this is a thread that is going nowhere and fast. yet i do get a kick out of some of the comments here. many witty folks in the 10c community. other than that it's going no place
congratulation
Norm - your hamster is a bit too big to quote - but for him too!
What does one do to be responsible when driving a car?
Oops... there we go... the car analogy... Unable to give an answer so one 'diverts'
Again, this is a thread about shootings and guns - not cars.
Its a great analogy... in fact the very best..
most especially when talking about a responsible person.
What do irresponsible people do when driving a car?
Maybe that helps in drawing a conclusion, looking at it from
that perspective.
The car analogy is atrocious.
What do irresponsible people do when driving a car? Most do nothing besides arrive at their destination. I go over the speed limit every single day. That is irresponsible. I see many, many others: speeding, driving drunk, texting, cutting people off, going through stop signs and red lights, etc...and still arriving at destinations without a problem.
What???? After all, I'm sure I could understand. After all, I AM American (to maybe the great despair of some)
oh god, the italicizing is spreading...there's gotta be a antidote for it :P
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Wow page 51 holy camoly.
What times have you or others referenced this pertaining to real life victims?
Perhaps I have missed this. Perhaps you can quote those also. So I can better understand your misunderstanding of my words.
Did you or others joke about a death or draw a conclusion that the victim
was somehow in the wrong?
I guess that would be insensitive yes. I can see how others would think that.
Is this what you get out of the words?
That I think the victim is in the wrong. Which is not the case.
Did I ever put a real life scenario to those words?
If not how could anyone apply them correctly ?
I will ponder my whole philosophical statement,
I didn't know there was going to a test
and see what other info I can come up with for you,
if other than I have already stated in numerous posts.
I'm trying to understand what YOU meant by the words. If you said them out of turn to make a point and dont really mean them, I can understand that and will drop my questions about it; but if you do mean them I'd really like clarification so I can understand your point of view. This is a very important issue to me, so I'm really trying to understand.
Oh I always mean what I say...
but others don' seem to always get it
if I recall some memories popped up during the last of that post...
as far as without plan and regrets. I have mentioned this already though.
My point of view is that it is important to have a plan to avoid being a victim in life, whether you are a gun owner or not. Being unprepared can be equal to being weak.
Life lessons teach us to be strong and ready, often in hindsight unfortunately.
I think that pretty much summed it up which I have said before in a couple of other posts.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The car analogy is atrocious.
What do irresponsible people do when driving a car? Most do nothing besides arrive at their destination. I go over the speed limit every single day. That is irresponsible. I see many, many others: speeding, driving drunk, texting, cutting people off, going through stop signs and red lights, etc...and still arriving at destinations without a problem.
Now you got it ...it is exactly the very same with guns. People know who is responsible...
we see it and know it and know who isn't.
As I have said in previous posts, over my life I have known countless responsible gun owners.
They have children never once has any been injured, none never ever.
Yet I see everyday the shootings committed by the thoughtless.
Not the thoughtful.
Just as their are those who drive there whole lives like me
without being at fault. Thoughtful drivers.
Responsible speaks for itself, sorry some can't understand that.
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Wow page 51 holy camoly.
What times have you or others referenced this pertaining to real life victims?
Perhaps I have missed this. Perhaps you can quote those also. So I can better understand your misunderstanding of my words.
Did you or others joke about a death or draw a conclusion that the victim
was somehow in the wrong?
I guess that would be insensitive yes. I can see how others would think that.
Is this what you get out of the words?
That I think the victim is in the wrong. Which is not the case.
Did I ever put a real life scenario to those words?
If not how could anyone apply them correctly ?
I will ponder my whole philosophical statement,
I didn't know there was going to a test
and see what other info I can come up with for you,
if other than I have already stated in numerous posts.
I'm trying to understand what YOU meant by the words. If you said them out of turn to make a point and dont really mean them, I can understand that and will drop my questions about it; but if you do mean them I'd really like clarification so I can understand your point of view. This is a very important issue to me, so I'm really trying to understand.
