pandora,
they just murdered my wife and son. why the hell would i forgive that monster? illness made him do it! says the doctors. i do not give a shit what they have to say. less than a week after the event i aint ready to forgive and may never ever forgive and understand their cruelty which ruined my life
And if you found it was not cruelty?
Nothing personal, not like those who kill for lust, joy, greed,revenge, fun.
not cruelty? what the heck else is it if it is not cruel?
How is it decided he is mentally ill? Seems like a sharp cookie to me. A coward, but sharp.
Mentally ill people to not take months to plan and stockpile for an event like this. They don't wear body armor and attack the weak and then give up when confronted by an armed response without even a fight. They don't rig sophisticated traps.
Dude is stone-cold evil.
And it's odd to see him get more pity then Joe Pa.
i use the word or cold murderer or has mental problem
and is an opinion that has no base no matter which of 2 is the truth..
i cant do diagnose from the sofa of my house just watching the news.
if some of you in the thread can do a diagnose via tv screen,...
then,all the doctors out there that see patient in PERSON every day must go burn their diplomas..
i love me some dimitris
this dude makes me smile a lot & often
great fricmkin dude this guy
i use the word or cold murderer or has mental problem
and is an opinion that has no base no matter which of 2 is the truth..
i cant do diagnose from the sofa of my house just watching the news.
if some of you in the thread can do a diagnose via tv screen,...
then,all the doctors out there that see patient in PERSON every day must go burn their diplomas..
i love me some dimitris
this dude makes me smile a lot & often
great fricmkin dude this guy
Chadwick i totally understand your point....my ex committed adultry i forgave her for that why because it was done between the two of us, i can handle that. However, she also abused my daughter when she was 3 years old because we were separated and she wanted us to get back together while putting my daughter through some terrrible horrors. I gained full custody except for 1 month in the summers.
I never forgave her for the abuse of my daughter and now she acts as if it never happened. i have no empathy for her to abuse an innocent 3 year old who was terrified for 3 months till I found out and put an immediate stop to it. This summer will be the very last regardless of what the courts has written...my daughter cannot stand to go to her so next summer and ones after she will stay with my mother and she my ex can visit.
There's just some things one has to say no I can't tolerate what you have done because to this day my daughter is still terrified of the dark and many other things I can't say here...it'll probably last the rest of her life.
Peace
hugs to you & your daughter, g under p
thank you for always be a good stand up dude. you always make sense from what i have read. you are a good father. if i were in your area i'd be honored to hang out a bit
How many times in the previous days has he 'stared into space' as if he's lost his mind? Better run with the act now, buddy. Looks like you're in trouble.
I would imagine he has some interesting thoughts going through his head to say the least. Maybe he is reflecting on how it felt to shoot a defenseless woman in the face or to murder a 6 year old in cold blood. Maybe he's going back over how it felt to hold that AR-15 and spew off dozens of rounds into innocent people in mere seconds. Maybe it will drive him to simply put himself down. I'm surprised we havent heard anything about him being on suicide watch. How can a person live with those images in their mind? :?
Just because you personally wouldn't shoot someone for what they say, doesn't mean you couldn't. Certainly there are some people that would and do, some governments that do. How many people haven't heard of an incident of someone engaging in an argument and said (or heard someone say) "that person could have shot you! You don't know if s/he is carrying a gun!" So in those cases I guess it would limit speech. Cold medicines are tools that are used to make illicit drugs and so the access to them is limited. It's not the cold medicine that's making the drugs, it's the person. Registries are being created for prescribed pain medication to limit their misuse. The pills are just the tool for the misuse it's the people that are misusing them.
if you go that route, I could run you over with my car, I could sneak up behind you and hit you with a sock full of nickels...etc...etc...what you are describing isn't legal gun ownership, and those that follow the laws of gun ownership will be just as likely to follow any new laws that are created...doesn't mean the criminals will. Which is why I said that you have to go all the way if you really want to eliminate it. the ban on assault weapons expired, among other things, violent crime is decreasing as a rate, did one cause the other...no way for me to tell...It probably has more to do with the birth rate out pacing violent criminals...or CSI...who the fuck knows...
