I've been thinking about the Virginia Tech shooter. He purchased his guns legally from a licensed gun dealer. He might also have registered his guns for the purpose of conceal carry, but I'm not sure; I don't think I've ever heard one way or the other. However, he should never have been allowed to purchase a gun because of his documented mental illness history. A lot of people ignored obvious signs and dropped the ball in that case. If he would have been reeled in much sooner then he would not have purchased those guns legally.
The Colorado shooter had no documented history of mental illness, so that case is much harder to swallow. But, if there were legitimate mechanisms in place to track large gun/ammo purchases then it's possible he could have been caught and detered. Or maybe not.
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yes I would agree that people who do everything right are not ALWAYS the ones killing people but you must also agree that the more weapons that are out there the easier it is for people to get them.
I also agree 100% that there has to be better way to track where large amount of guns are being bought but I wonder if the NRA and other groups would agree to that.
I agree, but, for example, if private gun ownership were banned in this country then law abiding citizens would be at a distinct disadvantage because criminals would still get their paws on guns to use against the citizenry. Banning guns would be the best thing this country could do for criminals.[/quote]
I have never suggested a ban on guns. I still think we have to look at the reason why people shoot. what I think most people including myself are saying is that we have to put restricted on what weapons people can use.
I agree with you but the issue is that some people are not careful where they keep there guns. secondly, if guns are used for protection in the home how secure can you store those weapons without actually making them ineffective. Let's say you store them in a safe and a robber breaks into yoru home in the night, are you going to have time to open that safe and get the gun out to shoot that person. maybe you will but maybe not. for a gun to be effective in this type of situation don't you have to have the gun somewhere open to grab it to use. if you do that can a robber not be able to steal that gun?
secondly, again would it not be fair to say that some guns not all mind you that are sold on the streets might also be stolen?[/quote]
I keep my handgun for home protection under my bed in arms reach. My late grandmother who lived alone always kept her .38 right next to her bed on her nightstand. Any other guns such as riles, shotguns, etc., that are not used for protection are the ones to be locked into safes.[/quote]
I am guessing you use the rife and shotguns for hunting? do you keep those guns under your bed only when you are sleeping or is it there at all times.
Actually that might be too personal so don't feel that you have to answer that.[/quote]
I live alone. I don't own a rifle. I have a 12-gauge shotgun that remains unloaded at all times and is in the back of my walk-in closet in a secure device that would take a lot of work for someone to steal. It's a hunting gun that I use for bird hunting that I only use occasionally. I'm not a big game deer hunter, etc., so I don't need a rifle for that purpose. I got my shotgun as a Christmas gift when I was in the 5th grade and was my first and only long-barrell gun.
As for my pistol, when I carry it out in public, I put it under my car seat or on the seat next to me. I never carry it into places of business, but I could as long as the business doesn't have a sign posted prohibiting folks from bringing their guns onto the premises.
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Candada and Australia are very differently demographically than the United States and don't have huge populations that the U.S. has. Comparing guns in those two countries to the United States isn't a fair comparison.
Fairness has nothing to do with it. There are numerous developed countries that have populations that are every bit as dense as the United States, yet they have managed to curb gun violence. As for Canada's population, while most of the nation is sparsely populated Canada's metropolitan areas are just as densely populated as most American cities. Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal for example aren't exactly isolated areas. Per-capita, gun crime in the US is a unique phenomenon when compared to other developed nations.
Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with Americans wanting their guns. I simply don't buy into the notion that firearms makes you safe. Americans always seem to have an explanation as to why they are the exception to the rule, but when push comes to shove your nation has a serious gun problem.
Candada and Australia are very differently demographically than the United States and don't have huge populations that the U.S. has. Comparing guns in those two countries to the United States isn't a fair comparison.
Fairness has nothing to do with it. There are numerous developed countries that have populations that are every bit as dense as the United States, yet they have managed to curb gun violence. As for Canada's population, while most of the nation is sparsely populated Canada's metropolitan areas are just as densely populated as most American cities. Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal for example aren't exactly isolated areas. Per-capita, gun crime in the US is a unique phenomenon when compared to other developed nations.
Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with Americans wanting their guns. I simply don't buy into the notion that firearms makes you safe. Americans always seem to have an explanation as to why they are the exception to the rule, but when push comes to shove your nation has a serious gun problem.
