Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

DS1119

redrock wrote:

combackgirl wrote:

.... I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.

combackgirl wrote:

Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.

Seems like very similar laws are in place.

First of all CBG.. you're 38 and you're still being ID'd to buy alcohol... kudos to you!

Second... as mentioned in a previous post, one can buy a firearm (excluding handguns) from an unlicensed vendor (eg the internet) at whatever age WITHOUT parent's permission. Doesn't even have to be a kid with 'intention'. Could just be a kid wanting to brag a bit to his friends ('hey guys.. look what I've got) and boom! Accident.

I can buy child pornography off the internet if I was so inclined as well. Fireworks. Cigarettes. Stolen cars. Stolen electronics. Fuck...if I look hard enough I can buy hand grenades too. Doesn't matter what age I am either. What does this have to do with legally obtained firearms in the US? :?

DS1119

norm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!

the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P

Far from true. I have probably five within walking distance of my house. :?

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

redrock wrote:

combackgirl wrote:

.... I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.

combackgirl wrote:

Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.

Seems like very similar laws are in place.

First of all CBG.. you're 38 and you're still being ID'd to buy alcohol... kudos to you!

Second... as mentioned in a previous post, one can buy a firearm (excluding handguns) from an unlicensed vendor (eg the internet) at whatever age WITHOUT parent's permission. Doesn't even have to be a kid with 'intention'. Could just be a kid wanting to brag a bit to his friends ('hey guys.. look what I've got) and boom! Accident.

I can buy child pornography off the internet if I was so inclined as well. Fireworks. Cigarettes. Stolen cars. Stolen electronics. Fuck...if I look hard enough I can buy hand grenades too. Doesn't matter what age I am either. What does this have to do with legally obtained firearms in the US? :?

True... it would all move to the deep web

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

redrock wrote:

combackgirl wrote:

.... I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.

combackgirl wrote:

Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.

Seems like very similar laws are in place.

First of all CBG.. you're 38 and you're still being ID'd to buy alcohol... kudos to you!

Second... as mentioned in a previous post, one can buy a firearm (excluding handguns) from an unlicensed vendor (eg the internet) at whatever age WITHOUT parent's permission. Doesn't even have to be a kid with 'intention'. Could just be a kid wanting to brag a bit to his friends ('hey guys.. look what I've got) and boom! Accident.

I can buy child pornography off the internet if I was so inclined as well.

Why don't you go ahead and do it this morning...and we'll sit here and wait to see what happens Go on...for the sake of an experiment...

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

norm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!

the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P

Far from true. I have probably five within walking distance of my house. :?

you might need to go back and read a little bit to see what he was actually talking about. We were using "gun" as a euphemism at this point I mean the thread is beyond 100 pages and we're talking in circles...if this wasn't a virtual chat, someone would probably have pulled out...a gun...at this point :?

mickeyrat

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

Cigarettes a real danger to the young, not imagined.

:shock:

you think cigarettes are a real danger but guns are not? HUH????

Considerably more dangerous than legally obtained firearms...by a mile actually. So is fast food and sugary drinks too.

unless it was oneof the 75% OF LEGALLY obtained guns used in the now 57 or 58 mass shootings this country has seen in the last 30 years.

DS1119

comebackgirl wrote:

I can buy child pornography off the internet if I was so inclined as well.

Why don't you go ahead and do it this morning...and we'll sit here and wait to see what happens Go on...for the sake of an experiment...[/quote]


Not my thing. Sorry to disappoint.

DS1119

comebackgirl wrote:

you might need to go back and read a little bit to see what he was actually talking about. We were using "gun" as a euphemism at this point I mean the thread is beyond 100 pages and we're talking in circles...if this wasn't a virtual chat, someone would probably have pulled out...a gun...at this point :?

I did read it now. My mistake.

DS1119

mickeyrat wrote:

unless it was oneof the 75% OF LEGALLY obtained guns used in the now 57 or 58 mass shootings this country has seen in the last 30 years.

