When a person joins the military, they are put on govt insurance from day one. Their direct family members as well (wife/husband and kids). Can we consider that govt assistance? And since they pick on programs that we pay into and call that "mooching" or "dependence" on the government (ie: SS, Medicare etc), can we consider the GI Bill for service members the same thing? When I was in the service, I paid $100 a month for a year ($1200) and when I got out I was eligeable to use up to $24,000 for school. Nobody seems to pick on these types of govt programs. Why?
Not sure if you are thinking it all the way through. One is an enticement/benefit/reward to gain, keep, and reward employees. Another is seen as simply giving someone something for doing nothing in return.
Getting paid a salary and benefits by the government isn't the same. A benefit program for serving in the armed forces isn't the same as say, receiving SS because you are obese, or receiving food stamps (neither are meant to be disparaging in nature, just making examples).
Plenty of vets in in the group that Mitt trashed.
homeless vets weren't apart of the question posed. The programs like the GI bill were.
I explained the difference in theory between the programs that were equated.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
From here it kinda looks like you might be twisting his words.
I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
You watched the same video as me and this is what you interpret as whao just whao ....
I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
From here it kinda looks like you might be twisting his words.
No those who aren't voting for him, minds made up for whatever reason,
aren't listening to him Is that you too?
I'm still undecided so I listen to the entire quote and put myself there
in the moment.
I'm not alone, if one also listens to media and people on the street,
some of the Independents.
It comes down to listening unbiasedly, too bad not everyone can do that,
but there is no point when one belongs to a team already.
I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
You watched the same video as me and this is what you interpret as whao just whao ....
Of fucking course you would twist this into what he was "really" saying. Look, we all get he was talking about the campaign, voting and politics, but he also said this....
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Don't give me that fucking bullshit that this is taken out of context. How can this be taken out of context'? Please explain what he meant? And keep in mind he is talking about 47% of the American people.
I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives
Don't you wish Mitt fucking Romney and that horrible monster he married could see that?
Why is Ann Romney "a horrible monster" to you? Seems every so slightly, dramatic.
Speaking of Ann Romney, Im indifferent on her, although her convention speech, I thought. was horrible (WE LOVE WOMEN!!!). I do think it's fucking hilarious this was her message yesterday...
"Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring,"
Things are not great in Romneyland right now, huh?
I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
From here it kinda looks like you might be twisting his words.
No those who aren't voting for him, minds made up for whatever reason,
aren't listening to him Is that you too?
I'm still undecided so I listen to the entire quote and put myself there
in the moment.
I'm not alone, if one also listens to media and people on the street,
some of the Independents.
It comes down to listening unbiasedly, too bad not everyone can do that,
but there is no point when one belongs to a team already.
:nono: silly Dignin, you should know that Pandora is not a mere mortal like the rest of us. Us mortals are prone to judgements, bias, impure thoughts, and a whole host of other unflattering traits, but not Pandora.
Given some previous posts I am pretty sure I know full well who you will be voting for...
I have yet to see or hear anything concrete from the Romney camp about job creation or overall improvement of quality of life, so on that I am suprised that he could possibly have such support. But I suppose when you live in a nation who treats an election like a sporting event, anything is possible.
I have actually never seen such a large group of people vote against their own interests, it actually amazes me. No country is exempt from such a thing, but the scale with which it goes on in the US is unbelievable.
Oh and as a side note, anyone who writes off 47% of thier people which such disdain should in any rationale society not stand a chance in hell of becoming said nations leader. But again, therein lies the problem.
"let them eat cake" - I think that about sums up the thinking of some of your politicians.
Speaking of Ann Romney, Im indifferent on her, although her convention speech, I thought. was horrible (WE LOVE WOMEN!!!). I do think it's fucking hilarious this was her message yesterday...
"Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring,"
Things are not great in Romneyland right now, huh?
poor marie...if she thinks campaigning is hard, how exactly will they be able to handle being the leader of the free world? oh yeah, they won't...and this country will sink farther and farther into shit...not that i think obama will do much better but at least his message is positive
Speaking of Ann Romney, Im indifferent on her, although her convention speech, I thought. was horrible (WE LOVE WOMEN!!!). I do think it's fucking hilarious this was her message yesterday...
"Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring,"
Things are not great in Romneyland right now, huh?
poor marie...if she thinks campaigning is hard, how exactly will they be able to handle being the leader of the free world? oh yeah, they won't...and this country will sink farther and farther into shit...not that i think obama will do much better but at least his message is positive
Don't you wish Mitt fucking Romney and that horrible monster he married could see that?
Why is Ann Romney "a horrible monster" to you? Seems every so slightly, dramatic.