The United States is much more diverse and complex demographically and we have a huge gang problem throughout large areas of the country. Oakland, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Memphis, Nashville, Columbus, Houston, Phoenix, New Orleans, Detroit, Birmingham, Jackson, Mississippi, Miami, etc. Just look at the majority of the mugshots on the news and you'll see. Guns crimes are very disproportionate in those cities that I've listed in comparison to areas in the United States that don't have those same demographics. That's a fact. Vermont is mostly a bunch of white, affluent people with a small population and little gun problems. Atlanta is a huge metropolis with a white minority and high gun crime. Before I go too far, and have people accuse me of being insensitive or racist (which I'm certainly not), I'll leave it at that.
I think I'll dial up a little 'Glorified G' and rock out for the next few minutes.
United Center (Chicago): 8/24/09
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
Candada and Australia are very differently demographically than the United States and don't have huge populations that the U.S. has. Comparing guns in those two countries to the United States isn't a fair comparison.
Fairness has nothing to do with it. There are numerous developed countries that have populations that are every bit as dense as the United States, yet they have managed to curb gun violence. As for Canada's population, while most of the nation is sparsely populated Canada's metropolitan areas are just as densely populated as most American cities. Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal for example aren't exactly isolated areas. Per-capita, gun crime in the US is a unique phenomenon when compared to other developed nations.
Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with Americans wanting their guns. I simply don't buy into the notion that firearms makes you safe. Americans always seem to have an explanation as to why they are the exception to the rule, but when push comes to shove your nation has a serious gun problem.
The United States is much more diverse and complex demographically and we have a huge gang problem throughout large areas of the country. Oakland, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Memphis, Nashville, Columbus, Houston, Phoenix, New Orleans, Detroit, Birmingham, Jackson, Mississippi, Miami, etc. Just look at the majority of the mugshots on the news and you'll see. Guns crimes are very disproportionate in those cities that I've listed to areas in the United States that don't have those same demographics. That's a fact. Vermont is mostly a bunch of white, affluent people with a small population and little gun problems. Atlanta is a huge metropolis with a white minority and high gun crime. Before I go too far, and have people accuse me of being insensitive or racist (which I'm certainly not), I'll leave it at that.
I think I'll dial up a little 'Glorified G' and rock out for the next few minutes.
But even if you take out the gang stuff we have more. We have a much greater occurrence of these mass shootings.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
The United States is much more diverse and complex demographically and we have a huge gang problem throughout large areas of the country. Oakland, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Memphis, Nashville, Columbus, Houston, Phoenix, New Orleans, Detroit, Birmingham, Jackson, Mississippi, Miami, etc. Just look at the majority of the mugshots on the news and you'll see. Guns crimes are very disproportionate in those cities that I've listed to areas in the United States that don't have those same demographics. That's a fact. Vermont is mostly a bunch of white, affluent people with a small population and little gun problems. Atlanta is a huge metropolis with a white minority and high gun crime. Before I go too far, and have people accuse me of being insensitive or racist (which I'm certainly not), I'll leave it at that.
I think I'll dial up a little 'Glorified G' and rock out for the next few minutes.[/quote]
But even if you take out the gang stuff we have more. We have a much greater occurrence of these mass shootings.[/quote]
That has a lot to do with our population being as large as it is. However, Europe has seen some of the worst mass shootings over the years. Of course the Norway massacre from 2011 comes to mind. The Norway shooting was larger than Blacksburg, Virginia, and Aurora, Colorado, combined. And Norway, keep in mind, is supposed to be a relatively gun-free nation. Our Canadian friends even saw a horrific mass shooting in Toronto earlier this year. Crazy people with guns or without guns are going to surface everywhere.
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So... you just shoot in the direction of the flashes, right? Doesn't matter who crosses your path or what is beyond the target, right? Great.
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You never know how you will react in a situation... people ALWAYS see themselves as heroic and doing the right thing. Works in movies and T.V.... too bad movies and T.V. are not reality.
Nope. No. Wrong
Explain.
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A bit off this subject... but, John Hinkley was able to fire all 6 shots from his revolver... hit 4 people, including the intended target, President Ronald Reagan... in a sea of specially trained, armed officers and agents who were operating in an alerted status.
Even if you have armed and trainned personel on-site, on the look out for shooters... people can still get injured or killed.
