Romney to pick Paul Ryan for VP

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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Some just don't understand and never will Pandora.
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... t-20120816

    Tom Morello: 'Paul Ryan Is the Embodiment of the Machine Our Music Rages Against'

    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... z23lSvX1cW
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    pandora wrote:
    That statement sucked however our President meant it.

    He should know better, that even hurts.

    Entrepreneurs, their business, their blood sweat and tears literally
    and that of their families too.

    The pride huge, the worry immense, the drive almost addicting and if they are lucky
    their business their baby and their life till the end of it.

    Makes a buddy want to shake her head and think wtf. :wtf:

    you are never going to have a president or anyone in the driver's seat that is 100% perfect with what he says in every speech. Obama has a lot more credibility then most however...
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    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    inmytree wrote:

    now I get it...

    tell me, what road have you "individually" built...?

    Well, I've built trails outside my parents house to get to my friend house when I was a kid. I wanted to get through the woods to his house. Just like private markets built the original roads in this country.... seeking ummm... "trade". Hmmm. Trade... that reeks of business. Yep, private enterprise was the ACTUAL originator of roadways. Government got involved much, much later.
    inmytree wrote:
    do you enjoy living in a log cabin...? you know, since you hate collectivism and are more of a daniel boone sort of feller...surely you didn't accepted the collective effort of others to have your home built....you hate that sort shit...right...


    Maybe you're feeling a bit slow today, so let's go back to what I already said.

    Each "individual" makes choices - me, you, my homebuilders. This is something collectivist have a hard time understanding. For example, the folks who built my house - they went to work each day individually. They each individually made that decision. Each one could have left, in fact for all I know one or two did. Each person who continued did so because of what they received back (be it pay, reward of a finished product, time with fellow workers, etc.)

    It was not the work of this collective force, but the work of a bunch of individuals (each with their own incentives) working on a project in order to receive individualized rewards - bridging the gap, these rewards could even include the reward of being part of a group. Anyway, that's how group projects happen. That's reality.

    Collectivists typically have a hard time understanding reality, so maybe we'll need to revisit this.
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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Zoso wrote:


    Not a fan of Paul Ryan, really, but I got to say Tom Morello should get about as much respect for his political opinion as the crocodile hunter. In fact, I'd bet the crock hunter was smarter.
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    That statement sucked however our President meant it.

    He should know better, that even hurts.

    Entrepreneurs, their business, their blood sweat and tears literally
    and that of their families too.

    The pride huge, the worry immense, the drive almost addicting and if they are lucky
    their business their baby and their life till the end of it.

    Makes a buddy want to shake her head and think wtf. :wtf:

    you are never going to have a president or anyone in the driver's seat that is 100% perfect with what he says in every speech. Obama has a lot more credibility then most however...

    :lol:
  • ComeToTXComeToTX Austin Posts: 7,873
    inlet13 wrote:
    Zoso wrote:


    Not a fan of Paul Ryan, really, but I got to say Tom Morello should get about as much respect for his political opinion as the crocodile hunter. In fact, I'd bet the crock hunter was smarter.

    Ha. Morello is a very well educated guy. The world needs RATM right now.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,769
    pandora wrote:
    That statement sucked however our President meant it.

    He should know better, that even hurts.

    Entrepreneurs, their business, their blood sweat and tears literally
    and that of their families too.

    The pride huge, the worry immense, the drive almost addicting and if they are lucky
    their business their baby and their life till the end of it.

    Makes a buddy want to shake her head and think wtf. :wtf:

    Just keep listening to Fox News. You already decided your vote on 1/20/09.
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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    ComeToTX wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Zoso wrote:


    Not a fan of Paul Ryan, really, but I got to say Tom Morello should get about as much respect for his political opinion as the crocodile hunter. In fact, I'd bet the crock hunter was smarter.

    Ha. Morello is a very well educated guy. The world needs RATM right now.

    I'm cool with more RATM. But, I still think the crock hunter was a wise man - except for that sting ray incident.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Some just don't understand and never will Pandora.

    :lol::lol:
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    inlet13 wrote:
    I got to say Tom Morello should get about as much respect for his political opinion as the crocodile hunter.

    And why would that be? Or is this another joke that I'm failing to get due to my having no sense of humour?
  • inlet13 wrote:
    I agree - it's stupid to bring up. That's why the President never should have. And those defending his POV, like PoD did, shouldn't either.