Speaking of Ann Romney, Im indifferent on her, although her convention speech, I thought. was horrible (WE LOVE WOMEN!!!). I do think it's fucking hilarious this was her message yesterday...
"Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring,"
Things are not great in Romneyland right now, huh?
I think she's probably right, personally. I would never ever want to involve myself or my family in a Presidential race. You have to be certifiable to do something like that. So, yeh - I bet it is hard.
I don't really have a problem with her. Not sure why anyone would ever call her a "horrible monster". That's just confusing and odd.
Eddie Vedder rejected Mitt Romney's recent characterization of 47 percent of Americans as people who see themselves as victims who don't pay income taxes. "It's very upsetting to hear a presidential candidate be so easily dismissive of such a ginormous amount of the population," Vedder said yesterday at a fundraiser for President Obama in Tampa, Florida, according to a pool report passed along by The Hollywood Reporter.
Vedder, who played a short set for Obama at the home of singer-songwriter Don Miggs and Lisa DeBartolo (daughter of former San Francisco 49ers owenr Eddie DeBartolo Jr.), shared his own story of how government programs helped him.
"I'm an example of someone who never made it to university," Vedder told the small crowd. "I did have this dream to be a musician. I felt that this dream had an expiration date."
Vedder went on to recall signing up for a government security guard training program, which led to a midnight shift and position as security supervisor at a petroleum company.
"It was that job which allowed me to keep affording to guitars and microphones," the Pearl Jam frontman said. "For me, it all began with that ability to get the proper training for a decent job."
Vedder then introduced President Obama, who thanked the musician. "For you to share that story with us, Eddie, speaks volumes not only about you but about this country," Obama said. "That story captures better than anything what this campaign is about and what this country is about."
Vedder's four-song set on mandolin comprised "Rise," "Without You," a cover of James Taylor's "Millworker" and Neil Young's "Rockin' in the Free World."
"I can't say I've ever played that many songs in a suit before," Vedder said to the 85 guests, who paid $20,000 each for the dinner event.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
From here it kinda looks like you might be twisting his words.
No those who aren't voting for him, minds made up for whatever reason,
aren't listening to him Is that you too?
I'm still undecided so I listen to the entire quote and put myself there
in the moment.
I'm not alone, if one also listens to media and people on the street,
some of the Independents.
It comes down to listening unbiasedly, too bad not everyone can do that,
but there is no point when one belongs to a team already.
Once again, only Pandora can listen to things unbiasedly... :roll:
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Eddie Vedder rejected Mitt Romney's recent characterization of 47 percent of Americans as people who see themselves as victims who don't pay income taxes. "It's very upsetting to hear a presidential candidate be so easily dismissive of such a ginormous amount of the population," Vedder said yesterday at a fundraiser for President Obama in Tampa, Florida, according to a pool report passed along by The Hollywood Reporter.
Vedder, who played a short set for Obama at the home of singer-songwriter Don Miggs and Lisa DeBartolo (daughter of former San Francisco 49ers owenr Eddie DeBartolo Jr.), shared his own story of how government programs helped him.
"I'm an example of someone who never made it to university," Vedder told the small crowd. "I did have this dream to be a musician. I felt that this dream had an expiration date."
Vedder went on to recall signing up for a government security guard training program, which led to a midnight shift and position as security supervisor at a petroleum company.
"It was that job which allowed me to keep affording to guitars and microphones," the Pearl Jam frontman said. "For me, it all began with that ability to get the proper training for a decent job."
Vedder then introduced President Obama, who thanked the musician. "For you to share that story with us, Eddie, speaks volumes not only about you but about this country," Obama said. "That story captures better than anything what this campaign is about and what this country is about."
Vedder's four-song set on mandolin comprised "Rise," "Without You," a cover of James Taylor's "Millworker" and Neil Young's "Rockin' in the Free World."
"I can't say I've ever played that many songs in a suit before," Vedder said to the 85 guests, who paid $20,000 each for the dinner event.
I think she's probably right, personally. I would never ever want to involve myself or my family in a Presidential race. You have to be certifiable to do something like that. So, yeh - I bet it is hard.
I don't really have a problem with her. Not sure why anyone would ever call her a "horrible monster". That's just confusing and odd.
I'm sure it's very hard and not a job I would have any interest in. But that's what she and her husband signed up for though. You didn't hear Michelle complaining when people were calling Obama a Muslim Socialist Marxist American Hating Terrorist Not Born In America. Um, lady, people are criticizing your husband for calling 47% of the country moochers because of what HE said. Deal with it.
I can't believe people won't understand the point of Romney's message,
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
You watched the same video as me and this is what you interpret as whao just whao ....
Of fucking course you would twist this into what he was "really" saying. Look, we all get he was talking about the campaign, voting and politics, but he also said this....
