if biden is so bad how has he continued to win elections and represent his constituents for so long? i voted for him in the primary over clinton and obama. he had a better platform in the primary.
Honestly, you don't see any other really bad stupid politicians that manage to stay in congress for a long time? Really? Being elected makes you smart?
Biden says dumb things but is a very intelligent politician and did have an excellent platform in the primaries.
He also was the only one with a decent plan on what to do with Iraq.
Can't wait to hear Romney/Ryan's foreign plans. Neither of them know shit about anything besides the tired right wing neo-con cliches.
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After that rather desperate selective editing, Romney and his clueless campaign staff produced a commercial with Jack Gilchrist of Gilchrist Metal Fabricating talking about how he and his father created the company.
Except Gilchrist Metal received $800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds issued by the New Hampshire Business Finance Authority to set up a manufacturing plant and buy new equipment.
I'm not sure you really know much about business. $800,000 doesn't buy shit in equipment. That must be one small business.
And think the president has it 100% backwards. But it all depends on how you look at it. Without business we don;t need all that shit. Without the roads, etc you wouldn't have a successful business.
But the government taking credit for business because of some roads and tax breaks is like Sony taking credit for Pearl Jam. Sure they helped, but without the talent....
oddly enough we agree....you can't have one without the other...we need both...businesses need gov't and gov't needs businesses....
in other words...."we built that"....
an aside: this we built that thing has that damn Jefferson Starship song in my head....We build this city....on Rock and Roooool....whoooo
Biden says dumb things but is a very intelligent politician and did have an excellent platform in the primaries.
He also was the only one with a decent plan on what to do with Iraq.
Can't wait to hear Romney/Ryan's foreign plans. Neither of them know shit about anything besides the tired right wing neo-con cliches.
exactly. he has a few gaffes every once in awhile. he still manages to win elections, be on important committees, and he was integral in the plans to raid the bin laden compound.
in the primaries he had a very solid platform. more solid than any of the other dems. he did have a detailed plan to exit iraq, and obama has used part of that plan, but not as aggressively as biden said he would have been.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I'm not sure you really know much about business. $800,000 doesn't buy shit in equipment. That must be one small business.
Hm. I don't know much about business. Shit, I better fire my gardener.
While $800,000 might not buy "shit equipment," nobody said that the government paid for the whole thing. He clearly worked hard and was successful. Nobody claimed otherwise.
But they DID give close to $1 million in grants and they DID pay for the electrical power lines, the water, the roads... and they did it with American tax payers money. Those of us who paid taxes, anyway. So he didn't make the entire infrastructure that helped him become successful.
But the government taking credit for business because of some roads and tax breaks is like Sony taking credit for Pearl Jam. Sure they helped, but without the talent....
And I guess this is where I say "I don't really think you know much about the English Language" because nobody, the president included, said that the government was taking credit for the work he'd done or the business he built.
The president was talking about how we all need to contribute to the mechanisms that build and support businesses and our economy. Those "job creator" tax cuts for billionaires clearly didn't create jobs. Jobs aren't just created by billionaires spending money to just randomly open a business. There is an infrastructure that we need to even get going.
I'm not sure you really know much about business. $800,000 doesn't buy shit in equipment. That must be one small business.
Hm. I don't know much about business. Shit, I better fire my gardener.
While $800,000 might not buy "shit equipment," nobody said that the government paid for the whole thing. He clearly worked hard and was successful. Nobody claimed otherwise.
But they DID give close to $1 million in grants and they DID pay for the electrical power lines, the water, the roads... and they did it with American tax payers money. Those of us who paid taxes, anyway. So he didn't make the entire infrastructure that helped him become successful.
But the government taking credit for business because of some roads and tax breaks is like Sony taking credit for Pearl Jam. Sure they helped, but without the talent....
And I guess this is where I say "I don't really think you know much about the English Language" because nobody, the president included, said that the government was taking credit for the work he'd done or the business he built.
