I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
From here it kinda looks like you might be twisting his words.
No those who aren't voting for him, minds made up for whatever reason,
aren't listening to him Is that you too?
I'm still undecided so I listen to the entire quote and put myself there
in the moment.
I'm not alone, if one also listens to media and people on the street,
some of the Independents.
It comes down to listening unbiasedly, too bad not everyone can do that,
but there is no point when one belongs to a team already.
Hey, no team here. I won't be voting for either, I have no horse in the race. Just calling it like I see it.
Always fun to read pandora's "unbiased" view of the state of the race.
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Always fun to read pandora's "unbiased" view of the state of the race.
hmmm...did I say anything about the state of the race :? only my interpretation of what Romney
really meant by his words and yes that opinion is unbiased
because our President may very well get my vote
can you say that if you vote, your vote may very well go to Romney ... thought not
so who's biased
From here it kinda looks like you might be twisting his words.
No those who aren't voting for him, minds made up for whatever reason,
aren't listening to him Is that you too?
I'm still undecided so I listen to the entire quote and put myself there
in the moment.
I'm not alone, if one also listens to media and people on the street,
some of the Independents.
It comes down to listening unbiasedly, too bad not everyone can do that,
but there is no point when one belongs to a team already.
Hey, no team here. I won't be voting for either, I have no horse in the race. Just calling it like I see it.
oh perhaps no vote then? not in the country perhaps? then maybe no need or desire to listen
or try to understand either. I have all this and then some.
Of fucking course you would twist this into what he was "really" saying. Look, we all get he was talking about the campaign, voting and politics, but he also said this....
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Don't give me that fucking bullshit that this is taken out of context. How can this be taken out of context'? Please explain what he meant? And keep in mind he is talking about 47% of the American people.
I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives
There is a movement taking place in our country to depend on the government.
For retirement, healthcare, food, housing, education ...
I see it in my own children and others in their age group, they are saying
" some are getting whats entitled to them, I am not"
my answer ... 'the government owes you nothing you must earn what you get.'
I was raised not to live off the government.
This is what Romney is speaking of, this movement, one where people
feel entitled, one where the government solves all problems.
One where those working are taxed to a breaking point providing for others.
And yes it includes everyone on some sort of government aid because
they are all part of the problem. The problem is ...
we can not afford entitlement.
We need an economy where people work pure and simple.
Everyone works are not taxed and the money goes
back into the country through healthy spending, home buying
etc... not to the government.
I find it ironic that food stamps are at a sky high level and the country is obese.
What does this say about the this system of entitlement. Take take take...
name of the game everyone's doing it :fp:
You seem to be drastically simplifying society. According to what you write, you see two groups... people who don't want or need anything from the government, and people who are solely dependent on the government. In reality, the vast majority of the population don't fall in that group at all.
Even people who aren't in the "47%" were in there at one time (whether they know it or not), or will be at some point. Almost no one is fortunate enough to make it through life without at some point needing the help of some government program.
Well lets change that! :fp:
Who says this is how it needs to be....
and incredibly excessively I might add.
With just the example of food stamps and an obese population, in what world does that
make sense? Should any help be only to save a life? Or should it be to grow people
to unhealthy weights?
You seem to be understating the excessive nature of where we are headed ...
towards this growing entitlement the masses feel is due to them.
This is only to grow worse until it breaks....
and break it will...
Just how far can a deficit go before it can't grow anymore? Before we break?
Which candidate has a chance of lessening the growth?
So far our President and his administration of redistribution
has not been able to curb any growth of the deficit, in fact,
it has gained speed with this strategy.
I am not on either side, no team for me, just trying to figure out who can
fix this problem and get people back to work and remove the idea
anyone is entitled to anything ... they must work for what the get.
Always fun to read pandora's "unbiased" view of the state of the race.
hmmm...did I say anything about the state of the race :? only my interpretation of what Romney
really meant by his words and yes that opinion is unbiased
because our President may very well get my vote
can you say that if you vote, your vote may very well go to Romney ... thought not
so who's biased
I'm not the one who claims to be unbiased, but supports whatever one side says over the other side about, oh, 99% of the time.
I'm an Obama supporter but I don't agree with everything he does & says. And I find Romney to be a dreadful presidential candidate, easily the worst of my lifetime, who is a comical caricature of the typical rich businessman who decides to partake in politics, like this guy.
