, really...thats always a given to me.
The mother must have known her son was sick...so what was she doing with these type of weapons? Thats the question I would like to know. And how did he get a hold of them? Hopefully his brother and dad provide answers to this.
Just sad, very sad.
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Because (at least here in America) mental health carries a stigma with it. Anyone who has had a 5150 (mandatory 72 hour lock down hold in a Psychiatric Health Facility) will tell you that. If the kidney are ailing or the heart is failing, we lavish empathy. The the brain is ailing we turn away.
evil evil evil evil evil.
no one murders children like this without the helping hands of satan. this is profoundly reprehensible to the highest order.
other descriptive words....
deplorable
unjustifiable
sickening
vile
...the list goes on
this fucker's soul is not doing well... currently
in my line of thinking/beliefs there will be children playing in the playground
swinging swings
jungle gym/monkey bars
4 square and whatnot
children will be laughing and playing as they do at recees
the trouble is no physical children will be present
this place will be eerie
riddled with wondering spirits
this is my belief
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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The point is that the world is going crazier every day. A nut job will go to any means to cause damage. Those 22 children in China did live but the intentions of the incident in China were meant to cause the same harm as yesterdays. We do need to have a conversation about what is going on in this country when it comes to violence. But to come out and say lets take away gun rights is not the way to go.
I think most people see mental health and mental illness as an either/or state. I think it's more like a continuum, where no one is 100% mentally health and no one is 100% mentally ill. As comeback girl said, people with personality disorders often won't appear to meet our definitions of mentally ill, but their behavior will go against what most of us consider "normal." People like con artists don't feel remorse for stealing from other people. They have a personality that keeps them from feeling empathy for others.
I don't know what was going on with the shooter in this case. We may never know. We can speculate all day but until we have more information, I think it's fruitless. I'm especially bothered by all the blaming of his family. "Didn't his mother see something was wrong with him?" "Why did his family abandon him?" "Shouldn't his mother have gotten rid of the guns?" Blah blah woof woof. The blame goes on the shooter.
It is evil, Chadwick. There is so much evil in the world today- it breaks my heart. My first thought is- it wasn't always this way. I went to elementary school in the 50's. No one heard of this shit then. But on the other hand, we had duck and cover routines- drills where we were told "if you ever see a REALLY bright light go off outside that means an atom bomb has exploded so don't look at it or you'll go blind and get under you desk so you don't get blown to smithereens".
We've got to step back- way back, maybe even 10,000 years- and regain our sense.
I agree with both of you. Mental health is so complicated. And in a society where expressing how you feel is often looked at as a "weakness", people would rather suck it up then get help. I know I've been guilty of it.
And I'm going against the grain, this isn't about gun control, this is about DRAMA and the need for attention. People are sick! But we've got to forget this guy who did it, and focus on our families, protecting our kids, and showing love to each other, not this bullshit hate that comes from a tragedy. F- all of you fighting about gun control. More and more this country is getting worse and worse because of the division among the population. And F- you to all the gun toting owners. This is not about rights, it's about the dangerous society that's existing in this country - worst country for crime in the world - because of the increasing number of sick people owning weapons and being proud of it.
How horribly awful for those parents. How horribly awful that we need to fight as a result.
Good point, Who Princess. The scale used to describe what you're saying is called "The Global Assessment of Functioning", a numeric scale of 0 to 100. It's used to assess the social, occupational, and psychological functioning of adults. We all know about reading our temperature or blood pressure but mental assessments are less known (or hidden even).
I couldn't have said it better.
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when a kid is bullied or what have you and constantly told he/she is less than others they break down inside. blah blah blah.
i have no answers because it is to huge to dissect. in many ways we are all to blame when someone near us fails and goes off the deep end.
a man i know committed suicide almost 6 months or so ago. we all (his family & friends) have taken blame for what he chose to do. at some point are these mass shooters like this? i read where this dude's own brother lost contact with him back in 2010. so for whatever reason two brothers lose contact with each other, one decides to say, "fuck you, you're bug nuts i'm done with your ass"
if that is the case... then that brother has a bit of this blame to wear...
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It's a problem that unstable people have access to weapons like this! If he'd had to use a knife or a club or something else, he might not have been able to kill so many people!
Yes, Chadwick, I agree very much with what you said about video games. I know it's not just about that and violent movies and such, but surely that is a part of it. Why do parents buy their kids this kind of shit?
Adam Lanza could have said the same thing after the movie theatre shooting this year....
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So all gun owners are violent people? Is that what you are saying? I am a gun owner and I am outraged by what happened yesterday. The events yesterday are beyond sick...but to point the finger at gun ownership is the easy way out.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I think you are jumping the gun here - you've already made the leap to social media being a cause of his actions? Do you know something everyone else doesn't?
obviously not saying that.... I'm saying that how do you vet a person like the gunman yesterday who had NEVER had a record or any inclination to be a mass murderer.. so when people say 'I'm a gun owner, but I'm not viokent'.. doesn't make sense because most of the mass murderers haven't ever been in trouble. I don't think EVERY gun owner is violent.
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a piece of trash mother I used to work with actually told me a story how she got into an argument with a checkout clerk at Walmart because the clerk wouldn't sell one of those video games to her 15 year old. She yelled at the clerk that he plays these games all the time, and it's her choice to let him.
trash like this needs to be sterilized.
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I guess that's my point. I think this is unique to America. Our very "masculine" society. And I understand this isn't new by any means. However, everything (not just weapons) is so more accessible than ever before. We're more impulsive ("masculine") and reason less. Therefore, it's easier to ignore a psychological issue and replace it with something else. Sometimes more extreme than others.
Sorry, maybe pathetic was a bad choice of words.
The scale and outrage has changed, humans have not. We are animals, sometimes we snap. What has changed is our access to weapons that can kill easier and faster. The simple fact is without access to these weapons the casualties yesterday would have been much lower.
Your argument that just because I am not spiritual that I value life less than you is ridiculous. The way I see it I should probably value it more, this is my one kick at the can, no second chances, no afterlife.
You are ranting, making this about things that is not. Please tone it down.
Exactly. Is your stupid 2nd amendment right more important than peoples lives? No, it's not even close, and if someone thinks it is then they best get their priorities straightened out. If you want to own a hunting rifle fine, but I still have yet to hear a logical reason as to why anyone needs a semi-automatic/assault weapon.
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cause of his actions :wtf: no I just said it might make him feel worse about his life but yes you see that as a leap...
alrighty then
Or how about handguns? Why do you need a hand gun? Because its a fun hobby? You like to target shoot? Sorry these reasons are not good enough, the cost is too high. Take up another hobby.
I too have no problem with a hunting rifle. If you live in a rural community and need a rifle, I have no problem with that. Single shot only, reload after every shot.
If this latest tragedy teaches us one thing its that people are not responsible enough to own these kinds of weapons.
With all due respect they didn't imagine gay marriage or abortion when they framed the Constitution either but the COnstitution always gets brought up with those issues as well.
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I cannot comprehend what you might really mean. Please explain then how its possible that 20 little children could have possibly been shot & killed WITHOUT guns.
fatal gunshot wounds on 5-year olds beg for your answer please.
but theyr'e getting guns