U.S. embassy in Cairo apologizes

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

Where is the Presidents statement? Certainly shows Bushes 9 minute delay on 9/11 was a very minimal time delay....

The president made a statement last night. Do you not have a google machine in your house?

And the two events aren't compatible. Bush sat there reading a book to kids while his own country was under attack. He did nothing. People weren't waiting for him to "make a statement," they were waiti for the leader of the country to maybe start a plan of action.

The president HAS been doing quite a bit... Just not tap dancing for you. And good for him.

aerial

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

aerial wrote:

Where is the Presidents statement? Certainly shows Bushes 9 minute delay on 9/11 was a very minimal time delay....

The president made a statement last night. Do you not have a google machine in your house?

And the two events aren't compatible. Bush sat there reading a book to kids while his own country was under attack. He did nothing. People weren't waiting for him to "make a statement," they were waiti for the leader of the country to maybe start a plan of action.

The president HAS been doing quite a bit... Just not tap dancing for you. And good for him.

So maybe you could have posted the statement instead of attacking me.....
And what is Obama doing? besides apologizing and snubbing our allies....got-a-link on that please....

aerial

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

aerial wrote:

Here is the statement released Tuesday by the U.S. embassy, in its entirety:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

And again, you fail to mention that this statement was posted BEFORE the attacks. It had to do with a film that was made intentionally to provoke and stir up trouble. And released right now to cause trouble for our current president but has backfired and underscored just how pathetic and desperate The GOP is for a sound byte that doesn't make mitt Romney look like... Well, Sarah Palin.

There was no "apology" and -contrary to what Mitt Rimeny and Reince Prebus say - the president didn't "sympathize" with the terrorists.

Honestly... Are you not even able to attempt to report a bit of fact with your spin!

The guy that made the film says he made it to show the hypocritical actions in the Muslim religion (fanatical Muslims I am assuming). That is his right here in America.

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

So maybe you could have posted the statement instead of attacking me.....
And what is Obama doing? besides apologizing and snubbing our allies....got-a-link on that please....

Oh dear... Do you feel attacked? And here I thought you were a big boy.

Silly me.


Ok, here's how it works... If you start a thread saying that the US Embassy apologized to someone... The onus is on you to actually post the phantom apology. You haven't done that. And in fact...what you have posted has been torn to bits. So you're not really in a position to demand links.

And now in THAT post you said the president apologized AND snubbed allies but didn't provide a link for THAT, either... And in a post where you demand a link from me.

You're really bad at this,

But here you go...

President Barack Obama ordered increased security to protect U.S. diplomatic personnel around world. He's been very busy and active actually addressing the problem but not grandstanding on Twitter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mid ... story.html

“I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. Right now, the American people have the families of those we lost in our thoughts and prayers. They exemplified America’s commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe, and stand in stark contrast to those who callously took their lives.

I have directed my Administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe. While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.

On a personal note, Chris was a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States. Throughout the Libyan revolution, he selflessly served our country and the Libyan people at our mission in Benghazi. As Ambassador in Tripoli, he has supported Libya’s transition to democracy. His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. I am profoundly grateful for his service to my Administration, and deeply saddened by this loss.

The brave Americans we lost represent the extraordinary service and sacrifices that our civilians make every day around the globe. As we stand united with their families, let us now redouble our own efforts to carry their work forward.”

Please point out the "apology" in that statement and the snubs you mentioned.

Or admit you don't know what you're talking about,

Your turn.

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

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The guy that made the film says he made it to show the hypocritical actions in the Muslim religion (fanatical Muslims I am assuming). That is his right here in America.

Yeah. I'm sure that's why he did it.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

aerial wrote:

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The guy that made the film says he made it to show the hypocritical actions in the Muslim religion (fanatical Muslims I am assuming). That is his right here in America.

Yeah. I'm sure that's why he did it.

What was the true purpose? To get them to show their true colors? It sure as hell worked. Most religions are dumb. All have been dangerous at different times and to different people. Right now, Islam is very dangerous.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

What was the true purpose? To get them to show their true colors? It sure as hell worked. Most religions are dumb. All have been dangerous at different times and to different people. Right now, Islam is very dangerous.

To be fair, my family has been targeted by catholics and morons more than islamics but I agree that religion is dangerous. And pointless.

One thing to remember is that the angry mobs of people attacking the embassies aren't average working middle class people. In many cases, we're talking about desperately poor people with little understanding about the world who feel backed into a corner.

I'm not defending them or "apologizing" to them or sympathizing with them... But I'm saying that the middle class family down the street who are Muslim are probably not going to be a danger to you anymore than you are to them.

inmytree

aerial wrote:

Here is the statement released Tuesday by the U.S. embassy, in its entirety:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

how the hell is this an "apology"....?

as I read it, it says we don't like the bullshit spewed by those who hate a particular religion...

I know you hate O-bama so much that you can taste it, but this is not an apology...

aerial

inmytree wrote:

aerial wrote:

Here is the statement released Tuesday by the U.S. embassy, in its entirety:

The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.

how the hell is this an "apology"....?

as I read it, it says we don't like the bullshit spewed by those who hate a particular religion...

I know you hate O-bama so much that you can taste it, but this is not an apology...

http://washingtonexaminer.com/radicals- ... FCS9o0ipSx

Yes I know you will not agree...just wanted to post it since Dork was asking for it....let it be known that I do not work for this paper and have no influence there.......

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

To be fair, my family has been targeted by catholics and morons more than islamics but I agree that religion is dangerous. And pointless.

