Colorado movie killings spark rise in gun sales

fife

Cosmo wrote:

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So... you just shoot in the direction of the flashes, right? Doesn't matter who crosses your path or what is beyond the target, right? Great.
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You never know how you will react in a situation... people ALWAYS see themselves as heroic and doing the right thing. Works in movies and T.V.... too bad movies and T.V. are not reality.

Nope. No. Wrong[/quote]
Explain.[/quote]
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A bit off this subject... but, John Hinkley was able to fire all 6 shots from his revolver... hit 4 people, including the intended target, President Ronald Reagan... in a sea of specially trained, armed officers and agents who were operating in an alerted status.
Even if you have armed and trainned personel on-site, on the look out for shooters... people can still get injured or killed.
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How are regular people going to do a better job than Secret Service Agents and uniformed and plain clothed police officers?[/quote]

I don't think that this is off topic at all. one if the main arguments that people have been using is that if everyone had guns then this person would not have been able to shoot all those people.

I contend that even if more people had guns they still might be scared to use or too scared 5to use properly.

ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.

Cosmo

fife wrote:

I don't think that this is off topic at all. one if the main arguments that people have been using is that if everyone had guns then this person would not have been able to shoot all those people.

I contend that even if more people had guns they still might be scared to use or too scared to use properly.

ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.

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And... what if everyone carried a gun... would EVERYONE know how to handle a weapon? I mean, everyone has a fucking car, right? Do ALL of the drivers know what they are doing out on the road?
From my experience, the answer is no... not ALL drivers are skilled at driving. Why would i believe that everyone would be skilled gunmen?

fife

Cosmo wrote:

fife wrote:

I don't think that this is off topic at all. one if the main arguments that people have been using is that if everyone had guns then this person would not have been able to shoot all those people.

I contend that even if more people had guns they still might be scared to use or too scared to use properly.

ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.

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And... what if everyone carried a gun... would EVERYONE know how to handle a weapon? I mean, everyone has a fucking car, right? Do ALL of the drivers know what they are doing out on the road?
From my experience, the answer is no... not ALL drivers are skilled at driving. Why would i believe that everyone would be skilled gunmen?

Completely and 100% agree

Jason P

Cosmo wrote:

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If the case argued is true... then, wouldn't the Middle East be one of the safest regions in the world? I mean, the place is as old as dirt, everyone over there seems to own a gun and they have a lot of love for the guy who pulls the trigger.

Yeah, but ....

:-|

:think:

:shh: :shifty:

:corn:

Jason P

fife wrote:

ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back.

Do BB Guns count?

If so, yes and yes.

fife

Jason P wrote:

fife wrote:

ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back.

Do BB Guns count?

If so, yes and yes.

no bb guns don't count but good try

JonnyPistachio

fife wrote:

ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.

I wasnt shot at deliberately, but a shotgun round slightly missed my head back in 1998. I remember the year because after the fact, I was recalling how lucky I was to get a chance to hear Yield, had I died. Anyways, it was an accidental discharge from a friend, but I have to say, the shock and volume of the blast just about knocked me over. I coudnt hear out of my left ear for a few days. After the gun discharged, there was a few moments that I honestly don't recall. I went towards the nearest bedroom and crouched down, trying to get my bearings. I dont even remember going into the adjacent bedroom.

I cant imagine how hard it would be if an assailant had the element of surprise.

fife

"I live alone. I don't own a rifle. I have a 12-gauge shotgun that remains unloaded at all times and is in the back of my walk-in closet in a secure device that would take a lot of work for someone to steal. It's a hunting gun that I use for bird hunting that I only use occasionally. I'm not a big game deer hunter, etc., so I don't need a rifle for that purpose. I got my shotgun as a Christmas gift when I was in the 5th grade and was my first and only long-barrell gun.

As for my pistol, when I carry it out in public, I put it under my car seat or on the seat next to me. I never carry it into places of business, but I could as long as the business doesn't have a sign posted prohibiting folks from bringing their guns onto the premises.[/quote]

thanks for answering the questions. I hope you don't think that I am bothering you but I do have more questions to understand things better. I will have to admit that I have never thought of owing a gun of any sort.

I am just trying to understand why people feel safe with a gun. to begin, I wonder why people bring guns into their car? For me, i don't see how a gun under my seat is going to protect me if someone tried to shoot me. or do you mean that you keep the gun in the seat next to you while you drive and then put it under your seat when you are not driving?

fife

JonnyPistachio wrote:

fife wrote:

ealier I asked if anyone here has had a person shoot at them and responded by shooting that person and only the Godfather had said yes to being shot at but he never shot back. I think even people who have gone to a firing range may not be able to collect their thoughts and be able to look at the scene and shot the right person before the person shooting see them.

I wasnt shot at deliberately, but a shotgun round slightly missed my head back in 1998. I remember the year because after the fact, I was recalling how lucky I was to get a chance to hear Yield, had I died. Anyways, it was an accidental discharge from a friend, but I have to say, the shock and volume of the blast just about knocked me over. I coudnt hear out of my left ear for a few days. After the gun discharged, there was a few moments that I honestly don't recall. I went towards the nearest bedroom and crouched down, trying to get my bearings. I dont even remember going into the adjacent bedroom.