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Who says this is how it needs to be....
and incredibly excessively I might add.
With just the example of food stamps and an obese population, in what world does that
make sense? Should any help be only to save a life? Or should it be to grow people
to unhealthy weights?
You seem to be understating the excessive nature of where we are headed ...
towards this growing entitlement the masses feel is due to them.
This is only to grow worse until it breaks....
and break it will...
Just how far can a deficit go before it can't grow anymore? Before we break?
Which candidate has a chance of lessening the growth?
So far our President and his administration of redistribution
has not been able to curb any growth of the deficit, in fact,
it has gained speed with this strategy.
I am not on either side, no team for me, just trying to figure out who can
fix this problem and get people back to work and remove the idea
anyone is entitled to anything ... they must work for what the get.
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there needs to be a healthy balance between government intervention (i.e health care, food stanps) and individuality.. otherwise the poor have got no resources to even begin to change their lives but they need that push that the GOP argue is essential (and so does most people)..that push they have is the pressure to be more then they are and the pain of being fighting for every meal.
don't you need to to somewhat assist the very poor otherwise how can anyway change their situation? a moderate look at this issue is the best way otherwise nothing will ever change. socialism doesn't work but either would the ignorant view that the GOP hold about the rich and poor gap and helping the down trodden.
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No those who aren't voting for him, minds made up for whatever reason,
aren't listening to him Is that you too?
I'm still undecided so I listen to the entire quote and put myself there
in the moment.
I'm not alone, if one also listens to media and people on the street,
some of the Independents.
It comes down to listening unbiasedly, too bad not everyone can do that,
but there is no point when one belongs to a team already.
Hey, no team here. I won't be voting for either, I have no horse in the race. Just calling it like I see it.
oh perhaps no vote then? not in the country perhaps? then maybe no need or desire to listen
or try to understand either. I have all this and then some.
You're right, I'm your neighbor from the north. Obviously this election doesn't affect me as much as you. I have a great need and desire to understand what happens politically with my neighbors to the south, it still greatly affects us up here. I also think that my separation from the rat race that seems to be the race for The White House gives me an outside (and maybe more unbiased) view of it. I'm not railroaded like I'm sure you are by CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other media. Not to mention the political ads. Maybe I'm wrong but I think it gives me a lot of perspective.
Who says this is how it needs to be....
and incredibly excessively I might add.
With just the example of food stamps and an obese population, in what world does that
make sense? Should any help be only to save a life? Or should it be to grow people
to unhealthy weights?
You seem to be understating the excessive nature of where we are headed ...
towards this growing entitlement the masses feel is due to them.
This is only to grow worse until it breaks....
and break it will...
Just how far can a deficit go before it can't grow anymore? Before we break?
Which candidate has a chance of lessening the growth?
So far our President and his administration of redistribution
has not been able to curb any growth of the deficit, in fact,
it has gained speed with this strategy.
I am not on either side, no team for me, just trying to figure out who can
fix this problem and get people back to work and remove the idea
anyone is entitled to anything ... they must work for what the get.
there needs to be a healthy balance between government intervention (i.e health care, food stanps) and individuality.. otherwise the poor have got no resources to even begin to change their lives but they need that push that the GOP argue is essential (and so does most people)..that push they have is the pressure to be more then they are and the pain of being fighting for every meal.
don't you need to to somewhat assist the very poor otherwise how can anyway change their situation? a moderate look at this issue is the best way otherwise nothing will ever change. socialism doesn't work but either would the ignorant view that the GOP hold about the rich and poor gap and helping the down trodden.
Sorry to jump in here. But, don't the poor "change their situation" by getting a job? From one job, they can then get another, and another... and so on - moving up the payscale. Just my thoughts. No one "changes their situation" by getting government assistance, right?
Always fun to read pandora's "unbiased" view of the state of the race.
hmmm...did I say anything about the state of the race :? only my interpretation of what Romney
really meant by his words and yes that opinion is unbiased
because our President may very well get my vote
can you say that if you vote, your vote may very well go to Romney ... thought not
so who's biased
I'm not the one who claims to be unbiased, but supports whatever one side says over the other side about, oh, 99% of the time.
