People like this...

mydogmookieblaylock

if he has a good point his attempt to prove it is misguided. He isn't hurting the process at all he is only hurting the poor bastards who are doing their jobs and the really poor bastards who are stuck behind him. What exactly are you trying to prove by refusing to get out of the way of other motorists while we discuss you disagreement with this checkpoint mess?

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LloydXmas

stargirl69 wrote:

I think he was behaving like a bloody wanker.

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inmytree

DS1119 wrote:

Finding illegal immigrants is a real problem and this can help. Just like finding potential terrorists at an airport is a real problem. Anyone that has an issue answering a law enforcement's question about your citzenship and wants to make it some type of "rights issue" is just an asshole. Answer the question and move on. Oh my God, the horrer...it may actually remove some illegals...the horror!

you keep changing your reasons for disliking this fellow...

Personally I don't think illegal immigrants are the boogeymen that you think they are...

if I'm not doing anything wrong, i.e. driving down the road and obeying all laws...I should be pestered by law enforcement...

PJ_Soul

inmytree wrote:

I think this guy is awesome...good for him...

I think he's a jackass. He should focus his righteousness somewhere useful. Doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is about illegals. They are illegal, and the law is trying to sort it out by citizenship at checkpoints. I don't see the problem. This guy thinks he's hot shit for standing up to the Man, but I think what he's doing is pointless. He's just making that offer's job difficult and holding up traffic even more. Whatever point he's trying to make is completely lost. I fully appreciate people standing for their principles, but only when what they're doing makes sense.

DS1119

inmytree wrote:

if I'm not doing anything wrong, i.e. driving down the road and obeying all laws...I should be pestered by law enforcement...

Well unfortunately sometimes an individual will need to be "pestered" for the good of society and if answering a law officer's question about my citizenship when I'm in that particular country is considered being pestered than that's fine with me.

And about the illegal immingrant issue. Move along the southern border...California, Arizona, Texas, etc. and tell me then it's not an issue.

peacefrompaul

Good on him

chadwick

love him! that dude's the shit

peacefrompaul

chadwick wrote:

love him! that dude's the shit

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

No not at all. He wants to be an asshole complaining about how long he had to wait in line fine, I just find it ironic instead of just answering the question and moving along becasue he was "so busy" he chose to sit at the checkpoints and waste more time being an asshole. I don't think it's out of line for citizens to show proof of their citzenship in areas of high illegal immigration. As a matter of fact, I don't see a problem with it anywhere. I go to the movies I have a ticket. I leave and go to the concessions, I may have to show the ticket again for readmission. I just don't see the problem that some people are creating with this policy. :?

I don't agree that one should be randomly stopped and asked to prove citizenship...even in areas high illegal immigration...

and your ticket analogy does fit here....sorry...I don't by a ticket to drive on a public highway...

SO you don't agree with DWI checkpoints then?

"However, in a split decision, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the Michigan court. Although acknowledging that such roadblocks violate a fundamental constitutional right, Chief Justice Rehnquist argued that they are necessary in order to reduce drunk driving"

That is disappointing

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/drivin ... 63004.html

DS1119

peacefrompaul wrote:

SO you don't agree with DWI checkpoints then?

"However, in a split decision, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the Michigan court. Although acknowledging that such roadblocks violate a fundamental constitutional right, Chief Justice Rehnquist argued that they are necessary in order to reduce drunk driving"

That is disappointing

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/drivin ... 63004.html[/quote]


This isn't against you but as a political science major I really hate when modern issues try to get translated word for word by documents that were written hundreds of years ago. Like people arguing that you should be allowed to talk/text when driving because it's freedom of speech and all that blah blah blah. :fp:

Plain and simple for me. Road blocks aren't a bad thing. If you're doing nothing wrong, you have no worries. I guess the point of me posting the video was the irony that all the guy kept saying was how busy he is but yet instead of just saying yes I'm a US citizen and being on his way, he wanted to make up "his circus" and be a wiseass in the process.

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

This isn't against you but as a political science major I really hate when modern issues try to get translated word for word by documents that were written hundreds of years ago. Like people arguing that you should be allowed to talk/text when driving because it's freedom of speech and all that blah blah blah. :fp:

Plain and simple for me. Road blocks aren't a bad thing. If you're doing nothing wrong, you have no worries. I guess the point of me posting the video was the irony that all the guy kept saying was how busy he is but yet instead of just saying yes I'm a US citizen and being on his way, he wanted to make up "his circus" and be a wiseass in the process.

Yeah, except you can kill people when you text while you drive. It's inattentive and dangerous. So is drunk driving... Which is why they pull you over for it... They have the probable cause for it, they don't by forcing you to stop at a roadblock. It's also violating the 4th Amendment. You are being stopped without cause. Same for the illegal immigration case... Stopped without probable cause.

