Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

josevolution

Nothing will come form this tragedy nothing at all will change in this country as far as gun laws ...

norm

ComeToTX

josevolution wrote:

Nothing will come form this tragedy nothing at all will change in this country as far as gun laws ...

Nope. If they did nothing after Giffords then they never will.

ComeToTX

norm wrote:

I'm sure the NRA offices are more concerned about PR and spinning this than they are about the victims. It's just another annoyance for them.

Godfather.

ComeToTX wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Nothing will come form this tragedy nothing at all will change in this country as far as gun laws ...

Nope. If they did nothing after Giffords then they never will.

what should "they" do ? really, what changes can be made or laws put into place to slow or stop guns going into the wrong hands ? the laws on gun ownership are pretty tight as it is.

Godfather.

josevolution

Ok Godfather so nothing will get done and we will have these kinds of shootings and nothing will ever get done , so we will just twittle our thumbs and just go on ....

Godfather.

ComeToTX wrote:

norm wrote:

I'm sure the NRA offices are more concerned about PR and spinning this than they are about the victims. It's just another annoyance for them.

they probably wouldn't have to if they were not attacked every time some wacko used a gun in a crime.

Godfather.

ComeToTX

Godfather. wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Nothing will come form this tragedy nothing at all will change in this country as far as gun laws ...

Nope. If they did nothing after Giffords then they never will.

what should "they" do ? really, what changes can be made or laws put into place to slow or stop guns going into the wrong hands ? the laws on gun ownership are pretty tight as it is.

Godfather.

Compared to the rest of the world our gun laws are not strict. We have more gun violence than anywhere else in the world. Not a problem?

How about if you sell a gun illegally to someone who commits a crime with it then you are also held responsible.

In china if you sell a gun illegally you can get the death penalty.

Godfather.

josevolution wrote:

Ok Godfather so nothing will get done and we will have these kinds of shootings and nothing will ever get done , so we will just twittle our thumbs and just go on ....

soooo you have no idea what to do about the problem at hand except to twittle our thumbs
yes wackos getting guns is a problem but it's not the fault of rightous gun owners or the manufacters
maybe a better armed community could help to keep the wackos with guns in check...like the 71 year old hero did in Florida, maybe gun taining and safty classes in high schools would be a start.


Godfather.

Sludge Factory

blueandwhite wrote:

Speaking as an outsider (Canadian), I'm not convinced that this is the sort of issue that can easily solved be through simple legislation or any other type of social engineering. From my point of view, the United States has a very distinct culture which seems to share an unusually strong fascination with guns and gun violence. I can't think of many other Western societies where violence is so openly celebrated. On the other hand, swearing and sex are still very much viewed as taboo subjects by the media. I'm uncertain as to why Americans embrace violence more than other Western cultures do, but I can't see how banning firearms would change this phenomenon.

You bring up excellent points. The American tolerance of violence as opposed to tolerance of sex is a huge point of contention with me. It just doesn't make sense how we can be okay with watching someone be filled full of holes on television but the second you see a naked bit people are up in arms. Take Game of Thrones for example. I've seen many discussions about how the nudity and sexuality is gratuitous and unecessary but yet not a word is said about the beheadings or other violent acts that are depicted in the show. Personally, I enjoyed the books and am glad to see them both in the show, but this just outlines the twisted views many Americans seem to take towards something that is more natural (naked people) than something that is less natural (people without heads).

satansbed

unsung wrote:

FWIW

It took FEMA five days to show up in NOLA.
It took FEMA three days to show up after those storms a few weeks ago.
It took FEMA less than an hour to get to this theatre.

I smell a rat.

Seriously?

hedonist

To address the intolerance of sex comments...really? And swearing too?

I disagree. These have become embraced, for the most part.

Look at most "music" videos out there right now and you'll get a fat dose of both.

josevolution

Godfather. wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Ok Godfather so nothing will get done and we will have these kinds of shootings and nothing will ever get done , so we will just twittle our thumbs and just go on ....

soooo you have no idea what to do about the problem at hand except to twittle our thumbs
yes wackos getting guns is a problem but it's not the fault of rightous gun owners or the manufacters
maybe a better armed community could help to keep the wackos with guns in check...like the 71 year old hero did in Florida, maybe gun taining and safty classes in high schools would be a start.


