If you really think showing an id when using a credit card is the same thing, then I don't know what to tell you. You obviously don't understand how a credit card works.
Some of these analogies are so silly. I actually wrote on my CC, "please see ID" in the signature field. Its for fraud and your protection. I senses a bit of sarcasm in Jason's post about this anyway.
The whole controversy surrounding this was that people were concerned that enforcement officers would target a particular way a person looked. But there's always people like this guy in the video that might just take it too far. When I see something like this, I just have to wonder, was he looking for a confrontation? It would appear that way since he had a camera rolling. I wonder if its illegal to tape law enforcement in his area.
Sure we are. That's what they did. They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.
I'm fine with doing this at the border (duh?) but just wherever they want? That is bullshit. I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedoms for security against illegal immigrants.
If you really think showing an id when using a credit card is the same thing, then I don't know what to tell you. You obviously don't understand how a credit card works.
I'm 38 and I can't even remember the last time I had to show ID for a credit card. I show ID everytime I buy booze though.
This is such a non fucking issue it's ridiculous. Whiny ass bleeding heart Americans making a big deal out of nothing IMHO. Pull up to the checkpoint...answer the question...and be on your way. Jesus CHrist?? :fp: We want kids to show ID at a fucking movie theater to make sure they can see an R rated movie but answering a fucking question about your citizenship is a big fucking deal?
I can see Mr and Mrs American meeting at home after work and talking over dinner...
"How was your day"?
"I had to tell a government official today I was a US citizen".
They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.
Watch the beginning again. He was asked if he was a US citizen. He was not asked to provide ID.
But why? You can't tell me reasonable suspicion. It's just bs.
Oh yeah. Good post. I forgot about the one near Lake Placid that when every time I go to Canada I'm stopped on my way back to Albany. Probably 80 miles or so from the Canadian border but these no one cares about. They must be targeting illegal Canadians at this one.
They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.
Watch the beginning again. He was asked if he was a US citizen. He was not asked to provide ID.
But why? You can't tell me reasonable suspicion. It's just bs.
Well the first clue would be if the officer asks him a question and no matter what border...language it is...if the person can't answer in English...that may be a clue.
Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.
Watch the beginning again. He was asked if he was a US citizen. He was not asked to provide ID.
But why? You can't tell me reasonable suspicion. It's just bs.
Why was he asked? I don't know. I assume that this is one of the tactical checkpoints the wiki page addressed that see lower traffic and are not permanent. They may ask everyone.
When I lived in San Diego, they had permanent checkpoints on the major corridors leading north. They were located in underpopulated areas so traffic never jammed up, at least in my experience. At those checkpoints you just roll through at about 15 MPH while someone eyes you over. You usually get waved through or directed off to the side.
They must have certain tells they are looking for. It can't be just because you look hispanic, otherwise thousands of cars would be lined up for inspection at all times.
Also, when entering Cali, they check you for fruits and vegetables at checkpoints.
Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
:roll:
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Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
:roll:
:roll: Umm, yeah? So you think the guy in the video accomplished something by asking the officers if this was nazi Germany?
What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
I wouldnt compare it to anything. My point is, the guy is over dramatizing and looking for confrontation. He wanted to piss off the officers and get it on tape.
What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
The FAA, perhaps?
At least until the border patrol starts making people where the mexican flag around their bicep and starts tattooing serial numbers on forearms, perhaps it may be just a tad insulting to those that experienced the most evil cult the world has ever known.
My point is, the guy is over dramatizing and looking for confrontation. He wanted to piss off the officers and get it on tape.
All he did was accomplish what he clearly didn't want to do with his "protest video". He doesn't want government interaction obviously with his day to day life...well I'm sure he has it now. You are now in the system buddy!
What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
The FAA, perhaps?
At least until the border patrol starts making people where the mexican flag around their bicep and starts tattooing serial numbers on forearms, perhaps it may be just a tad insulting to those that experienced the most evil cult the world has ever known.
