Romney to pick Paul Ryan for VP

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

:?: In other words, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it applies to Ryan in this case. I have no clue why you find that funny or wow-worthy or hard to understand.

Because he's the Vice Presidential candidate of the fucking United States!!! :fp: You don't get to that level by marching to the beat of your own drum! He has the support of a Presidential candidtae. He has the support of the Republican party. He has the support of all of the lobbyist groups who support that party. Hate to shock the World here...but he's not a lone wolf with his own ideals. He represents the ideals of the people that support him and got him to where he is. :fp:

He wasn't the vice-presidential candidate when he voted for those things though.... I didn't say he's a lone wolf. I'm saying what I'm saying about this one issue and those particular votes. You are drawing some pretty presumptuous conclusions from what I write, when in fact I only mean exactly what I'm saying.
And sure he represents the ideals of those he's supporting... that in no way means that he doesn't personally agree with those ideals. I think he does.

DS1119

PJ_Soul wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

:?: In other words, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think it applies to Ryan in this case. I have no clue why you find that funny or wow-worthy or hard to understand.

Because he's the Vice Presidential candidate of the fucking United States!!! :fp: You don't get to that level by marching to the beat of your own drum! He has the support of a Presidential candidtae. He has the support of the Republican party. He has the support of all of the lobbyist groups who support that party. Hate to shock the World here...but he's not a lone wolf with his own ideals. He represents the ideals of the people that support him and got him to where he is. :fp:

He wasn't the vice-presidential candidate when he voted for those things though.... I didn't say he's a lone wolf. I'm saying what I'm saying about this one issue and those particular votes. You are drawing some pretty presumptuous conclusions from what I write, when in fact I only mean exactly what I'm saying.

I suggest you read my edited post.

JonnyPistachio

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Fine, I really don't give a fuck if he is "anti-horse" and I couldn't give two fucks if someone eats a horse.

Sooooo, you're saying you'd give up one fuck for a horse?

peacefrompaul

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

norm

peacefrompaul wrote:

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

you're the one trippin' so you tell us!

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Because he's the Vice Presidential candidate of the fucking United States!!! :fp: You don't get to that level by marching to the beat of your own drum! He has the support of a Presidential candidtae. He has the support of the Republican party. He has the support of all of the lobbyist groups who support that party. Hate to shock the World here...but he's not a lone wolf with his own ideals. He represents the ideals of the people that support him and got him to where he is. :fp:

He wasn't the vice-presidential candidate when he voted for those things though.... I didn't say he's a lone wolf. I'm saying what I'm saying about this one issue and those particular votes. You are drawing some pretty presumptuous conclusions from what I write, when in fact I only mean exactly what I'm saying.

I suggest you read my edited post.

He represented millions and millions who felt the same way? Did millions and millions even vote him into office? I don't think so!
Never the less, I think he really believes those things. Nothing you've said affects what I've said about that. After all you've said (none of which I've disagreed with), I still think he actually believes those things. And if he didn't (which he does), that would make him even WORSE... I mean, as far as politicians go, he's a real asshole. What I'm saying is that he's the bloody diarrhea of the shit pile.

Johnny Abruzzo

peacefrompaul wrote:

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

Certain people are constantly trying to change the subject.

PJ_Soul

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

Certain people are constantly trying to change the subject.

What I find strange is that people seem to try and act like Republicans don't stand for being anti gay rights. I mean, it's a fact, not an opinion. I don't know why they don't just own it by now. And if they are pro gay rights, I don't know how they can support that party at all, just because for me, issues of civil and human rights trump all else. My morals won't allow me to think otherwise. Money comes second, not first.

Jason P

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

Certain people are constantly trying to change the subject.

I was just horsing around, that's all.

peacefrompaul

Jason P wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

Certain people are constantly trying to change the subject.

I was just horsing around, that's all.

Johnny Abruzzo

Jason P wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

Certain people are constantly trying to change the subject.

I was just horsing around, that's all.

You brought up the horse thing? I was really talking about the other guy, Rangers fan. Your posts tend to be insightful, actually.

Why are/were there federal laws regarding the legality of eating horses, by the way? :?

(ok, now I'm changing the subject. :fp: )

Jason P

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Why are/were there federal laws regarding the legality of eating horses, by the way? :?

PJ_Soul

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Certain people are constantly trying to change the subject.

I was just horsing around, that's all.

You brought up the horse thing? I was really talking about the other guy, Rangers fan. Your posts tend to be insightful, actually.

Why are/were there federal laws regarding the legality of eating horses, by the way? :?

(ok, now I'm changing the subject. :fp: )

.... back to the subject... it's because they've found that the means by which they are slaughtered tend to be particularly inhumane. From what I've seen from the videos posted by IFAW, they are. They are placed under duress for a very long time, and the slaughter methods tend to go wrong way too often, resulting in blatant torture. This is because, I think, there is no mass slaughter protocol for horses. Things go more smoothly for, say, cows (not that there isn't room for VAST improvement there too). Also, horses are more emotionally tortured just by virtue of their personalities. Cows are calm and relatively dumb. Horses or way more sensitive and smarter, and so feel much more stress and panic than most of the other animals we eat during the slaughter process.
Sorry for being so off topic, but just wanted to point that out since it came up!