The president was talking about how we all need to contribute to the mechanisms that build and support businesses and our economy. Those "job creator" tax cuts for billionaires clearly didn't create jobs. Jobs aren't just created by billionaires spending money to just randomly open a business. There is an infrastructure that we need to even get going.
I'm not sure you really know much about business. $800,000 doesn't buy shit in equipment. That must be one small business.
Hm. I don't know much about business. Shit, I better fire my gardener.
While $800,000 might not buy "shit equipment," nobody said that the government paid for the whole thing. He clearly worked hard and was successful. Nobody claimed otherwise.
But they DID give close to $1 million in grants and they DID pay for the electrical power lines, the water, the roads... and they did it with American tax payers money. Those of us who paid taxes, anyway. So he didn't make the entire infrastructure that helped him become successful.
But the government taking credit for business because of some roads and tax breaks is like Sony taking credit for Pearl Jam. Sure they helped, but without the talent....
And I guess this is where I say "I don't really think you know much about the English Language" because nobody, the president included, said that the government was taking credit for the work he'd done or the business he built.
The president was talking about how we all need to contribute to the mechanisms that build and support businesses and our economy. Those "job creator" tax cuts for billionaires clearly didn't create jobs. Jobs aren't just created by billionaires spending money to just randomly open a business. There is an infrastructure that we need to even get going.
Ah prince, don't take offense. I know you own you're own business.
I know the American language just fine. Again, raising income taxes on the super wealthy is about the dumbest idea I have heard. Clearly, Mr. president doesn't understand how the truly wealthy live or earn more money.
I know the American language just fine. Again, raising income taxes on the super wealthy is about the dumbest idea I have heard. Clearly, Mr. president doesn't understand how the truly wealthy live or earn more money.
(not to nitpick but "american" isn't a language. sorry. I had to mention that.)
I have to say that NOT taxing the people who have the money was the dumbest idea I've ever heard and for proof I offer you the last 10 years.
Giving tax cuts to billionaires for being "job creators" was dumb. Very dumb. Billionaires don't just randomly open businesses because they have a spare few million laying about. They don't spent any money they don't NEED to spend and they sock the rest of it away in bank accounts and forget about it.
So those tax cuts didn't create any jobs because there was no incentive for them to do anything with it other than put it in a bank in Switzerland. Which is what they did with it.
And virtually all businesses would't exist without the government.
Is this that weird paradox game?
Like... without war.. we cannot have peace?
Nope. In order for a government to take in tax revenue and spend, creating infrastructure and blah blah blah... some sort of economic activity (business) needs to be the predecessor. That's where they get their money for their existence.
Nope. In order for a government to take in tax revenue and spend, creating infrastructure and blah blah blah... some sort of economic activity (business) needs to be the predecessor. That's where they get their money for their existence.
Very true.
And without that infrastructure, most businesses would be unable to even start.
It's what we call a symbiotic relationship. Both sides needing the other.
So when business suddenly wants to just stop their side of the bargain... what do you think would happen?
I know the American language just fine. Again, raising income taxes on the super wealthy is about the dumbest idea I have heard. Clearly, Mr. president doesn't understand how the truly wealthy live or earn more money.
(not to nitpick but "american" isn't a language. sorry. I had to mention that.)
Hahaha, I was messing with you. I see that it worked!
I know the American language just fine. Again, raising income taxes on the super wealthy is about the dumbest idea I have heard. Clearly, Mr. president doesn't understand how the truly wealthy live or earn more money.
(not to nitpick but "american" isn't a language. sorry. I had to mention that.)
I have to say that NOT taxing the people who have the money was the dumbest idea I've ever heard and for proof I offer you the last 10 years.
Giving tax cuts to billionaires for being "job creators" was dumb. Very dumb. Billionaires don't just randomly open businesses because they have a spare few million laying about. They don't spent any money they don't NEED to spend and they sock the rest of it away in bank accounts and forget about it.
So those tax cuts didn't create any jobs because there was no incentive for them to do anything with it other than put it in a bank in Switzerland. Which is what they did with it.
They don;t make their $ through income, that's what I'm saying. You have to increase tax on capital gains to really effect any of these people.