    Why... does it hurt you feelings to have to admit that regardless of who opened the first business in North America that NOW the public and private sector enjoy a symbiotic relationship where they support each other?

    I shouldn't bring it up why?
  • pandora wrote:
    That statement sucked however our President meant it.

    He should know better, that even hurts.

    Entrepreneurs, their business, their blood sweat and tears literally
    and that of their families too.

    The pride huge, the worry immense, the drive almost addicting and if they are lucky
    their business their baby and their life till the end of it.

    Makes a buddy want to shake her head and think wtf. :wtf:

    Really?

    So pointing out that the government has supported and helped small businesses hurts their poor feelings so he shouldn't say anything? If having the president point out that you didn't build a bridge that you drive your products across "hurts" you in some way, maybe you should grow a set.
  • inlet13 wrote:
    Not a fan of Paul Ryan, really, but I got to say Tom Morello should get about as much respect for his political opinion as the crocodile hunter. In fact, I'd bet the crock hunter was smarter.

    Steve Irwin was brilliant. Quite an accomplished zoologist and conservationist.

    Tom Morello graduated from Harvard with a degree in political science.

    Which one of them was smarter, I'm not sure. I couldn't find IQ test results online.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    inlet13 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    now I get it...

    tell me, what road have you "individually" built...?

    Well, I've built trails outside my parents house to get to my friend house when I was a kid. I wanted to get through the woods to his house. Just like private markets built the original roads in this country.... seeking ummm... "trade". Hmmm. Trade... that reeks of business. Yep, private enterprise was the ACTUAL originator of roadways. Government got involved much, much later.
    inmytree wrote:
    do you enjoy living in a log cabin...? you know, since you hate collectivism and are more of a daniel boone sort of feller...surely you didn't accepted the collective effort of others to have your home built....you hate that sort shit...right...


    Maybe you're feeling a bit slow today, so let's go back to what I already said.

    Each "individual" makes choices - me, you, my homebuilders. This is something collectivist have a hard time understanding. For example, the folks who built my house - they went to work each day individually. They each individually made that decision. Each one could have left, in fact for all I know one or two did. Each person who continued did so because of what they received back (be it pay, reward of a finished product, time with fellow workers, etc.)

    It was not the work of this collective force, but the work of a bunch of individuals (each with their own incentives) working on a project in order to receive individualized rewards - bridging the gap, these rewards could even include the reward of being part of a group. Anyway, that's how group projects happen. That's reality.

    Collectivists typically have a hard time understanding reality, so maybe we'll need to revisit this.

    semantics + obtuse = your answers.....

    love it...

    let's examine: individuals make up a group but these individuals that work as group make personal choices therefore those individuals are not part of group per se but they work individually as a group to get a project done.... :lol:

    not sure what to say about your trail gibberish...not sure at all... :?
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    GLEN ALLEN, Va.-At the end of his first week on the stump, Paul Ryan said the current political environment is the "most partisan atmosphere" he's "ever seen" over the three administrations he's worked for.

    "Remember the line, we're not red states, we're not blue states but we're the United States of America?" the vice presidential candidate said referring to President Obama. "I want to be a uniter, not a divider? I tell ya, I've served with three presidents since I have been in Congress, this is the most partisan atmosphere I have ever seen. This is not uniting, this is dividing."
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    GLEN ALLEN, Va.-At the end of his first week on the stump, Paul Ryan said the current political environment is the "most partisan atmosphere" he's "ever seen" over the three administrations he's worked for.

    "Remember the line, we're not red states, we're not blue states but we're the United States of America?" the vice presidential candidate said referring to President Obama. "I want to be a uniter, not a divider? I tell ya, I've served with three presidents since I have been in Congress, this is the most partisan atmosphere I have ever seen. This is not uniting, this is dividing."
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  • GLEN ALLEN, Va.-At the end of his first week on the stump, Paul Ryan said "this is the most partisan atmosphere I have ever seen. This is not uniting, this is dividing."

    I would agree with that.

    And to whom should we look at for a reason for that?

    Mitch-McConnell1-300x186.jpg

    "Making Obama A One-Term President Is My Single Most Important Political Goal," said Republican Senator Mitch McConnell.

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    Ben Quayle, son of former Vice President Dan Quayle, said that "Barack Obama is the worst president in history."

    JoeWilson.jpg

    "YOU LIE!," interrupted Senator Joe Wilson while the president gave his State of the Union address.