Oh I always mean what I say...
but others don' seem to always get it
if I recall some memories popped up during the last of that post...
as far as without plan and regrets. I have mentioned this already though.
My point of view is that it is important to have a plan to avoid being a victim in life, whether you are a gun owner or not. Being unprepared can be equal to being weak.
Life lessons teach us to be strong and ready, often in hindsight unfortunately.
I think that pretty much summed it up which I have said before in a couple of other posts.
So just more vague, general statements, but no specific examples?
Ok...it's time for Yellow Ledbetter :wave:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I thought you found it reprehensible to sympathize with the victimizer.
well that's not true at all I sympathize with James Holmes...
where you been?
I don't sympathize with this shooter just saying he didn't know the cop was dead
and as he was dying said tell him I'm sorry I'm a shithead.
Sounds understandable, he regretted what he did. Probably because he was
without that plan I speak of and did something stupid.
Was he drinking or otherwise compromised?
So just more vague, general statements, but no specific examples?
Ok...it's time for Yellow Ledbetter :wave:
I don't think I could make you happy if I tried
and no I didn't have any then either remember?
It was philosophical based on life's lessons, not pointing a finger at anyone,
nor finding fault. Just hoping everyone gets a plan whether they own a gun or not.
The car analogy is atrocious.
What do irresponsible people do when driving a car? Most do nothing besides arrive at their destination. I go over the speed limit every single day. That is irresponsible. I see many, many others: speeding, driving drunk, texting, cutting people off, going through stop signs and red lights, etc...and still arriving at destinations without a problem.
Now you got it ...it is exactly the very same with guns. People know who is responsible...
we see it and know it and know who isn't.
As I have said in previous posts, over my life I have known countless responsible gun owners.
They have children never once has any been injured, none never ever.
Yet I see everyday the shootings committed by the thoughtless.
Not the thoughtful.
Just as their are those who drive there whole lives like me
without being at fault. Thoughtful drivers.
Responsible speaks for itself, sorry some can't understand that.
No, people dont know in advance who's responsible, otherwise nobody would've sold those guns to Holmes, or the officer in TX wouldve called for backup...nobody knows. And, you can be extremely responsible and still have accidents. No one is perfect. Remember, I was nearly shot in the head by one of the most respected, responsible people I know.
Well, well... I see one edited her post to remove some stupid 'finger pointing elitism' (ie, you're not one of 'us' so you wouldn't know...), pretending it never happened.
But too late!.... it's been quoted!
Not the first time she's said that!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What made me laugh are the 'talking out of one's arse' and the assumptions made about me! (Please note: exclamation mark does not mean I am upset - thank you.).
But then again, this 'elitist' thinking is quite hilarious too...
What made me laugh are the 'talking out of one's arse' and the assumptions made about me! (Please note: exclamation mark does not mean I am upset - thank you.).
But then again, this 'elitist' thinking is quite hilarious too...
even i know years now that you are American...
you have much European culture...
and ofcourse,all can have an opinion,where ever they coming from...
number 1 thing you learn at democracy....
democracy.....beautiful Greek word...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
and ofcourse,all can have an opinion,where ever they coming from...
number 1 thing you learn at democracy....
democracy.....beautiful Greek word...
Indeed. You, me, Sian, Babs, Hinn, Michael, Fleur, Yvi, Marina, Hub, Gary, Al, Sandra.. only to name a few of our friends. All citizens of different countries, all equally entitled to an opinion on worldwide issues. Sometimes these might even be more 'learned' than 'local' opinion (though not automatically better. Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is the case in this thread).
and ofcourse,all can have an opinion,where ever they coming from...
number 1 thing you learn at democracy....
democracy.....beautiful Greek word...
Indeed. You, me, Sian, Babs, Hinn, Michael, Fleur, Yvi, Marina, Hub, Gary, Al, Sandra.. only to name a few of our friends. All citizens of different countries, all equally entitled to an opinion on worldwide issues. Sometimes these might even be more 'learned' than 'local' opinion (though not automatically better. Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is the case in this thread).
exactly...you are right..
to tell u the truth,as it comes to this thread,i knew already how the non-americans opinion will be..
i know,its culture thing,how democracy build in europe,
im intresting alot of American opinions,cos they live with this..
for me is the most intresting thread at AMT forum the last years..
