Colorado movie killings spark rise in gun sales

josevolution

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

according to this the shooters gun was NOT an assult rifle...so why all the hub bub about assulf rifles ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

what do you all think classifies any weapon an assult weapon ?
the weapon has to be able fire full auto and this wapon did not I believe.
is it just the weapon is scary looking and everybody needs a direction to point
with out really knowing the facts about the weapon, yes people tragically died but it seem that the people
screaming the most know little about weapondry.
just my thought on it.

Godfather.

So that is considered a hunting rifle

don't feel bad I diden't know either until today.

Godfather.

My sarcastic overtone flew right over your head sorry about that .....

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

according to this the shooters gun was NOT an assult rifle...so why all the hub bub about assulf rifles ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

what do you all think classifies any weapon an assult weapon ?
the weapon has to be able fire full auto and this wapon did not I believe.
is it just the weapon is scary looking and everybody needs a direction to point
with out really knowing the facts about the weapon, yes people tragically died but it seem that the people
screaming the most know little about weapondry.
just my thought on it.

Godfather.

Who cares about the specifics... They're saying the AR-15 Holmes had either had 100 capacity magazine or maybe 30...its excessive.
And I don't need to know shit about weaponry to know that the USA has the most guns on the planet and coincidentally, the most shooting deaths. That correlation is no concern to you?

eeeezzzzzzz bronco I just pointed out that holmes ar-15 is not an assult rifle and btw I am glad we have the most guns in the world...it stoped japan from attacking the california coast during WWII , remember the "gun behind every blade of grass" comment when they were asked why they did not attack our shores ?


Godfather.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

[
It seems it is a worldwide problem but the devaluation of life in America, a rise in mental illness,
1 out of 5 now in the US, and the lack of good affordable readily available treatment for
those in need, these are the reasons for gun violence, not the guns themselves.

I didn't quote everything, so I apologize in advance if I've missed something you'd want to have included, but I just wanted to clarify - do you think the prevalence of mental illness is one of the major contributing factors for gun violence? If so, can you provide some statistics to support that cause and effect?

JonnyPistachio

MotoDC wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

according to this the shooters gun was NOT an assult rifle...so why all the hub bub about assulf rifles ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

what do you all think classifies any weapon an assult weapon ?
the weapon has to be able fire full auto and this wapon did not I believe.
is it just the weapon is scary looking and everybody needs a direction to point
with out really knowing the facts about the weapon, yes people tragically died but it seem that the people
screaming the most know little about weapondry.
just my thought on it.

Godfather.

Who cares about the specifics... They're saying the AR-15 Holmes had either had 100 capacity magazine or maybe 30...its excessive.
And I don't need to know shit about weaponry to know that the USA has the most guns on the planet and coincidentally, the most shooting deaths. That correlation is no concern to you?

Zero chance it had a 100 round magazine. 30 would be more likely.

That aside, didn't high-cap mags get banned a while back?

Saw this in a few places, dont know how true it is:

"He lobbed gas canisters at the crowd, then opened fire. By the time police arrived, 90 seconds later, Holmes had shot dozens of people because his rifle was modified with a high-powered drum magazine that allowed him to fire immense amounts of bullets without reloading. "It was a pretty rapid pace of fire in that theater," Oates said.

The high-capacity magazine had also been prohibited under the assault weapon ban, and even though the federal law expired a few states outlaw the devices. Colorado, which has relatively permissive gun laws, does not.

Colorado State Senator John Morse, a Democrat, said he wished the state barred large-capacity magazines and guns like the AR-15, but he does not expect the attack to make that likely. "The NRA has managed to convince the country that this has to happen to protect our Second Amendment rights," Morse said. "As long as we let people buy these guns, we will bury our children."

Rep Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), whose husband was killed in a mass shooting on the Long Island Railroad in 1993, has proposed a ban on high-capacity magazines in Congress but acknowledges it has little chance of passage. She said she was horrified by the shooting but most shocked by the other material that Holmes allegedly accumulated -- the bullets and combat gear."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/2 ... 94451.html

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

according to this the shooters gun was NOT an assult rifle...so why all the hub bub about assulf rifles ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

what do you all think classifies any weapon an assult weapon ?
the weapon has to be able fire full auto and this wapon did not I believe.
is it just the weapon is scary looking and everybody needs a direction to point
with out really knowing the facts about the weapon, yes people tragically died but it seem that the people
screaming the most know little about weapondry.
just my thought on it.

Godfather.

