Colorado movie killings spark rise in gun sales

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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Cosmo wrote:
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    the flashes coming from the murderers barrel would lead you in the right direction. trust me.
    ...
    So... you just shoot in the direction of the flashes, right? Doesn't matter who crosses your path or what is beyond the target, right? Great.
    ...
    You never know how you will react in a situation... people ALWAYS see themselves as heroic and doing the right thing. Works in movies and T.V.... too bad movies and T.V. are not reality.

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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    the flashes coming from the murderers barrel would lead you in the right direction. trust me.
    ...
    So... you just shoot in the direction of the flashes, right? Doesn't matter who crosses your path or what is beyond the target, right? Great.
    ...
    You never know how you will react in a situation... people ALWAYS see themselves as heroic and doing the right thing. Works in movies and T.V.... too bad movies and T.V. are not reality.

    Nope. No. Wrong
    Explain.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    a country can never have too many guns in the hands of the general populace. :roll:
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    fife wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    fife wrote:
    asked the victims of the DC sniper if having a gun made them feel safer? the reality is that having guns on the streets is not safe and having more people with guns is not safe.
    The reality is that your examples are so deep into outlier territory that my attempt at humor seemed the most appropriate way to make the point. The University of Texas sniper? The DC sniper? Those aren't really the risks that most gun owners are trying to mitigate by carrying.

    ok, but would you not then agree than that most gun owners don't assume that they should bring their guns to watch a movie then? I think most gun owners are trying to protect their homes i.e someone breaks into their homes and they want to protect themselves.

    Would you agree to that.

    yes..plain and simple..yes.

    Godfather.[/quote]

    then would you agree that if that is the case why are people allowed to have guns in public?[/quote]


    the 2nd amendment, besides I don't know about any place else but in california if a cop see's a person carring a weapon out for everybody to see they will stop that person and in most cases take the weapon and ..or arrest them for something...right ?


    Godfather.
  • your move now
    your move now Posts: 1,165
    I never said ban all guns but it isn't a coincidence that these things happen more often in the US - where your gunlaws are from my pov anyway insanely lax - than any other western nation
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    America is a very young country compared to the other nations of the world.
    Our problems here have brought gun problems with them and crime.
    US cities filled with Americans without hope who don't value life there own or others,
    filled with people who prey on others as their livelihood.

    Comparing the US to countries of old with mega histories and who were not formed
    as the US was nor have the world statue and responsibility of the US is ridiculous
    yet something that seems to be done quite frequently.

    The fact that this incidence sparked gun sales is not puzzling at all ...
    look at Atl. When you know every bad guy has a gun and there are tons,
    its a good idea to be prepared. It is prudent to protect yourself and loved ones.

    As far as understanding, it is very easy to understand the victims,
    imagine what they are going through, lend love and support.
    It is far more difficult to extend that to the shooter.
    So many fill themselves with hate this is much easier.
  • your move now
    your move now Posts: 1,165
    pandora if that's in response to my comment then it is irrelevant because my country - and hence my norm - isn't an older country than the states
    pandora wrote:
    America is a very young country compared to the other nations of the world.
    Our problems here have brought gun problems with them and crime.
    US cities filled with Americans without hope who don't value life there own or others,
    filled with people who prey on others as their livelihood.

    Comparing the US to countries of old with mega histories and who were not formed
    as the US was nor have the world statue and responsibility of the US is ridiculous
    yet something that seems to be done quite frequently.

    The fact that this incidence sparked gun sales is not puzzling at all ...
    look at Atl. When you know every bad guy has a gun and there are tons,
    its a good idea to be prepared. It is prudent to protect yourself and loved ones.

    As far as understanding, it is very easy to understand the victims,
    imagine what they are going through, lend love and support.
    It is far more difficult to extend that to the shooter.
    So many fill themselves with hate this is much easier.
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    I don't get the concealed shit. I want to know who has what. If some of you truly believe that armed citizens deter crime then wouldn't that be the best way?
    That's why it HAS to be concealed. So you dont know who has what. You don't get it.

    but the other side is that you don't know who is walking around not giving a shit who has what.

