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hedonist

Jason P wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Which is why the Nazi's are a bad example, but it's more about the fear of unchecked authority.

In that case, he should have yelled, "What is this? Message Board Posting Guidelines????"

You're on a roll in this thread!

Carry on

(good read all around, by the way)

BinauralJam

Jason P wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Which is why the Nazi's are a bad example, but it's more about the fear of unchecked authority.

In that case, he should have yelled, "What is this? Message Board Posting Guidelines????"

PJ_Soul

JonnyPistachio wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Yeah, didnt the guy in the video say that too? There's better ways to prove a point...bringing up nazi Germany is fucking stupid, and I suspect a little offensive to some families that lived through it.

:roll:

:roll: Umm, yeah? So you think the guy in the video accomplished something by asking the officers if this was nazi Germany?

BinauralJam wrote:

What would you compare it to? If Nazi Germany is over the top, what's a better way to make this point?

I wouldnt compare it to anything. My point is, the guy is over dramatizing and looking for confrontation. He wanted to piss off the officers and get it on tape.

Yeah e was. I was rolling my eyes at the part about offending the families from the holocaust.

inmytree

DS1119 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Sure we are. That's what they did. They stopped people in cars going about their business to ask them for identification. That's exactly like stopping you on the street and doing it as well.

I'm fine with doing this at the border (duh?) but just wherever they want? That is bullshit. I'm not willing to sacrifice my freedoms for security against illegal immigrants.

If you really think showing an id when using a credit card is the same thing, then I don't know what to tell you. You obviously don't understand how a credit card works.

I'm 38 and I can't even remember the last time I had to show ID for a credit card. I show ID everytime I buy booze though.

This is such a non fucking issue it's ridiculous. Whiny ass bleeding heart Americans making a big deal out of nothing IMHO. Pull up to the checkpoint...answer the question...and be on your way. Jesus CHrist?? :fp: We want kids to show ID at a fucking movie theater to make sure they can see an R rated movie but answering a fucking question about your citizenship is a big fucking deal?

I can see Mr and Mrs American meeting at home after work and talking over dinner...

"How was your day"?

"I had to tell a government official today I was a US citizen".

"Oh you poor thing...what is this nazi germany"?

:fp:

movie theaters :corn: ...really...?

I love you keep attempting to use random examples to attempt to prove your point...

and for whining...I'd say you've been whining throughout this thread...we get it, you're scared of immigrants...no need to get upset because some don't agree with you....

DS1119

inmytree wrote:

movie theaters :corn: ...really...?

I love you keep attempting to use random examples to attempt to prove your point...

and for whining...I'd say you've been whining throughout this thread...we get it, you're scared of immigrants...no need to get upset because some don't agree with you....

Whining? You're just being silly now. Also, I'm not scared of immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants from both sides. Pretty much everyone that lives in this country are immigrnats or descendants of immigrants. What I don't want are people here illegally and if this method helps catch those fuckers, then great. Get them the hell out of the country. File your paperwork and do it legally. Become a citizen and pay your taxes. If random checkpoints along known drug and illegal immigrant pathways does this so be it.

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

movie theaters :corn: ...really...?

I love you keep attempting to use random examples to attempt to prove your point...

and for whining...I'd say you've been whining throughout this thread...we get it, you're scared of immigrants...no need to get upset because some don't agree with you....

Whining? You're just being silly now. Also, I'm not scared of immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants from both sides. Pretty much everyone that lives in this country are immigrnats or descendants of immigrants. What I don't want are people here illegally and if this method helps catch those fuckers, then great. Get them the hell out of the country. File your paperwork and do it legally. Become a citizen and pay your taxes. If random checkpoints along known drug and illegal immigrant pathways does this so be it.

I'm fine with that Dave, but, when it pisses on the 4th, it bugs me.

mikepegg44

DS1119 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

are you ok with the stop and frisk laws in NYC and other major cities?

Being stopped at random checkpoints along known drug and illegal immigrant trafficking corridors and asked your citizenship is far from this.

nope, it is the same thing

Stopping people and searching their person in high crime areas just to check if they are doing anything wrong.

mydogmookieblaylock

First World Problems, also known as “White Whine,” are frustrations and complaints that are only experienced by privileged individuals in wealthy countries.

cincybearcat

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

First World Problems, also known as “White Whine,” are frustrations and complaints that are only experienced by privileged individuals in wealthy countries.

INteresting, considering if you are white all you have to say is "yes" and they pass you through...I wonder if you are Hispanic? Is "yes" enough?

And, if saying "yes" is enough, what's the point anyhow?

Waste of time and $. We don't need to give up our freedoms in order to have security. What's next?

cincybearcat

By the way, I'm also against DUI checkpoints, etc. Same thing. I'm also against cops stopping cars for no reason and then checking insurance, etc.

If there is reasonable suspicion or you violate the law (speeding, etc) sure, stop them, ask people for their cards/paperwork.

inmytree

cincybearcat wrote:

By the way, I'm also against DUI checkpoints, etc. Same thing. I'm also against cops stopping cars for no reason and then checking insurance, etc.

If there is reasonable suspicion or you violate the law (speeding, etc) sure, stop them, ask people for their cards/paperwork.

exactly... :!:

DS1119

Give up our freedoms? Well, it's already too late for you anyhow. The checkpoints are already set up. You don't want to answer a simple question then avoid the checkpoints. There's your freedom for you.

cincybearcat

DS1119 wrote:

Give up our freedoms? Well, it's already too late for you anyhow. The checkpoints are already set up. You don't want to answer a simple question then avoid the checkpoints. There's your freedom for you.

It's all fun and games until someday you are driving, get stopped for no reason, they check your insurance card and while you have insurance you still have the old card in your wallet and you get a ticket for not having insurance.