Are you saying because guns exist they inherently limit speech? if you don't do something because of the fear of the unknown that isn't anyone else's doing, that is your own. It only limits speech if you let it in that case. If someone is pointing a gun at you and yelling at you, that is a crime. Would you listen more intently to a man with a knife? sword? bat?
if you think you will get an argument for any type of over the counter/prescription drug control from me you won't. I don't think drugs and guns are analogous either...
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brandshing a gun alters the conversation and effectively silences one side of the debate. let's face it, who is going to speak up to someone who is holding a gun???
i guarantee you that those tea partiers that showed up at health care town halls with loaded, open, and brandished rifles silenced one side of the debate, and that side was the side that did not agree with them.
that is infringing on free speech right there... strictly by intimidation.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Just because you personally wouldn't shoot someone for what they say, doesn't mean you couldn't. Certainly there are some people that would and do, some governments that do. How many people haven't heard of an incident of someone engaging in an argument and said (or heard someone say) "that person could have shot you! You don't know if s/he is carrying a gun!" So in those cases I guess it would limit speech. Cold medicines are tools that are used to make illicit drugs and so the access to them is limited. It's not the cold medicine that's making the drugs, it's the person. Registries are being created for prescribed pain medication to limit their misuse. The pills are just the tool for the misuse it's the people that are misusing them.
if you go that route, I could run you over with my car, I could sneak up behind you and hit you with a sock full of nickels...etc...etc...what you are describing isn't legal gun ownership, and those that follow the laws of gun ownership will be just as likely to follow any new laws that are created...doesn't mean the criminals will. Which is why I said that you have to go all the way if you really want to eliminate it. the ban on assault weapons expired, among other things, violent crime is decreasing as a rate, did one cause the other...no way for me to tell...It probably has more to do with the birth rate out pacing violent criminals...or CSI...who the fuck knows...
Are you saying because guns exist they inherently limit speech? if you don't do something because of the fear of the unknown that isn't anyone else's doing, that is your own. It only limits speech if you let it in that case. If someone is pointing a gun at you and yelling at you, that is a crime. Would you listen more intently to a man with a knife? sword? bat?
if you think you will get an argument for any type of over the counter/prescription drug control from me you won't. I don't think drugs and guns are analogous either...
Except that cars serve another purpose other than to kill. Guns only exist to inflict injury, unless I'm missing something. So while guns don't exist to inherently limit speech, they do exist to wound and kill. I might be able to outrun a man with a knife, bat (both of which serve purposes other than to kill), but I'm pretty sure I can't outrun a bullet, so yeah, I'd be more in fear of the person with a gun. You'd have to get a lot closer to me with a bat or a knife. How many people would that shooter in this attack have killed or injured with a knife or bat? At most a handful.
I don't think drugs and guns are analogous either - just responding to your argument of them only being a tool.
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i use the word or cold murderer or has mental problem
and is an opinion that has no base no matter which of 2 is the truth..
i cant do diagnose from the sofa of my house just watching the news.
if some of you in the thread can do a diagnose via tv screen,...
then,all the doctors out there that see patient in PERSON every day must go burn their diplomas..
i love me some dimitris
this dude makes me smile a lot & often
great fricmkin dude this guy
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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horse doodoo
you have all the choices in the world
sure forgiveness they say weighs heavy not allowing healing
screw it aint forgiving shit if someone burst into a theater and killed a dozen people one being my brother, mom, dad, girlfriend, whichever.
i'd have to lock myself up to avoid blowing that person's head off which would put me in prison possibly. but i am not going to forgive anyone for killing my people. i will refuse to understand them
pandora,
they just murdered my wife and son. why the hell would i forgive that monster? illness made him do it! says the doctors. i do not give a shit what they have to say. less than a week after the event i aint ready to forgive and may never ever forgive and understand their cruelty which ruined my life
Chadwick i totally understand your point....my ex committed adultry i forgave her for that why because it was done between the two of us, i can handle that. However, she also abused my daughter when she was 3 years old because we were separated and she wanted us to get back together while putting my daughter through some terrrible horrors. I gained full custody except for 1 month in the summers.
I never forgave her for the abuse of my daughter and now she acts as if it never happened. i have no empathy for her to abuse an innocent 3 year old who was terrified for 3 months till I found out and put an immediate stop to it. This summer will be the very last regardless of what the courts has written...my daughter cannot stand to go to her so next summer and ones after she will stay with my mother and she my ex can visit.
There's just some things one has to say no I can't tolerate what you have done because to this day my daughter is still terrified of the dark and many other things I can't say here...it'll probably last the rest of her life.