    I have a question for everyone here. has anyone been shot at and has shot back at a person and if not how confident are you that you would not panic.

    Also, I have a question for any police officer here. If you enter a place like the movies during this last shooting and instead of 1 person shooting but had say 50 people shooting what would you think and do?
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    fife wrote:
    I have a question for everyone here. has anyone been shot at and has shot back at a person and if not how confident are you that you would not panic.

    Also, I have a question for any police officer here. If you enter a place like the movies during this last shooting and instead of 1 person shooting but had say 50 people shooting what would you think and do?

    Those are great questions.

    Personally, I don't want to shoot and kill anyone....even if they are a bad person, so that's why I'm not carrying a gun.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    fife wrote:
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    I don't get the concealed shit. I want to know who has what. If some of you truly believe that armed citizens deter crime then wouldn't that be the best way?
    That's why it HAS to be concealed. So you dont know who has what. You don't get it.

    but the other side is that you don't know who is walking around not giving a shit who has what.

    I have a question for everyone here. has anyone been shot at and has shot back at a person and if not how confident are you that you would not panic.

    Also, I have a question for any police officer here. If you enter a place like the movies during this last shooting and instead of 1 person shooting but had say 50 people shooting what would you think and do?

    I'm not a police officer but I have been shot at but did not have a gun on me and that was scary..I heard the bullet buzz right past my head,at that moment I was wishing I had a gun on me but as it turned out before I could even get out of the building the police had the shooter face down with a shotgun at the back of his head...talk about taking a deep breath.. :lol:

    I compleatly understand what you are getting at and even agree but still don't believe we as honest citizens should give up our right to arm ourselfs for protection, once we loose our right to keep and own weapons things like hunting and sports shooting will be next to go or made even harder to buy and own a weapon than it is now.

    Godfather.
  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Godfather. wrote:
    I heard the bullet buzz right past my head,at that moment I was wishing I had a gun on me but as it turned out before I could even get out of the building the police had the shooter face down with a shotgun at the back of his head..... :lol:

    yep, you were already shot at before the police were there. Stoked he missed!
    As far as police and firearms, many cops have shot very few rounds compared to many civilians who carry. Don't discount that. That said, I would still choose a cop to be shooting than a civilian, all other things being equal.
    pandora wrote:
    America is a very young country compared to the other nations of the world.
    Our problems here have brought gun problems with them and crime.
    US cities filled with Americans without hope who don't value life there own or others,
    filled with people who prey on others as their livelihood.

    Comparing the US to countries of old with mega histories and who were not formed
    as the US was nor have the world statue and responsibility of the US is ridiculous
    yet something that seems to be done quite frequently.

    The fact that this incidence sparked gun sales is not puzzling at all ...
    look at Atl. When you know every bad guy has a gun and there are tons,
    its a good idea to be prepared. It is prudent to protect yourself and loved ones.

    As far as understanding, it is very easy to understand the victims,
    imagine what they are going through, lend love and support.
    It is far more difficult to extend that to the shooter.
    So many fill themselves with hate this is much easier.

    brilliant!
  • BamaPJFan
    BamaPJFan Posts: 410
    I live in Alabama where residents are entitled to 'conceal carry' licenses. A lot of people take advantage of this law and have handguns for protection. I'm one of those people. I have a .38 Special revolver for self-defense. Despite thousands of Alabamians having a conceal carry license and carrying guns with them in public, you NEVER hear of a licensed conceal carry gun owner going on a shooting rampage.

    When you hear of shootings in Alabama (I'm using Alabama as an example since I live here), the perps are criminals who don't have concealed carry licenses and who mostly purchase their guns illegally on the street or steal the guns. So, long story short, law-abiding citizens who have a license to carry aren't out terrorizing society.