Edit...btw ..i really enjoy reading Zoso at this thread
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
What made me laugh are the 'talking out of one's arse' and the assumptions made about me! (Please note: exclamation mark does not mean I am upset - thank you.).
But then again, this 'elitist' thinking is quite hilarious too...
even i know years now that you are American...
you have much European culture...
and ofcourse,all can have an opinion,where ever they coming from...
number 1 thing you learn at democracy....
democracy.....beautiful Greek word...
Before she mentioned it, I didn't know that redrock is American - and it really doesn't matter to me. Wisdom and common sense viewpoints aren't exclusive to one country :P
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Norm - your hamster is a bit too big to quote - but
What????
oh god, the italicizing is spreading...there's gotta be a antidote for it
The car analogy is atrocious.
What do irresponsible people do when driving a car? Most do nothing besides arrive at their destination. I go over the speed limit every single day. That is irresponsible. I see many, many others: speeding, driving drunk, texting, cutting people off, going through stop signs and red lights, etc...and still arriving at destinations without a problem.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Not this time - it's making a point.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
OK... we're agreed. Time to finish this thread off....
but others don' seem to always get it
if I recall some memories popped up during the last of that post...
as far as without plan and regrets. I have mentioned this already though.
My point of view is that it is important to have a plan to avoid being a victim in life,
whether you are a gun owner or not. Being unprepared can be equal to being weak.
Life lessons teach us to be strong and ready, often in hindsight unfortunately.
I think that pretty much summed it up which I have said before in a couple of other posts.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
we see it and know it and know who isn't.
As I have said in previous posts, over my life I have known countless responsible gun owners.
They have children never once has any been injured, none never ever.
Yet I see everyday the shootings committed by the thoughtless.
Not the thoughtful.
Just as their are those who drive there whole lives like me
without being at fault. Thoughtful drivers.
Responsible speaks for itself, sorry some can't understand that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e8XyUB ... ure=fvwrel
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
So powerful... frightening.
Ok...it's time for Yellow Ledbetter :wave:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
well that's not true at all I sympathize with James Holmes...
where you been?
I don't sympathize with this shooter just saying he didn't know the cop was dead
and as he was dying said tell him I'm sorry I'm a shithead.
Sounds understandable, he regretted what he did. Probably because he was
without that plan I speak of and did something stupid.
Was he drinking or otherwise compromised?
and no I didn't have any then either remember?
It was philosophical based on life's lessons, not pointing a finger at anyone,
nor finding fault. Just hoping everyone gets a plan whether they own a gun or not.
No, people dont know in advance who's responsible, otherwise nobody would've sold those guns to Holmes, or the officer in TX wouldve called for backup...nobody knows. And, you can be extremely responsible and still have accidents. No one is perfect. Remember, I was nearly shot in the head by one of the most respected, responsible people I know.
But then again, this 'elitist' thinking is quite hilarious too...
you have much European culture...
and ofcourse,all can have an opinion,where ever they coming from...
number 1 thing you learn at democracy....
democracy.....beautiful Greek word...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Indeed. You, me, Sian, Babs, Hinn, Michael, Fleur, Yvi, Marina, Hub, Gary, Al, Sandra.. only to name a few of our friends. All citizens of different countries, all equally entitled to an opinion on worldwide issues. Sometimes these might even be more 'learned' than 'local' opinion (though not automatically better. Disclaimer: I'm not saying this is the case in this thread).
to tell u the truth,as it comes to this thread,i knew already how the non-americans opinion will be..
i know,its culture thing,how democracy build in europe,
im intresting alot of American opinions,cos they live with this..
for me is the most intresting thread at AMT forum the last years..
Edit...btw ..i really enjoy reading Zoso at this thread
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
what a ridiculous statement.
and you have said so little in so many pages it's mind boggling.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Failure To Communicate
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Hail, Hail!!!
Ah, this brings back good memories of the days of internet yore.