...
How are regular people going to do a better job than Secret Service Agents and uniformed and plain clothed police officers?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
America is a very young country compared to the other nations of the world.
Our problems here have brought gun problems with them and crime.
US cities filled with Americans without hope who don't value life there own or others,
filled with people who prey on others as their livelihood.
Comparing the US to countries of old with mega histories and who were not formed
as the US was nor have the world statue and responsibility of the US is ridiculous
yet something that seems to be done quite frequently.
The fact that this incidence sparked gun sales is not puzzling at all ...
look at Atl. When you know every bad guy has a gun and there are tons,
its a good idea to be prepared. It is prudent to protect yourself and loved ones.
As far as understanding, it is very easy to understand the victims,
imagine what they are going through, lend love and support.
It is far more difficult to extend that to the shooter.
So many fill themselves with hate this is much easier.
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If the case argued is true... then, wouldn't the Middle East be one of the safest regions in the world? I mean, the place is as old as dirt, everyone over there seems to own a gun and they have a lot of love for the guy who pulls the trigger.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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So... you just shoot in the direction of the flashes, right? Doesn't matter who crosses your path or what is beyond the target, right? Great.
...
You never know how you will react in a situation... people ALWAYS see themselves as heroic and doing the right thing. Works in movies and T.V.... too bad movies and T.V. are not reality.
Nope. No. Wrong[/quote]
Explain.[/quote]
...
A bit off this subject... but, John Hinkley was able to fire all 6 shots from his revolver... hit 4 people, including the intended target, President Ronald Reagan... in a sea of specially trained, armed officers and agents who were operating in an alerted status.
Even if you have armed and trainned personel on-site, on the look out for shooters... people can still get injured or killed.
...
How are regular people going to do a better job than Secret Service Agents and uniformed and plain clothed police officers?[/quote]
I don't think that this is off topic at all. one if the main arguments that people have been using is that if everyone had guns then this person would not have been able to shoot all those people.
I contend that even if more people had guns they still might be scared to use or too scared 5to use properly.
ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.
I don't think that this is off topic at all. one if the main arguments that people have been using is that if everyone had guns then this person would not have been able to shoot all those people.
I contend that even if more people had guns they still might be scared to use or too scared to use properly.
ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.
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And... what if everyone carried a gun... would EVERYONE know how to handle a weapon? I mean, everyone has a fucking car, right? Do ALL of the drivers know what they are doing out on the road?
From my experience, the answer is no... not ALL drivers are skilled at driving. Why would i believe that everyone would be skilled gunmen?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't think that this is off topic at all. one if the main arguments that people have been using is that if everyone had guns then this person would not have been able to shoot all those people.
I contend that even if more people had guns they still might be scared to use or too scared to use properly.
ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.
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And... what if everyone carried a gun... would EVERYONE know how to handle a weapon? I mean, everyone has a fucking car, right? Do ALL of the drivers know what they are doing out on the road?
From my experience, the answer is no... not ALL drivers are skilled at driving. Why would i believe that everyone would be skilled gunmen?
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If the case argued is true... then, wouldn't the Middle East be one of the safest regions in the world? I mean, the place is as old as dirt, everyone over there seems to own a gun and they have a lot of love for the guy who pulls the trigger.
ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back.
ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back.
ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.
I wasnt shot at deliberately, but a shotgun round slightly missed my head back in 1998. I remember the year because after the fact, I was recalling how lucky I was to get a chance to hear Yield, had I died. Anyways, it was an accidental discharge from a friend, but I have to say, the shock and volume of the blast just about knocked me over. I coudnt hear out of my left ear for a few days. After the gun discharged, there was a few moments that I honestly don't recall. I went towards the nearest bedroom and crouched down, trying to get my bearings. I dont even remember going into the adjacent bedroom.
I cant imagine how hard it would be if an assailant had the element of surprise.
"I live alone. I don't own a rifle. I have a 12-gauge shotgun that remains unloaded at all times and is in the back of my walk-in closet in a secure device that would take a lot of work for someone to steal. It's a hunting gun that I use for bird hunting that I only use occasionally. I'm not a big game deer hunter, etc., so I don't need a rifle for that purpose. I got my shotgun as a Christmas gift when I was in the 5th grade and was my first and only long-barrell gun.