    I want to be like the elderly man in Gainesville, Florida, from a few weeks ago who derailed two gun-toting robbers in the electronic bingo hall when the man pulled out his pistol and chased the criminals off. If more people had a handgun on in their possession in public, then there would be fewer and fewer gun crimes.
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    Godfather,

    Nobody is asking you to give up all your guns. We simply need restrictions on what kinds of guns people have easy access to.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    usamamasan1 wrote:

    yep, you already shot at before the police were there. Stoked he missed!
    As far as police and firearms, many cops have shot very few rounds compared to many civilians who carry. Don't discount that. That said, I would still choose a cop to be shooting than a civilian, all other things being equal.


    think about what you just wrote. he was shot at before the cops were there but of course that would occur. unless you have mind reading skills you will never know when someone will shoot at you. if I wanted to shoot at you, who would know first me or you?

    the answer is me! if I am a good shot and don't miss then neither the cop or you packing can prevent that esp. if your gun is concealed as you want it to be
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    I live in Alabama where residents are entitled to 'conceal carry' licenses. A lot of people take advantage of this law and have handguns for protection. I'm one of those people. I have a .38 Special revolver for self-defense. Despite thousands of Alabamians having a conceal carry license and carrying guns with them in public, you NEVER hear of a licensed conceal carry gun owner going on a shooting rampage.

    When you hear of shootings in Alabama (I'm using Alabama as an example since I live here), the perps are criminals who don't have concealed carry licenses and who mostly purchase their guns illegally on the street or steal the guns. So, long story short, law-abiding citizens who have a license to carry aren't out terrorizing society.

    I want to be like the elderly man in Gainesville, Florida, from a few weeks ago who derailed two gun-toting robbers in the electronic bingo hall when the man pulled out his pistol and chased the criminals off. If more people had a handgun on in their possession in public, then there would be fewer and fewer gun crimes.

    Recently a man in Seattle killed four people and he had a carry license so it does happen.

    I agree with you on the illegal gun thing. If someone sells someone an illegal gun they should also be held responsible for any crime committed with that gun, imo.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    I live in Alabama where residents are entitled to 'conceal carry' licenses. A lot of people take advantage of this law and have handguns for protection. I'm one of those people. I have a .38 Special revolver for self-defense. Despite thousands of Alabamians having a conceal carry license and carrying guns with them in public, you NEVER hear of a licensed conceal carry gun owner going on a shooting rampage.

    When you hear of shootings in Alabama (I'm using Alabama as an example since I live here), the perps are criminals who don't have concealed carry licenses and who mostly purchase their guns illegally on the street or steal the guns. So, long story short, law-abiding citizens who have a license to carry aren't out terrorizing society.

    I want to be like the elderly man in Gainesville, Florida, from a few weeks ago who derailed two gun-toting robbers in the electronic bingo hall when the man pulled out his pistol and chased the criminals off. If more people had a handgun on in their possession in public, then there would be fewer and fewer gun crimes.

    thanks for that info but if you don't mind me asking where are the criminals stealing there guns from? I don't know that answer but I will guess that some were stolen from people houses who had guns.

    If I am wrong please forgive me
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    I think everyone in this country with a gun should from a big circle and start shooting and get it over with. Kill kill kill. So tired of this shit.
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  • BamaPJFan
    BamaPJFan Posts: 410
    ComeToTX wrote:
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    I live in Alabama where residents are entitled to 'conceal carry' licenses. A lot of people take advantage of this law and have handguns for protection. I'm one of those people. I have a .38 Special revolver for self-defense. Despite thousands of Alabamians having a conceal carry license and carrying guns with them in public, you NEVER hear of a licensed conceal carry gun owner going on a shooting rampage.

    When you hear of shootings in Alabama (I'm using Alabama as an example since I live here), the perps are criminals who don't have concealed carry licenses and who mostly purchase their guns illegally on the street or steal the guns. So, long story short, law-abiding citizens who have a license to carry aren't out terrorizing society.

    I want to be like the elderly man in Gainesville, Florida, from a few weeks ago who derailed two gun-toting robbers in the electronic bingo hall when the man pulled out his pistol and chased the criminals off. If more people had a handgun on in their possession in public, then there would be fewer and fewer gun crimes.

    Recently a man in Seattle killed four people and he had a carry license so it does happen.