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

Ok, and that's fine. Neither do I in regards to eating horse.

I guess that's why I post stuff like this. What the AMerican public needs to realize is there's a segment...a good segment of people...who don't give a shit about gay marriage. If they're not gay or don't believe in it, why would they want it to be legalized? If it's only going to increase their cost of living (which it will just simply in insurance costs) especailly in these economic times, why vote for or push for it? Just doesn't make sense. The Republicans represent in a larger part this segment of people. That's the stance the politicinas will take. They're representing their party. To call one politician however homophobic or anti-gay becasue of this is quite ignorant in my opinion since he's only representing his party and constituants.

Alright, so how about a more fitting analogy than a fucking horse. Why would anyone in the 60's in the south support desegregation? I mean, these politicians speak for their people and during a war and all, why would they think about something as crazy as allowing black people to go to the same school as whites, as unpopular as it was in certain constituencies? I mean, they represent their people and their people certainly didn't want their kids going to school with blacks.

Politicians who didn't support desegregation then were racist and politicians who don't support equal rights for gay couples are homophobic/anti-gay or whatever you want to call it. Simple as that.

You do what is right, period, not what uneducated idiots you represent think you should do, especially with social issues and equality. If you don't support these social issues you will be labeled a bigot, a homophobe, racist or anti-gay. Easy as that.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

What I find strange is that people seem to try and act like Republicans don't stand for being anti gay rights. I mean, it's a fact, not an opinion. I don't know why they don't just own it by now. And if they are pro gay rights, I don't know how they can support that party at all, just because for me, issues of civil and human rights trump all else. My morals won't allow me to think otherwise. Money comes second, not first.

Actually, it's not a fact. I'm not a Republican, but some of my best friends are

But really, why the quickness to slap a label on a group? They're not all anti-gay. They're not all anything.

(the horse thing was funny as fuck, by the way!)

peacefrompaul

Jason P wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Why are/were there federal laws regarding the legality of eating horses, by the way? :?

Perfect

DS1119

PJ_Soul wrote:

He represented millions and millions who felt the same way? Did millions and millions even vote him into office? I don't think so!
Never the less, I think he really believes those things. Nothing you've said affects what I've said about that. After all you've said (none of which I've disagreed with), I still think he actually believes those things. And if he didn't (which he does), that would make him even WORSE... I mean, as far as politicians go, he's a real asshole. What I'm saying is that he's the bloody diarrhea of the shit pile.

Sorry. I didn't realize you knew what he believes. Do you know what everyone else believes as well?


And as far as the millions and millions he represents. Not sure how it works in Canada but here its run you for a small office and when you win you represent the interests of your constituants and supporters...you keep moving up in office and as you do your constituant size grows as well as your political supporters and interest groups...eventually you get to millions and millions of people you are representing. Pretty simple system actually.

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

What I find strange is that people seem to try and act like Republicans don't stand for being anti gay rights. I mean, it's a fact, not an opinion. I don't know why they don't just own it by now. And if they are pro gay rights, I don't know how they can support that party at all, just because for me, issues of civil and human rights trump all else. My morals won't allow me to think otherwise. Money comes second, not first.

Actually, it's not a fact. I'm not a Republican, but some of my best friends are

But really, why the quickness to slap a label on a group? They're not all anti-gay. They're not all anything.

(the horse thing was funny as fuck, by the way!)

No no no. I didn't mean that all people who vote republican are anti-gay (although said that all those who aren't are voting for money over morals). I meant that the Republican party is anti-gay. You are right, I didn't state that clearly. My WHOLE FAMILY are conservatives. I'm the major black sheep. I am not bigoted towards those who vote conservative, but I'm definitely bigoted towards right wing political parties, and vehemently dislike that so many people are willing to vote economics before they vote for human rights or the environment.

DS1119

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

Certain people are constantly trying to change the subject.

Not changing any subject if you're referring to me. A vote on any topic is a vote on any topic. If people want to say one politician is a homophobe they need to face the fact the Presidant is an animal-phobic. Just logic. It can't be one way on one topic and another with another topic.

DS1119

PJ_Soul wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

How the hell did a horse get involved in this?

Certain people are constantly trying to change the subject.

What I find strange is that people seem to try and act like Republicans don't stand for being anti gay rights. I mean, it's a fact, not an opinion. I don't know why they don't just own it by now. And if they are pro gay rights, I don't know how they can support that party at all, just because for me, issues of civil and human rights trump all else. My morals won't allow me to think otherwise. Money comes second, not first.

And that's a person's rights. And that's why we vote. For me, I'm not of that lifestyle, so quite frankly why would I support anything that would cost me money...something same sex marriage will only do for the general public.