I'm an Obama supporter but I don't agree with everything he does & says. And I find Romney to be a dreadful presidential candidate, easily the worst of my lifetime, who is a comical caricature of the typical rich businessman who decides to partake in politics, like this guy.
Always fun to read pandora's "unbiased" view of the state of the race.
hmmm...did I say anything about the state of the race :? only my interpretation of what Romney
really meant by his words and yes that opinion is unbiased
because our President may very well get my vote
can you say that if you vote, your vote may very well go to Romney ... thought not
so who's biased
I'm not the one who claims to be unbiased, but supports whatever one side says over the other side about, oh, 99% of the time.
I'm an Obama supporter but I don't agree with everything he does & says. And I find Romney to be a dreadful presidential candidate, easily the worst of my lifetime, who is a comical caricature of the typical rich businessman who decides to partake in politics, like this guy.
I do not claim anything this is how i feel. Why this is a hard election for me as an Independent.
Clearly this administration is not doing well. It sucks. He has not done what he has promised,
we are not in a better place personally or our business. The deficit is out of control,
as are taxes. The new healthcare another tax and penalty :fp:
BUT...
I like our President, personally, I think he is good in many ways for our country.
I believe 4 years is never long enough and maybe he should have 4 more for success,
as most Presidents in recent voting years.
I also would have liked a different candidate for the Republican party,
you are correct about his persona unfortunately.
BUT...
He just might be able to do what he says he can, build an economy not a government,
which is the ideal that lives in my heart.
Serious question. How is Romney going to build an economy? Tax cuts for the rich that will be paid for by cuts to.....wait till I'm President and I will tell you.
Who says this is how it needs to be....
and incredibly excessively I might add.
With just the example of food stamps and an obese population, in what world does that
make sense? Should any help be only to save a life? Or should it be to grow people
to unhealthy weights?
You seem to be understating the excessive nature of where we are headed ...
towards this growing entitlement the masses feel is due to them.
This is only to grow worse until it breaks....
and break it will...
Just how far can a deficit go before it can't grow anymore? Before we break?
Which candidate has a chance of lessening the growth?
So far our President and his administration of redistribution
has not been able to curb any growth of the deficit, in fact,
it has gained speed with this strategy.
I am not on either side, no team for me, just trying to figure out who can
fix this problem and get people back to work and remove the idea
anyone is entitled to anything ... they must work for what the get.
there needs to be a healthy balance between government intervention (i.e health care, food stanps) and individuality.. otherwise the poor have got no resources to even begin to change their lives but they need that push that the GOP argue is essential (and so does most people)..that push they have is the pressure to be more then they are and the pain of being fighting for every meal.
don't you need to to somewhat assist the very poor otherwise how can anyway change their situation? a moderate look at this issue is the best way otherwise nothing will ever change. socialism doesn't work but either would the ignorant view that the GOP hold about the rich and poor gap and helping the down trodden.
Sorry to jump in here. But, don't the poor "change their situation" by getting a job? From one job, they can then get another, and another... and so on - moving up the payscale. Just my thoughts. No one "changes their situation" by getting government assistance, right?
Yes, it's just that easy to get a job... or maybe they can just borrow money from their parents to start a company?
No one "changes their situation" by getting government assistance, but they can do trivial things like "feed their children" or "go to the doctor" or "stay in their house" after getting laid off, with government assistance.
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Serious question. How is Romney going to build an economy? Tax cuts for the rich that will be paid for by cuts to.....wait till I'm President and I will tell you.
That's good.
Serious question, I'm being serious - do you really think Obama vs. Romney matters? Why?
When push comes to shove - do you think either will do drastically different things from the opponent? If so, what?
Serious question. How is Romney going to build an economy? Tax cuts for the rich that will be paid for by cuts to.....wait till I'm President and I will tell you.
That's good.
And he's going to cut spending... not really sure what spending yet, but I'm sure there it will be something.
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Sorry to jump in here. But, don't the poor "change their situation" by getting a job? From one job, they can then get another, and another... and so on - moving up the payscale. Just my thoughts. No one "changes their situation" by getting government assistance, right?
Yes, it's just that easy to get a job... or maybe they can just borrow money from their parents to start a company?
No one "changes their situation" by getting government assistance, but they can do trivial things like "feed their children" or "go to the doctor" or "stay in their house" after getting laid off, with government assistance.