Gun control is all about saving lives right? I mean how many people died from smoking LEGALLY obtained cigarettes over the last thirty years? How many people alone died from secondary smoke from LEGALLY obtained cigarettes over the last thirty years? :fp: Shit, how many people in this country over the last 30 years were just killed over a pack of cigarettes? Like I said before...and now that a period of 30 years is brought up...I'm still waiting for the billions of stories to come out about firearms that are possessed or were possesed LEGALLY that WEREN't used in a crime. Something tells me I'll be waiting a while for those. :corn:

ComeToTX

DS1119 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

unless it was oneof the 75% OF LEGALLY obtained guns used in the now 57 or 58 mass shootings this country has seen in the last 30 years.

Gun control is all about saving lives right? I mean how many people died from smoking LEGALLY obtained cigarettes over the last thirty years? How many people alone died from secondary smoke from LEGALLY obtained cigarettes over the last thirty years? :fp: Shit, how many people in this country over the last 30 years were just killed over a pack of cigarettes? Like I said before...and now that a period of 30 years is brought up...I'm still waiting for the billions of stories to come out about firearms that are possessed or were possesed LEGALLY that WEREN't used in a crime. Something tells me I'll be waiting a while for those. :corn:

And just like the gun lobby the tobacco lobby spends millions to keep them legal and available.

mickeyrat

DS1119 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

unless it was oneof the 75% OF LEGALLY obtained guns used in the now 57 or 58 mass shootings this country has seen in the last 30 years.

Gun control is all about saving lives right? I mean how many people died from smoking LEGALLY obtained cigarettes over the last thirty years? How many people alone died from secondary smoke from LEGALLY obtained cigarettes over the last thirty years? :fp: Shit, how many people in this country over the last 30 years were just killed over a pack of cigarettes? Like I said before...and now that a period of 30 years is brought up...I'm still waiting for the billions of stories to come out about firearms that are possessed or were possesed LEGALLY that WEREN't used in a crime. Something tells me I'll be waiting a while for those. :corn:

you'll not see stories such those because they havent affected the lives of others.

Cigs on the otherhand have been shown to affect the lives of more than just the smoker. To the point there are now laws against smoking indoors in a number of municipalities. Hell even hospitals say you cant even smoke on their property outside !!! Same with a Honda plant near here. No smoking on the grounds. Some companies wont even hire if you smoke.

But that isnt what this thread is about. Its about the legally obtained weapons used in mass shootings and what solutions can be had to help stem these senseless tragidies.

How a\bout offering up a solution rather than a useless analogy that has little to nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

DS1119 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

unless it was oneof the 75% OF LEGALLY obtained guns used in the now 57 or 58 mass shootings this country has seen in the last 30 years.

Gun control is all about saving lives right? I mean how many people died from smoking LEGALLY obtained cigarettes over the last thirty years? How many people alone died from secondary smoke from LEGALLY obtained cigarettes over the last thirty years? :fp: Shit, how many people in this country over the last 30 years were just killed over a pack of cigarettes? Like I said before...and now that a period of 30 years is brought up...I'm still waiting for the billions of stories to come out about firearms that are possessed or were possesed LEGALLY that WEREN't used in a crime. Something tells me I'll be waiting a while for those. :corn:

DS, while I agree that cigarettes are harmful, not to mention goofy... with all respect- you are normally well-worded on this forum- this analogy is really, really weak. But I can understand why you offered the attempt. What else can you really offer to insist that gun ownership and the types of weapons one can own in America is a good thing?

The very argument you have presented provides support for improved legislation surrounding gun ownership. With increasing frequency, cigarettes are banned in public places and efforts have been made to restrict sales to minors. It was likely that smokers, prior to the introduction of such legislation, were in an uproar, "What do you mean I have to go stand over there to smoke my cigarette? I want to do it right at my table. Isn't this America? I have rights!" No sir. No you don't. Your stinky, foul, disgusting cancer stick infringes on others' rights.

A neutral eye would have to say, after digesting the 109 pages this thread has spawn, that the gun restriction side of this discussion has thundered the pro-gun ownership side. It's not even close. To keep on insisting that guns and assault rifles must be a choice that is preserved is narrow-minded.

