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    KevinmanKevinman Atlanta, GA USA Posts: 1,905
    BF25394 said:
    I think we can all agree the past was great and the present is awful. So many dissatisfied and disillusioned true fans.
    My hope is the big shows don't sell out. But it won't change a thing 
    We don't all agree, not in the context of Pearl Jam, and not in the context of the world. A lot of these "true" fans have shown that their fandom is an inch deep, not because they're balking at the ticket prices, which is a totally fair response, but because they've leaped to the conclusion because of those prices that Pearl Jam are greedy a-holes who don't care about their fans, despite thirty-plus years of demonstrating that they do. And a lot of these same "true" fans have next to no interest in any of band's creative output since 1998 which, again, is their prerogative as taste is subjective, but it doesn't suggest a deep reservoir of faith in the band.
    Is there nothing you won’t defend this band for?  Where there’s smoke there’s usually fire.  Things have changed with the fan club tickets and we know you don’t think it is worse than before, but it seems like you’re in the minority.
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    mattcozmattcoz Chicago Posts: 2,160
    PJ_Soul said:
    Looking at seats on TM today, basically every single seat is like $800.
    Why? Even some terrible seats at the back are that price. Who is doing this? What's going on? Why are there no regularly priced seats available and why can those people sell "premium" seats for whatever price but people wanting to sell TC seats must sell at face value?

    Sometime last night they restricted the sales visible to the general public to premium only, and have literally hidden any face values from view, because they are desperately trying to sell the premium tickets. Who makes such decisions, I do not know. What would that job title be?
    While I wouldn't put it past them, are we sure the standard tickets didn't just sell out?
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,138
    Kevinman said:
    BF25394 said:
    I think we can all agree the past was great and the present is awful. So many dissatisfied and disillusioned true fans.
    My hope is the big shows don't sell out. But it won't change a thing 
    We don't all agree, not in the context of Pearl Jam, and not in the context of the world. A lot of these "true" fans have shown that their fandom is an inch deep, not because they're balking at the ticket prices, which is a totally fair response, but because they've leaped to the conclusion because of those prices that Pearl Jam are greedy a-holes who don't care about their fans, despite thirty-plus years of demonstrating that they do. And a lot of these same "true" fans have next to no interest in any of band's creative output since 1998 which, again, is their prerogative as taste is subjective, but it doesn't suggest a deep reservoir of faith in the band.
    Is there nothing you won’t defend this band for?  Where there’s smoke there’s usually fire.  Things have changed with the fan club tickets and we know you don’t think it is worse than before, but it seems like you’re in the minority.
    I've said plenty of times that the fan club's communication with its members leaves a lot to be desired. I have also been critical of Eddie's move away from fame avoidance to starfucking. I was also very vocal about the poor job by the band and the fan club with respect to the last two annual singles. The funny thing is, at that time, a lot of people chalked me up as one of those people who complains about everything. Now I've got people saying I think the band can do no wrong. Here's the actual deal: I'm an objective person who has been a fan of this band for over 30 years and seen them treat their fans very well throughout that period, and who has benefited from the band's generous treatment of its fans repeatedly. I'm not going to throw them under the bus because a portion of their tickets are priced at a premium when they still managed to get tens of thousands of tickets into the hands of fan club members at face value, something which most artists don't do. Again, everyone posting here is in Pearl Jam's fan club. It's amazing how many people in the band's fan club do not give the band the benefit of the doubt.

    And, of course, I'm as critical as anyone else when it comes to the incontrovertible fact that everything that's wrong with the world is Stone's fault.
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    tino_11tino_11 Posts: 1,941
    BF25394 said:
    Now I'm in a lottery with a couple million other people maybe, 
    More like a half-million, maybe. Member numbers go up to about 800000, but many of those will have lapsed (and some will have died over 33 years). And not every member is in the lottery. A lot of them live in places that are nowhere near the few cities hosting shows and don't have the money or flexibility to travel to shows.
    It’s basic maths, but I’ve never realised that the 10c community contributes around $20 million every year, whether pj tour or not. I’m sure these funds have allowed PJ to keep prices reasonable in the past but not anymore it seems. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
    edited February 24
    mattcoz said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Looking at seats on TM today, basically every single seat is like $800.
    Why? Even some terrible seats at the back are that price. Who is doing this? What's going on? Why are there no regularly priced seats available and why can those people sell "premium" seats for whatever price but people wanting to sell TC seats must sell at face value?

    Sometime last night they restricted the sales visible to the general public to premium only, and have literally hidden any face values from view, because they are desperately trying to sell the premium tickets. Who makes such decisions, I do not know. What would that job title be?
    While I wouldn't put it past them, are we sure the standard tickets didn't just sell out?