In our current economy, it's definitely harder than it once was no doubt. But, I see an awful lot of illegal immigrants finding ways to get jobs in the US. Several are cutting the lawn outside my office right now - I could wave to them. And yes, I'm positive they are illegal - I've spoken to their boss. They are cheap labor for him. He finds them at the Home Depot.
So, how do these folks do it? In my personal opinion - they work at it - they figure it out. That's not to say that it's always possible to get a job, I get that - especially now.
But, sorry...
My point stands - You don't CHANGE YOUR SITUATION .... by getting government welfare. You change it by getting a job.
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the campaign affirmed Friday that "in each year" from 1990 to 2009, "the Romneys owed both state and federal income taxes," with the federal effective rate averaging 20.2 percent. Annual charity giving averaged 13.5 percent during that period, the campaign said.
Serious question. How is Romney going to build an economy? Tax cuts for the rich that will be paid for by cuts to.....wait till I'm President and I will tell you.
That's good.
Serious question, I'm being serious - do you really think Obama vs. Romney matters? Why?
When push comes to shove - do you think either will do drastically different things from the opponent? If so, what?
Economically, probably not in any major way. But I am far from an economic expert, and I don't pretend to be.
So if neither is going to have a major difference economically? I should vote based on social issues and foreign policy, right?
Edit: And I am not saying I am voting stricly on social issues, but I do agree things will not be completely different economically under either, although I don't agree upper class tax cuts with the middle class likely paying for them is the way to go.
The Romneys donated about $4 million to charity in 2011
the campaign affirmed Friday that "in each year" from 1990 to 2009, "the Romneys owed both state and federal income taxes," with the federal effective rate averaging 20.2 percent. Annual charity giving averaged 13.5 percent during that period, the campaign said.
how much of that was mandatory contributions to the Mormon Church?
the answer the above question.. no one one changes their situation from govt assistance but while they are looking for work etc and are homeless how do they feed themselves or their family? they need money to catch a bus or taxi to get to an interview.. maybe decent clothes for an interview... no one gets rich off assistance this is why it's annoying people complain about people getting assistance.
how do you expect a homeless person to find a job? eat? etc etc with no help from anyone?
also.. govt provides training for job employment and interviews etc... this is all important stuff.
govt assistance doesn't make people move up the ladder gives them the basics to maintain and ATLEAST ATTEMPT to forge a decent existence.
Mitt's mantra is the people who have 'lost' in life are their because of their bad choices and the winners are rich because they worked harder and were smarter. I know people who have worked 3 jobs for their whole lives and still JUST make it.
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The Romneys donated about $4 million to charity in 2011
the campaign affirmed Friday that "in each year" from 1990 to 2009, "the Romneys owed both state and federal income taxes," with the federal effective rate averaging 20.2 percent. Annual charity giving averaged 13.5 percent during that period, the campaign said.
Serious question... are they releasing his tax forms, or just saying that his rate was 20.2%?
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The Romneys donated about $4 million to charity in 2011
the campaign affirmed Friday that "in each year" from 1990 to 2009, "the Romneys owed both state and federal income taxes," with the federal effective rate averaging 20.2 percent. Annual charity giving averaged 13.5 percent during that period, the campaign said.
Serious question... are they releasing his tax forms, or just saying that his rate was 20.2%?
Yeah, he has. Certainly an attempt to get positive news after the past week. And good, good for him. I am glad he paid what he is supposed to.
to add to the answer of romney vs obama and who will change the economy a lot.. probably none of them but they will both push their agenda...
romney will increase the gap between the rich and the poor and he will tell us that a huge gap is a necessity in a decent free market society.
he will say that the investments will boost the economy which is true, the people that invent things, create successful companies etc etc will therefore support the very poor as the money will trickle down to more jobs and opportunities. he will say that the middle class will benefit from THIS because their will be more products on the market AGAIN boosting the economy. Romney will say that too much govt interference means that the typical American won't or hasn't got the drive to became more successful. I think a lot of this is correct but it has to be balanced out with well tuned welfare programs as this gives the basics to the needy who haven't yet got the resources or opportunity to move up..