I shouldn't pursue this maybe and it is of personal nature though you volunteered
Was she found to have a mental illness that caused her actions?
This is a person i met 32 years ago in college and over those years I've come to the conclusion there's something seriously wrong with her why she would treat BOTH of her daughters the way she has. She has not been professionally interviewed but I don't need that to determine she maybe mentally ill in some way. I believe she may...no....was abused in her youth by a close family member. This is why abuse of our children is such a serious thing why because the cycle of abuse has a high percentage of continuing.
It's unreal over the years the things she has done ALL to benefit her selfish ways. Ex: I mean what mother steals from her 19 year daughter by using her name to get a loan...then leaving the 19 year old with the loan, then kick her out of the house with no place to go while she was in college. My mother helped her on her feet and out of that madness.
I tried one to get her help after she said she tried to commit suicide ( I didn't believe her...it was more of a try for sympathy) but she felt she didn't need to be seen by a therapist. She did go with me to a marriage counselor which helped but after some time I realized she was just too selfish to continue this relationship.
Peace
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If you own a gun, you are statistically 50% more likely to die from your own gun than somebody elses.
So, owning a gun is statistically more deadly than not owning a gun.
I'm still for the right to bear arms, I just don't feel the need to own a gun.
Thats how I feel, I had many guns when I was younger, never an AR-15, mostly Browning 9mm and Wicnchestor Police Defenders. As I got older, I just don't feel the need to carry one or own one. Thankfully I never carried a gun in my car, I would have been a road rage statistic waiting to happen. I just don't want to live my life feeling I need to carry a gun everwhere I go, that would suck, for me at least.
Guns are DESIGNED to kill, many can use them for target practice (I did when was on my school's rifleteam) or they use guns to PROTECT themselves. I don't feel the need to own a gun at the moment. I may in the future purchase a 22 caliber rifle to shoot at our gun club. Just to see if I'm STILL as good of a shot as I was in college, I was #2 on my rifle team. Number one had at the time the best rifle and scope that rifle was badass.
Now in our home for protection let's see I have somewhere in our master bedroom a machete, baseball bat and a 4ft sword from Pakistan (you know the kind Conan would use..not the redhead, The Barbarian). Many times I'll go bare feet and practice Conan The Barbarian moves by the lake, I'm sure if my neighbors could see they would think I'm nuts. On the her side has a billy club sometimes I think it's for me.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
So many assumptions made, whether on this guy's mental health or the 'if I had a gun, I would have.... ' type issues.
As far as I can see at the moment, this guy seemed to know and understand what he was doing and going to do (amassing such a stock of weapons/ammo over time, etc.) and it was carefully planned. He may seem delusional, a socipath or a psychopath but he was functional. Then again, so was Hitler. Do we feel empathy for him? Probably not.
So, until this guy is fully diagnosed (a mental illness to trigger this massacre, a 'benign' mental illness or no mental illness), I would rather focus my sympathy on the victims and their families.
We happen to have a couple of people here who have sound professional experience of mental illness on this thread - maybe some can take note of what they have to say?
When the 'proper' experts know what makes this guy tick and what happened (of which, by the way, we may never be fully informed), maybe we can then have an informed debate as to what we think could be possible solutions to avoid these massacres in the future. Not the 'if only he had help in time, this wouldn't have happened' type of major assumptions being made and ran away with at the moment. Opinions are fine, we all hae them and discuss them, but let's not present them as 'fact' or 'knowledge'. Oh.. and the families having empathy for the killer of their loved ones? Hmmmm..... They are asking for the death penalty.
Yesterday, driving past the american consultate in Brussels, I noticed the flag was half-mast. Was a bit surprised but thought it may have to do with the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan. Today, I went to a military base and the flag was half-mast again. Thought the same thing (after all, a military base - honouring their dead). But I asked - and it was half-mast for the victims of this massacre. Honouring the victims - not finding excuses for their death and their killer.
So many assumptions made, whether on this guy's mental health or the 'if I had a gun, I would have.... ' type issues.
As far as I can see at the moment, this guy seemed to know and understand what he was doing and going to do (amassing such a stock of weapons/ammo over time, etc.) and it was carefully planned. He may seem delusional, a socipath or a psychopath but he was functional. Then again, so was Hitler. Do we feel empathy for him? Probably not.