Nope. In order for a government to take in tax revenue and spend, creating infrastructure and blah blah blah... some sort of economic activity (business) needs to be the predecessor. That's where they get their money for their existence.
Very true.
And without that infrastructure, most businesses would be unable to even start.
It's what we call a symbiotic relationship. Both sides needing the other.
So when business suddenly wants to just stop their side of the bargain... what do you think would happen?
So, we agree business preceded government. Governments needs business to even get going.
What were once "trade paths" (note the word - trade), newer roads and bridges exist because of the wealth created by private sector business. Government gets it's wealth from extraction from the private sector.
And virtually all businesses would't exist without the government.
Is this that weird paradox game?
Like... without war.. we cannot have peace?
Nope. In order for a government to take in tax revenue and spend, creating infrastructure and blah blah blah... some sort of economic activity (business) needs to be the predecessor. That's where they get their money for their existence.
personally, I think the chicken came first...you know, since it had to lay the egg...
but, where did the egg come from...? ahhh, the chicken laid the egg... :?
um, this is so confusing and meaningless...we have chickens and eggs...who gives fuck who was first....?
where did you hear that from again? Source please.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Thursday that he has paid a tax rate of at least 13 percent on his income in each of the last 10 years, offering his fullest explanation to date of his tax status.
“I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year,” he told reporters Thursday.
In response to pressure from his rivals during the Republican primaries, Romney released his 2010 tax return in January, showing he paid 13.9 percent on his $21.7 million in 2010 income. His campaign said that in his comments to reporters Thursday, he meant to indicate he’d paid 13.9 percent--not 13.6 percent---in his most recent tax year.
But Romney said Thursday that Reid’s charge is “totally false” and that he has, in fact, paid taxes every year. He complained the tax issue has been a distraction during a time when the country faces tough challenges.
“I just have to say, given the challenges that America faces – 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty – the fascination with taxes I’ve paid I find to be very small-minded compared to the broad issues that we face,” he said.
“I’m sure waiting for Harry to put up who it was that told him what he says they told him. I don’t believe it for a minute, by the way,” he said.
Romney’s answer on taxes--which came at the end of a news conference devoted to other issues--appeared to be a follow-up to a response he gave ABC’s David Muir in an interview last month.
Muir asked whether Romney had ever paid less than the 13.9 percent he paid last year.
“I haven’t calculated that,” Romney said then. “I’m happy to go back and look, but my view is I’ve paid all the taxes required by law.”
Democrats have said Romney’s own tax records are an illustration of the ways the wealthy can use looholes and tax shelters to lower their payments to the government. Romney’s tax rate is lowered by the fact that most of his annual income comes from investments, which are taxed at 15 percent, far below what he would pay on ordinary income.
They have pushed him to follow the model of his father, George Romney, who released 12 years worth of tax records while running for president in 1968.
In an interview with NBC’s “Rock Center” this week, the candidate’s wife Ann Romney insisted the couple planned to make no additional tax information public.
She said they have been “very transparent to what’s legally required of us.”
“Mitt is honest. His integrity is just golden,” she said.
President Obama’s 2011 tax return showed that he paid an effective rate of 20.5 percent.
where did you hear that from again? Source please.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Thursday that he has paid a tax rate of at least 13 percent on his income in each of the last 10 years, offering his fullest explanation to date of his tax status.
“I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year,” he told reporters Thursday.
In response to pressure from his rivals during the Republican primaries, Romney released his 2010 tax return in January, showing he paid 13.9 percent on his $21.7 million in 2010 income. His campaign said that in his comments to reporters Thursday, he meant to indicate he’d paid 13.9 percent--not 13.6 percent---in his most recent tax year.
But Romney said Thursday that Reid’s charge is “totally false” and that he has, in fact, paid taxes every year. He complained the tax issue has been a distraction during a time when the country faces tough challenges.
“I just have to say, given the challenges that America faces – 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty – the fascination with taxes I’ve paid I find to be very small-minded compared to the broad issues that we face,” he said.