    I feel fairly sure because there is a new "unlock" button that wasn't there yesterday, requiring a code to view face value even though you can get past the queue without one, and at least without that code there is no longer a checkbox for standard tix in the filter. That isn't the norm.
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 11,868
    BF25394 said:
    I think we can all agree the past was great and the present is awful. So many dissatisfied and disillusioned true fans.
    My hope is the big shows don't sell out. But it won't change a thing 
    We don't all agree, not in the context of Pearl Jam, and not in the context of the world. A lot of these "true" fans have shown that their fandom is an inch deep, not because they're balking at the ticket prices, which is a totally fair response, but because they've leaped to the conclusion because of those prices that Pearl Jam are greedy a-holes who don't care about their fans, despite thirty-plus years of demonstrating that they do. And a lot of these same "true" fans have next to no interest in any of band's creative output since 1998 which, again, is their prerogative as taste is subjective, but it doesn't suggest a deep reservoir of faith in the band.
    You make no sense my friend sit this one out. You are the minority and don't really have a point. Good evening 
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,722
    Please fix the forum on mobile.
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,138
    BF25394 said:
    I think we can all agree the past was great and the present is awful. So many dissatisfied and disillusioned true fans.
    My hope is the big shows don't sell out. But it won't change a thing 
    We don't all agree, not in the context of Pearl Jam, and not in the context of the world. A lot of these "true" fans have shown that their fandom is an inch deep, not because they're balking at the ticket prices, which is a totally fair response, but because they've leaped to the conclusion because of those prices that Pearl Jam are greedy a-holes who don't care about their fans, despite thirty-plus years of demonstrating that they do. And a lot of these same "true" fans have next to no interest in any of band's creative output since 1998 which, again, is their prerogative as taste is subjective, but it doesn't suggest a deep reservoir of faith in the band.
    You make no sense my friend sit this one out. You are the minority and don't really have a point. Good evening 
    I see. Minorities should not be heard. Interesting perspective. Anyway, I don't think I'm in the minority. If the majority of the Ten Club thinks Pearl Jam are greedy a-holes who don't care about their fans, we've really jumped the shark. My point was clear. You're welcome to disagree with it, but don't go declaring that we all agree. We don't all agree.

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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 11,868
    I didn't use any words like greedy a holes at all. Stop putting words that were not there. Foolish. I said it was great before and awful now. Full stop.
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    EraserheadEraserhead Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 2,838
    Black and black and black and black. Black and black and black. I can sing a t-shirt, sing a t-shirt...

    PLEASE have some other colours for your t-shirts in the merch stalls. Examples include, but are not limited to:

    Red
    Yellow
    Orange
    Green
    Blue
    Orange

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    involutionaryinvolutionary sun diego Posts: 105
    I just wanted to say I love how you did Australia and New Zealand with the golden circle and then the open GA behind. I hope it goes well so we can implement something like this in the states! 
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    rival9500rival9500 Posts: 532
    Bring back priority.
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    KevinmanKevinman Atlanta, GA USA Posts: 1,905
    rival9500 said:
    Bring back priority.
    +1
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,515
    Bring back seats behind the stage too please.
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Bring back seats behind the stage too please.
    yes. those are great.
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,722
    demetrios said:
    Please fix the forum on mobile.
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    Gianni75Gianni75 Switzerland Posts: 8
    I am rather new on this forum, I consider myself a Pearl Jam fan for 5 years now.
    As a 30-years Bruce Springsteen fan I have experienced the exact same conversation about ticket prices, fan club allocation, Ticketbastard-Premium pricing last year, when Bruce announced the first post-pandemic tour dates. I was not amused. I was shocked. I was disappointed. But, let‘s face it - there is inflation, prices went up, not only thanks to the pandemic, but also because nobody spends a dollar anymore on buying a CD, a record… streaming music has become virtually free… as a consequence, artists (and in particular their management) need to charge a lot more for their live events. This is the new reality now. My first Bruce show in 1993 cost me $ 67.50 (GA). Now, the same category costs an outrageous $ 400.- (plus TM charges, which results in $480.-) face value!!?
    For MSG, the „TM-Premium“ prices went up to $5000.-. I am disappointed that artists, that have a history of caring about their loyal fan base, don’t seem to care about this dynamic pricing, a business strategy of the promoter which feels like a slap in the face to many longtime fans..
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    OfThePearlOfThePearl Posts: 621
    demetrios said:
    demetrios said:
    Please fix the forum on mobile.
    Yes, Please!
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    OfThePearlOfThePearl Posts: 621
    Black and black and black and black. Black and black and black. I can sing a t-shirt, sing a t-shirt...

    PLEASE have some other colours for your t-shirts in the merch stalls. Examples include, but are not limited to:

    Red
    Yellow
    Orange
    Green
    Blue
    Orange

    Even if you have another color, please always have a black choice!  Black is neutral, goes with anything, looks good on everybody, is flattering if you've gained a few pounds, doesn't show the tour food you've spilled on it... Black is pretty perfect.
    Other colors are good too, (one of my very favorite PJ tees is red Portland 2006 with Mike on the back), but black is always a good choice.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,933
    edited February 26
    Black and black and black and black. Black and black and black. I can sing a t-shirt, sing a t-shirt...

