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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    cincybearcat wrote:
    If you really think showing an id when using a credit card is the same thing, then I don't know what to tell you. You obviously don't understand how a credit card works.

    Some of these analogies are so silly. I actually wrote on my CC, "please see ID" in the signature field. Its for fraud and your protection. I senses a bit of sarcasm in Jason's post about this anyway.

    The whole controversy surrounding this was that people were concerned that enforcement officers would target a particular way a person looked. But there's always people like this guy in the video that might just take it too far. When I see something like this, I just have to wonder, was he looking for a confrontation? It would appear that way since he had a camera rolling. I wonder if its illegal to tape law enforcement in his area.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    cincybearcat wrote:


    Sure we are. That's what they did. They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.

    I'm fine with doing this at the border (duh?) but just wherever they want? That is bullshit. I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedoms for security against illegal immigrants.

    If you really think showing an id when using a credit card is the same thing, then I don't know what to tell you. You obviously don't understand how a credit card works.

    I'm 38 and I can't even remember the last time I had to show ID for a credit card. I show ID everytime I buy booze though.

    This is such a non fucking issue it's ridiculous. Whiny ass bleeding heart Americans making a big deal out of nothing IMHO. Pull up to the checkpoint...answer the question...and be on your way. Jesus CHrist?? :fp: We want kids to show ID at a fucking movie theater to make sure they can see an R rated movie but answering a fucking question about your citizenship is a big fucking deal?

    I can see Mr and Mrs American meeting at home after work and talking over dinner...

    "How was your day"?

    "I had to tell a government official today I was a US citizen".

    "Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?

    :fp:
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,882
    Jason P wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.
    Watch the beginning again. He was asked if he was a US citizen. He was not asked to provide ID.

    But why? You can't tell me reasonable suspicion. It's just bs.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Jason P wrote:
    If you want to avoid the checkpoints, here is where they are:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Border_Patrol_Interior_Checkpoints

    Oh yeah. Good post. I forgot about the one near Lake Placid that when every time I go to Canada I'm stopped on my way back to Albany. Probably 80 miles or so from the Canadian border but these no one cares about. :lol: They must be targeting illegal Canadians at this one. :lol::lol:
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.
    Watch the beginning again. He was asked if he was a US citizen. He was not asked to provide ID.

    But why? You can't tell me reasonable suspicion. It's just bs.


    Well the first clue would be if the officer asks him a question and no matter what border...language it is...if the person can't answer in English...that may be a clue.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    DS1119 wrote:
    "Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?

    :fp:

    Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.
    Watch the beginning again. He was asked if he was a US citizen. He was not asked to provide ID.

    But why? You can't tell me reasonable suspicion. It's just bs.
    Why was he asked? I don't know. I assume that this is one of the tactical checkpoints the wiki page addressed that see lower traffic and are not permanent. They may ask everyone.

    When I lived in San Diego, they had permanent checkpoints on the major corridors leading north. They were located in underpopulated areas so traffic never jammed up, at least in my experience. At those checkpoints you just roll through at about 15 MPH while someone eyes you over. You usually get waved through or directed off to the side.

    They must have certain tells they are looking for. It can't be just because you look hispanic, otherwise thousands of cars would be lined up for inspection at all times.

    Also, when entering Cali, they check you for fruits and vegetables at checkpoints. :o
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,766
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    "Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?

    :fp:

    Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
    :roll:
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    "Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?

    :fp:

    Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.


    What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Jason P wrote:

    Also, when entering Cali, they check you for fruits and vegetables at checkpoints. :o


    Fruits and vegetables? Where's that constitution...doesn't it say something in there about the right to bear apples? :lol:
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    "Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?

    :fp:

    Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.
    :roll:

    :roll: Umm, yeah? So you think the guy in the video accomplished something by asking the officers if this was nazi Germany?
    BinauralJam wrote:
    What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?

    I wouldnt compare it to anything. My point is, the guy is over dramatizing and looking for confrontation. He wanted to piss off the officers and get it on tape.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    BinauralJam wrote:
    What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
    The FAA, perhaps?

    At least until the border patrol starts making people where the mexican flag around their bicep and starts tattooing serial numbers on forearms, perhaps it may be just a tad insulting to those that experienced the most evil cult the world has ever known.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    My point is, the guy is over dramatizing and looking for confrontation. He wanted to piss off the officers and get it on tape.


    All he did was accomplish what he clearly didn't want to do with his "protest video". He doesn't want government interaction obviously with his day to day life...well I'm sure he has it now. :lol: You are now in the system buddy! :lol:
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    DS1119 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:

    Also, when entering Cali, they check you for fruits and vegetables at checkpoints. :o


    Fruits and vegetables? Where's that constitution...doesn't it say something in there about the right to bear apples? :lol:
    I'm sure there is a good chance that "bear the fruit of thy nation" is somewhere in there. :lol:
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Jason P wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?
    The FAA, perhaps?

    At least until the border patrol starts making people where the mexican flag around their bicep and starts tattooing serial numbers on forearms, perhaps it may be just a tad insulting to those that experienced the most evil cult the world has ever known.



    Hmmm, i guess my fear is that this is just the first step and once it become common place, then they up the ante( ante, is that how it's spelled?) and become more invasive.
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I mean Nazi's didn't just pop up over night, they evolved into what they became.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    BinauralJam wrote:
    I mean Nazi's didn't just pop up over night, they evolved into what they became.
    Relatively speaking, the Nazis did pop up overnight. The Nazis formed in 1920 and 19 years later WW2 started.

    The border patrol started in 1924 ... four years after the Nazi party.
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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Jason P wrote:
    BinauralJam wrote:
    I mean Nazi's didn't just pop up over night, they evolved into what they became.
    Relatively speaking, the Nazis did pop up overnight. The Nazis formed in 1920 and 19 years later WW2 started.

    The border patrol started in 1924 ... four years after the Nazi party.


    Which is why the Nazi's are a bad example, but it's more about the fear of unchecked authority.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Which is why the Nazi's are a bad example, but it's more about the fear of unchecked authority.
    In that case, he should have yelled, "What is this? Message Board Posting Guidelines????"

    :mrgreen:
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    BinauralJam wrote:


    Which is why the Nazi's are a bad example, but it's more about the fear of unchecked authority.


    The way I view it is it's not unchecked authority. There's an issue with illegals in this country. Not only economic, but criminal as well. This is a reactive and proactive move by he government to help stop this. If we didn't have illegal immigrants sneaking into the country these checkpoints would never exist. Unfortunately they do now. That's where we are. Times change.
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