“I’m sure waiting for Harry to put up who it was that told him what he says they told him. I don’t believe it for a minute, by the way,” he said.
Romney’s answer on taxes--which came at the end of a news conference devoted to other issues--appeared to be a follow-up to a response he gave ABC’s David Muir in an interview last month.
Muir asked whether Romney had ever paid less than the 13.9 percent he paid last year.
“I haven’t calculated that,” Romney said then. “I’m happy to go back and look, but my view is I’ve paid all the taxes required by law.”
Democrats have said Romney’s own tax records are an illustration of the ways the wealthy can use looholes and tax shelters to lower their payments to the government. Romney’s tax rate is lowered by the fact that most of his annual income comes from investments, which are taxed at 15 percent, far below what he would pay on ordinary income.
They have pushed him to follow the model of his father, George Romney, who released 12 years worth of tax records while running for president in 1968.
In an interview with NBC’s “Rock Center” this week, the candidate’s wife Ann Romney insisted the couple planned to make no additional tax information public.
She said they have been “very transparent to what’s legally required of us.”
“Mitt is honest. His integrity is just golden,” she said.
President Obama’s 2011 tax return showed that he paid an effective rate of 20.5 percent.
How about your sources , i mean the only way would be what ? show the taxes that would end all the speculations ...
Nope. In order for a government to take in tax revenue and spend, creating infrastructure and blah blah blah... some sort of economic activity (business) needs to be the predecessor. That's where they get their money for their existence.
personally, I think the chicken came first...you know, since it had to lay the egg...
but, where did the egg come from...? ahhh, the chicken laid the egg... :?
um, this is so confusing and meaningless...we have chickens and eggs...who gives fuck who was first....?
I agree - it's stupid to bring up. That's why the President never should have. And those defending his POV, like PoD did, shouldn't either.
Nope. In order for a government to take in tax revenue and spend, creating infrastructure and blah blah blah... some sort of economic activity (business) needs to be the predecessor. That's where they get their money for their existence.
personally, I think the chicken came first...you know, since it had to lay the egg...
but, where did the egg come from...? ahhh, the chicken laid the egg... :?
um, this is so confusing and meaningless...we have chickens and eggs...who gives fuck who was first....?
I agree - it's stupid to bring up. That's why the President never should have. And those defending his POV, like PoD did, shouldn't either.
really, "Never"...? why....? and so what if he did...?
O-bama basically said "we all built this shit together"...and some heads when BOOM...
where did you hear that from again? Source please.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Thursday that he has paid a tax rate of at least 13 percent on his income in each of the last 10 years, offering his fullest explanation to date of his tax status.
“I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year,” he told reporters Thursday.
In response to pressure from his rivals during the Republican primaries, Romney released his 2010 tax return in January, showing he paid 13.9 percent on his $21.7 million in 2010 income. His campaign said that in his comments to reporters Thursday, he meant to indicate he’d paid 13.9 percent--not 13.6 percent---in his most recent tax year.
But Romney said Thursday that Reid’s charge is “totally false” and that he has, in fact, paid taxes every year. He complained the tax issue has been a distraction during a time when the country faces tough challenges.
“I just have to say, given the challenges that America faces – 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty – the fascination with taxes I’ve paid I find to be very small-minded compared to the broad issues that we face,” he said.
“I’m sure waiting for Harry to put up who it was that told him what he says they told him. I don’t believe it for a minute, by the way,” he said.
Romney’s answer on taxes--which came at the end of a news conference devoted to other issues--appeared to be a follow-up to a response he gave ABC’s David Muir in an interview last month.
Muir asked whether Romney had ever paid less than the 13.9 percent he paid last year.
“I haven’t calculated that,” Romney said then. “I’m happy to go back and look, but my view is I’ve paid all the taxes required by law.”
Democrats have said Romney’s own tax records are an illustration of the ways the wealthy can use looholes and tax shelters to lower their payments to the government. Romney’s tax rate is lowered by the fact that most of his annual income comes from investments, which are taxed at 15 percent, far below what he would pay on ordinary income.