So, until this guy is fully diagnosed (a mental illness to trigger this massacre, a 'benign' mental illness or no mental illness), I would rather focus my sympathy on the victims and their families.
We happen to have a couple of people here who have sound professional experience of mental illness on this thread - maybe some can take note of what they have to say?
When the 'proper' experts know what makes this guy tick and what happened (of which, by the way, we may never be fully informed), maybe we can then have an informed debate as to what we think could be possible solutions to avoid these massacres in the future. Not the 'if only he had help in time, this wouldn't have happened' type of major assumptions being made and ran away with at the moment. Opinions are fine, we all hae them and discuss them, but let's not present them as 'fact' or 'knowledge'. Oh.. and the families having empathy for the killer of their loved ones? Hmmmm..... They are asking for the death penalty.
Yesterday, driving past the american consultate in Brussels, I noticed the flag was half-mast. Was a bit surprised but thought it may have to do with the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan. Today, I went to a military base and the flag was half-mast again. Thought the same thing (after all, a military base - honouring their dead). But I asked - and it was half-mast for the victims of this massacre. Honouring the victims - not finding excuses for their death and their killer.
this is a gun thread, rr...thoughtful, rational posts aren't allowed here
Yesterday, driving past the american consultate in Brussels, I noticed the flag was half-mast. Was a bit surprised but thought it may have to do with the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan. Today, I went to a military base and the flag was half-mast again. Thought the same thing (after all, a military base - honouring their dead). But I asked - and it was half-mast for the victims of this massacre. Honouring the victims - not finding excuses for their death and their killer.
Good post, redrock - and I find the above incredibly touching.
So many assumptions made, whether on this guy's mental health or the 'if I had a gun, I would have.... ' type issues.
As far as I can see at the moment, this guy seemed to know and understand what he was doing and going to do (amassing such a stock of weapons/ammo over time, etc.) and it was carefully planned. He may seem delusional, a socipath or a psychopath but he was functional. Then again, so was Hitler. Do we feel empathy for him? Probably not.
So, until this guy is fully diagnosed (a mental illness to trigger this massacre, a 'benign' mental illness or no mental illness), I would rather focus my sympathy on the victims and their families.
We happen to have a couple of people here who have sound professional experience of mental illness on this thread - maybe some can take note of what they have to say?
When the 'proper' experts know what makes this guy tick and what happened (of which, by the way, we may never be fully informed), maybe we can then have an informed debate as to what we think could be possible solutions to avoid these massacres in the future. Not the 'if only he had help in time, this wouldn't have happened' type of major assumptions being made and ran away with at the moment. Opinions are fine, we all hae them and discuss them, but let's not present them as 'fact' or 'knowledge'. Oh.. and the families having empathy for the killer of their loved ones? Hmmmm..... They are asking for the death penalty.
Yesterday, driving past the american consultate in Brussels, I noticed the flag was half-mast. Was a bit surprised but thought it may have to do with the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan. Today, I went to a military base and the flag was half-mast again. Thought the same thing (after all, a military base - honouring their dead). But I asked - and it was half-mast for the victims of this massacre. Honouring the victims - not finding excuses for their death and their killer.
I love what you said here.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Yesterday, driving past the american consultate in Brussels, I noticed the flag was half-mast. Was a bit surprised but thought it may have to do with the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan. Today, I went to a military base and the flag was half-mast again. Thought the same thing (after all, a military base - honouring their dead). But I asked - and it was half-mast for the victims of this massacre. Honouring the victims - not finding excuses for their death and their killer.
Good post, redrock - and I find the above incredibly touching.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
How many times in the previous days has he 'stared into space' as if he's lost his mind? Better run with the act now, buddy. Looks like you're in trouble.
I would imagine he has some interesting thoughts going through his head to say the least. Maybe he is reflecting on how it felt to shoot a defenseless woman in the face or to murder a 6 year old in cold blood. Maybe he's going back over how it felt to hold that AR-15 and spew off dozens of rounds into innocent people in mere seconds. Maybe it will drive him to simply put himself down. I'm surprised we havent heard anything about him being on suicide watch. How can a person live with those images in their mind? :?
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maybe he is reflecting on why the hell he was the joker?
So many assumptions made, whether on this guy's mental health or the 'if I had a gun, I would have.... ' type issues.