No worries, Dave! I respect your opinion

DS1119

peacefrompaul wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

This isn't against you but as a political science major I really hate when modern issues try to get translated word for word by documents that were written hundreds of years ago. Like people arguing that you should be allowed to talk/text when driving because it's freedom of speech and all that blah blah blah. :fp:

Plain and simple for me. Road blocks aren't a bad thing. If you're doing nothing wrong, you have no worries. I guess the point of me posting the video was the irony that all the guy kept saying was how busy he is but yet instead of just saying yes I'm a US citizen and being on his way, he wanted to make up "his circus" and be a wiseass in the process.

Yeah, except you can kill people when you text while you drive. It's inattentive and dangerous. So is drunk driving... Which is why they pull you over for it... They have the probable cause for it, they don't by forcing you to stop at a roadblock. It's also violating the 4th Amendment. You are being stopped without cause. Same for the illegal immigration case... Stopped without probable cause.

No worries, Dave! I respect your opinion

You can kill people by texting and walking too.

Its just the immigration thing for me is a real sore spot. I'm for everyone moving to this country. I think it's great. Just do it legally that's all. I'm also for exporting the illegals. This country has been much too lax with that and we're paying for it and have paid for it. It's time to contain it the best we can now and these checkpoints just seem to make sense. Car rolls up, and they caitch a pickup full of 8 people who are here illegally...how is this a bad thing? I've travelled to foreign countries and had to produce my passport at various times and had no problems with it becasue I was there legally. Should be no different here. Hell, everyone gets stopped before driving over the Hoover Dam but no one complains about that and those searches are a lot more obtrusive than answering one simple question? :fp: The whole "problem cause" thing gets really lost for me. They are road blocks that are set up and everyone travelling down that particuliar road have to pass through (typically roads that are heavily travelled by truck traffickers, criminals, illegals, etc.) They aren't going to random people's homes, busting in and searching. We're head deep in the problem and this seems to me to be a minor inconvenience to benefit the citizens that are here legally. I guess the alternative could be to build gigantic walls around the country and protect the boundaries with land mines and guards who are instructed to shoot first and ask questions later. Or accept the policies of some foreign nations and instead of being deported if found to be illegal you're just thrown in prison for however long they determine.

Back to the video though. The guy is just being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.

Drowned Out

I support what he did.
I don't think he kept saying he was busy because he really was super busy (or at least not ONLY because he was busy), I think he was proving a point. The whole thing was proving a point.
It wouldn't be a waste of time if every single person did what he did....because if they did, those roadblocks would not exist. If the traffic jams were 3 hrs instead of 20 minutes, there would be public outrage. (It would likely just force the govt to fight harder to pass laws justifying them, and the complacent public would shrug that off too...but I digress)....
If you strongly believe that these kinds of roadblocks shouldn't exist (as I, this guy, and many others do), then I think his was the only conscientious reaction to the situation. IMO, saying he shouldn't have done this because it's pointless or won't achieve anything only encourages political apathy, which I think most here would agree is a huge problem.
These losses of freedom and the laws eventually created to support and expand them are not just a concern for the issues of today (immigration), but for future situations, and the generations stuck with them. Something for those unhappy with others interpreting old laws and documents without modern context to keep in mind....esp when discussing expansion of police powers. Every inch given makes necessary and righteous future dissent that much more difficult. Why are we always so willing to accept this in order to 'fight' an issue? Problem, reaction, solution....There are more effective, existing ways to 'fight' your battles, if that is your goal. Reactionary measures like roadblocks only act to devolve our collective psyche in the direction of docile state subservience.
Power to him.

DS1119

Drowned Out wrote:

I support what he did.
I don't think he kept saying he was busy because he really was super busy (or at least not ONLY because he was busy), I think he was proving a point. The whole thing was proving a point.
It wouldn't be a waste of time if every single person did what he did....because if they did, those roadblocks would not exist. If the traffic jams were 3 hrs instead of 20 minutes, there would be public outrage. (It would likely just force the govt to fight harder to pass laws justifying them, and the complacent public would shrug that off too...but I digress)....
If you strongly believe that these kinds of roadblocks shouldn't exist (as I, this guy, and many others do), then I think his was the only conscientious reaction to the situation. IMO, saying he shouldn't have done this because it's pointless or won't achieve anything only encourages political apathy, which I think most here would agree is a huge problem.
These losses of freedom and the laws eventually created to support and expand them are not just a concern for the issues of today (immigration), but for future situations, and the generations stuck with them. Something for those unhappy with others interpreting old laws and documents without modern context to keep in mind....esp when discussing expansion of police powers. Every inch given makes necessary and righteous future dissent that much more difficult. Why are we always so willing to accept this in order to 'fight' an issue? Problem, reaction, solution....There are more effective, existing ways to 'fight' your battles, if that is your goal. Reactionary measures like roadblocks only act to devolve our collective psyche in the direction of docile state subservience.
Power to him.

I don't like stop signs and red lights. I think everyone should just run them out of protest. I don't like taxes either. Everyone should stop paying them and protest. I don't like renwewing my driver's license every eight years either. I'm not doing that anymore either and I hope many floow suit as well.:fp:

Reality is the problem of people being here in this country illegally is a real issue. What would be the reaction to this video if it was filmed by an illegal immigrant with this stance?