Hmmm, i guess my fear is that this is just the first step and once it become common place, then they up the ante( ante, is that how it's spelled?) and become more invasive.
Which is why the Nazi's are a bad example, but it's more about the fear of unchecked authority.
The way I view it is it's not unchecked authority. There's an issue with illegals in this country. Not only economic, but criminal as well. This is a reactive and proactive move by he government to help stop this. If we didn't have illegal immigrants sneaking into the country these checkpoints would never exist. Unfortunately they do now. That's where we are. Times change.
Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
:roll:
:roll: Umm, yeah? So you think the guy in the video accomplished something by asking the officers if this was nazi Germany?
What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
I wouldnt compare it to anything. My point is, the guy is over dramatizing and looking for confrontation. He wanted to piss off the officers and get it on tape.
Yeah e was. I was rolling my eyes at the part about offending the families from the holocaust.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Sure we are. That's what they did. They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.
I'm fine with doing this at the border (duh?) but just wherever they want? That is bullshit. I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedoms for security against illegal immigrants.
If you really think showing an id when using a credit card is the same thing, then I don't know what to tell you. You obviously don't understand how a credit card works.
I'm 38 and I can't even remember the last time I had to show ID for a credit card. I show ID everytime I buy booze though.
This is such a non fucking issue it's ridiculous. Whiny ass bleeding heart Americans making a big deal out of nothing IMHO. Pull up to the checkpoint...answer the question...and be on your way. Jesus CHrist?? :fp: We want kids to show ID at a fucking movie theater to make sure they can see an R rated movie but answering a fucking question about your citizenship is a big fucking deal?
I can see Mr and Mrs American meeting at home after work and talking over dinner...
"How was your day"?
"I had to tell a government official today I was a US citizen".
"Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?
:fp:
movie theaters :corn: ...really...?
I love you keep attempting to use random examples to attempt to prove your point...
and for whining...I'd say you've been whining throughout this thread...we get it, you're scared of immigrants...no need to get upset because some don't agree with you....
I love you keep attempting to use random examples to attempt to prove your point...
and for whining...I'd say you've been whining throughout this thread...we get it, you're scared of immigrants...no need to get upset because some don't agree with you....
Whining? You're just being silly now. Also, I'm not scared of immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants from both sides. Pretty much everyone that lives in this country are immigrnats or descendants of immigrants. What I don't want are people here illegally and if this method helps catch those fuckers, then great. Get them the hell out of the country. File your paperwork and do it legally. Become a citizen and pay your taxes. If random checkpoints along known drug and illegal immigrant pathways does this so be it.
I love you keep attempting to use random examples to attempt to prove your point...
and for whining...I'd say you've been whining throughout this thread...we get it, you're scared of immigrants...no need to get upset because some don't agree with you....
Whining? You're just being silly now. Also, I'm not scared of immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants from both sides. Pretty much everyone that lives in this country are immigrnats or descendants of immigrants. What I don't want are people here illegally and if this method helps catch those fuckers, then great. Get them the hell out of the country. File your paperwork and do it legally. Become a citizen and pay your taxes. If random checkpoints along known drug and illegal immigrant pathways does this so be it.
I'm fine with that Dave, but, when it pisses on the 4th, it bugs me.
are you ok with the stop and frisk laws in NYC and other major cities?
Being stopped at random checkpoints along known drug and illegal immigrant trafficking corridors and asked your citizenship is far from this.
nope, it is the same thing
Stopping people and searching their person in high crime areas just to check if they are doing anything wrong.
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First World Problems, also known as “White Whine,” are frustrations and complaints that are only experienced by privileged individuals in wealthy countries.
First World Problems, also known as “White Whine,” are frustrations and complaints that are only experienced by privileged individuals in wealthy countries.
INteresting, considering if you are white all you have to say is "yes" and they pass you through...I wonder if you are Hispanic? Is "yes" enough?
And, if saying "yes" is enough, what's the point anyhow?
Waste of time and $. We don't need to give up our freedoms in order to have security. What's next?