As far as I can see at the moment, this guy seemed to know and understand what he was doing and going to do (amassing such a stock of weapons/ammo over time, etc.) and it was carefully planned. He may seem delusional, a socipath or a psychopath but he was functional. Then again, so was Hitler. Do we feel empathy for him? Probably not.
So, until this guy is fully diagnosed (a mental illness to trigger this massacre, a 'benign' mental illness or no mental illness), I would rather focus my sympathy on the victims and their families.
We happen to have a couple of people here who have sound professional experience of mental illness on this thread - maybe some can take note of what they have to say?
When the 'proper' experts know what makes this guy tick and what happened (of which, by the way, we may never be fully informed), maybe we can then have an informed debate as to what we think could be possible solutions to avoid these massacres in the future. Not the 'if only he had help in time, this wouldn't have happened' type of major assumptions being made and ran away with at the moment. Opinions are fine, we all hae them and discuss them, but let's not present them as 'fact' or 'knowledge'. Oh.. and the families having empathy for the killer of their loved ones? Hmmmm..... They are asking for the death penalty.
Yesterday, driving past the american consultate in Brussels, I noticed the flag was half-mast. Was a bit surprised but thought it may have to do with the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan. Today, I went to a military base and the flag was half-mast again. Thought the same thing (after all, a military base - honouring their dead). But I asked - and it was half-mast for the victims of this massacre. Honouring the victims - not finding excuses for their death and their killer.
I too have heard so many assumptions of this man...
A cold blooded killer who does not value life that should lose his own.
The same was said of Giffords shooting and indeed that killer is now diagnosed
as a schizophrenic and receiving forced treatments in prison.
I hope the bloodlust for this killer is not to the point that he will not receive the same
fairness if found to be mentally ill.
The interviews I saw were with victims Friday those in the theatre who escaped
and yes they had empathy also for the gunman . Perhaps because they thought
he was deranged and the way he waited for police. Very illogical move to wait on police.
I am against the death penalty and am wondering if indeed all the victims will want that
as time goes on.
As far as opinions we all have them and they are based in our experiences.
For me mental illness is pretty well understood, well enough to give an opinion,
at least as well as the those who think he just deserves to die and who totally
discounts mental illness and that it can be the cause of his behavior.
Guns are DESIGNED to kill, many can use them for target practice (I did when was on my school's rifleteam) or they use guns to PROTECT themselves. I don't feel the need to own a gun at the moment. I may in the future purchase a 22 caliber rifle to shoot at our gun club. Just to see if I'm STILL as good of a shot as I was in college, I was #2 on my rifle team. Number one had at the time the best rifle and scope that rifle was badass.
Now in our home for protection let's see I have somewhere in our master bedroom a machete, baseball bat and a 4ft sword from Pakistan (you know the kind Conan would use..not the redhead, The Barbarian). Many times I'll go bare feet and practice Conan The Barbarian moves by the lake, I'm sure if my neighbors could see they would think I'm nuts. On the her side has a billy club sometimes I think it's for me.
So many assumptions made, whether on this guy's mental health or the 'if I had a gun, I would have.... ' type issues.
As far as I can see at the moment, this guy seemed to know and understand what he was doing and going to do (amassing such a stock of weapons/ammo over time, etc.) and it was carefully planned. He may seem delusional, a socipath or a psychopath but he was functional. Then again, so was Hitler. Do we feel empathy for him? Probably not.
So, until this guy is fully diagnosed (a mental illness to trigger this massacre, a 'benign' mental illness or no mental illness), I would rather focus my sympathy on the victims and their families.
We happen to have a couple of people here who have sound professional experience of mental illness on this thread - maybe some can take note of what they have to say?
When the 'proper' experts know what makes this guy tick and what happened (of which, by the way, we may never be fully informed), maybe we can then have an informed debate as to what we think could be possible solutions to avoid these massacres in the future. Not the 'if only he had help in time, this wouldn't have happened' type of major assumptions being made and ran away with at the moment. Opinions are fine, we all hae them and discuss them, but let's not present them as 'fact' or 'knowledge'. Oh.. and the families having empathy for the killer of their loved ones? Hmmmm..... They are asking for the death penalty.