I cant imagine how hard it would be if an assailant had the element of surprise.

thats how I felt also. I can understand if you were in the army or something and had so much training around using guns and getting comfortable with be shot at and responding so fast but how many people who own guns have that type of training?

BamaPJFan

fife wrote:

"I live alone. I don't own a rifle. I have a 12-gauge shotgun that remains unloaded at all times and is in the back of my walk-in closet in a secure device that would take a lot of work for someone to steal. It's a hunting gun that I use for bird hunting that I only use occasionally. I'm not a big game deer hunter, etc., so I don't need a rifle for that purpose. I got my shotgun as a Christmas gift when I was in the 5th grade and was my first and only long-barrell gun.

As for my pistol, when I carry it out in public, I put it under my car seat or on the seat next to me. I never carry it into places of business, but I could as long as the business doesn't have a sign posted prohibiting folks from bringing their guns onto the premises.

thanks for answering the questions. I hope you don't think that I am bothering you but I do have more questions to understand things better. I will have to admit that I have never thought of owing a gun of any sort.

I am just trying to understand why people feel safe with a gun. to begin, I wonder why people bring guns into their car? For me, i don't see how a gun under my seat is going to protect me if someone tried to shoot me. or do you mean that you keep the gun in the seat next to you while you drive and then put it under your seat when you are not driving?[/quote]

I feel like I need a gun when I'm out in public much more than when I'm at home. I have it within arms reach when it's in my car so that I can pull it out and point it at someone if a person approaches my car to threaten me. There's one particular town that I travel through on a regular basis that has a lot of people who loiter near two traffic lights at night. I guarantee you that most of those people either have guns on them or knives. If one or more decides to target me, they are going to be met with a nice surprise. You never know when you're going to need a gun to protect yourself. Pointing a gun at someone should do the trick and you won't have to pull the trigger.

BamaPJFan

I might be able to sum up defending my home and myself with the following little clip.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8


As well as with my favorite PJ song from Vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OraWn4CFFG4

fife

BamaPJFan wrote:

I might be able to sum up defending my home and myself with the following little clip.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8


As well as with my favorite PJ song from Vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OraWn4CFFG4

I can't get youtube at work but i should remind you that Scarface does die in the end at his home with alot of guns on his side.

BamaPJFan

fife wrote:

BamaPJFan wrote:

I might be able to sum up defending my home and myself with the following little clip.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8


As well as with my favorite PJ song from Vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OraWn4CFFG4

I can't get youtube at work but i should remind you that Scarface does die in the end at his home with alot of guns on his side.

I've learned from his mistakes.

fife

BamaPJFan wrote:

fife wrote:

BamaPJFan wrote:

I might be able to sum up defending my home and myself with the following little clip.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8


As well as with my favorite PJ song from Vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OraWn4CFFG4

I can't get youtube at work but i should remind you that Scarface does die in the end at his home with alot of guns on his side.

I've learned from his mistakes.

so your not a drug dealer mobster who has guns at home just remember no matter how many guns you have someone will have more. thats todays lesson

BamaPJFan

Here's an excellent op-ed piece I found today from 'liberal' Oregon of all places. (Coincidentally, a state I'll be visiting in about three weeks.)

http://www.oregonlive.com/argus/index.s ... _wont.html

Smellyman

More guns I say! Guns are awesome....

America Fuck Yeah!

Byrnzie

Smellyman wrote:

More guns I say! Guns are awesome....

America Fuck Yeah!

Cosmo

Smellyman wrote:

More guns I say! Guns are awesome....

America Fuck Yeah!

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You know... someone might shoot up a school... better bring the arsenal in the Dodge Mini-van when we pick the kid up from grade school. Might want to lock and load at the soccer game this weekend, too... better safe than sorry. And the Olive Garden for that birthday party... never know when a 'Psycho' is goin to bring a gun and shoot it up.
I'm sure glad I'm level headed and thinking about 'Safety First'.

brianlux

Byrnzie wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

More guns I say! Guns are awesome....

America Fuck Yeah!

Reminds me of that Yosemite Sam/Bugs Bunny stand off where they each pull out 6, 8, 10, 50, 100 shooters.

Reeeeee-dickuluth!

catefrances

hail hail sister.

your move now wrote:

pandora if that's in response to my comment then it is irrelevant because my country - and hence my norm - isn't an older country than the states

pandora wrote:

America is a very young country compared to the other nations of the world.
Our problems here have brought gun problems with them and crime.
US cities filled with Americans without hope who don't value life there own or others,
filled with people who prey on others as their livelihood.

Comparing the US to countries of old with mega histories and who were not formed
as the US was nor have the world statue and responsibility of the US is ridiculous
yet something that seems to be done quite frequently.

The fact that this incidence sparked gun sales is not puzzling at all ...
look at Atl. When you know every bad guy has a gun and there are tons,
its a good idea to be prepared. It is prudent to protect yourself and loved ones.

As far as understanding, it is very easy to understand the victims,
imagine what they are going through, lend love and support.
It is far more difficult to extend that to the shooter.
So many fill themselves with hate this is much easier.