If I have it straight... the following has basically been offered to justify the need for guns and preserve the current way of life for gun lovers:

1. Guns offer protection from: an invading army, a tyrannical government, dogs and twitchy cops (lol!), home invaders, and armed assailants in theaters (if armed you can quickly shoot the silhouetted figure before he shoots you).

2. Analogies that show guns aren't as dangerous as other things in society: cigarettes are more deadly, cars are death machines, etc.

3. States with strict gun laws aren't successful and definitively prove restrictions don't work (despite the fact that the following question was not answered: how can such restrictions achieve their desired effect when neighbouring states do not offer the same laws- making the guns accessible, but just kind of a pain in the ass to get?).

Forgive me if I missed anything in that breakdown, but in my opinion, these arguments simply don't justify allowing any idiot to walk to his neighbourhood gun store, flash his costco card, pick up a rifle, a shitload of ammo, and a cool armoured outfit so that he can do what he pleases with his new toy.

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

Not my thing. Sorry to disappoint.

Well thank goodness for that. The thing is, the easy access of firearms online with no checks as redrock saw, means there's very little regulation in a lot of states. There is strong regulation on everything else you stated. Most people wouldn't even attempt to download child pornography even as an experiment because they know what would likely happen. Accessing guns online is easily done with little to no checks. That's frightening.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

Happy Friday all have a lovely safe fun Friday evening...
I plan to!

http://youtu.be/0g9uLzraras
going to the gun range, pand?

sarcasm? I think

I have never touched a gun ...

but because I haven't I don't judge others based on that...
I respect them and how they live their lives, though it might not be my way,
not trying to take basic rights away from them.

hey that movie J Edgar Hoover... speaking of guns, laws and crime...
wow that was one of the best movies I have ever seen!

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

If I have it straight... the following has basically been offered to justify the need for guns and preserve the current way of life for gun lovers:

1. Guns offer protection from: an invading army, a tyrannical government, dogs and twitchy cops (lol!), home invaders, and armed assailants in theaters (if armed you can quickly shoot the silhouetted figure before he shoots you).

2. Analogies that show guns aren't as dangerous as other things in society: cigarettes are more deadly, cars are death machines, etc.

3. States with strict gun laws aren't successful and definitively prove restrictions don't work (despite the fact that the following question was not answered: how can such restrictions achieve their desired effect when neighbouring states do not offer the same laws- making the guns accessible, but just kind of a pain in the ass to get?).

Forgive me if I missed anything in that breakdown, but in my opinion, these arguments simply don't justify allowing any idiot to walk to his neighbourhood gun store, flash his costco card, pick up a rifle, a shitload of ammo, and a cool armoured outfit so that he can do what he pleases with his new toy.

say what? not dogs!!! :evil:

how the cig thing came up if you read back
was how an underage person can buy a rifle on line with their parents permission
and kids can't walk into a store and buy them cause they are carded.
If they tried to walk in a store and buy a firearm the same would happen.
And of course cigs are much more dangerous to teens because of the sheer numbers
smoking compared to those who buy guns legally with their parents permission.
And cigs are cancer sticks not really ever used responsibly because they will eventually kill.

pandora

A lady with her elderly grandmother returns to her home yesterday to find a burglary
in process. This a fine upscale neighborhood south of us.
Yes the doors were locked, it was the middle of the day.

Two young thugs run from the house while one shoots the gun at the defenseless
40 year old woman ... why? no threat, they are getting away...
why because he is a piece of shit who cares nothing about life.

She's dead... dead. Sweet women, neighbors and friends describe her as.
She was 40 and now dead. Senseless.

I bet a number of women have or will go out to buy a gun because of this.
Rightfully so.

Bad guys are getting badder and they got guns! Unless you want to be a victim...
and maybe a dead victim... protect yourself, it is our basic right.

Zoso

pandora wrote:

A lady with her elderly grandmother returns to her home yesterday to find a burglary
in process. This a fine upscale neighborhood south of us.
Yes the doors were locked, it was the middle of the day.

Two young thugs run from the house while one shoots the gun at the defenseless
40 year old woman ... why? no threat, they are getting away...
why because he is a piece of shit who cares nothing about life.

She's dead... dead. Sweet women, neighbors and friends describe her as.
She was 40 and now dead. Senseless.

