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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,464
    is anyone honestly surprised by this?

    this shit happens every month in this country and we all act all surprised every time. we act as shocked as if it is the first time it has ever happened or something...

    we have a gun problem in this country, and the people that can solve it can't, and those that can legislate it refuse to even debate it.

    this is going to happen as long as there are guns, and we are going to continue to be shocked by it, and we will do nothing about it.

    how long until the nra has a rally in colorado? i'm guessing 7 days....
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  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    this is your 2nd ammendment in practice.. congratulations america.

    No, this was a criminal breaking the law.

    This:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/18/fl ... e-robbery/

    is the 2nd amendment in practice.

    But there is a difference between criminals having guns and every bat-shit crazy person able to get them. We have far too many bat-shit crazy people that have access to guns and use them to kill. Without that access, these same bat-shit crazy people couldn't do what they do. The list of criminals that actually want to kill is pretty small really. Mostly they want to take your stuff, not your life. These crazy bastards only want to take life.
    The list of bat-shit crazy people that want to take as much life as possible is even shorter.

    Anyhow, I'm not even clear what point you'r trying to make other than that you hate guns and you might be cool with criminals having guns.

    This doesn't seem like a spur of the moment, temporary insanity killing spree. He had tear gas at least. Seems very pre-planned. Even if guns were outlawed, you don't think this batshit crazy person could have gotten a couple of handguns illegally? Sure it might be "harder" than it currently is to get a handgun, but being a bit more difficult isn't the kind of thing that stops batshit crazy.

    If just one person like that old man in the internet cafe had been there, many lives could have been saved.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    is anyone honestly surprised by this?

    this shit happens every month in this country and we all act all surprised every time. we act as shocked as if it is the first time it has ever happened or something...

    we have a gun problem in this country, and the people that can solve it can't, and those that can legislate it refuse to even debate it.

    this is going to happen as long as there are guns, and we are going to continue to be shocked by it, and we will do nothing about it.

    how long until the nra has a rally in colorado? i'm guessing 7 days....

    getting rid of guns would not work to eleminate mass murders and random killings the wackos would just find another way to kill,guns arnt the only weapon used to kill on a large scale ,a planted bomb would have possibly killed and mamed many more.

    Godfather.
  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    is anyone honestly surprised by this?
    Of course we are, are you out of your mind?
    this shit happens every month in this country
    Except that it doesn't. It DOES happen far too often however, I'll grant you that.
    we have a gun problem in this country, and the people that can solve it can't, and those that can legislate it refuse to even debate it.

    this is going to happen as long as there are guns, and we are going to continue to be shocked by it, and we will do nothing about it.
    The world might be a much better place if guns had never been invented. But it's a bit too late for that. Outlawing guns now isn't going to keep them out of the hands of batshit crazy.
    how long until the nra has a rally in colorado? i'm guessing 7 days....
    Though I obviously support the 2nd amendment, I do hope you're wrong. Aurora needs time to heal; no need to throw the topic in their face.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,894
    MotoDC wrote:
    Anyhow, I'm not even clear what point you'r trying to make other than that you hate guns and you might be cool with criminals having guns.


    Right, you got it exactly.
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  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MotoDC wrote:
    Anyhow, I'm not even clear what point you'r trying to make other than that you hate guns and you might be cool with criminals having guns.


    Right, you got it exactly.
    OK maybe I needed a "LOL" after the second part of my sentence, but it didn't feel like that kind of thread. Obviously you're not literally "cool with criminals having guns", but read your post. It could be taken that way. So seriously then, other than that you dislike (is that a better word for you?) guns, what was your point?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,894
    MotoDC wrote:

    This doesn't seem like a spur of the moment, temporary insanity killing spree. He had tear gas at least. Seems very pre-planned. Even if guns were outlawed, you don't think this batshit crazy person could have gotten a couple of handguns illegally? Sure it might be "harder" than it currently is to get a handgun, but being a bit more difficult isn't the kind of thing that stops batshit crazy.


    It most certainly would be harder and give police, etc the chance to stop it before it happens.

    Let me ask you this, do you believe that terrorists have wanted to kill americans since 9/11? Has it happened? Have plans been foiled? Why is that?

    It will take some time to get to a level that is comfortable because there are just too many guns out there. But I certainly think it is possible.

    And if you are worried about having access to weapons to protect you from your government, you are just bat-shit crazy already because your handguns, etc are going to do you a lot of good up against a bomber.
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    Like I said in the other thread that old man may have made it worse. The guy threw tear gas in a packed, dark theater and was wearing a bulletproof vest. You want an old man trying to shoot him?

    It may be easier just to do our best to keep firearms from crazies.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,894
    MotoDC wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MotoDC wrote:
    Anyhow, I'm not even clear what point you'r trying to make other than that you hate guns and you might be cool with criminals having guns.


