People like this...

DS1119

inmytree wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Yes I do agree with sop and frisk laws. Absolutely.

yet censorship seems to bother you....

:?

Absolutely. Until then I suggest you stay away from the borders so your rights arent "infringed upon".

DS1119

Drowned Out wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

And yet another post where you say nothing.

Oh really? You've fallen back on 'illegal = bad" in every post in this thread.

Illegal is bad. If it's against the law at the given time it's a no no. If someone wants to break the law...that's their choice...but there may be consequences. Asking people their fucking citizenship is not infringing on someone's rights. Please get off of your soapbox becasue it case you didn't realize it's already happening. You don't like it...fine/...go change it then. Until then, I suggest you don't visit too close to the borders.

Drowned Out

DS1119 wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

And yet another post where you say nothing.

Oh really? You've fallen back on 'illegal = bad" in every post in this thread.

Illegal is bad. If it's against the law at the given time it's a no no. If someone wants to break the law...that's their choice...but there may be consequences. Asking people their fucking citizenship is not infringing on someone's rights. Please get off of your soapbox becasue it case you didn't realize it's already happening. You don't like it...fine/...go change it then. Until then, I suggest you don't visit too close to the borders.

My intention isn't to get into a discussion on civil disobedience with you. I think it would be another dead-end conversation, and it isn't what this thread is about anyway. There is no civil disobedience displayed in the OP.

Asking about citizenship isn't infringing on anyone's rights, no. Insisting on an answer, under threat of detention, is....unless there is a law im unaware of. Should I be able to do what I want, within the law, or not?
Or is this nazi Germany?

inmytree

PJ_Soul wrote:

inmytree wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Where I live, DUI checkpoint s are the ONLY thing keeping thousands and thousands of drunk people from driving. I think it's ludicrous to be against them. I also think it is rather ludicrous to bitch about being asked if you are a citizen as though it is a violation of your freedom. Gimme a break. A question being asked you or having to stop your car briefly is not a violation of any rights. Makes you all sound like a bunch if spoiled brats(sorry).

sorry we're acting like brats, grandma...
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I wonder, ONLY way, huh...?

I guess no DUI arrests were made prior to roadblocks...

What? That doesn't make sense. I said roadblocks are the oy thing keeping tons of people from runk driving. Not that they're the only way to keep people from doing it (but I am pretty sure it's the best deterrent by far) .... I see. Your method of debate is to twist what people say to suit you. I don't roll like that.
And why are you calling me grandma??

if the shoe fits...

I think you're being a bit dramatic...ONLY thing keep tons of people from runk driving...really...ONLY...?? tons...what does that even mean...?

I'm not about the drama...that's how I roll....

inmytree

DS1119 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Yes I do agree with sop and frisk laws. Absolutely.

yet censorship seems to bother you....

:?

Absolutely. Until then I suggest you stay away from the borders so your rights arent "infringed upon".

I think censorship is great... "Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?

:fp:

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

Secondly, if you believe the US is broke you need to firmly remove your head from your ass.

:corn:

PJ_Soul

inmytree wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

inmytree wrote:

sorry we're acting like brats, grandma...
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I wonder, ONLY way, huh...?

I guess no DUI arrests were made prior to roadblocks...

What? That doesn't make sense. I said roadblocks are the oy thing keeping tons of people from runk driving. Not that they're the only way to keep people from doing it (but I am pretty sure it's the best deterrent by far) .... I see. Your method of debate is to twist what people say to suit you. I don't roll like that.
And why are you calling me grandma??

if the shoe fits...

I think you're being a bit dramatic...ONLY thing keep tons of people from runk driving...really...ONLY...?? tons...what does that even mean...?

I'm not about the drama...that's how I roll....

I'm not being dramatic at all. In Vancouver, anyway, the majority of people who drink would drive while over the legal limit if they weren't afraid of hitting a road check. I don't know about elsewhere, but I'm talking thousands and thousands of people. People drinka lot here, and the public transit system is really stupid and shuts down for the night way too early, and everyone commutes and wouldn't pay for such long cab rides. I live in a culture where driving drunk is a very tough habit for people to break, and where people drink a lot.

Still don't know why you called me grandma.

Speaking of being overly dramatic, did you check out the video from the first post in this thread? You should watch it. The guy in it is a total spaz!

DS1119

inmytree wrote:

Absolutely. Until then I suggest you stay away from the borders so your rights arent "infringed upon".

I think censorship is great... "Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?

:fp: [/quote]


This post pretty much makes zero sense. :?

Bottom line is the guy in the video is an asshole. He should just answer the question and move on with his "busy" life.

inmytree

DS1119 wrote:

This post pretty much makes zero sense. :?

Bottom line is the guy in the video is an asshole. He should just answer the question and move on with his "busy" life.

just because you can't ********* doesn't **** the point is wrong...

DS1119

inmytree wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

This post pretty much makes zero sense. :?

Bottom line is the guy in the video is an asshole. He should just answer the question and move on with his "busy" life.

just because you can't ********* doesn't **** the point is wrong...

Another great post. :?


Oh well. Hoping they start with more roadblocks actually. If you don't do anything wrong, no one has anything to worry about.

mikepegg44

DS1119 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

This post pretty much makes zero sense. :?

Bottom line is the guy in the video is an asshole. He should just answer the question and move on with his "busy" life.

just because you can't ********* doesn't **** the point is wrong...

Another great post. :?


Oh well. Hoping they start with more roadblocks actually. If you don't do anything wrong, no one has anything to worry about.

Saying you are ok with stop and frisk laws is about all I need to know. there will be no middle ground here.