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Some of these analogies are so silly. I actually wrote on my CC, "please see ID" in the signature field. Its for fraud and your protection. I senses a bit of sarcasm in Jason's post about this anyway.
The whole controversy surrounding this was that people were concerned that enforcement officers would target a particular way a person looked. But there's always people like this guy in the video that might just take it too far. When I see something like this, I just have to wonder, was he looking for a confrontation? It would appear that way since he had a camera rolling. I wonder if its illegal to tape law enforcement in his area.
I'm 38 and I can't even remember the last time I had to show ID for a credit card. I show ID everytime I buy booze though.
This is such a non fucking issue it's ridiculous. Whiny ass bleeding heart Americans making a big deal out of nothing IMHO. Pull up to the checkpoint...answer the question...and be on your way. Jesus CHrist?? :fp: We want kids to show ID at a fucking movie theater to make sure they can see an R rated movie but answering a fucking question about your citizenship is a big fucking deal?
I can see Mr and Mrs American meeting at home after work and talking over dinner...
"How was your day"?
"I had to tell a government official today I was a US citizen".
"Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?
:fp:
But why? You can't tell me reasonable suspicion. It's just bs.
Oh yeah. Good post. I forgot about the one near Lake Placid that when every time I go to Canada I'm stopped on my way back to Albany. Probably 80 miles or so from the Canadian border but these no one cares about.
Well the first clue would be if the officer asks him a question and no matter what border...language it is...if the person can't answer in English...that may be a clue.
Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
When I lived in San Diego, they had permanent checkpoints on the major corridors leading north. They were located in underpopulated areas so traffic never jammed up, at least in my experience. At those checkpoints you just roll through at about 15 MPH while someone eyes you over. You usually get waved through or directed off to the side.
They must have certain tells they are looking for. It can't be just because you look hispanic, otherwise thousands of cars would be lined up for inspection at all times.
Also, when entering Cali, they check you for fruits and vegetables at checkpoints.
What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
Fruits and vegetables? Where's that constitution...doesn't it say something in there about the right to bear apples?
:roll: Umm, yeah? So you think the guy in the video accomplished something by asking the officers if this was nazi Germany?
I wouldnt compare it to anything. My point is, the guy is over dramatizing and looking for confrontation. He wanted to piss off the officers and get it on tape.
At least until the border patrol starts making people where the mexican flag around their bicep and starts tattooing serial numbers on forearms, perhaps it may be just a tad insulting to those that experienced the most evil cult the world has ever known.
All he did was accomplish what he clearly didn't want to do with his "protest video". He doesn't want government interaction obviously with his day to day life...well I'm sure he has it now.
Hmmm, i guess my fear is that this is just the first step and once it become common place, then they up the ante( ante, is that how it's spelled?) and become more invasive.
The border patrol started in 1924 ... four years after the Nazi party.
Which is why the Nazi's are a bad example, but it's more about the fear of unchecked authority.
The way I view it is it's not unchecked authority. There's an issue with illegals in this country. Not only economic, but criminal as well. This is a reactive and proactive move by he government to help stop this. If we didn't have illegal immigrants sneaking into the country these checkpoints would never exist. Unfortunately they do now. That's where we are. Times change.
Carry on
(good read all around, by the way)
movie theaters :corn: ...really...?
I love you keep attempting to use random examples to attempt to prove your point...
and for whining...I'd say you've been whining throughout this thread...we get it, you're scared of immigrants...no need to get upset because some don't agree with you....
Whining?
I'm fine with that Dave, but, when it pisses on the 4th, it bugs me.
nope, it is the same thing
Stopping people and searching their person in high crime areas just to check if they are doing anything wrong.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
INteresting, considering if you are white all you have to say is "yes" and they pass you through...I wonder if you are Hispanic? Is "yes" enough?
And, if saying "yes" is enough, what's the point anyhow?
Waste of time and $. We don't need to give up our freedoms in order to have security. What's next?
If there is reasonable suspicion or you violate the law (speeding, etc) sure, stop them, ask people for their cards/paperwork.