    Right, you got it exactly.
    OK maybe I needed a "LOL" after the second part of my sentence, but it didn't feel like that kind of thread. Obviously you're not literally "cool with criminals having guns", but read your post. It could be taken that way. So seriously then, other than that you dislike (is that a better word for you?) guns, what was your point?

    My point being that it's tiresome to keep hearing that criminals will get guns anyhow when it is generally not your typical criminal committing these types of killings.

    And I'm not for criminal having guns, I just realize it will be difficult to take guns or access away from them all. But the one thing I'm sure of, less guns would mean less deaths.
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    We don't have to outlaw guns. We have to make them harder to get. It's not an all or none situation. NRA folks never seem to understand this.
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  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    ComeToTX wrote:
    Like I said in the other thread that old man may have made it worse. The guy threw tear gas in a packed, dark theater and was wearing a bulletproof vest. You want an old man trying to shoot him?
    Worse than 12+ dead and 50+ (according to initial reports, it might be lower now) injured? Doubtful.
    It may be easier just to do our best to keep firearms from crazies.
    We should absolutely work to keep guns away from crazies. I think this is part of what gets these threads off track (not your post in particular, TX). People get so fired up about this topic that we tend not to spend much time discussing the specifics of people's positions on the topic. People reading this thread probably think that I disagree with ALL gun control and probably think that TX/cate/cincy want to ban ALL guns. Even after replying to multiple posts, I couldn't tell you whether people in this thread want an outright ban or just tighter gun laws.

    Background checks, waiting periods, and obviously laws against convicted felons buying guns are all great ideas in my mind (any other suggestions, other than an outright ban?). The catch is I also believe it's a states-rights issue, so I don't think the feds should mandate anything.

    edit: whoops looks like TX sorta beat me to the punch by one post.
  • MotoDC
    MotoDC Posts: 947
    ComeToTX wrote:
    We don't have to outlaw guns. We have to make them harder to get. It's not an all or none situation. NRA folks never seem to understand this.
    Eh, that's not really fair, at least in the context of conversations like this. People come in pretty hot, so to speak, so it's hard to tell what the anti-gun crowd here really wants (see my prior post).
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    ComeToTX wrote:

    It may be easier just to do our best to keep firearms from crazies.


    Define crazy. I'm being serious. There is legislation that troops that have served for years who might have PTSD will be banned from purchasing a firearm. Do we really want to leave it up to politicians to define?
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    unsung wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:

    It may be easier just to do our best to keep firearms from crazies.


    Define crazy. I'm being serious. There is legislation that troops that have served for years who might have PTSD will be banned from purchasing a firearm. Do we really want to leave it up to politicians to define?

    I tend to think most politicians are crazy so the last thing I would want is someone who is already crazy to define just what crazy is.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    know1 wrote:
    There is a segment of the population (a seemingly growing segment) that just seem to want to be noticed for doing something dramatic. The shootings are very sad and extreme examples of that, but I see people quite often now who just do obnoxious, loud, discourteous things. I really think it's somewhat tied to being starved for attention.

    I also think it's tied to the fact that you can't access news and media these days without every story being about the "best", "worst", "longest", "oldest" whatever. It seems everything has to be sensational.
    Haven't read the whole thread yet, don't know the full story of this man and what his motives might've been, but I do agree with this.

    It's beyond saddening that the look-at-me mentality (doesn't matter for what, just LOOK AT ME) has, for now anyway, trumped integrity and simple decency.

    "Teach your children well", my ass.
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    So this guy was a med student at PhD who seems to have lived a very normal life. Not one of the crazies I was speaking of. It sounds like he boobie trapped his apartment with all types of explosives. Luckily he told the cops before they went in.

    I'm not sure what the answer is. I wouldn't have a problem stopping the manufacturing of automatic assault weapons though. Especially ones that are easlily concealed.
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  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    Speaking as an outsider (Canadian), I'm not convinced that this is the sort of issue that can easily solved be through simple legislation or any other type of social engineering. From my point of view, the United States has a very distinct culture which seems to share an unusually strong fascination with guns and gun violence. I can't think of many other Western societies where violence is so openly celebrated. On the other hand, swearing and sex are still very much viewed as taboo subjects by the media. I'm uncertain as to why Americans embrace violence more than other Western cultures do, but I can't see how banning firearms would change this phenomenon.
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    ...or maybe it's less of a gun problem and more of a problem with our society.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    ComeToTX wrote:
    ...or maybe it's less of a gun problem and more of a problem with our society.

    This is what I think.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    know1 wrote:
    ComeToTX wrote:
    ...or maybe it's less of a gun problem and more of a problem with our society.

    This is what I think.

    And things will get worse before it gets better. These things never seem to wake people up for more than a few days to the real problems. Mental health, violence, guns...
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