Romney thinks all this because he believes that every American is born equal.. this is a fallacy and a common misconception. Obama will turn the economy around if he balances the GOP theme (mentioned above) with providing enough assistance people in immediate need.
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Who says this is how it needs to be....
and incredibly excessively I might add.
With just the example of food stamps and an obese population, in what world does that
make sense? Should any help be only to save a life? Or should it be to grow people
to unhealthy weights?
You seem to be understating the excessive nature of where we are headed ...
towards this growing entitlement the masses feel is due to them.
This is only to grow worse until it breaks....
and break it will...
Just how far can a deficit go before it can't grow anymore? Before we break?
Which candidate has a chance of lessening the growth?
So far our President and his administration of redistribution
has not been able to curb any growth of the deficit, in fact,
it has gained speed with this strategy.
I am not on either side, no team for me, just trying to figure out who can
fix this problem and get people back to work and remove the idea
anyone is entitled to anything ... they must work for what the get.
there needs to be a healthy balance between government intervention (i.e health care, food stanps) and individuality.. otherwise the poor have got no resources to even begin to change their lives but they need that push that the GOP argue is essential (and so does most people)..that push they have is the pressure to be more then they are and the pain of being fighting for every meal.
don't you need to to somewhat assist the very poor otherwise how can anyway change their situation? a moderate look at this issue is the best way otherwise nothing will ever change. socialism doesn't work but either would the ignorant view that the GOP hold about the rich and poor gap and helping the down trodden.
The rich give much from both persuasions,
red and blue equally I'm sure.
Personally I don't think people should be taxed to provide excessive
aid to people or have funny money paying for it.
People help...
they give every time they hear of need. Even in these strapped times people give.
Unfortunately this money does not get to where it is needed.
A good example was what I heard happened to the money collected for the victims
of the Colorado shootings. Money that was to go to the families.
Millions collected now sit somewhere tied up and they must try,
by lawsuit, to get more than the small amount they each received. :wtf:
We have someone gettin rich off of the generosity of charitable gifts,
not just this case but countless cases.
Let's put helping others back into the hands of real people. Let's put volunteerism
and incentives to do so a number one priority. Let's stop the idea of entitlements
and have everyone work for what they receive.
No one would keep a starving child from food, resources can be made by people
for the people. Most especially true when taxes are drastically lowered,
money put back into peoples pockets so they can donate
and help others in their own communities.
Now with government involved we have obese people receiving 400$ a month
and up on food stamps.
We have fraud, abuse and this administration is attempting to bring
more onto government care than get them off.
What is wrong with that picture?
Do we think they do it for votes? Do we think they do it for power?
the answer the above question.. no one one changes their situation from govt assistance but while they are looking for work etc and are homeless how do they feed themselves or their family? they need money to catch a bus or taxi to get to an interview.. maybe decent clothes for an interview... no one gets rich off assistance this is why it's annoying people complain about people getting assistance.
how do you expect a homeless person to find a job? eat? etc etc with no help from anyone?
also.. govt provides training for job employment and interviews etc... this is all important stuff.
govt assistance doesn't make people move up the ladder gives them the basics to maintain and ATLEAST ATTEMPT to forge a decent existence.
Mitt's mantra is the people who have 'lost' in life are their because of their bad choices and the winners are rich because they worked harder and were smarter. I know people who have worked 3 jobs for their whole lives and still JUST make it.
This wasn't a pom-pom waving question. I don't care about Mitt or Obama. I think they both suck. So, no need to bring Mitt or Obama into it - they both are IMHO horrible presidential candidates.
To answer your question, in the perfect world, personally - I would think an insurance plan of sorts for unemployment would be wise - even if it's publicly run. Although I'd prefer private. I also think if government wasn't so involved in welfare, private enterprise and charity could/would help more - as would communities - the wealthy in particular. I don't think public welfare ceasing to exist would leave a vacuum as most do - charity and private markets, people would fill the hole. I also think welfare breeds dependence - this is particularly true when run by government, and still true - but to a lesser extent when received through private enterprise or handouts. Just like my child can be misled into thinking she's entitled to this or that without working for it, so can a grown up. That's my take.
The job though. That's what gets people out. Working for your own money. Knowing that it's not easy but appreciating every cent. That's what changes people's situations.