They have pushed him to follow the model of his father, George Romney, who released 12 years worth of tax records while running for president in 1968.
In an interview with NBC’s “Rock Center” this week, the candidate’s wife Ann Romney insisted the couple planned to make no additional tax information public.
She said they have been “very transparent to what’s legally required of us.”
“Mitt is honest. His integrity is just golden,” she said.
President Obama’s 2011 tax return showed that he paid an effective rate of 20.5 percent.
“Mitt is honest. His integrity is just golden,” she said.
I almost choked to death when I heard her say that. I think he's changed his Medicare position 3 times in the last week.
Obviously none of us knows what taxes Mitt did or didn't pay. If you want to take him for his word, well, you're more than welcome to do that. :?
I thought I'd let you know what it felt like to be trolled with misinformation, but I'm done now. I don't actually believe he didn't pay income tax for 10 years; the IRS would've audited him I'd think. But the fact that he (purportedly) pays 13%-14% while suckers like me pay >30% is a god damn disgrace, and Ryan's budget wants to cut his tax rate to 0.56%.
Woot.
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really, "Never"...? why....? and so what if he did...?
O-bama basically said "we all built this shit together"...and some heads when BOOM...
What he meant has greater undertones that you are playing out.
He went off saying that people don't succeed because they're smart or work hard ... his proof was there's a whole lot of smart hard working people out there - basically saying all of those can't be successful, there's only so many spots. Right there - I call bullshit. I say - if you're smart and hardworking then you're going to be successful. The spots are exponential.
He went on to say if you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
Then he rambled on about how the government created the fucking internet and started talking about fighting fires.
Bottom line though - he basically said individualized choices aren't what makes things happen. He's wrong. I understand why he thinks that - it's his ideological stance - he's a collectivist. He was trying to say other people help in various ways and he's right they sure do, but they decide "individually" to help. That's why he doesn't understand. We don't control other people - we only control our individual self. I am mine. That sort of thing.
really, "Never"...? why....? and so what if he did...?
O-bama basically said "we all built this shit together"...and some heads when BOOM...
What he meant has greater undertones that you are playing out.
He went off saying that people don't succeed because they're smart or work hard ... his proof was there's a whole lot of smart hard working people out there - basically saying all of those can't be successful, there's only so many spots. Right there - I call bullshit. I say - if you're smart and hardworking then you're going to be successful. The spots are exponential.
He went on to say if you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
Then he rambled on about how the government created the fucking internet and started talking about fighting fires.
Bottom line though - he basically said individualized choices aren't what makes things happen. He's wrong. I understand why he thinks that - it's his ideological stance - he's a collectivist. He was trying to say other people help in various ways and he's right they sure do, but they decide "individually" to help. That's why he doesn't understand. We don't control other people - we only control our individual self. I am mine. That sort of thing.
Collectivism is bullshit.
((((Sigh))))
where did he say "individualized choices aren't what makes things happen"....oh wait, he didn't...you did...
what he said was clear...but folks want to muddy it...fine... :fp:
and yes, if you're smart and work hard...with the help of things collectively built by this society, one can be successful...
or you can be born with a silver spoon in your mouth and be successful...
really, "Never"...? why....? and so what if he did...?
O-bama basically said "we all built this shit together"...and some heads when BOOM...
What he meant has greater undertones that you are playing out.
He went off saying that people don't succeed because they're smart or work hard ... his proof was there's a whole lot of smart hard working people out there - basically saying all of those can't be successful, there's only so many spots. Right there - I call bullshit. I say - if you're smart and hardworking then you're going to be successful. The spots are exponential.
He went on to say if you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
Then he rambled on about how the government created the fucking internet and started talking about fighting fires.
Bottom line though - he basically said individualized choices aren't what makes things happen. He's wrong. I understand why he thinks that - it's his ideological stance - he's a collectivist. He was trying to say other people help in various ways and he's right they sure do, but they decide "individually" to help. That's why he doesn't understand. We don't control other people - we only control our individual self. I am mine. That sort of thing.