Godfather.

I'm stating that nothing will ever get done about this the laws that are in place have to be revamped and the people who can make changes will just do that twittle their thumbs , and you wan't people to be better prepared by what arming evryone that's exactly what we need more guns :roll: ...

mikepegg44

blueandwhite wrote:

Speaking as an outsider (Canadian), I'm not convinced that this is the sort of issue that can easily solved be through simple legislation or any other type of social engineering. From my point of view, the United States has a very distinct culture which seems to share an unusually strong fascination with guns and gun violence. I can't think of many other Western societies where violence is so openly celebrated. On the other hand, swearing and sex are still very much viewed as taboo subjects by the media. I'm uncertain as to why Americans embrace violence more than other Western cultures do, but I can't see how banning firearms would change this phenomenon.

all things not only can be solved by legislation, they must be solved by it. There is no other way...


You make some very good points BTW

norm

mikepegg44 wrote:

all things not only can be solved by legislation, they must be solved by it. There is no other way...

how can you legislate what is going on in a person's mind?

this is more rhetorical question than anything else, mike...i get what you're saying but i believe we've reached a point in our society where, regardless of what gun control laws are passed, this will happen again and again

i don't know...i'm just at a loss this morning...can we really stop these types of events?

Sludge Factory

hedonist wrote:

To address the intolerance of sex comments...really? And swearing too?

I disagree. These have become embraced, for the most part.

Look at most "music" videos out there right now and you'll get a fat dose of both.

I disagree with your disagreement. When it comes down to it, the things that are most likely to be censored in a video are nudity before violence in America.

Many people still get up in arms when a woman publicy breast feeds. Just a few weeks ago two ladies were photographed for a magazine while breastfeeding and in their army gear. One of the two ladies was fired from her job because of the photo shoot from what I understand.

mikepegg44

norm wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

all things not only can be solved by legislation, they must be solved by it. There is no other way...

how can you legislate what is going on in a person's mind?

this is more rhetorical question than anything else, mike...i get what you're saying but i believe we've reached a point in our society where, regardless of what gun control laws are passed, this will happen again and again

i don't know...i'm just at a loss this morning...can we really stop these types of events?

sorry was sarcasm...I dont think they can be stopped by legislation or at all to be honest. They are just so outside the realm of rational thought

norm

mikepegg44 wrote:

norm wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

all things not only can be solved by legislation, they must be solved by it. There is no other way...

how can you legislate what is going on in a person's mind?

this is more rhetorical question than anything else, mike...i get what you're saying but i believe we've reached a point in our society where, regardless of what gun control laws are passed, this will happen again and again

i don't know...i'm just at a loss this morning...can we really stop these types of events?

sorry was sarcasm...I dont think they can be stopped by legislation or at all to be honest. They are just so outside the realm of rational thought

haha gotcha! it was a strange coming from you and that's the bitch of sarcasm...always a vein of truth to it

hedonist

Sludge Factory wrote:

hedonist wrote:

To address the intolerance of sex comments...really? And swearing too?

I disagree. These have become embraced, for the most part.

Look at most "music" videos out there right now and you'll get a fat dose of both.

I disagree with your disagreement. When it comes down to it, the things that are most likely to be censored in a video are nudity before violence in America.

Many people still get up in arms when a woman publicy breast feeds. Just a few weeks ago two ladies were photographed for a magazine while breastfeeding and in their army gear. One of the two ladies was fired from her job because of the photo shoot from what I understand.

Perhaps full-on nudity is censored but I've seen pretty close to it, not to mention simulated sex and what I like to refer to as "air-fucking".

Anyway, I think none of those should be censored to begin with.

(and sorry for derailing)

pandora

it matters not if there are guns in this world ...
they are a means only

what we need to look at is why do people not value life, their own or others