People can have different views on how one can get the job - as both candidates do. But, anyone (not saying you did this) who acts like handouts by government are preferred to even the lowest or low jobs has entitlement issues, and is probably a spoiled brat.
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I love him
really meant by his words and yes that opinion is unbiased
because our President may very well get my vote
can you say that if you vote, your vote may very well go to Romney ... thought not
so who's biased
or try to understand either. I have all this and then some.
Who says this is how it needs to be....
and incredibly excessively I might add.
With just the example of food stamps and an obese population, in what world does that
make sense? Should any help be only to save a life? Or should it be to grow people
to unhealthy weights?
You seem to be understating the excessive nature of where we are headed ...
towards this growing entitlement the masses feel is due to them.
This is only to grow worse until it breaks....
and break it will...
Just how far can a deficit go before it can't grow anymore? Before we break?
Which candidate has a chance of lessening the growth?
So far our President and his administration of redistribution
has not been able to curb any growth of the deficit, in fact,
it has gained speed with this strategy.
I am not on either side, no team for me, just trying to figure out who can
fix this problem and get people back to work and remove the idea
anyone is entitled to anything ... they must work for what the get.
I'm not the one who claims to be unbiased, but supports whatever one side says over the other side about, oh, 99% of the time.
I'm an Obama supporter but I don't agree with everything he does & says. And I find Romney to be a dreadful presidential candidate, easily the worst of my lifetime, who is a comical caricature of the typical rich businessman who decides to partake in politics, like this guy.
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there needs to be a healthy balance between government intervention (i.e health care, food stanps) and individuality.. otherwise the poor have got no resources to even begin to change their lives but they need that push that the GOP argue is essential (and so does most people)..that push they have is the pressure to be more then they are and the pain of being fighting for every meal.
don't you need to to somewhat assist the very poor otherwise how can anyway change their situation? a moderate look at this issue is the best way otherwise nothing will ever change. socialism doesn't work but either would the ignorant view that the GOP hold about the rich and poor gap and helping the down trodden.
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You're right, I'm your neighbor from the north. Obviously this election doesn't affect me as much as you. I have a great need and desire to understand what happens politically with my neighbors to the south, it still greatly affects us up here. I also think that my separation from the rat race that seems to be the race for The White House gives me an outside (and maybe more unbiased) view of it. I'm not railroaded like I'm sure you are by CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other media. Not to mention the political ads. Maybe I'm wrong but I think it gives me a lot of perspective.
Sorry to jump in here. But, don't the poor "change their situation" by getting a job? From one job, they can then get another, and another... and so on - moving up the payscale. Just my thoughts. No one "changes their situation" by getting government assistance, right?
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this is what is going to happen
Paul Ryan?:
Clearly this administration is not doing well. It sucks. He has not done what he has promised,
we are not in a better place personally or our business. The deficit is out of control,
as are taxes. The new healthcare another tax and penalty :fp:
BUT...
I like our President, personally, I think he is good in many ways for our country.
I believe 4 years is never long enough and maybe he should have 4 more for success,
as most Presidents in recent voting years.
I also would have liked a different candidate for the Republican party,
you are correct about his persona unfortunately.
BUT...
He just might be able to do what he says he can, build an economy not a government,
which is the ideal that lives in my heart.
What to do what to do?
That's good.
Yes, it's just that easy to get a job... or maybe they can just borrow money from their parents to start a company?
No one "changes their situation" by getting government assistance, but they can do trivial things like "feed their children" or "go to the doctor" or "stay in their house" after getting laid off, with government assistance.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Serious question, I'm being serious - do you really think Obama vs. Romney matters? Why?
When push comes to shove - do you think either will do drastically different things from the opponent? If so, what?
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And he's going to cut spending... not really sure what spending yet, but I'm sure there it will be something.
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
In our current economy, it's definitely harder than it once was no doubt. But, I see an awful lot of illegal immigrants finding ways to get jobs in the US. Several are cutting the lawn outside my office right now - I could wave to them. And yes, I'm positive they are illegal - I've spoken to their boss. They are cheap labor for him. He finds them at the Home Depot.
So, how do these folks do it? In my personal opinion - they work at it - they figure it out. That's not to say that it's always possible to get a job, I get that - especially now.
But, sorry...
My point stands - You don't CHANGE YOUR SITUATION .... by getting government welfare. You change it by getting a job.