    :fp:
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    we're so fucked
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    Yeah prince, it's all the repub fault. :fp:
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  • Yeah prince, it's all the repub fault. :fp:

    Well I didn't say THAT, either.

    But Paul Ryan seems to blame it all on the president and frankly, that's not only not accurate, it's kinda the opposite.

    While I'm not going to say that a few Democratic senators aren't guilty of taking snipes, I can't think of anything from a Democratic senator that even comes close to the above.

    And most of all, I've NEVER seen the president get that nasty and juvenile. While the target of endless insane accusations from birthers, the people saying he paid "4 million dollars to seal his college transcripts," the people saying he's the anti-christ, a secret Muslim Manchurian Candidate, was gay married when in 1971 (when he was 10).... he's never once sunken to that level. Which is one reason why I think he's such a great president.
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Yeah prince, it's all the repub fault. :fp:

    It's everybody's fault. Most of our government is shit...

    Thanks special interests.

  • It's everybody's fault. Most of our government is shit...

    Thanks special interests.

    What is a "special interest?"

    That term always seems to be used as a catch-all for "people who aren't white, straight, Christian and at least upper-middle class."
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293

    It's everybody's fault. Most of our government is shit...

    Thanks special interests.

    What is a "special interest?"

    That term always seems to be used as a catch-all for "people who aren't white, straight, Christian and at least upper-middle class."

    Special interests?

    Anyone that is persuading our government to vote or create legislation a certain way, usually through large donations or tickets, golf outings, vacations, votes, etc.... they are defense lobbyists, corporations, etc.



    Not sure about your definition. Not what I intended by it.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,021
    GLEN ALLEN, Va.-At the end of his first week on the stump, Paul Ryan said the current political environment is the "most partisan atmosphere" he's "ever seen" over the three administrations he's worked for.

    "Remember the line, we're not red states, we're not blue states but we're the United States of America?" the vice presidential candidate said referring to President Obama. "I want to be a uniter, not a divider? I tell ya, I've served with three presidents since I have been in Congress, this is the most partisan atmosphere I have ever seen. This is not uniting, this is dividing."
    Boy, I'm surprised he had the gall to even Bring that up, now that he's running for the party that made it its sole mission to pigeon hole Obama no matter what the consequences to the United States of America might be. He has real nerve making that statement. :fp:
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
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    :lol::lol:
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    That statement sucked however our President meant it.

    He should know better, that even hurts.

    Entrepreneurs, their business, their blood sweat and tears literally
    and that of their families too.

    The pride huge, the worry immense, the drive almost addicting and if they are lucky
    their business their baby and their life till the end of it.

    Makes a buddy want to shake her head and think wtf. :wtf:

    Just keep listening to Fox News. You already decided your vote on 1/20/09.
    I have yet decided

    I'm finding this the toughest election for me...
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Zoso wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    That statement sucked however our President meant it.

    He should know better, that even hurts.

    Entrepreneurs, their business, their blood sweat and tears literally
    and that of their families too.

    The pride huge, the worry immense, the drive almost addicting and if they are lucky
    their business their baby and their life till the end of it.

    Makes a buddy want to shake her head and think wtf. :wtf:

    you are never going to have a president or anyone in the driver's seat that is 100% perfect with what he says in every speech. Obama has a lot more credibility then most however...
    never say never ;)
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    pandora wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    That statement sucked however our President meant it.

    He should know better, that even hurts.

    Entrepreneurs, their business, their blood sweat and tears literally
    and that of their families too.

    The pride huge, the worry immense, the drive almost addicting and if they are lucky
    their business their baby and their life till the end of it.

    Makes a buddy want to shake her head and think wtf. :wtf:

    Just keep listening to Fox News. You already decided your vote on 1/20/09.
    I have yet decided

    I'm finding this the toughest election for me...
    everyone's saying, "vote chadwick 2012." seems simple to many including self :mrgreen:
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  • pandora wrote:
    I'm finding this the toughest election for me...

    So someone who's been caught in about 10 BLATANT lies in the last week since his nomination and a Multi-multi-millionaire and possible billionaire (but we're not sure) against the guy who thinks that the rich should pay their share in taxes and the poor shouldn't suffer and die from strep throat...

    and this is a "tough" election for you.


    Well... you're just as brilliant and informed as I've always figured you are.

    cheers.
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