As for my pistol, when I carry it out in public, I put it under my car seat or on the seat next to me. I never carry it into places of business, but I could as long as the business doesn't have a sign posted prohibiting folks from bringing their guns onto the premises.[/quote]
thanks for answering the questions. I hope you don't think that I am bothering you but I do have more questions to understand things better. I will have to admit that I have never thought of owing a gun of any sort.
I am just trying to understand why people feel safe with a gun. to begin, I wonder why people bring guns into their car? For me, i don't see how a gun under my seat is going to protect me if someone tried to shoot me. or do you mean that you keep the gun in the seat next to you while you drive and then put it under your seat when you are not driving?
ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.
I wasnt shot at deliberately, but a shotgun round slightly missed my head back in 1998. I remember the year because after the fact, I was recalling how lucky I was to get a chance to hear Yield, had I died. Anyways, it was an accidental discharge from a friend, but I have to say, the shock and volume of the blast just about knocked me over. I coudnt hear out of my left ear for a few days. After the gun discharged, there was a few moments that I honestly don't recall. I went towards the nearest bedroom and crouched down, trying to get my bearings. I dont even remember going into the adjacent bedroom.
I cant imagine how hard it would be if an assailant had the element of surprise.
thats how I felt also. I can understand if you were in the army or something and had so much training around using guns and getting comfortable with be shot at and responding so fast but how many people who own guns have that type of training?
"I live alone. I don't own a rifle. I have a 12-gauge shotgun that remains unloaded at all times and is in the back of my walk-in closet in a secure device that would take a lot of work for someone to steal. It's a hunting gun that I use for bird hunting that I only use occasionally. I'm not a big game deer hunter, etc., so I don't need a rifle for that purpose. I got my shotgun as a Christmas gift when I was in the 5th grade and was my first and only long-barrell gun.
As for my pistol, when I carry it out in public, I put it under my car seat or on the seat next to me. I never carry it into places of business, but I could as long as the business doesn't have a sign posted prohibiting folks from bringing their guns onto the premises.
thanks for answering the questions. I hope you don't think that I am bothering you but I do have more questions to understand things better. I will have to admit that I have never thought of owing a gun of any sort.
I am just trying to understand why people feel safe with a gun. to begin, I wonder why people bring guns into their car? For me, i don't see how a gun under my seat is going to protect me if someone tried to shoot me. or do you mean that you keep the gun in the seat next to you while you drive and then put it under your seat when you are not driving?[/quote]
I feel like I need a gun when I'm out in public much more than when I'm at home. I have it within arms reach when it's in my car so that I can pull it out and point it at someone if a person approaches my car to threaten me. There's one particular town that I travel through on a regular basis that has a lot of people who loiter near two traffic lights at night. I guarantee you that most of those people either have guns on them or knives. If one or more decides to target me, they are going to be met with a nice surprise. You never know when you're going to need a gun to protect yourself. Pointing a gun at someone should do the trick and you won't have to pull the trigger.
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You know... someone might shoot up a school... better bring the arsenal in the Dodge Mini-van when we pick the kid up from grade school. Might want to lock and load at the soccer game this weekend, too... better safe than sorry. And the Olive Garden for that birthday party... never know when a 'Psycho' is goin to bring a gun and shoot it up.
I'm sure glad I'm level headed and thinking about 'Safety First'.
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America is a very young country compared to the other nations of the world.
Our problems here have brought gun problems with them and crime.
US cities filled with Americans without hope who don't value life there own or others,
filled with people who prey on others as their livelihood.
Comparing the US to countries of old with mega histories and who were not formed
as the US was nor have the world statue and responsibility of the US is ridiculous
yet something that seems to be done quite frequently.
The fact that this incidence sparked gun sales is not puzzling at all ...
look at Atl. When you know every bad guy has a gun and there are tons,
its a good idea to be prepared. It is prudent to protect yourself and loved ones.
As far as understanding, it is very easy to understand the victims,
imagine what they are going through, lend love and support.
It is far more difficult to extend that to the shooter.
So many fill themselves with hate this is much easier.