I think there should be more roadblocks everywhere too. I think they should start monitoring all phone calls and emails too...I mean if you aren't doing anything wrong, or talking about doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about. Maybe they can even come up with some pre-cogs to catch criminals when they THINK about committing a crime...oh the possibilities...I think there should be two justice systems...one for people who understand the bill of rights and one for those who think it doesn't mean shit because it was written 200+ years ago...They would be VASTLY different.

rights are a tricky thing...seems like they are only convenient to a person when it is their rights being violated, and yes, unlawful search and seizure violates the 4th, whether it is allowed by the SC or not... I don't think you would like to live in a world that you describe. If you do want to, they exist, you should find one...China comes to mind...

DS1119

mikepegg44 wrote:

I think there should be more roadblocks everywhere too. I think they should start monitoring all phone calls and emails too...I mean if you aren't doing anything wrong, or talking about doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about.

Well there are already roadblocks and your calls and emails are monitored. Anything else?

JonnyPistachio

DS1119 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

I think there should be more roadblocks everywhere too. I think they should start monitoring all phone calls and emails too...I mean if you aren't doing anything wrong, or talking about doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about.

Well there are already roadblocks and your calls and emails are monitored. Anything else?

You forgot that you're being videotaped at every single damned intersection too.

Jason P

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You forgot that you're being videotaped at every single damned intersection too.

They only put those cameras up when they are hunting taxpayers. :geek:

BinauralJam

Jason P wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You forgot that you're being videotaped at every single damned intersection too.

They only put those cameras up when they are hunting taxpayers. :geek:

Every time you use your EZ pass, where and when is recorded as well, I feel so safe.

DS1119

Jason P wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You forgot that you're being videotaped at every single damned intersection too.

They only put those cameras up when they are hunting taxpayers. :geek:

Good one guys. Forgot about that. Some people really have a distortion in this country about their freedoms and what they'll "fight" for. I won't answer your question sir about my citizenship but here let me answer my cell phone...send some texts....send some emails...walk past all of these public cameras....do some banking at the ATM...use my credit card at the grocery store....walk past some more secutiry cameras...etc.

cincybearcat

DS1119 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You forgot that you're being videotaped at every single damned intersection too.

They only put those cameras up when they are hunting taxpayers. :geek:

Good one guys. Forgot about that. Some people really have a distortion in this country about their freedoms and what they'll "fight" for. I won't answer your question sir about my citizenship but here let me answer my cell phone...send some texts....send some emails...walk past all of these public cameras....do some banking at the ATM...use my credit card at the grocery store....walk past some more secutiry cameras...etc.

You really just don't get it do you?

Personally I also think that red light cameras or speed cameras (used by some cities) should be eliminated. Sure, I'm aware that people CAN track me when I use my cards, etc. What does that have to do with stopping me and "making me" answer some questions?

DS1119

cincybearcat wrote:

You really just don't get it do you?

Personally I also think that red light cameras or speed cameras (used by some cities) should be eliminated. Sure, I'm aware that people CAN track me when I use my cards, etc. What does that have to do with stopping me and "making me" answer some questions?

Yes I get it. People want to bitch just for the sake of bitching. These roadblocks happen in high drug and illegal immigrant corridors. They are there for a reason. Not to take away people's rights. You don't want to go through them, then avoid them. Holy fuck. SOme Americans are just so pricky with little shit like this it's frustrating. Sometimes a concession needs to be made by a few for the benefit of the country. I don't think answering a fucking question is so hard. :fp:

mikepegg44

DS1119 wrote:

Well there are already roadblocks and your calls and emails are monitored. Anything else?

yeah, I think once a week people should have to go to jail and if they cannot prove they haven't done anything wrong that week they should be placed into custody until they can prove their innocence for the week...enough with innocent until proven guilty...fuck that...we should all have to prove our innocence at all times.

I realize you are very happy that there are road blocks...congratulations...

DS1119 wrote:

Good one guys. Forgot about that. Some people really have a distortion in this country about their freedoms and what they'll "fight" for. I won't answer your question sir about my citizenship but here let me answer my cell phone...send some texts....send some emails...walk past all of these public cameras....do some banking at the ATM...use my credit card at the grocery store....walk past some more secutiry cameras...etc.

Using my cell phone - my choice to enter into a contract with a private business
Using my credit card - my choice to enter into a contract with a private business
Sending emails - my choice to enter into a contract with a private business
Being hassled by federal/state police simply walking on the street or driving my car = unacceptable level of police infringement on my life if one were to live in a country that gave a shit about the 4th amendment.

I realize that the NSA operates with impunity, doesn't mean that I am happy about it. Doesn't mean that I haven't done what I can do to fight things like the patriot act and the rest of it...I am not going to unplug from society. But don't worry, I will fight for your rights too, even if you don't really care about them...

mikepegg44

DS1119 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

You really just don't get it do you?

Personally I also think that red light cameras or speed cameras (used by some cities) should be eliminated. Sure, I'm aware that people CAN track me when I use my cards, etc. What does that have to do with stopping me and "making me" answer some questions?

Yes I get it. People want to bitch just for the sake of bitching. These roadblocks happen in high drug and illegal immigrant corridors. They are there for a reason. Not to take away people's rights. You don't want to go through them, then avoid them. Holy fuck. SOme Americans are just so pricky with little shit like this it's frustrating. Sometimes a concession needs to be made by a few for the benefit of the country. I don't think answering a fucking question is so hard. :fp:

ok,
where do you draw the line in terms of police contact with your life without probable cause?