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the campaign affirmed Friday that "in each year" from 1990 to 2009, "the Romneys owed both state and federal income taxes," with the federal effective rate averaging 20.2 percent. Annual charity giving averaged 13.5 percent during that period, the campaign said.
Economically, probably not in any major way. But I am far from an economic expert, and I don't pretend to be.
So if neither is going to have a major difference economically? I should vote based on social issues and foreign policy, right?
Edit: And I am not saying I am voting stricly on social issues, but I do agree things will not be completely different economically under either, although I don't agree upper class tax cuts with the middle class likely paying for them is the way to go.
how do you expect a homeless person to find a job? eat? etc etc with no help from anyone?
also.. govt provides training for job employment and interviews etc... this is all important stuff.
govt assistance doesn't make people move up the ladder gives them the basics to maintain and ATLEAST ATTEMPT to forge a decent existence.
Mitt's mantra is the people who have 'lost' in life are their because of their bad choices and the winners are rich because they worked harder and were smarter. I know people who have worked 3 jobs for their whole lives and still JUST make it.
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Serious question... are they releasing his tax forms, or just saying that his rate was 20.2%?
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Yeah, he has. Certainly an attempt to get positive news after the past week. And good, good for him. I am glad he paid what he is supposed to.
romney will increase the gap between the rich and the poor and he will tell us that a huge gap is a necessity in a decent free market society.
he will say that the investments will boost the economy which is true, the people that invent things, create successful companies etc etc will therefore support the very poor as the money will trickle down to more jobs and opportunities. he will say that the middle class will benefit from THIS because their will be more products on the market AGAIN boosting the economy. Romney will say that too much govt interference means that the typical American won't or hasn't got the drive to became more successful. I think a lot of this is correct but it has to be balanced out with well tuned welfare programs as this gives the basics to the needy who haven't yet got the resources or opportunity to move up..
Romney thinks all this because he believes that every American is born equal.. this is a fallacy and a common misconception. Obama will turn the economy around if he balances the GOP theme (mentioned above) with providing enough assistance people in immediate need.
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red and blue equally I'm sure.
Personally I don't think people should be taxed to provide excessive
aid to people or have funny money paying for it.
People help...
they give every time they hear of need. Even in these strapped times people give.
Unfortunately this money does not get to where it is needed.
A good example was what I heard happened to the money collected for the victims
of the Colorado shootings. Money that was to go to the families.
Millions collected now sit somewhere tied up and they must try,
by lawsuit, to get more than the small amount they each received. :wtf:
We have someone gettin rich off of the generosity of charitable gifts,
not just this case but countless cases.
Let's put helping others back into the hands of real people. Let's put volunteerism
and incentives to do so a number one priority. Let's stop the idea of entitlements
and have everyone work for what they receive.
No one would keep a starving child from food, resources can be made by people
for the people. Most especially true when taxes are drastically lowered,
money put back into peoples pockets so they can donate
and help others in their own communities.
Now with government involved we have obese people receiving 400$ a month
and up on food stamps.
We have fraud, abuse and this administration is attempting to bring
more onto government care than get them off.
What is wrong with that picture?
Do we think they do it for votes? Do we think they do it for power?
This wasn't a pom-pom waving question. I don't care about Mitt or Obama. I think they both suck. So, no need to bring Mitt or Obama into it - they both are IMHO horrible presidential candidates.
To answer your question, in the perfect world, personally - I would think an insurance plan of sorts for unemployment would be wise - even if it's publicly run. Although I'd prefer private. I also think if government wasn't so involved in welfare, private enterprise and charity could/would help more - as would communities - the wealthy in particular. I don't think public welfare ceasing to exist would leave a vacuum as most do - charity and private markets, people would fill the hole. I also think welfare breeds dependence - this is particularly true when run by government, and still true - but to a lesser extent when received through private enterprise or handouts. Just like my child can be misled into thinking she's entitled to this or that without working for it, so can a grown up. That's my take.
The job though. That's what gets people out. Working for your own money. Knowing that it's not easy but appreciating every cent. That's what changes people's situations.
People can have different views on how one can get the job - as both candidates do. But, anyone (not saying you did this) who acts like handouts by government are preferred to even the lowest or low jobs has entitlement issues, and is probably a spoiled brat.
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