Chicago Public School Teachers on Strike...

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SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

81 wrote:

at least get it right you blithering idiot

In all honesty..
I truly wanted to know who paid for the pretty red shirts.

The teachers themselves?
The union?
Combination of both?
You?
Me?

It was an honest question.

i would assume the union leaders arranged it, with all funding being paid by teacher's union dues.

perhaps if we lowered union dues, schools would have more money for schooling :corn:

of course, union dues are paid from their salary, which is tax funded....so you could say the tax payer paid for those shirts. :corn:

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Well, I've been called much worse without having my feelings hurt. Earlier you were talking pretty tough with the 'I better not be driving by any of those picketing idiots or they'll be taking me away in cuffs' comment. Didn't think much of my response to be honest- I was kind of coming down to your level- you had been spouting off a ton of hate-filled, non-objective stuff. It got to be a little much for me.

Its all good my friend.
I really dont take this place all that serious.
But the mods do!! hehehe

Again..
Its all good..
Just another day on the Pearl Jam Message pit...

SPEEDY MCCREADY

So someone please fill me in..
Another question from the 'fricken idiot"

Where do the chicago public school children rank nationwide?
As far as testing?
Reading levels?
Math scores?
8th grade overall?
12th grade overall?
Where do the school children rank?

And then one more question from the "fricken idiot"

Where do the TEACHERS rank as far as average salary, nationwide?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

81 wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

81 wrote:

at least get it right you blithering idiot

In all honesty..
I truly wanted to know who paid for the pretty red shirts.

The teachers themselves?
The union?
Combination of both?
You?
Me?

It was an honest question.

i would assume the union leaders arranged it, with all funding being paid by teacher's union dues.

perhaps if we lowered union dues, schools would have more money for schooling :corn:

of course, union dues are paid from their salary, which is tax funded....so you could say the tax payer paid for those shirts. :corn:

Look at that.
Thank you.
My honest question gets JUST THE ANSWER I was looking for.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... pbXinczLMg

I remember these days...
I remember them well....
How much has changed in the past 20 years?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

On the most recent federal skills test, Chicago students fared worse than students in many other urban districts, such as Austin, Texas, and New York, although they did slightly better than students in Los Angeles and Washington.

In math, fourth-graders in Chicago scored 224, below the big-city average of 233 and the national average of 240 on the National Assessment of Educational Progress. In reading, Chicago fourth-graders scored 203, compared with an average big-city score of 211 and well below the national average of 220. Results were similar for eighth-graders.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

20,000 ridiculous red shirts...At $10 a piece?
20,000 picket signs..At $1 a piece?
Re-routing public transportation
Law enforcement needed to manage crowd control
Closing down the Loop
The parents who were forced to miss work yesterday
The parents who had no choice but to spend money, for some type of care for their children, so that the parents could go to work

Those teachers had a BIG DAY Yesterday!
Didnt they?

cincybearcat

cornnifer wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

cornnifer wrote:

i asked how you suggest handling that because test scores is a b.s method of doing that.

Why?

Now, it shouldn't be the only thing, but shouldn't it be part of it? Why are you teaching them?

i'm teaching them to help them become successful members of society. Certainly not to pass a test. Secondly many factors come in to play. The students at my school tend to perform horribly on the state tests and it has little to do with the efforts, hard work, dedication, skill or professionalism of myself or any other teacher in my school. Its completely unfair to assess my performance based on these test scores.

I really don't get this. Lots of jobs people depend on their abilities to get others to do something in order to be successful. They don;t have total control, but they have some. An operations manager relies on people to perform to meet goals. If they don't, that ops manager loses his/her job. Safety manager relies on everyone making the right choice all the time. They don;t even pay the people's salaries and still has to figure out how to influence them to do the right thing. They don't, that safety manager loses his/her job.

Why should a teacher be different? Why shouldnt they be held accountable? Obviously lots of measures to consider, but the success rate of the kids is certainly an important one.

81

bring in the replacement teachers.

plenty of substitute teachers across the country with the day off...bring em to chicago

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cincybearcat wrote:

Why should a teacher be different? Why shouldnt they be held accountable? Obviously lots of measures to consider, but the success rate of the kids is certainly an important one.

it's the pussification of america....where everyone gets a trophy.

riotgrl

cincybearcat wrote:

cornnifer wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Why?

Now, it shouldn't be the only thing, but shouldn't it be part of it? Why are you teaching them?

i'm teaching them to help them become successful members of society. Certainly not to pass a test. Secondly many factors come in to play. The students at my school tend to perform horribly on the state tests and it has little to do with the efforts, hard work, dedication, skill or professionalism of myself or any other teacher in my school. Its completely unfair to assess my performance based on these test scores.

I really don't get this. Lots of jobs people depend on their abilities to get others to do something in order to be successful. They don;t have total control, but they have some. An operations manager relies on people to perform to meet goals. If they don't, that ops manager loses his/her job. Safety manager relies on everyone making the right choice all the time. They don;t even pay the people's salaries and still has to figure out how to influence them to do the right thing. They don't, that safety manager loses his/her job.

Why should a teacher be different? Why shouldnt they be held accountable? Obviously lots of measures to consider, but the success rate of the kids is certainly an important one.

Agreed, but its not just the operations or safety manager that loses their job, right? Wouldn't the employee that didn't live up to their job responsbilities also lose their job? I won't speak for anyone else but I am ok with being held accountable for my students achievement but I also think the students should be held accountable and, at least in my state, they usually are not.

Cliffy6745

I think a lot of the younger generation teachers are perfectly fine with accountability and want it. Half my college soccer team turned out to be teachers and are disgusted with the tenure and performance of some of the teachers they work with.

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Cliffy6745 wrote:

I think a lot of the younger generation teachers are perfectly fine with accountability and want it. Half my college soccer team turned out to be teachers and are disgusted with the tenure and performance of some of the teachers they work with.

i think every young teacher says that......then they become old and don't care. maybe that's why they can retire after 25 years

Cliffy6745

81 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I think a lot of the younger generation teachers are perfectly fine with accountability and want it. Half my college soccer team turned out to be teachers and are disgusted with the tenure and performance of some of the teachers they work with.

i think every young teacher says that......then they become old and don't care. maybe that's why they can retire after 25 years

I have no clue. I can't comment on this.

Cliffy6745

So how about the question I briefly raised yesterday. Why are we building schools in Afghanistan but closing them in Philly/Chicago/DC?

cincybearcat

Cliffy6745 wrote:

So how about the question I briefly raised yesterday. Why are we building schools in Afghanistan but closing them in Philly/Chicago/DC?

Cheaper teachers.

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cincybearcat wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

So how about the question I briefly raised yesterday. Why are we building schools in Afghanistan but closing them in Philly/Chicago/DC?

Cheaper teachers.

Cliffy6745

cincybearcat wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

So how about the question I briefly raised yesterday. Why are we building schools in Afghanistan but closing them in Philly/Chicago/DC?

Cheaper teachers.

81

Cliffy6745 wrote:

So how about the question I briefly raised yesterday. Why are we building schools in Afghanistan but closing them in Philly/Chicago/DC?

makes the US look better on the international stage.

Cliffy6745

81 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

So how about the question I briefly raised yesterday. Why are we building schools in Afghanistan but closing them in Philly/Chicago/DC?

makes the US look better on the international stage.

Probably true, and if the case pretty sad that educating others is more important than educating our own for PR. How about nation building at home?