Who cares about the specifics... They're saying the AR-15 Holmes had either had 100 capacity magazine or maybe 30...its excessive.
And I don't need to know shit about weaponry to know that the USA has the most guns on the planet and coincidentally, the most shooting deaths. That correlation is no concern to you?

eeeezzzzzzz bronco I just pointed out that holmes ar-15 is not an assult rifle and btw I am glad we have the most guns in the world...it stoped japan from attacking the california coast during WWII , remember the "gun behind every blade of grass" comment when they were asked why they did not attack our shores ?


Godfather.

You also implied that people who dont know about the specifics of these guns cant have an opinion. And No, I don't recall how our massive stockpile of guns saved us from Japan. I learned something today...But rest assured, anyone would be silly to attack us with guns these days, knowing how overly prepared our private citizens are...unless they use improvised missiles such as an airliner I suppose...boy did that make its way around our massive arsenal or what?!?! :fp:

Godfather.

you seem to be having a bad day JP I hope you feel better on friday.

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

you seem to be having a bad day JP I hope you feel better on friday.

Godfather.

Dont get defensive because I called you out on something silly. I'm not upset, just pointing it out.
I'm having a great day actually, thanks.

blueandwhite

pandora wrote:

Yes I would say too late when our gun sales here in GA went up by 300%, after the shooting,
compared to the same day last year.
Not only are guns needed they are wanted.
Guns protect.

That's interesting; I'm always hearing that guns don't kill, people kill yet apparently it's okay to flip it around and say 'guns protect'. If guns protect, they also kill.

Fortunately, guns are neither needed or wanted in Canada and other parts of the world in the same way they are needed in the US. I guess you guys are just better killers and protectors than the rest of us.

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

you seem to be having a bad day JP I hope you feel better on friday.

Godfather.

Dont get defensive because I called you out on something silly. I'm not upset, just pointing it out.
I'm having a great day actually, thanks.

you da man JP enjoy your weekend !

Godfather.

Snakeduck

Christians and their guns... just like Jesus taught right? Everyone thinking they've got the inside track on heaven but they're all afraid to die and experience this eternal bliss they so believe in... Seems like you should thank the person that ends your toil here on earth prematurely. Or at least forgive them...

catefrances

Snakeduck wrote:

Christians and their guns... just like Jesus taught right? Everyone thinking they've got the inside track on heaven but they're all afraid to die and experience this eternal bliss they so believe in... Seems like you should thank the person that ends your toil here on earth prematurely. Or at least forgive them...

itd be hilarious watching them all trying to get past st peter...

Aero83_

yep, same thing happened after the Arizona shooting. Glock sales went through the roof, funny how people react to things. Pardon if thats already been mentioned in here..

g under p

Mark Fiore has some good points here.....WATCH: Arming Ourselves With the Facts [Fiore Cartoon]

Peace

Godfather.

catefrances wrote:

Snakeduck wrote:

Christians and their guns... just like Jesus taught right? Everyone thinking they've got the inside track on heaven but they're all afraid to die and experience this eternal bliss they so believe in... Seems like you should thank the person that ends your toil here on earth prematurely. Or at least forgive them...

itd be hilarious watching them all trying to get past st peter...

how old are you guy's ?

Godfather.

pandora

blueandwhite wrote:

pandora wrote:

Yes I would say too late when our gun sales here in GA went up by 300%, after the shooting,
compared to the same day last year.
Not only are guns needed they are wanted.
Guns protect.

That's interesting; I'm always hearing that guns don't kill, people kill yet apparently it's okay to flip it around and say 'guns protect'. If guns protect, they also kill.

Fortunately, guns are neither needed or wanted in Canada and other parts of the world in the same way they are needed in the US. I guess you guys are just better killers and protectors than the rest of us.

When people make their livelihood out of victimizing others and do not value life
it is prudent to protect the lives one values.
Responsible gun owners do just that ... protect.

Canada ranks 13 in gun ownership out of 178 countries of the world.

I would say you have enough guns there for you to
at least understand responsible gun ownership.
Funny that those that want to ban guns in other countries will not even extend
that understanding.

Again comparing other countries, lacking the unique problems of the magnitude the US has,
is ridiculous. There is no comparison.

pandora

Snakeduck wrote:

Christians and their guns... just like Jesus taught right? Everyone thinking they've got the inside track on heaven but they're all afraid to die and experience this eternal bliss they so believe in... Seems like you should thank the person that ends your toil here on earth prematurely. Or at least forgive them...

http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooti ... e-forgives

this is what Christians give me

Hope

comebackgirl

Pandora - I'm not sure if you saw my question, but could you clarify this:

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

[
It seems it is a worldwide problem but the devaluation of life in America, a rise in mental illness,
1 out of 5 now in the US, and the lack of good affordable readily available treatment for
those in need, these are the reasons for gun violence, not the guns themselves.