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Don't give me that fucking bullshit that this is taken out of context. How can this be taken out of context'? Please explain what he meant? And keep in mind he is talking about 47% of the American people.
I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives
There is a movement taking place in our country to depend on the government.
For retirement, healthcare, food, housing, education ...
I see it in my own children and others in their age group, they are saying
" some are getting whats entitled to them, I am not"
my answer ... 'the government owes you nothing you must earn what you get.'
I was raised not to live off the government.
This is what Romney is speaking of, this movement, one where people
feel entitled, one where the government solves all problems.
One where those working are taxed to a breaking point providing for others.
And yes it includes everyone on some sort of government aid because
they are all part of the problem. The problem is ...
we can not afford entitlement.
We need an economy where people work pure and simple.
Everyone works are not taxed and the money goes
back into the country through healthy spending, home buying
etc... not to the government.
I find it ironic that food stamps are at a sky high level and the country is obese.
What does this say about the this system of entitlement. Take take take...
name of the game everyone's doing it :fp:
Of fucking course you would twist this into what he was "really" saying. Look, we all get he was talking about the campaign, voting and politics, but he also said this....
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Don't give me that fucking bullshit that this is taken out of context. How can this be taken out of context'? Please explain what he meant? And keep in mind he is talking about 47% of the American people.
I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives
There is a movement taking place in our country to depend on the government.
For retirement, healthcare, food, housing, education ...
I see it in my own children and others in their age group, they are saying
" some are getting whats entitled to them, I am not"
my answer ... 'the government owes you nothing you must earn what you get.'
I was raised not to live off the government.
This is what Romney is speaking of, this movement, one where people
feel entitled, one where the government solves all problems.
One where those working are taxed to a breaking point providing for others.
And yes it includes everyone on some sort of government aid because
they are all part of the problem. The problem is ...
we can not afford entitlement.
We need an economy where people work pure and simple.
Everyone works are not taxed and the money goes
back into the country through healthy spending, home buying
etc... not to the government.
I find it ironic that food stamps are at a sky high level and the country is obese.
What does this say about the this system of entitlement. Take take take...
name of the game everyone's doing it :fp:
You seem to be drastically simplifying society. According to what you write, you see two groups... people who don't want or need anything from the government, and people who are solely dependent on the government. In reality, the vast majority of the population don't fall in that group at all.
Even people who aren't in the "47%" were in there at one time (whether they know it or not), or will be at some point. Almost no one is fortunate enough to make it through life without at some point needing the help of some government program.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Comments
Romney's Mom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2duipFPGeY
homeless vets weren't apart of the question posed. The programs like the GI bill were.
I explained the difference in theory between the programs that were equated.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Saw that on The Daily Show, I think. Pretty amazing that Romney was helped by welfare just like Reagan's parents. Dirty moochers!
Not so. I will be paying income taxes to my dying day.
You will never accept social security? You'll never have you income fall below $20k? You'll never get in an accident and need to go on disability?
Are you planning on dying soon?
Sorry, but you didn't make it, you earned it. Only the US mint in this country makes money.
this happens so often, twist words, take out of context,
quote part and leave the real message to be lost, all out of pure bias.
Out of let's just bitch, people do that so well.
He was pointing out that those not interested in lowering taxes,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
Those who have bought votes, that are in entitlement programs
and those in earned benefits programs,
he can not influence, he will not get their votes.
That those few percentage of votes that are Independent,
that do not vote down party lines,
that are not on government programs,
is where he plans on putting his energy to take the election.
He was speaking to his constituents about strategy.
It is not how he plans on running the country, turning his back on half.
He believes that his plan will help everyone because it will help the economy.
Is he right? we won't know unless he is elected so we may never know.
Seeing Obama from the past and his redistribution beliefs,
I see why he has moved the country to where it is.
Personally I don't believe in that but mainly we see that does not work.
How? ... an estimated 20 Trillion debt by 2016 :wtf:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/repo ... histo5.htm
how it's grown since 2000
Obama promised to lower the debt, that's a fact. He promised a lot,
that's what politicians do,
ideally they would believe in their own promises but do they just have to want to win?
unfortunately with empty promises the people don't win.
From here it kinda looks like you might be twisting his words.
You watched the same video as me and this is what you interpret as whao just whao ....
aren't listening to him
I'm still undecided so I listen to the entire quote and put myself there
in the moment.
I'm not alone, if one also listens to media and people on the street,
some of the Independents.
It comes down to listening unbiasedly, too bad not everyone can do that,
but there is no point when one belongs to a team already.
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Don't give me that fucking bullshit that this is taken out of context. How can this be taken out of context'? Please explain what he meant? And keep in mind he is talking about 47% of the American people.