Yesterday, driving past the american consultate in Brussels, I noticed the flag was half-mast. Was a bit surprised but thought it may have to do with the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan. Today, I went to a military base and the flag was half-mast again. Thought the same thing (after all, a military base - honouring their dead). But I asked - and it was half-mast for the victims of this massacre. Honouring the victims - not finding excuses for their death and their killer.
I too have heard so many assumptions of this man...
A cold blooded killer who does not value life that should lose his own.
The same was said of Giffords shooting and indeed that killer is now diagnosed
as a schizophrenic and receiving forced treatments in prison.
I hope the bloodlust for this killer is not to the point that he will not receive the same
fairness if found to be mentally ill.
The interviews I saw were with victims Friday those in the theatre who escaped
and yes they had empathy also for the gunman . Perhaps because they thought
he was deranged and the way he waited for police. Very illogical move to wait on police.
I am against the death penalty and am wondering if indeed all the victims will want that
as time goes on.
As far as opinions we all have them and they are based in our experiences.
For me mental illness is pretty well understood, well enough to give an opinion,
at least as well as the those who think he just deserves to die and who totally
discounts mental illness and that it can be the cause of his behavior.
We must be watching different things. I haven't seen any empathy from victims. Just shock, anger and sadness.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
if you go that route, I could run you over with my car, I could sneak up behind you and hit you with a sock full of nickels...etc...etc...
Ok, but what purpose does a gun play?
Now what about a car, is it only to kill people?
Now, these nickels you mention, they are used to buy goods and services no? Not manufactured to kill.
And so on, and so on, etc, etc, etc.
...
I agree.
And if I see some fool hitting ComeBackGirl with a sock full of nickels, I'm going after the guy. If he is emptying the magazine of an AR-15 into her... I'm fleeing in terror (sorry ComeBackGirl).
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if you go that route, I could run you over with my car, I could sneak up behind you and hit you with a sock full of nickels...etc...etc...
Ok, but what purpose does a gun play?
Now what about a car, is it only to kill people?
Now, these nickels you mention, they are used to buy goods and services no? Not manufactured to kill.
And so on, and so on, etc, etc, etc.
...
I agree.
And if I see some fool hitting ComeBackGirl with a sock full of nickels, I'm going after the guy. If he is emptying the magazine of an AR-15 into her... I'm fleeing in terror (sorry ComeBackGirl).
I don't blame you Cosmo. We have active shooter drills at work and I always tell them they can train me all they like, but if the shit hits the fan they're going to see my little car speeding through the woods and heading to the expressway :P It's a relief to know you'll save me from the nickels though. Phew
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I am tired; my heart is
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the sun stands I will fight
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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this dude makes me smile a lot & often
great fricmkin dude this guy
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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truth!
thank you for always be a good stand up dude. you always make sense from what i have read. you are a good father. if i were in your area i'd be honored to hang out a bit
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
this
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
if you go that route, I could run you over with my car, I could sneak up behind you and hit you with a sock full of nickels...etc...etc...what you are describing isn't legal gun ownership, and those that follow the laws of gun ownership will be just as likely to follow any new laws that are created...doesn't mean the criminals will. Which is why I said that you have to go all the way if you really want to eliminate it. the ban on assault weapons expired, among other things, violent crime is decreasing as a rate, did one cause the other...no way for me to tell...It probably has more to do with the birth rate out pacing violent criminals...or CSI...who the fuck knows...
Are you saying because guns exist they inherently limit speech? if you don't do something because of the fear of the unknown that isn't anyone else's doing, that is your own. It only limits speech if you let it in that case. If someone is pointing a gun at you and yelling at you, that is a crime. Would you listen more intently to a man with a knife? sword? bat?
if you think you will get an argument for any type of over the counter/prescription drug control from me you won't. I don't think drugs and guns are analogous either...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
i guarantee you that those tea partiers that showed up at health care town halls with loaded, open, and brandished rifles silenced one side of the debate, and that side was the side that did not agree with them.
that is infringing on free speech right there... strictly by intimidation.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I don't think drugs and guns are analogous either - just responding to your argument of them only being a tool.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
This is a person i met 32 years ago in college and over those years I've come to the conclusion there's something seriously wrong with her why she would treat BOTH of her daughters the way she has. She has not been professionally interviewed but I don't need that to determine she maybe mentally ill in some way. I believe she may...no....was abused in her youth by a close family member. This is why abuse of our children is such a serious thing why because the cycle of abuse has a high percentage of continuing.