Collectivism is bullshit.
((((Sigh))))
where did he say "individualized choices aren't what makes things happen"....oh wait, he didn't...you did...
what he said was clear...but folks want to muddy it...fine... :fp:
and yes, if you're smart and work hard...with the help of things collectively built by this society, one can be successful...
or you can be born with a silver spoon in your mouth and be successful...
either one is fine with me...
and back to topic at hand...
Paul Ryan is not doing too well in the trail...
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The point is that's what he meant. Re-read his speech here if you'd like:
P.S. You and I have different definitions of successful - I don't think people born with a silverspoon in their mouths are automatically successful. Each "individual" makes their success. Collectivists hate that concept.
P.S. You and I have different definitions of successful - I don't think people born with a silverspoon in their mouths are automatically successful. Each "individual" makes their success. Collectivists hate that concept.
now I get it...
tell me, what road have you "individually" built...? do you enjoy living in a log cabin...? you know, since you hate collectivism and are more of a daniel boone sort of feller...surely you didn't accepted the collective effort of others to have your home built....you hate that sort shit...right...
The owner of a Virginia bakery gave Vice President Biden's advance team an answer they probably don't hear too often: No.
Chris McMurray, owner of "Crumb and Get It" bakery in southwestern Virginia, reportedly refused to let Biden stop by his store Wednesday because of concerns he had about President Obama's "you didn't build that" remark. The president made the controversial comment last month in Roanoke, Va., just miles from McMurray's bakery.
"This is an opportunity of a lifetime, but essentially I said, 'No offense to you or the campaign but I just decline you guys coming in here,'" McMurray told WDBJ7.
He said the Biden staffer asked if he was sure, since there would be lots of press and activity. Biden was wrapping up a tour of southern Virginia Wednesday.
But McMurray reportedly said he objected to the "you didn't build that" line.
"Speaking of small businesses and entrepreneurs all across this country, and actually last night my wife was up all night. No sleep, she's worked a full 24 hours," he said.
He and his wife Kelly run the shop.
Obama said "you didn't build that" in the course of discussing government investments -- like roads -- that have helped business owners thrive.
Democrats have suggested the president was merely saying small businesses didn't build that infrastructure, but Republicans and some local business owners interpreted it as questioning American entrepreneur's contribution to their own businesses.
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Biden says dumb things but is a very intelligent politician and did have an excellent platform in the primaries.
He also was the only one with a decent plan on what to do with Iraq.
Can't wait to hear Romney/Ryan's foreign plans. Neither of them know shit about anything besides the tired right wing neo-con cliches.
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oddly enough we agree....you can't have one without the other...we need both...businesses need gov't and gov't needs businesses....
in other words...."we built that"....
an aside: this we built that thing has that damn Jefferson Starship song in my head....We build this city....on Rock and Roooool....whoooo
No I'll have that song stuck in my head for the rest of the day. :nono:
heehee.
Oh let him have his fun.
in the primaries he had a very solid platform. more solid than any of the other dems. he did have a detailed plan to exit iraq, and obama has used part of that plan, but not as aggressively as biden said he would have been.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Hm. I don't know much about business. Shit, I better fire my gardener.
While $800,000 might not buy "shit equipment," nobody said that the government paid for the whole thing. He clearly worked hard and was successful. Nobody claimed otherwise.
But they DID give close to $1 million in grants and they DID pay for the electrical power lines, the water, the roads... and they did it with American tax payers money. Those of us who paid taxes, anyway. So he didn't make the entire infrastructure that helped him become successful.
And I guess this is where I say "I don't really think you know much about the English Language" because nobody, the president included, said that the government was taking credit for the work he'd done or the business he built.
The president was talking about how we all need to contribute to the mechanisms that build and support businesses and our economy. Those "job creator" tax cuts for billionaires clearly didn't create jobs. Jobs aren't just created by billionaires spending money to just randomly open a business. There is an infrastructure that we need to even get going.
There would be no government without business.