    PLEASE have some other colours for your t-shirts in the merch stalls. Examples include, but are not limited to:

    Red
    Yellow
    Orange
    Green
    Blue
    Orange

    Even if you have another color, please always have a black choice!  Black is neutral, goes with anything, looks good on everybody, is flattering if you've gained a few pounds, doesn't show the tour food you've spilled on it... Black is pretty perfect.
    Other colors are good too, (one of my very favorite PJ tees is red Portland 2006 with Mike on the back), but black is always a good choice.
    Black sucks if you have a cat. And anyone who doesn't have a cat suck.

    As the saying goes.
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    BSullyBSully Indiana Posts: 1,015
    Black and black and black and black. Black and black and black. I can sing a t-shirt, sing a t-shirt...

    PLEASE have some other colours for your t-shirts in the merch stalls. Examples include, but are not limited to:

    Red
    Yellow
    Orange
    Green
    Blue
    Orange

    Even if you have another color, please always have a black choice!  Black is neutral, goes with anything, looks good on everybody, is flattering if you've gained a few pounds, doesn't show the tour food you've spilled on it... Black is pretty perfect.
    Other colors are good too, (one of my very favorite PJ tees is red Portland 2006 with Mike on the back), but black is always a good choice.
    I will most likely end up with at least one of each color. :)
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,808
    PJ_Soul said:
    10C, floor seats are not desirable behind maybe row 6. Can you please stop ranking them higher than seats off the floor?? I literally got the second to last row of the floor for a show, while someone else whose member number is over 200K higher than mine got a way better seat. I don't understand how you think the very back of the floor is better than a seat off the floor.
    agreed.  I trusted a buddy once with getting our Hip tickets. He said "score! we're on the floor". Row fucking 28. hands down, worst seats I've ever had for a show. 
    Darwinspeed, all. 

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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,722
    demetrios said:
    demetrios said:
    Please fix the forum on mobile.
    Yes, Please!

    Sometimes it works. The majority it doesn't. Wish they could fix this. If you don't log into your account the forum view is fine. But logging in .. 
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    OfThePearlOfThePearl Posts: 621
    Please Please Please fix the mobile forum!
    Any eta on that, @Sea ?

    Its such a waste of time signing out and in again multiple times to resume reading.

    It goes haywire every few minutes and requires the whole process over again.
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 11,868
    Mine doesn't work ever. Sort it out. 
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    PapPap Aspra Spitia, Greece Posts: 28,223
    BSully said:
    Black and black and black and black. Black and black and black. I can sing a t-shirt, sing a t-shirt...

    PLEASE have some other colours for your t-shirts in the merch stalls. Examples include, but are not limited to:

    Red
    Yellow
    Orange
    Green
    Blue
    Orange

    Even if you have another color, please always have a black choice!  Black is neutral, goes with anything, looks good on everybody, is flattering if you've gained a few pounds, doesn't show the tour food you've spilled on it... Black is pretty perfect.
    Other colors are good too, (one of my very favorite PJ tees is red Portland 2006 with Mike on the back), but black is always a good choice.
    I will most likely end up with at least one of each color. :)
    + Brown! Here's my favourite PJ tee:

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    ekwiptekwipt Vancouver Posts: 291
    PJ_Soul said:
    10C, floor seats are not desirable behind maybe row 6. Can you please stop ranking them higher than seats off the floor?? I literally got the second to last row of the floor for a show, while someone else whose member number is over 200K higher than mine got a way better seat. I don't understand how you think the very back of the floor is better than a seat off the floor.
    agreed.  I trusted a buddy once with getting our Hip tickets. He said "score! we're on the floor". Row fucking 28. hands down, worst seats I've ever had for a show. 
    I feel this 😣 

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    runstaplesrunstaples NC/WY Posts: 186
    edited February 27
    Umm...so is this shipping accurate? I was just in the shop and got the vinyl slip cover thing, the dark matter vinyl single and like 4 stickers. The total was $27. So I go to check out and the shipping is $21. Seriously? I had to back out. I need to think about that, jesus. Paying $50 for $27 worth of stuff. 

    I've ordered lots of stuff from the shop and don't ever remember being shocked by the shipping. It always seemed reasonable until now. 
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    dontejasdontejas Posts: 31
    Everyone who commented that it's not worth $35 a year to be in a club with a minimal chance for tickets (and not much else), I couldn't agree more. To be a member for over 25 years, always waiting longer for tours to happen, and get shut out of all the shows I put in for ... just sucks. Had to rant, sorry.
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 11,868
    Think how many millions a year 10c make from 40 dollar membership . Must be 500k paying members. And what's left. A forum that's broken. Come on man you are killing a fan base
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