It's unreal over the years the things she has done ALL to benefit her selfish ways. Ex: I mean what mother steals from her 19 year daughter by using her name to get a loan...then leaving the 19 year old with the loan, then kick her out of the house with no place to go while she was in college. My mother helped her on her feet and out of that madness.
I tried one to get her help after she said she tried to commit suicide ( I didn't believe her...it was more of a try for sympathy) but she felt she didn't need to be seen by a therapist. She did go with me to a marriage counselor which helped but after some time I realized she was just too selfish to continue this relationship.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Guns are DESIGNED to kill, many can use them for target practice (I did when was on my school's rifleteam) or they use guns to PROTECT themselves. I don't feel the need to own a gun at the moment. I may in the future purchase a 22 caliber rifle to shoot at our gun club. Just to see if I'm STILL as good of a shot as I was in college, I was #2 on my rifle team. Number one had at the time the best rifle and scope that rifle was badass.
Now in our home for protection let's see I have somewhere in our master bedroom a machete, baseball bat and a 4ft sword from Pakistan (you know the kind Conan would use..not the redhead, The Barbarian). Many times I'll go bare feet and practice Conan The Barbarian moves by the lake, I'm sure if my neighbors could see they would think I'm nuts. On the her side has a billy club sometimes I think it's for me.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
There is no reason for a civilian to have a need for a 100 round magazine.
Ok, but what purpose does a gun play?
Now what about a car, is it only to kill people?
Now, these nickels you mention, they are used to buy goods and services no? Not manufactured to kill.
And so on, and so on, etc, etc, etc.
As far as I can see at the moment, this guy seemed to know and understand what he was doing and going to do (amassing such a stock of weapons/ammo over time, etc.) and it was carefully planned. He may seem delusional, a socipath or a psychopath but he was functional. Then again, so was Hitler. Do we feel empathy for him? Probably not.
So, until this guy is fully diagnosed (a mental illness to trigger this massacre, a 'benign' mental illness or no mental illness), I would rather focus my sympathy on the victims and their families.
We happen to have a couple of people here who have sound professional experience of mental illness on this thread - maybe some can take note of what they have to say?
When the 'proper' experts know what makes this guy tick and what happened (of which, by the way, we may never be fully informed), maybe we can then have an informed debate as to what we think could be possible solutions to avoid these massacres in the future. Not the 'if only he had help in time, this wouldn't have happened' type of major assumptions being made and ran away with at the moment. Opinions are fine, we all hae them and discuss them, but let's not present them as 'fact' or 'knowledge'. Oh.. and the families having empathy for the killer of their loved ones? Hmmmm..... They are asking for the death penalty.
Yesterday, driving past the american consultate in Brussels, I noticed the flag was half-mast. Was a bit surprised but thought it may have to do with the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan. Today, I went to a military base and the flag was half-mast again. Thought the same thing (after all, a military base - honouring their dead). But I asked - and it was half-mast for the victims of this massacre. Honouring the victims - not finding excuses for their death and their killer.
this is a gun thread, rr...thoughtful, rational posts aren't allowed here
Don't get me started with the gun issue Norm!!!!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
A cold blooded killer who does not value life that should lose his own.
The same was said of Giffords shooting and indeed that killer is now diagnosed
as a schizophrenic and receiving forced treatments in prison.
I hope the bloodlust for this killer is not to the point that he will not receive the same
fairness if found to be mentally ill.
The interviews I saw were with victims Friday those in the theatre who escaped
and yes they had empathy also for the gunman . Perhaps because they thought
he was deranged and the way he waited for police. Very illogical move to wait on police.
I am against the death penalty and am wondering if indeed all the victims will want that
as time goes on.
As far as opinions we all have them and they are based in our experiences.
For me mental illness is pretty well understood, well enough to give an opinion,
at least as well as the those who think he just deserves to die and who totally
discounts mental illness and that it can be the cause of his behavior.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
what the?
why's alex jones the way he is?
several shooters? times like this sometimes i'd like t.v. in my house
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
We must be watching different things. I haven't seen any empathy from victims. Just shock, anger and sadness.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
i dunno
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I agree.
And if I see some fool hitting ComeBackGirl with a sock full of nickels, I'm going after the guy. If he is emptying the magazine of an AR-15 into her... I'm fleeing in terror (sorry ComeBackGirl).
Hail, Hail!!!
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"