    I agree with you on the illegal gun thing. If someone sells someone an illegal gun they should also be held responsible for any crime committed with that gun, imo.

    I remember the Seattle coffee house shooting recently. However, I've not heard recently (I can't remember when I've heard) of a citizen in Alabama who had a license to carry a handgun unloading on people with a legally possessed handgun. My point is that it's very rare. What's not rare is people with a criminal intent who are not licensed to carry a gun using their guns to commit crimes. The vast majority of people who commit gun crimes in Alabama and have their mugshots plastered on television or in the newspaper are career criminals; not Joe Blow who owns guns for hunting or self-defense.

    I bet the Colorado shooter did not have a license to carry. But, even if he did, his case is different because he purchased his guns for the express purpose of commiting a mass killing, instead of owning guns for self-defense.
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  • BamaPJFan
    BamaPJFan Posts: 410
    fife wrote:
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    I live in Alabama where residents are entitled to 'conceal carry' licenses. A lot of people take advantage of this law and have handguns for protection. I'm one of those people. I have a .38 Special revolver for self-defense. Despite thousands of Alabamians having a conceal carry license and carrying guns with them in public, you NEVER hear of a licensed conceal carry gun owner going on a shooting rampage.

    When you hear of shootings in Alabama (I'm using Alabama as an example since I live here), the perps are criminals who don't have concealed carry licenses and who mostly purchase their guns illegally on the street or steal the guns. So, long story short, law-abiding citizens who have a license to carry aren't out terrorizing society.

    I want to be like the elderly man in Gainesville, Florida, from a few weeks ago who derailed two gun-toting robbers in the electronic bingo hall when the man pulled out his pistol and chased the criminals off. If more people had a handgun on in their possession in public, then there would be fewer and fewer gun crimes.

    thanks for that info but if you don't mind me asking where are the criminals stealing there guns from? I don't know that answer but I will guess that some were stolen from people houses who had guns.

    If I am wrong please forgive me

    People who own guns need to put them where the guns cannot be stolen. If you're being careless with your guns then you don't need to own guns. But, I would imagine not nearly as many guns are stolen compared to the guns that are purchased on the 'street'.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    fife wrote:
    BamaPJFan wrote:
    I live in Alabama where residents are entitled to 'conceal carry' licenses. A lot of people take advantage of this law and have handguns for protection. I'm one of those people. I have a .38 Special revolver for self-defense. Despite thousands of Alabamians having a conceal carry license and carrying guns with them in public, you NEVER hear of a licensed conceal carry gun owner going on a shooting rampage.

    When you hear of shootings in Alabama (I'm using Alabama as an example since I live here), the perps are criminals who don't have concealed carry licenses and who mostly purchase their guns illegally on the street or steal the guns. So, long story short, law-abiding citizens who have a license to carry aren't out terrorizing society.

    I want to be like the elderly man in Gainesville, Florida, from a few weeks ago who derailed two gun-toting robbers in the electronic bingo hall when the man pulled out his pistol and chased the criminals off. If more people had a handgun on in their possession in public, then there would be fewer and fewer gun crimes.

    thanks for that info but if you don't mind me asking where are the criminals stealing there guns from? I don't know that answer but I will guess that some were stolen from people houses who had guns.

    If I am wrong please forgive me

    People who own guns need to put them where the guns cannot be stolen. If you're being careless with your guns then you don't need to own guns. But, I would imagine not nearly as many guns are stolen compared to the guns that are purchased on the 'street'.

    I agree with you but the issue is that some people are not careful where they keep there guns. secondly, if guns are used for protection in the home how secure can you store those weapons without actually making them ineffective. Let's say you store them in a safe and a robber breaks into yoru home in the night, are you going to have time to open that safe and get the gun out to shoot that person. maybe you will but maybe not. for a gun to be effective in this type of situation don't you have to have the gun somewhere open to grab it to use. if you do that can a robber not be able to steal that gun?

    secondly, again would it not be fair to say that some guns not all mind you that are sold on the streets might also be stolen?

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