I bet a number of women have or will go out to buy a gun because of this.
Rightfully so.

Bad guys are getting badder and they got guns! Unless you want to be a victim...
and maybe a dead victim... protect yourself, it is our basic right.

thats a very sad story.. it's a shame crime in this country is on the rise and their is even a need for people to carry guns in their homes in case of a crime like this. Pandora you need to visit somewhere like Australia and see a country that isn't controlled by crime and fear... you would like that.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

redrock wrote:

Thank you for googling definitions, I know you are good at that - but definitions should really be in context to have any real meaning. I know you are aware of this

I really like the 'law abiding' one... "adhering more or less strictly to the laws "

are you saying someone would copy & paste a complete list of definitions & things all bunk ass and lazy like without using their own words and stuff? does this mean the brain power lacks and that the (possibly) uneducated individual just might be out of their frickin mind, yes/no?

I had answered your questions a number of times by saying google it...
I was signing out and figured one last time...
to me they are four words there that speak for themselves.

The definitions exactly pertains to what is meant by law abiding responsible gun owner
and when you google you will see safety courses offered, as I mentioned.

How much more explanation do you and others need? :fp:

Definitions straight from webster pretty much get the point across ...
well unless someone refuses to understand it.


Chadwick are you being disrespectful, rude and insulting to someone?

:shock: nope transparent

pandora

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

A lady with her elderly grandmother returns to her home yesterday to find a burglary
in process. This a fine upscale neighborhood south of us.
Yes the doors were locked, it was the middle of the day.

Two young thugs run from the house while one shoots the gun at the defenseless
40 year old woman ... why? no threat, they are getting away...
why because he is a piece of shit who cares nothing about life.

She's dead... dead. Sweet women, neighbors and friends describe her as.
She was 40 and now dead. Senseless.

I bet a number of women have or will go out to buy a gun because of this.
Rightfully so.

Bad guys are getting badder and they got guns! Unless you want to be a victim...
and maybe a dead victim... protect yourself, it is our basic right.

thats a very sad story.. it's a shame crime in this country is on the rise and their is even a need for people to carry guns in their homes in case of a crime like this. Pandora you need to visit somewhere like Australia and see a country that isn't controlled by crime and fear... you would like that.

I would love to come see New Zealand and Australia
but unfortunately my body will not allow that anymore.

Fear comes from not being prepared, from weakness. Some must live in fear
because of the neighborhoods though.
Crime comes from many factors and is a worldwide problem.

After watching J Edgar Hoover last night I appreciate crime and it's history,
and that of the crime fighters as well.
I hadn't given that much thought. Bad guys been around a long time indeed.

Zoso

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

A lady with her elderly grandmother returns to her home yesterday to find a burglary
in process. This a fine upscale neighborhood south of us.
Yes the doors were locked, it was the middle of the day.

Two young thugs run from the house while one shoots the gun at the defenseless
40 year old woman ... why? no threat, they are getting away...
why because he is a piece of shit who cares nothing about life.

She's dead... dead. Sweet women, neighbors and friends describe her as.
She was 40 and now dead. Senseless.

I bet a number of women have or will go out to buy a gun because of this.
Rightfully so.

Bad guys are getting badder and they got guns! Unless you want to be a victim...
and maybe a dead victim... protect yourself, it is our basic right.

thats a very sad story.. it's a shame crime in this country is on the rise and their is even a need for people to carry guns in their homes in case of a crime like this. Pandora you need to visit somewhere like Australia and see a country that isn't controlled by crime and fear... you would like that.

I would love to come see New Zealand and Australia
but unfortunately my body will not allow that anymore.

Fear comes from not being prepared, from weakness. Some must live in fear
because of the neighborhoods though.
Crime comes from many factors and is a worldwide problem.

After watching J Edgar Hoover last night I appreciate crime and it's history,
and that of the crime fighters as well.
I hadn't given that much thought. Bad guys been around a long time indeed.

I still think buying a gun is living in fear and a very irrational thing to do when gun accidents occur etc. Sure if this person had a gun that was tragically gunned down MAY have saved her life but it may have not also.