Drowned Out

DS1119 wrote:

I don't like stop signs and red lights. I think everyone should just run them out of protest. I don't like taxes either. Everyone should stop paying them and protest. I don't like renwewing my driver's license every eight years either. I'm not doing that anymore either and I hope many floow suit as well.:fp:

Reality is the problem of people being here in this country illegally is a real issue. What would be the reaction to this video if it was filmed by an illegal immigrant with this stance?

I don't really understand your question. It would make no difference to me.
None of your examples involves being essentially illegally detained (if even for a moment). Stop signs are a public safety issue. Taxes, well, if you can convince me your protest is legit, I've got your back over the government's...Driver's licenses serve a public safety function as well tho the fee could be considered a tax...so again, explain your beef and I'll consider backing it. none of these examples can contribute to racial profiling by people with the power to fuck up a life severely, and also set dangerous precedents for future abuse by police.
I'm curious...what happens if an hispanic American person goes thru one of these checkpoints as a passenger, if they own no govt issued ID to prove who they are? Are they held until they can prove citizenship, or let go? (genuinely, I'm not very familiar with this).

DS1119

Drowned Out wrote:

I'm curious...what happens if an hispanic American person goes thru one of these checkpoints as a passenger, if they own no govt issued ID to prove who they are? Are they held until they can prove citizenship, or let go? (genuinely, I'm not very familiar with this).

Illegally detained? Anytime I go to the capitol building here in Albany I need to show proper ID. Is this being illegally detained. This is the country we're talking about. And yes, if you're in the southern part of the States and happen to be of Hispanic descent, carry some ID. As for that fact, everyone should carry ID. There's no one that lives in the country, especially if you moved here legally, that doesn't have proof of citizneship. This is such a non issue it's unbelievable. Carry your ID and there's no issue. Answer the officer's question and there's no issue. :fp:

Drowned Out

DS1119 wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

I'm curious...what happens if an hispanic American person goes thru one of these checkpoints as a passenger, if they own no govt issued ID to prove who they are? Are they held until they can prove citizenship, or let go? (genuinely, I'm not very familiar with this).

Illegally detained? Anytime I go to the capitol building here in Albany I need to show proper ID. Is this being illegally detained. This is the country we're talking about. And yes, if you're in the southern part of the States and happen to be of Hispanic descent, carry some ID. As for that fact, everyone should carry ID. There's no one that lives in the country, especially if you moved here legally, that doesn't have proof of citizneship. This is such a non issue it's unbelievable. Carry your ID and there's no issue. Answer the officer's question and there's no issue. :fp:

Unless you're a hispanic citizen (even american born), who doesn't carry their papers at all times, then you have an issue...right? How is that equal rights?
Again....Going into a government building and showing ID could be argued to be another safety function (tho I'm not a big fan of that either).. Travelling from one place to another unimpeded is totally different.

If the police can't even make this guy answer the question, asking it obviously isnt legal....but we should answer anyway?
Hispanics should carry ID?
Everyone should? (well, southerners should anyway?)
I paraphrase you because you're stating belief, not law. In your opinion, this is how people should act.
do you remember this conversation?
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=150322&hilit=how+much+are+you+paying%3F&start=195

DS1119 wrote:

I live my life how I want within the laws. Perhaps its the one's who preach that are feeling the guilt and feel it necessary to try and direct others on how to act. Still it all comes down to the word SHOULD. I shouldn't do anything but pay my bills, take care of my friends and family, and enjoy life. If I CHOOSE to recycle, carpool, whatever...that's my choice. Having someone tell me I should have only one car...someone telling me I should carpool...someone telling me I should ride a bike...no.

Slightly out of context, but def relevent....illegal immigration is a big problem to you, the environment is to others. You carpool, you ride a bike, and the environment is a non-issue.....doesn't work like that, does it?....and I'm assuming these checkpoints lead to a lot of rights being trampled.
I won't keep harping on the future consequence angle....

inmytree

DS1119 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

if I'm not doing anything wrong, i.e. driving down the road and obeying all laws...I should be pestered by law enforcement...

Well unfortunately sometimes an individual will need to be "pestered" for the good of society and if answering a law officer's question about my citizenship when I'm in that particular country is considered being pestered than that's fine with me.

And about the illegal immingrant issue. Move along the southern border...California, Arizona, Texas, etc. and tell me then it's not an issue.

I'm glad you're ok with some pestering...I'm not......I know you see the roadblocks as benign, I don't...I think I should be able to move freely without being stopped...I guess that's a hard concept for some...

Jason P

I was at Kohl's the other day to buy some bluejeans and when I tried to pay with a credit card they asked for ID and I was like "Fuck you man! What is this? Nazi Germany???"

I was then offered to save 15% if I opened a Kohl's account.

:geek:

inmytree

Jason P wrote:

I was at Kohl's the other day to buy some bluejeans and when I tried to pay with a credit card they asked for ID and I was like "Fuck you man! What is this? Nazi Germany???"

I was then offered to save 15% if I opened a Kohl's account.

:geek:

you buy your jeans at Kohl's....??