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take a good look
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lie beside me
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The Colorado shooter had no documented history of mental illness, so that case is much harder to swallow. But, if there were legitimate mechanisms in place to track large gun/ammo purchases then it's possible he could have been caught and detered. Or maybe not.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
I agree, but, for example, if private gun ownership were banned in this country then law abiding citizens would be at a distinct disadvantage because criminals would still get their paws on guns to use against the citizenry. Banning guns would be the best thing this country could do for criminals.[/quote]
I have never suggested a ban on guns. I still think we have to look at the reason why people shoot. what I think most people including myself are saying is that we have to put restricted on what weapons people can use.
secondly, again would it not be fair to say that some guns not all mind you that are sold on the streets might also be stolen?[/quote]
I keep my handgun for home protection under my bed in arms reach. My late grandmother who lived alone always kept her .38 right next to her bed on her nightstand. Any other guns such as riles, shotguns, etc., that are not used for protection are the ones to be locked into safes.[/quote]
I am guessing you use the rife and shotguns for hunting? do you keep those guns under your bed only when you are sleeping or is it there at all times.
Actually that might be too personal so don't feel that you have to answer that.[/quote]
I live alone. I don't own a rifle. I have a 12-gauge shotgun that remains unloaded at all times and is in the back of my walk-in closet in a secure device that would take a lot of work for someone to steal. It's a hunting gun that I use for bird hunting that I only use occasionally. I'm not a big game deer hunter, etc., so I don't need a rifle for that purpose. I got my shotgun as a Christmas gift when I was in the 5th grade and was my first and only long-barrell gun.
As for my pistol, when I carry it out in public, I put it under my car seat or on the seat next to me. I never carry it into places of business, but I could as long as the business doesn't have a sign posted prohibiting folks from bringing their guns onto the premises.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
Fairness has nothing to do with it. There are numerous developed countries that have populations that are every bit as dense as the United States, yet they have managed to curb gun violence. As for Canada's population, while most of the nation is sparsely populated Canada's metropolitan areas are just as densely populated as most American cities. Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal for example aren't exactly isolated areas. Per-capita, gun crime in the US is a unique phenomenon when compared to other developed nations.
Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with Americans wanting their guns. I simply don't buy into the notion that firearms makes you safe. Americans always seem to have an explanation as to why they are the exception to the rule, but when push comes to shove your nation has a serious gun problem.
The United States is much more diverse and complex demographically and we have a huge gang problem throughout large areas of the country. Oakland, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Memphis, Nashville, Columbus, Houston, Phoenix, New Orleans, Detroit, Birmingham, Jackson, Mississippi, Miami, etc. Just look at the majority of the mugshots on the news and you'll see. Guns crimes are very disproportionate in those cities that I've listed in comparison to areas in the United States that don't have those same demographics. That's a fact. Vermont is mostly a bunch of white, affluent people with a small population and little gun problems. Atlanta is a huge metropolis with a white minority and high gun crime. Before I go too far, and have people accuse me of being insensitive or racist (which I'm certainly not), I'll leave it at that.
I think I'll dial up a little 'Glorified G' and rock out for the next few minutes.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
But even if you take out the gang stuff we have more. We have a much greater occurrence of these mass shootings.
I think I'll dial up a little 'Glorified G' and rock out for the next few minutes.[/quote]
But even if you take out the gang stuff we have more. We have a much greater occurrence of these mass shootings.[/quote]
That has a lot to do with our population being as large as it is. However, Europe has seen some of the worst mass shootings over the years. Of course the Norway massacre from 2011 comes to mind. The Norway shooting was larger than Blacksburg, Virginia, and Aurora, Colorado, combined. And Norway, keep in mind, is supposed to be a relatively gun-free nation. Our Canadian friends even saw a horrific mass shooting in Toronto earlier this year. Crazy people with guns or without guns are going to surface everywhere.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
A bit off this subject... but, John Hinkley was able to fire all 6 shots from his revolver... hit 4 people, including the intended target, President Ronald Reagan... in a sea of specially trained, armed officers and agents who were operating in an alerted status.
Even if you have armed and trainned personel on-site, on the look out for shooters... people can still get injured or killed.
...
How are regular people going to do a better job than Secret Service Agents and uniformed and plain clothed police officers?
Hail, Hail!!!
If the case argued is true... then, wouldn't the Middle East be one of the safest regions in the world? I mean, the place is as old as dirt, everyone over there seems to own a gun and they have a lot of love for the guy who pulls the trigger.
Hail, Hail!!!