I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives
Why is Ann Romney "a horrible monster" to you? Seems every so slightly, dramatic.
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Speaking of Ann Romney, Im indifferent on her, although her convention speech, I thought. was horrible (WE LOVE WOMEN!!!). I do think it's fucking hilarious this was her message yesterday...
"Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring,"
Things are not great in Romneyland right now, huh?
:nono: silly Dignin, you should know that Pandora is not a mere mortal like the rest of us. Us mortals are prone to judgements, bias, impure thoughts, and a whole host of other unflattering traits, but not Pandora.
Given some previous posts I am pretty sure I know full well who you will be voting for...
I have yet to see or hear anything concrete from the Romney camp about job creation or overall improvement of quality of life, so on that I am suprised that he could possibly have such support. But I suppose when you live in a nation who treats an election like a sporting event, anything is possible.
I have actually never seen such a large group of people vote against their own interests, it actually amazes me. No country is exempt from such a thing, but the scale with which it goes on in the US is unbelievable.
Oh and as a side note, anyone who writes off 47% of thier people which such disdain should in any rationale society not stand a chance in hell of becoming said nations leader. But again, therein lies the problem.
"let them eat cake" - I think that about sums up the thinking of some of your politicians.
poor marie...if she thinks campaigning is hard, how exactly will they be able to handle being the leader of the free world? oh yeah, they won't...and this country will sink farther and farther into shit...not that i think obama will do much better but at least his message is positive
Ha, right. This is the easy part.
I think she's probably right, personally. I would never ever want to involve myself or my family in a Presidential race. You have to be certifiable to do something like that. So, yeh - I bet it is hard.
I don't really have a problem with her. Not sure why anyone would ever call her a "horrible monster". That's just confusing and odd.
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Vedder, who played a short set for Obama at the home of singer-songwriter Don Miggs and Lisa DeBartolo (daughter of former San Francisco 49ers owenr Eddie DeBartolo Jr.), shared his own story of how government programs helped him.
"I'm an example of someone who never made it to university," Vedder told the small crowd. "I did have this dream to be a musician. I felt that this dream had an expiration date."
Vedder went on to recall signing up for a government security guard training program, which led to a midnight shift and position as security supervisor at a petroleum company.
"It was that job which allowed me to keep affording to guitars and microphones," the Pearl Jam frontman said. "For me, it all began with that ability to get the proper training for a decent job."
Vedder then introduced President Obama, who thanked the musician. "For you to share that story with us, Eddie, speaks volumes not only about you but about this country," Obama said. "That story captures better than anything what this campaign is about and what this country is about."
Vedder's four-song set on mandolin comprised "Rise," "Without You," a cover of James Taylor's "Millworker" and Neil Young's "Rockin' in the Free World."
"I can't say I've ever played that many songs in a suit before," Vedder said to the 85 guests, who paid $20,000 each for the dinner event.
Once again, only Pandora can listen to things unbiasedly... :roll:
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Wait - Ed worked for an oil company? :?
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To be fair, both the president and Romney have been somewhat divisive.
(just like us reg'lar folks!)
I'm sure it's very hard and not a job I would have any interest in. But that's what she and her husband signed up for though. You didn't hear Michelle complaining when people were calling Obama a Muslim Socialist Marxist American Hating Terrorist Not Born In America. Um, lady, people are criticizing your husband for calling 47% of the country moochers because of what HE said. Deal with it.
I didn't say I agreed with that statement.
I know that's my spinglish
For retirement, healthcare, food, housing, education ...
I see it in my own children and others in their age group, they are saying
" some are getting whats entitled to them, I am not"
my answer ... 'the government owes you nothing you must earn what you get.'
I was raised not to live off the government.
This is what Romney is speaking of, this movement, one where people
feel entitled, one where the government solves all problems.
One where those working are taxed to a breaking point providing for others.
And yes it includes everyone on some sort of government aid because
they are all part of the problem. The problem is ...
we can not afford entitlement.
We need an economy where people work pure and simple.
Everyone works are not taxed and the money goes
back into the country through healthy spending, home buying
etc... not to the government.
I find it ironic that food stamps are at a sky high level and the country is obese.
What does this say about the this system of entitlement. Take take take...
name of the game everyone's doing it :fp:
Divisive? Us, here?
No, you're wrong WRONG WRONG!! :evil:
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You seem to be drastically simplifying society. According to what you write, you see two groups... people who don't want or need anything from the government, and people who are solely dependent on the government. In reality, the vast majority of the population don't fall in that group at all.
Even people who aren't in the "47%" were in there at one time (whether they know it or not), or will be at some point. Almost no one is fortunate enough to make it through life without at some point needing the help of some government program.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln