Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

comebackgirl

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I know how the brain works during trauma and that most people will first freeze in a situation like this. Having cops there is great. I don't think the average citizen should be expected to be armed and ready to react. The shooting could be easily avoided if there were stricter access to guns in the first place.

This 'freeze' thing is a well known and documented fact - in all traumatic situations, not just shootings. But you know this - it's your area of expertise.

Off duty cops... hmmm... only if they are not twitchy and there are no dogs allowed in the establishment

Yes of course it's for all traumatic situations We're wired to survive. Typically we flee if we're able, we fight if we're able and if we can't do either, we freeze. In a situation that is likely to result in imminent death, most people will freeze first. It takes a lot of training to undo that wiring. Cops and military personnel go through such training. While a member of the general public or someone without training may also be able to react, they are are very likely to freeze.

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

anyone know his criminal record yet? His past?

Why automatically bring 'negative' assumptions up? Lots of guys are jerks and don't have criminal records. Lots of 'responsible' gun owners are complete jerks but seem to be OK in some people's books (one famous name springs to mind - TN anyone?).

Just like the guy who ate the face off another guy.. automatically assuming it was bath salts (and whole 'debate' ensuing this) when he had nothing more than marijuana in his system.

I am more saying you are all assuming he is a great responsible gun owner
I am saying his actions prove otherwise.

The bathsalts was released information by the media :fp: not me

bathsalts don't remain in the system but 24 to 48 hours when was the guy tested?
They are not illegal either as the criminals are changing the chemistry to continue
to sell them.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I know how the brain works during trauma and that most people will first freeze in a situation like this. Having cops there is great. I don't think the average citizen should be expected to be armed and ready to react. The shooting could be easily avoided if there were stricter access to guns in the first place.

How so? what laws would that be?

Do you know if this is a legal gun even? Do you know if he is a felon and
should not even have a gun in his possession by law?

And because one man does this others should not have access to guns
or what would make it stricter for this guy and not others?

As far as freeze it is more an awareness of surroundings, foreseeing trouble,
this what carriers learn. And they are prepared.

How about if we start with registering guns and mandatory background checks, and follow that up by not recommending that the general public get themselves armed and ready for a gun fight at every given moment.

It's always just "one man". How many situations do we have to have of "one man" doing something like this before we think it's enough?

Be aware of your surrounding is great, but people can't be hypervigilant all the time, nor would we want them to be. What do you recommend in the way of preparation? It's going to take more than a training video.

norm

should a stripper carry a concealed weapon? and how would she conceal it? :think:

redrock

pandora wrote:

I am more saying you are all assuming he is a great responsible gun owner
I am saying his actions prove otherwise..

Sarcasm.

Though we never did get a real definition of what 'responsible gun owner' was from a pro-gun person on this thread, reading between the lines (yep.. we can do that!), would suggest that all was needed was a legally purchased gun. I would have thought it would be storing it safely as well but examples of 'bravery' and 'responsible' were given where guns were not stored safely - so I am assuming safe gun storage is not a requirement. Nor is it the law? (I'm not sure of that).

redrock

norm wrote:

should a stripper carry a concealed weapon? and how would she conceal it? :think:

Let's not go down that path....

redrock

comebackgirl wrote:

It's always just "one man". How many situations do we have to have of "one man" doing something like this before we think it's enough?.

One man, a few seconds, three dead. A guy who was just there to oggle girls and two who were trying to make a living. Did they have wives/husbands? Children? How many lives ruined by one man?

norm

redrock wrote:

norm wrote:

should a stripper carry a concealed weapon? and how would she conceal it? :think:

Let's not go down that path....

oh let's...the current path is stuck in a roundabout with no exiting in sight

comebackgirl

redrock wrote:

I just did a quick google in order to purchase firearms online. Wow... just wow. Sure, it would seem that of them you have to 'register' in order to purchase, but this is no different to many other sites that sell anything from cake making items to small electrical appliances. I tried a site, registering with an address at which I used to live many years ago. Then I chose my gun and ammo then went to check out. I even had the choice to put in a different billing and delivery address. Oh, and I had to tick a little thing saying I understood the 'Terms and Conditions' (again like one does for a number of sites. I did stop when I got to the point of entering credit card details.

Not saying that all sites are like that, but wow... This one was on the 5th page of my google search.

This is really scary. How can it be this easy?

redrock

norm wrote:

redrock wrote:

norm wrote:

should a stripper carry a concealed weapon? and how would she conceal it? :think:

Let's not go down that path....

oh let's...the current path is stuck in a roundabout with no exiting in sight

True... this path might make things more 'interesting'. Any 'experts' on this? :corn:

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

As far as freeze it is more an awareness of surroundings, foreseeing trouble,
this what carriers learn. And they are prepared.

Highly trained professionals cannot be fully prepared - why would someone who bought a gun legally over the internet be? How could someone who took a couple of shots at well lit, still target in an appropriate environment, taking all his/her time to do so be prepared?

You know it's not true. Just listen to the ones with expertise and experience on this thread. There are a couple!

No they are very prepared, trained and anticipating... put a gun on your body in a holster and see....
you wouldn't have it any other way... your life is on the line.

Who would know about this again? :fp:

Its obvious the research has not been done on those who carry.
And generalizations and assumptions are overcoming any knowledge on the subject.

comebackgirl

norm wrote:

should a stripper carry a concealed weapon? and how would she conceal it? :think:

:think: Well then when the patrons get to frisky she can just start shooting. You know...to protect herself.

comebackgirl

Double post

redrock

comebackgirl wrote:

redrock wrote:

I just did a quick google in order to purchase firearms online. Wow... just wow. Sure, it would seem that of them you have to 'register' in order to purchase, but this is no different to many other sites that sell anything from cake making items to small electrical appliances. I tried a site, registering with an address at which I used to live many years ago. Then I chose my gun and ammo then went to check out. I even had the choice to put in a different billing and delivery address. Oh, and I had to tick a little thing saying I understood the 'Terms and Conditions' (again like one does for a number of sites. I did stop when I got to the point of entering credit card details.

Not saying that all sites are like that, but wow... This one was on the 5th page of my google search.

This is really scary. How can it be this easy?

But the gun laws are more than sufficient, aren't they? It's more than scary. It has to be stopped/controlled.

JonnyPistachio

norm wrote:

redrock wrote:

norm wrote:

should a stripper carry a concealed weapon? and how would she conceal it? :think:

Let's not go down that path....

oh let's...the current path is stuck in a roundabout with no exiting in sight

Btw, you were back awfully fast from the shooting range. :P

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

As far as freeze it is more an awareness of surroundings, foreseeing trouble,
this what carriers learn. And they are prepared.

Highly trained professionals cannot be fully prepared - why would someone who bought a gun legally over the internet be? How could someone who took a couple of shots at well lit, still target in an appropriate environment, taking all his/her time to do so be prepared?

You know it's not true. Just listen to the ones with expertise and experience on this thread. There are a couple!

No they are very prepared, trained and anticipating... put a gun on your body in a holster and see....
you wouldn't have it any other way... your life is on the line.

Who would know about this again? :fp:

Its obvious the research has not been done on those who carry.
And generalizations and assumptions are overcoming any knowledge on the subject.

If they want to put the time into training properly to be prepared and to be constantly on the lookout for trouble so they can protect the public, why don't they become cops or join the military? :think:

JonnyPistachio

comebackgirl wrote:

redrock wrote:

I just did a quick google in order to purchase firearms online. Wow... just wow. Sure, it would seem that of them you have to 'register' in order to purchase, but this is no different to many other sites that sell anything from cake making items to small electrical appliances. I tried a site, registering with an address at which I used to live many years ago. Then I chose my gun and ammo then went to check out. I even had the choice to put in a different billing and delivery address. Oh, and I had to tick a little thing saying I understood the 'Terms and Conditions' (again like one does for a number of sites. I did stop when I got to the point of entering credit card details.

Not saying that all sites are like that, but wow... This one was on the 5th page of my google search.

This is really scary. How can it be this easy?

Between this and the gun shows, we have a problem. :evil:

norm

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Btw, you were back awfully fast from the shooting range. :P

well i was alone...it's no fun to go shooting alone so i emptied my clip and left :shifty:

dimitrispearljam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iALeGLHvJ-M

that sound..and u are dead....just like that.....from someone just walk in a store and buy it like a packate of gums...

comebackgirl

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

redrock wrote:

I just did a quick google in order to purchase firearms online. Wow... just wow. Sure, it would seem that of them you have to 'register' in order to purchase, but this is no different to many other sites that sell anything from cake making items to small electrical appliances. I tried a site, registering with an address at which I used to live many years ago. Then I chose my gun and ammo then went to check out. I even had the choice to put in a different billing and delivery address. Oh, and I had to tick a little thing saying I understood the 'Terms and Conditions' (again like one does for a number of sites. I did stop when I got to the point of entering credit card details.

Not saying that all sites are like that, but wow... This one was on the 5th page of my google search.

This is really scary. How can it be this easy?

But the gun laws are more than sufficient, aren't they? It's more than scary. It has to be stopped/controlled.

Clearly they are sufficient. They just need to be enforced properly. Why don't you and I order a bunch of online guns and start enforcing them?