Been attacked by rockets?

It's like Islam is 1000 years behind christianity.

cincybearcat

On cnn.com this is posted on the front page...

"Islam film blamed for protests"

Really? Really? Let's call it like it is religious nutjobs of the muslim faith acting irresponsibly, putting people's lives in danger because they are religious nutjobs of the muslim faith. Movie caused it? Really? Please.

Don't be scared to tell it like it is. Honestly, I would pull out of the countries and stop ALL AID immediately. Goodbye shit world. You wanna live like animals, go ahead.

It's pathetic that the US embassy has to release that statement about the movie. It should have read...

"It's a fucking movie you nutjobs, get over it. You have more important things to worry about like why it's ok to abuse women and even kill them for what you refer to as "honor". Now you are critics of a movie? Really? Douchebags."

whygohome

Misleading thread title. Pointless arguments where chest bumping opinions take precedence over facts.

Someone please close this thread.

cincybearcat

whygohome wrote:

Misleading thread title. Pointless arguments where chest bumping opinions take precedence over facts.

Someone please close this thread.

Looks like we have a new moderator.

I'm combining the Cairo events and the attack in Lybia because they have all been "due to" a movie.

inmytree

cincybearcat wrote:

whygohome wrote:

Misleading thread title. Pointless arguments where chest bumping opinions take precedence over facts.

Someone please close this thread.

Looks like we have a new moderator.

I'm combining the Cairo events and the attack in Lybia because they have all been "due to" a movie.

if the attacks weren't due to a movie, what where the reasons for the attacks...?

Prince Of Dorkness

Areil seems alone on this one....

Republican blowhards abandon Mitt in droves...

Unless the Romney campaign has gamed this crisis out in some manner completely invisible to the Gang of 500, his doubling down on criticism of the President for the statement coming out of Cairo is likely to be seen as one of the most craven and ill-advised tactical moves in this entire campaign. - Mark Halpern

"And just calling it a 'disgrace' doesnt really cut it. Not ready for prime time."

"It revealed yet again that his foreign policy team is not ready for prime time," - David Rothkopf

"They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it’s just completely blown up," said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an "utter disaster" and a "Lehman moment" — a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader.

"He's not doing himself any favors." - Peggy Noonan

"I guess we see now that it is because they’re incompetent at talking effectively about foreign policy. This is just unbelievable — when they decide to play on it they completely bungle it." - Bill Kristol

"Romney blew it and revealed how seriously maladroit he is when it comes to foreign affairs and national security. An attack on an Embassy, the murder of US officials including an Ambassador, is an attack on all Americans and the idea of America"

"Romney gave terrorists what they want – a divided country still torn emotionally and politically by the events of 9-11. Romney talks of leadership but with his reckless commentary when events were fragile and still unfolding, he belly-flopped." - Steve Clemons, the founder of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/foreig ... romney-cai

cincybearcat

inmytree wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

whygohome wrote:

Misleading thread title. Pointless arguments where chest bumping opinions take precedence over facts.

Someone please close this thread.

Looks like we have a new moderator.

I'm combining the Cairo events and the attack in Lybia because they have all been "due to" a movie.

if the attacks weren't due to a movie, what where the reasons for the attacks...?

Like always, because their religion has messed up their heads. That;s the reason....their religion.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

Like always, because their religion has messed up their heads. That;s the reason....their religion.

It's why when someone pushes their own religion too far ahead of them, I never trust them

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Areil seems alone on this one....

Republican blowhards abandon Mitt in droves...

Unless the Romney campaign has gamed this crisis out in some manner completely invisible to the Gang of 500, his doubling down on criticism of the President for the statement coming out of Cairo is likely to be seen as one of the most craven and ill-advised tactical moves in this entire campaign. - Mark Halpern

"And just calling it a 'disgrace' doesnt really cut it. Not ready for prime time."

"It revealed yet again that his foreign policy team is not ready for prime time," - David Rothkopf

"They were just trying to score a cheap news cycle hit based on the embassy statement and now it’s just completely blown up," said a very senior Republican foreign policy hand, who called the statement an "utter disaster" and a "Lehman moment" — a parallel to the moment when John McCain, amid the 2008 financial crisis, failed to come across as a steady leader.

"He's not doing himself any favors." - Peggy Noonan

"I guess we see now that it is because they’re incompetent at talking effectively about foreign policy. This is just unbelievable — when they decide to play on it they completely bungle it." - Bill Kristol

"Romney blew it and revealed how seriously maladroit he is when it comes to foreign affairs and national security. An attack on an Embassy, the murder of US officials including an Ambassador, is an attack on all Americans and the idea of America"

"Romney gave terrorists what they want – a divided country still torn emotionally and politically by the events of 9-11. Romney talks of leadership but with his reckless commentary when events were fragile and still unfolding, he belly-flopped." - Steve Clemons, the founder of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/foreig ... romney-cai

I'd agree. I'd also say that Obama's foreign policy has been .... lacking. It;s too bad we don;t have a strong leader that has a brain.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Like always, because their religion has messed up their heads. That;s the reason....their religion.

It's why when someone pushes their own religion too far ahead of them, I never trust them

Yep, and I certainly understand that other religions torment others...which is why I said all religions.

It's fine for it to be personal. But that is where it should stay.

inmytree

cincybearcat wrote:

Like always, because their religion has messed up their heads. That;s the reason....their religion.

I kinda agree, however I would make a blanket statement and say that religion in general was a major cause...