These measures are not about protecting people at all. If they were, simply asking someone if they are a citizen would certainly not be enough. What a waste of time and money.

They don't have the right to stop someone for no reason. I'll drive where I want and I will likely answer them similar to this person, minus the nazi comparison.

What will you give up next for your security? How about a random house search asking everyone in the house if they are citizens? How about coming up to your table at a restaurant and asking? How about they ask your kid everyday on the way into school? What's the purpose anyhow? What's the success rate? Not only is a violation of our individual rights, but it is a horribly inefficient way to try and combat any crime.

JonnyPistachio

cincybearcat wrote:

What's the purpose anyhow? What's the success rate? Not only is a violation of our individual rights, but it is a horribly inefficient way to try and combat any crime.

I dont agree with the way the guy did it in the video, but I have to agree with you here and say that for the amount of time and work these checkpoints take, I doubt much good comes out of it. Just a hunch though.

DS1119

cincybearcat wrote:

It's all fun and games until someday you are driving, get stopped for no reason, they check your insurance card and while you have insurance you still have the old card in your wallet and you get a ticket for not having insurance.

These measures are not about protecting people at all. If they were, simply asking someone if they are a citizen would certainly not be enough. What a waste of time and money.

They don't have the right to stop someone for no reason. I'll drive where I want and I will likely answer them similar to this person, minus the nazi comparison.

What will you give up next for your security? How about a random house search asking everyone in the house if they are citizens? How about coming up to your table at a restaurant and asking? How about they ask your kid everyday on the way into school? What's the purpose anyhow? What's the success rate? Not only is a violation of our individual rights, but it is a horribly inefficient way to try and combat any crime.

Waste of time and money? You really have no idea about this at all. The checkpoints are primarily put up in major drug trafficking and illegal immigrant trafficking pipelines coming from Mexico. You really think a van full of 17 illegal immigrants are going to try and drive a highway from Mexico to Phoenix knowing they will have to pass through a few checkpoints? What happens is they go into the desert where we have the technology to track and hopefully catch them. Police are already on patrol...how is this a waste of time and money?

I love how in this country people bitch about jobs leaving the country...illegal immigrants are taking our jobs...but when the government does something they hide behind the constituion. Sorry guys, this is a problem and you may have to answer a police officers question or show ID in highly active areas...oh my god the fucking horror of it!!!! :fp:

This is such a joke discussion at this point. It really is. You talk about the government wasting time and money. Here's another point. How would you rather them spend the time and money to catch the illegals that are here? Would you rather have them set up relatively low cost checkpoints or conduct lengthy and costly investigations on anyone suspected?

DS1119

JonnyPistachio wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

What's the purpose anyhow? What's the success rate? Not only is a violation of our individual rights, but it is a horribly inefficient way to try and combat any crime.

I dont agree with the way the guy did it in the video, but I have to agree with you here and say that for the amount of time and work these checkpoints take, I doubt much good comes out of it. Just a hunch though.

Just remember, where these checkpoints are set up it's not like the east coast where there are hundreds of routes to get where you're going. These are primarily on roads where it's pretty much the only way to get where you want to go or you can hike it out in the desert.

cincybearcat

DS1119 wrote:

Waste of time and money? You really have no idea about this at all.

Now instead of wondering if this guy was over the top, I'm wondering why you discuss topics by making really dumbass statements.


Obviously you are the only one that is allowed to have an opinion here. Enjoying being scared of "illegals" and giving up your rights.

DS1119

cincybearcat wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Waste of time and money? You really have no idea about this at all.

Now instead of wondering if this guy was over the top, I'm wondering why you discuss topics by making really dumbass statements.


Obviously you are the only one that is allowed to have an opinion here. Enjoying being scared of "illegals" and giving up your rights.

Giving up my rights? :fp: Answering a law enforcement officer's question in high areas of criminial activity. Oh my...the horror!!! Hope you don't buy any alcohol tonight...you may have to show ID. Just whip out a copy of the constitution instead.

cincybearcat

DS1119 wrote:

Giving up my rights? :fp: Answering a law enforcement officer's question in high areas of criminial activity. Oh my...the horror!!! Hope you don't buy any alcohol tonight...you may have to show ID. Just whip out a copy of the constitution instead.

:fp: :fp: :nono: ::nono: :geek: :corn: :corn: :x :x :geek: :ugeek: :?: :shock:

Good comparison.

mikepegg44

DS1119 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Waste of time and money? You really have no idea about this at all.

Now instead of wondering if this guy was over the top, I'm wondering why you discuss topics by making really dumbass statements.


Obviously you are the only one that is allowed to have an opinion here. Enjoying being scared of "illegals" and giving up your rights.

Giving up my rights? :fp: Answering a law enforcement officer's question in high areas of criminial activity. Oh my...the horror!!! Hope you don't buy any alcohol tonight...you may have to show ID. Just whip out a copy of the constitution instead.

No one gives a shit about illegal search and seizure rights until it happens to them, then it is all "this is a travesty...this is ridiculous..."

fuck that constitution, I trust the gov't to always do what is good and just, how freeing it is to say that...

If you want to live in an ever growing police state continue supporting the representatives and senators at the state and federal level that would like nothing more than to turn it into one...for your safety of course...

The only analogy that really fits is police officers stopping people in high crime areas and asking them to show id and frisking them...are you ok with this happening as well? Those are the same things...buying alcohol at a private business that is required to sell to people older than 21 is vastly different than setting up road blocks to check to see if all drivers are criminals or not.
You are probably someone who calls proving that someone's rights were violated during arrest/investigation/trials as getting a criminal off on a technicality...Now I know that is making an assumption about you, but judging from your obvious disdain for constitutional review and adherence, I think it is a safe one.

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