Nope. No. Wrong[/quote]
Explain.[/quote]
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A bit off this subject... but, John Hinkley was able to fire all 6 shots from his revolver... hit 4 people, including the intended target, President Ronald Reagan... in a sea of specially trained, armed officers and agents who were operating in an alerted status.
Even if you have armed and trainned personel on-site, on the look out for shooters... people can still get injured or killed.
...
How are regular people going to do a better job than Secret Service Agents and uniformed and plain clothed police officers?[/quote]
I don't think that this is off topic at all. one if the main arguments that people have been using is that if everyone had guns then this person would not have been able to shoot all those people.
I contend that even if more people had guns they still might be scared to use or too scared 5to use properly.
ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.
And... what if everyone carried a gun... would EVERYONE know how to handle a weapon? I mean, everyone has a fucking car, right? Do ALL of the drivers know what they are doing out on the road?
From my experience, the answer is no... not ALL drivers are skilled at driving. Why would i believe that everyone would be skilled gunmen?
Hail, Hail!!!
Completely and 100% agree
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If so, yes and yes.
no bb guns don't count but good try
I wasnt shot at deliberately, but a shotgun round slightly missed my head back in 1998. I remember the year because after the fact, I was recalling how lucky I was to get a chance to hear Yield, had I died. Anyways, it was an accidental discharge from a friend, but I have to say, the shock and volume of the blast just about knocked me over. I coudnt hear out of my left ear for a few days. After the gun discharged, there was a few moments that I honestly don't recall. I went towards the nearest bedroom and crouched down, trying to get my bearings. I dont even remember going into the adjacent bedroom.
I cant imagine how hard it would be if an assailant had the element of surprise.
As for my pistol, when I carry it out in public, I put it under my car seat or on the seat next to me. I never carry it into places of business, but I could as long as the business doesn't have a sign posted prohibiting folks from bringing their guns onto the premises.[/quote]
thanks for answering the questions. I hope you don't think that I am bothering you but I do have more questions to understand things better. I will have to admit that I have never thought of owing a gun of any sort.
I am just trying to understand why people feel safe with a gun. to begin, I wonder why people bring guns into their car? For me, i don't see how a gun under my seat is going to protect me if someone tried to shoot me. or do you mean that you keep the gun in the seat next to you while you drive and then put it under your seat when you are not driving?
thats how I felt also. I can understand if you were in the army or something and had so much training around using guns and getting comfortable with be shot at and responding so fast but how many people who own guns have that type of training?
thanks for answering the questions. I hope you don't think that I am bothering you but I do have more questions to understand things better. I will have to admit that I have never thought of owing a gun of any sort.
I am just trying to understand why people feel safe with a gun. to begin, I wonder why people bring guns into their car? For me, i don't see how a gun under my seat is going to protect me if someone tried to shoot me. or do you mean that you keep the gun in the seat next to you while you drive and then put it under your seat when you are not driving?[/quote]
I feel like I need a gun when I'm out in public much more than when I'm at home. I have it within arms reach when it's in my car so that I can pull it out and point it at someone if a person approaches my car to threaten me. There's one particular town that I travel through on a regular basis that has a lot of people who loiter near two traffic lights at night. I guarantee you that most of those people either have guns on them or knives. If one or more decides to target me, they are going to be met with a nice surprise. You never know when you're going to need a gun to protect yourself. Pointing a gun at someone should do the trick and you won't have to pull the trigger.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8
As well as with my favorite PJ song from Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OraWn4CFFG4
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
I can't get youtube at work but i should remind you that Scarface does die in the end at his home with alot of guns on his side.
I've learned from his mistakes.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
so your not a drug dealer mobster who has guns at home
http://www.oregonlive.com/argus/index.s ... _wont.html
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
America Fuck Yeah!
You know... someone might shoot up a school... better bring the arsenal in the Dodge Mini-van when we pick the kid up from grade school. Might want to lock and load at the soccer game this weekend, too... better safe than sorry. And the Olive Garden for that birthday party... never know when a 'Psycho' is goin to bring a gun and shoot it up.
I'm sure glad I'm level headed and thinking about 'Safety First'.
Hail, Hail!!!
Reminds me of that Yosemite Sam/Bugs Bunny stand off where they each pull out 6, 8, 10, 50, 100 shooters.
Reeeeee-dickuluth!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say