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Ah prince, don't take offense. I know you own you're own business.
I know the American language just fine.
And virtually all businesses would't exist without the government.
Is this that weird paradox game?
Like... without war.. we cannot have peace?
(not to nitpick but "american" isn't a language. sorry. I had to mention that.)
I have to say that NOT taxing the people who have the money was the dumbest idea I've ever heard and for proof I offer you the last 10 years.
Giving tax cuts to billionaires for being "job creators" was dumb. Very dumb. Billionaires don't just randomly open businesses because they have a spare few million laying about. They don't spent any money they don't NEED to spend and they sock the rest of it away in bank accounts and forget about it.
So those tax cuts didn't create any jobs because there was no incentive for them to do anything with it other than put it in a bank in Switzerland. Which is what they did with it.
Nope. In order for a government to take in tax revenue and spend, creating infrastructure and blah blah blah... some sort of economic activity (business) needs to be the predecessor. That's where they get their money for their existence.
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Very true.
And without that infrastructure, most businesses would be unable to even start.
It's what we call a symbiotic relationship. Both sides needing the other.
So when business suddenly wants to just stop their side of the bargain... what do you think would happen?
Hahaha, I was messing with you. I see that it worked!
They don;t make their $ through income, that's what I'm saying. You have to increase tax on capital gains to really effect any of these people.
So, we agree business preceded government. Governments needs business to even get going.
What were once "trade paths" (note the word - trade), newer roads and bridges exist because of the wealth created by private sector business. Government gets it's wealth from extraction from the private sector.
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personally, I think the chicken came first...you know, since it had to lay the egg...
but, where did the egg come from...? ahhh, the chicken laid the egg... :?
um, this is so confusing and meaningless...we have chickens and eggs...who gives fuck who was first....?
where did you hear that from again? Source please.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Thursday that he has paid a tax rate of at least 13 percent on his income in each of the last 10 years, offering his fullest explanation to date of his tax status.
“I did go back and look at my taxes and over the past 10 years I never paid less than 13 percent. I think the most recent year is 13.6 or something like that. So I paid taxes every single year,” he told reporters Thursday.
In response to pressure from his rivals during the Republican primaries, Romney released his 2010 tax return in January, showing he paid 13.9 percent on his $21.7 million in 2010 income. His campaign said that in his comments to reporters Thursday, he meant to indicate he’d paid 13.9 percent--not 13.6 percent---in his most recent tax year.
But Romney said Thursday that Reid’s charge is “totally false” and that he has, in fact, paid taxes every year. He complained the tax issue has been a distraction during a time when the country faces tough challenges.
“I just have to say, given the challenges that America faces – 23 million people out of work, Iran about to become nuclear, one out of six Americans in poverty – the fascination with taxes I’ve paid I find to be very small-minded compared to the broad issues that we face,” he said.
“I’m sure waiting for Harry to put up who it was that told him what he says they told him. I don’t believe it for a minute, by the way,” he said.
Romney’s answer on taxes--which came at the end of a news conference devoted to other issues--appeared to be a follow-up to a response he gave ABC’s David Muir in an interview last month.
Muir asked whether Romney had ever paid less than the 13.9 percent he paid last year.
“I haven’t calculated that,” Romney said then. “I’m happy to go back and look, but my view is I’ve paid all the taxes required by law.”
Democrats have said Romney’s own tax records are an illustration of the ways the wealthy can use looholes and tax shelters to lower their payments to the government. Romney’s tax rate is lowered by the fact that most of his annual income comes from investments, which are taxed at 15 percent, far below what he would pay on ordinary income.
They have pushed him to follow the model of his father, George Romney, who released 12 years worth of tax records while running for president in 1968.
In an interview with NBC’s “Rock Center” this week, the candidate’s wife Ann Romney insisted the couple planned to make no additional tax information public.
She said they have been “very transparent to what’s legally required of us.”
“Mitt is honest. His integrity is just golden,” she said.
President Obama’s 2011 tax return showed that he paid an effective rate of 20.5 percent.