I didn't quote everything, so I apologize in advance if I've missed something you'd want to have included, but I just wanted to clarify - do you think the prevalence of mental illness is one of the major contributing factors for gun violence? If so, can you provide some statistics to support that cause and effect?

Thanks!

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

Pandora - I'm not sure if you saw my question, but could you clarify this:

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

[
It seems it is a worldwide problem but the devaluation of life in America, a rise in mental illness,
1 out of 5 now in the US, and the lack of good affordable readily available treatment for
those in need, these are the reasons for gun violence, not the guns themselves.

I didn't quote everything, so I apologize in advance if I've missed something you'd want to have included, but I just wanted to clarify - do you think the prevalence of mental illness is one of the major contributing factors for gun violence? If so, can you provide some statistics to support that cause and effect?

Thanks!

The worldwide problem speaks for itself as far as the countries who have experienced
mass killing in the last 25 years.

In my opinion the most contributing factor lies in the devaluation of life.

No I do not feel mental illness is a major contributing factor

1 in 5 people have mental issues and gun ownership is at least 88% here in the US that means
we have some with a history of mental illness with gun access, not a majority though of course.
The majority are responsible gun owners.

We have laws on the books to protect against this that are not being enforced as we see
in the news currently.

My point in the mental illness issue is that we need affordable, readily accessible mental health
treatment before violence occurs, not after the fact.

Loughner was able to get guns and kill a little girl and others in the Gifford shooting.
He was, after the fact, found to be a schizophrenic. My hope would be that could have
been diagnosed before violence.

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

blueandwhite wrote:

pandora wrote:

Yes I would say too late when our gun sales here in GA went up by 300%, after the shooting,
compared to the same day last year.
Not only are guns needed they are wanted.
Guns protect.

That's interesting; I'm always hearing that guns don't kill, people kill yet apparently it's okay to flip it around and say 'guns protect'. If guns protect, they also kill.

Fortunately, guns are neither needed or wanted in Canada and other parts of the world in the same way they are needed in the US. I guess you guys are just better killers and protectors than the rest of us.

When people make their livelihood out of victimizing others and do not value life
it is prudent to protect the lives one values.
Responsible gun owners do just that ... protect.

Canada ranks 13 in gun ownership out of 178 countries of the world.

I would say you have enough guns there for you to
at least understand responsible gun ownership.
Funny that those that want to ban guns in other countries will not even extend
that understanding.

Again comparing other countries, lacking the unique problems of the magnitude the US has,
is ridiculous. There is no comparison.

I havent seen anywhere that Blueandwhite said the US should ban guns. In fact, they said they're ok with Americans wanting their guns. Just keep in mind that most people here are just talking about some restrictions and better laws. And I'm not sure where you deduced that they dont have an understanding about responsible gun ownership. Even if Canada is 13th in ownership, I have a feeling that its an extremely small percentage compared to the per capita numbers that the US has.

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

blueandwhite wrote:

That's interesting; I'm always hearing that guns don't kill, people kill yet apparently it's okay to flip it around and say 'guns protect'. If guns protect, they also kill.

Fortunately,guns are neither needed or wanted in Canadaand other parts of the world in the same way they are needed in the US. I guess you guys are just better killers and protectors than the rest of us.

When people make their livelihood out of victimizing others and do not value life
it is prudent to protect the lives one values.
Responsible gun owners do just that ... protect.

Canada ranks 13 in gun ownership out of 178 countries of the world.

I would say you have enough guns there for you to
at least understand responsible gun ownership.
Funny that those that want to ban guns in other countries will not even extend
that understanding.

Again comparing other countries, lacking the unique problems of the magnitude the US has,
is ridiculous. There is no comparison.

I havent seen anywhere that Blueandwhite said the US should ban guns. In fact, they said they're ok with Americans wanting their guns. Just keep in mind that most people here are just talking about some restrictions and better laws. And I'm not sure where you deduced that they dont have an understanding about responsible gun ownership. Even if Canada is 13th in ownership, I have a feeling that its an extremely small percentage compared to the per capita numbers that the US has.

I deduce that from the derogatory, insulting, unfounded and biased
statement bolded above, my fellow American citizen.

This statement identifies the lack of understanding and compassion
for the unique problems of the US
that has brought gun violence and makes owning a gun in many parts
a responsible and prudent need.

We have laws... let's enforce them!