How about your sources , i mean the only way would be what ? show the taxes that would end all the speculations ...
I agree - it's stupid to bring up. That's why the President never should have. And those defending his POV, like PoD did, shouldn't either.
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drum roll please...
mitt's dad!
really, "Never"...? why....? and so what if he did...?
O-bama basically said "we all built this shit together"...and some heads when BOOM...
what's mitt hiding...?
coot
I almost choked to death when I heard her say that.
Obviously none of us knows what taxes Mitt did or didn't pay. If you want to take him for his word, well, you're more than welcome to do that. :?
I thought I'd let you know what it felt like to be trolled with misinformation, but I'm done now. I don't actually believe he didn't pay income tax for 10 years; the IRS would've audited him I'd think. But the fact that he (purportedly) pays 13%-14% while suckers like me pay >30% is a god damn disgrace, and Ryan's budget wants to cut his tax rate to 0.56%.
Woot.
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What he meant has greater undertones that you are playing out.
He went off saying that people don't succeed because they're smart or work hard ... his proof was there's a whole lot of smart hard working people out there - basically saying all of those can't be successful, there's only so many spots. Right there - I call bullshit. I say - if you're smart and hardworking then you're going to be successful. The spots are exponential.
He went on to say if you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
Then he rambled on about how the government created the fucking internet and started talking about fighting fires.
Bottom line though - he basically said individualized choices aren't what makes things happen. He's wrong. I understand why he thinks that - it's his ideological stance - he's a collectivist. He was trying to say other people help in various ways and he's right they sure do, but they decide "individually" to help. That's why he doesn't understand. We don't control other people - we only control our individual self. I am mine. That sort of thing.
Collectivism is bullshit.
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((((Sigh))))
where did he say "individualized choices aren't what makes things happen"....oh wait, he didn't...you did...
what he said was clear...but folks want to muddy it...fine... :fp:
and yes, if you're smart and work hard...with the help of things collectively built by this society, one can be successful...
or you can be born with a silver spoon in your mouth and be successful...
either one is fine with me...
and back to topic at hand...
Paul Ryan is not doing too well in the trail...
((((((Bigger Sigh))))))
The point is that's what he meant. Re-read his speech here if you'd like:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/18/context-obamas-you-didnt-build-comment/
P.S. You and I have different definitions of successful - I don't think people born with a silverspoon in their mouths are automatically successful. Each "individual" makes their success. Collectivists hate that concept.
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now I get it...
tell me, what road have you "individually" built...? do you enjoy living in a log cabin...? you know, since you hate collectivism and are more of a daniel boone sort of feller...surely you didn't accepted the collective effort of others to have your home built....you hate that sort shit...right...
Chris McMurray, owner of "Crumb and Get It" bakery in southwestern Virginia, reportedly refused to let Biden stop by his store Wednesday because of concerns he had about President Obama's "you didn't build that" remark. The president made the controversial comment last month in Roanoke, Va., just miles from McMurray's bakery.
"This is an opportunity of a lifetime, but essentially I said, 'No offense to you or the campaign but I just decline you guys coming in here,'" McMurray told WDBJ7.
He said the Biden staffer asked if he was sure, since there would be lots of press and activity. Biden was wrapping up a tour of southern Virginia Wednesday.
But McMurray reportedly said he objected to the "you didn't build that" line.
"Speaking of small businesses and entrepreneurs all across this country, and actually last night my wife was up all night. No sleep, she's worked a full 24 hours," he said.
He and his wife Kelly run the shop.
Obama said "you didn't build that" in the course of discussing government investments -- like roads -- that have helped business owners thrive.
Democrats have suggested the president was merely saying small businesses didn't build that infrastructure, but Republicans and some local business owners interpreted it as questioning American entrepreneur's contribution to their own businesses.
He should know better, that even hurts.
Entrepreneurs, their business, their blood sweat and tears literally
and that of their families too.
The pride huge, the worry immense, the drive almost addicting and if they are lucky
their business their baby and their life till the end of it.
Makes a buddy want to shake her head and think wtf. :wtf: