TheWorld Wide Web is a reflection of ourselves, we make it what it is, You want to change the Web and make it 'kinder', we start by fixing ourselves, and in turn the Web will reflect that.
Not by silly laws that does nothing to remedy the issues of the heart where the disease is. You can't 'force' people to be good, it has the complete opposite effect when you 'force' it.
In the same way, you can't really make someone love you, I mean you can buy them things, lie to them to make them think you have things in common, then maybe even end up getting married, but in reality, it's not real. It's a lie.
It's trickery, an illusion, It is TheMatrix! You want to be in the Matrix Pandora? Go Take the blue pill ('g under p' got me thinking about that movie right now with his post )
I think some people will not learn by example. Some people need laws to show them
what good behavior is.
I speak of love always and believe in the power. I also believe in the opposite power.
And it is this that which lurks in anonymity. Just as it lurks in crime of opportunity.
How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Think of the web as that dark road at night ...
The Taliban has many laws that show people how to behave properly.
Witch hunts can result from no right to anonymity too.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Think of the web as that dark road at night ...
Wow... as the thread moves along, posts get more and more dramatic. First, no criminal commits a crime KNOWING he/she won't get caught. They may think so or hope so...
Then, let me add to the melodrama....
Say this woman posted something online and, following the 'rules' of the bill, had to give her full name and address. For some reason, another person 'takes notice' of her. He does his research, stalks her and REALLY takes a shine to her. Finds a way to mess with her car and follows her until the car breaks down and he can 'do the deed'. Far fetched? Of course it is but we are talking about extreme melodramatic situations, aren't we? Well you seem to. 'The web as that dark road at night.....". With statements like that, I' m not surprised at your paranoia about this.
But is it really THAT far fetched? After all, this woman completely exposed herself to this kind of stalking with the info she had to give online, for all to see. Food for thought.
How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Think of the web as that dark road at night ...
Wow... as the thread moves along, posts get more and more dramatic. First, no criminal commits a crime KNOWING he/she won't get caught. They may think so or hope so...
Then, let me add to the melodrama....
Say this woman posted something online and, following the 'rules' of the bill, had to give her full name and address. For some reason, another person 'takes notice' of her. He does his research, stalks her and REALLY takes a shine to her. Finds a way to mess with her car and follows her until the car breaks down and he can 'do the deed'. Far fetched? Of course it is but we are talking about extreme melodramatic situations, aren't we? Well you seem to. 'The web like the dark road at night....."
But is it really THAT far fetched? After all, this woman completely exposed herself to this kind of stalking with the info she had to give online, for all to see. Food for thought.
It's not that far-fetched - it's happened many many times already.
Maybe you don't appreciate, Pandora, how many cuckoo-bananas people there are out there. Example: people on Craigslist get robbed and have even been murdered because some rotten person managed to get their personal info online. I'd also be curious to know how you figure any of us would be protected from corporations getting our info for targeted marketing and market research, or from websites selling our info to spammers. Because that's what they do now with the info we currently choose to give up online. Making it MORE available to the world seems like a pretty shitty idea!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I will believe that the web can be something much better than what it is today.
A kinder gentler world wide web.
TheWorld Wide Web is a reflection of ourselves, we make it what it is, You want to change the Web and make it 'kinder', we start by fixing ourselves, and in turn the Web will reflect that.
Not by silly laws that does nothing to remedy the issues of the heart where the disease is. You can't 'force' people to be good, it has the complete opposite effect when you 'force' it.
In the same way, you can't really make someone love you, I mean you can buy them things, lie to them to make them think you have things in common, then maybe even end up getting married, but in reality, it's not real. It's a lie.
It's trickery, an illusion, It is TheMatrix! You want to be in the Matrix Pandora? Go Take the blue pill ('g under p' got me thinking about that movie right now with his post )
How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Think of the web as that dark road at night ...
Wow... as the thread moves along, posts get more and more dramatic. First, no criminal commits a crime KNOWING he/she won't get caught. They may think so or hope so...
Then, let me add to the melodrama....
Say this woman posted something online and, following the 'rules' of the bill, had to give her full name and address. For some reason, another person 'takes notice' of her. He does his research, stalks her and REALLY takes a shine to her. Finds a way to mess with her car and follows her until the car breaks down and he can 'do the deed'. Far fetched? Of course it is but we are talking about extreme melodramatic situations, aren't we? Well you seem to. 'The web as that dark road at night.....". With statements like that, I' m not surprised at your paranoia about this.
But is it really THAT far fetched? After all, this woman completely exposed herself to this kind of stalking with the info she had to give online, for all to see. Food for thought.
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And more melodrama... what about those site where kids will gather... like Justin Beiber Fan Sites. They need to reveal their names and addresses, too?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Think of the web as that dark road at night ...
Wow... as the thread moves along, posts get more and more dramatic. First, no criminal commits a crime KNOWING he/she won't get caught. They may think so or hope so...
Then, let me add to the melodrama....
Say this woman posted something online and, following the 'rules' of the bill, had to give her full name and address. For some reason, another person 'takes notice' of her. He does his research, stalks her and REALLY takes a shine to her. Finds a way to mess with her car and follows her until the car breaks down and he can 'do the deed'. Far fetched? Of course it is but we are talking about extreme melodramatic situations, aren't we? Well you seem to. 'The web as that dark road at night.....". With statements like that, I' m not surprised at your paranoia about this.
But is it really THAT far fetched? After all, this woman completely exposed herself to this kind of stalking with the info she had to give online, for all to see. Food for thought.
...
And more melodrama... what about those site where kids will gather... like Justin Beiber Fan Sites. They need to reveal their names and addresses, too?
Yes, if the law passes, every pedophile will be able to get the home addresses of young Beiber fans.
It's not that far-fetched - it's happened many many times already.
Maybe you don't appreciate, Pandora, how many cuckoo-bananas people there are out there. Example: people on Craigslist get robbed and have even been murdered because some rotten person managed to get their personal info online. I'd also be curious to know how you figure any of us would be protected from corporations getting our info for targeted marketing and market research, or from websites selling our info to spammers. Because that's what they do now with the info we currently choose to give up online. Making it MORE available to the world seems like a pretty shitty idea!
Well, I'll go with the fact that if everyone is transparent it's pretty hard to victimize.
Picture the car again, the registered car and license with only one driver.
If anything this will make it much harder to get anyone's info in the eventual place I see the
internet going.
Is this the first proposal by one state? It is a long road before the web can get
to that much better place but I believe it will.
Oh and your words... " I wish I had rainbows and lollipops coming out of my ass too!!"
keep wishing miracles they do happen
It's not that far-fetched - it's happened many many times already.
Maybe you don't appreciate, Pandora, how many cuckoo-bananas people there are out there. Example: people on Craigslist get robbed and have even been murdered because some rotten person managed to get their personal info online. I'd also be curious to know how you figure any of us would be protected from corporations getting our info for targeted marketing and market research, or from websites selling our info to spammers. Because that's what they do now with the info we currently choose to give up online. Making it MORE available to the world seems like a pretty shitty idea!
Well, I'll go with the fact that if everyone is transparent it's pretty hard to victimize.
Picture the car again, the registered car and license with only one driver.
If anything this will make it much harder to get anyone's info in the eventual place I see the
internet going.
Is this the first proposal by one state? It is a long road before the web can get
to that much better place but I believe it will.
Oh and your words... " I wish I had rainbows and lollipops coming out of my ass too!!"
keep wishing miracles they do happen
There is no way to ensure that everyone will be transparent.
It's not that far-fetched - it's happened many many times already.
Maybe you don't appreciate, Pandora, how many cuckoo-bananas people there are out there. Example: people on Craigslist get robbed and have even been murdered because some rotten person managed to get their personal info online. I'd also be curious to know how you figure any of us would be protected from corporations getting our info for targeted marketing and market research, or from websites selling our info to spammers. Because that's what they do now with the info we currently choose to give up online. Making it MORE available to the world seems like a pretty shitty idea!
Well, I'll go with the fact that if everyone is transparent it's pretty hard to victimize.
Picture the car again, the registered car and license with only one driver.
If anything this will make it much harder to get anyone's info in the eventual place I see the
internet going.
Is this the first proposal by one state? It is a long road before the web can get
to that much better place but I believe it will.
Oh and your words... " I wish I had rainbows and lollipops coming out of my ass too!!"
keep wishing miracles they do happen
Hackers, the government, and the websites involved wouldn't have to identify themselves. They're the ones who can get to the info without ever saying a word on the internet. Once your info is out there, it is there forever, with many ways of people getting to it from many different directions. Also wondering what you think would happen to the whole anonymous source thing... would journalists be expected to give up their sources in your utopia? What about anonymous reporting of crime? You've got some Pandora's utopia internet world in your mind, but it just doesn't work in reality.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
One registered car and a sole driver per car BUT it would be harder to identify the sole driver of this car? How do you figure that one out? I'll venture into making a kind the kind of statement you make...: 'Me thinks you don't understand the world wide web, how it works, the technology behind it and how info is stored/what is done with it."
I am assuming this proposal as all, would be geared toward adults right?
Over 18...
How would you know if the psoter is over 18 before asking them to verify their identity? And why is it ok for people under the age of 18 to bully people? Most kids are bullied by other kids so if you want to end bullying then this law isn't going to do that at all. Couldn't someone with a kid simply get out of revealing his/her identity by pinning the mean post on their kid? There would be no way to prove otherwise. The only alternative is to put the parents' names out there every time a kid on a Miley Cyrus fan page calls someone else a nasty name and that won't solve anything.
This law is absurd on every level. It's unnecessary, it walks all over people's rights, and it isn't even enforceable in a logical way. Can you imagine the cost of investigating to verify the identity of people whose posts are reported? It's a waste of money and time for something that's not even important.
Do you consider hate crime legislation to be bubble gum?
Do you think we need it in place to correct the ignorant
who are unable to be respectful to others unless they are shown by a law.
This is similar legislation with a similar positive outcome.
Yes, in fact, I find those types of laws to be the cheapest kind of 'Bubble Gum', like the kind you can only chew a few times before the piece get's stale.
Do you consider hate crime legislation to be bubble gum?
Do you think we need it in place to correct the ignorant
who are unable to be respectful to others unless they are shown by a law.
This is similar legislation with a similar positive outcome.
Yes, in fact, I find those types of laws to be the cheapest kind of 'Bubble Gum', like the kind you can only chew a few times before the piece get's stale.
Taken out of context. Or maybe you did not wish to understand what Idris was saying with the WHOLE post.
I am assuming this proposal as all, would be geared toward adults right?
Over 18...
How would you know if the psoter is over 18 before asking them to verify their identity? And why is it ok for people under the age of 18 to bully people? Most kids are bullied by other kids so if you want to end bullying then this law isn't going to do that at all. Couldn't someone with a kid simply get out of revealing his/her identity by pinning the mean post on their kid? There would be no way to prove otherwise. The only alternative is to put the parents' names out there every time a kid on a Miley Cyrus fan page calls someone else a nasty name and that won't solve anything.
This law is absurd on every level. It's unnecessary, it walks all over people's rights, and it isn't even enforceable in a logical way. Can you imagine the cost of investigating to verify the identity of people whose posts are reported? It's a waste of money and time for something that's not even important.
I would imagine that accountability would be required of those under 18 with different
rules as far as posting underage information.
Perhaps you are not thinking broad enough to the point of where these types of laws
will take the internet 20 years from now. It's pretty exciting really to think of the changes
if one embraces the positives.
Again it is important to some, honesty. It is important to some to not allow abusers to abuse.
To protect the rights of all and not allow some to be victimized.
This some who are focused on others, not afraid of what others perceive they are losing
which is nothing, may grow and grow, is what I hope for.
This proposal the first,right?
This means some are thinking about a solution to the trouble on the internet.
Bravo for that.
How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Think of the web as that dark road at night ...
Wow... as the thread moves along, posts get more and more dramatic. First, no criminal commits a crime KNOWING he/she won't get caught. They may think so or hope so...
Then, let me add to the melodrama....
Say this woman posted something online and, following the 'rules' of the bill, had to give her full name and address. For some reason, another person 'takes notice' of her. He does his research, stalks her and REALLY takes a shine to her. Finds a way to mess with her car and follows her until the car breaks down and he can 'do the deed'. Far fetched? Of course it is but we are talking about extreme melodramatic situations, aren't we? Well you seem to. 'The web as that dark road at night.....". With statements like that, I' m not surprised at your paranoia about this.
But is it really THAT far fetched? After all, this woman completely exposed herself to this kind of stalking with the info she had to give online, for all to see. Food for thought.
Again, geez, all are transparent all accountable there is no opportunity to hide
like on a dark road, it was an analogy ...
No crime of opportunity because everyone is accountable.
Now ... hidden, people offend and abuse on the internet because they can and get away with it,
why the proposal.
It's not that far-fetched - it's happened many many times already.
Maybe you don't appreciate, Pandora, how many cuckoo-bananas people there are out there. Example: people on Craigslist get robbed and have even been murdered because some rotten person managed to get their personal info online. I'd also be curious to know how you figure any of us would be protected from corporations getting our info for targeted marketing and market research, or from websites selling our info to spammers. Because that's what they do now with the info we currently choose to give up online. Making it MORE available to the world seems like a pretty shitty idea!
Well, I'll go with the fact that if everyone is transparent it's pretty hard to victimize.
Picture the car again, the registered car and license with only one driver.
If anything this will make it much harder to get anyone's info in the eventual place I see the
internet going.
Is this the first proposal by one state? It is a long road before the web can get
to that much better place but I believe it will.
Oh and your words... " I wish I had rainbows and lollipops coming out of my ass too!!"
keep wishing miracles they do happen
There is no way to ensure that everyone will be transparent.
there will be ... can't drive without a license
it will probably be in our DNA finger tips or maybe eye scans
Pandora, sometimes it's good to take 'two steps back', 'before one step forward'. This is how it went down. redrock said it, I mean you need to look at my 'whole' post/s and it's context, also try and get where I'm coming from. Try, yea?
I am very much against more govt power, not a fan of govt much at all,
but I long for a world that is kinder and gentler if even by law.
So this drives my opinion on the proposal as it may many in the general public.
A kinder/gentler and good natured world due to law and/or regulation (like said bill), that is just not true good nature, or a positive world..It's simply an illusion of a kinder/gentler world/society.
When you scare people into not speaking from their hearts (hurtful speech or not, anonymously or not), what good is it? It's just no good, Pandora.
We don't want some bubble gum world, With bubble gum laws, because it creates nothing but bubble gum people.
No substance, just chew a bit and spit out.
Too sanitized, like someone with OCD washing their hands over and over, you get to a point where hands are not even 'clean' anymore, it in fact becomes very dirty, infected..Disgusting. The opposite of 'clean'.
You said: "I am very much against more govt power, not a fan of govt much at all" Then in the same breath talk about a "kinder" world "even if by law".
You spoke earlier about 'Personal responsibility'...'Personal responsibility' comes from the heart and mind, not by State laws (like this). If a bully fails to see that he/she is a bully, cruel, unjust, an ass or whatever else, then who's loss is it really? The victim? Or the Bully? Surely the loss is always with the 'bully', the 'unjust'.
This is the nature of the world, that is the 'true' nature of 'Personal responsibility'.
Even the worst of bullies have a reason they do what they do, some insecurity, perhaps other pain. But then in turn to bully them into submission. That's just wrong. When people are 'good' because of 'laws', are they really good?
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Anyway, I'm more worried about the people who are heavily political, many people as it is are already scared to speak publicly (or online) about politics, or the government. This will only make them more scared to express themselves or simply 'vent' a bit. 'Fear' and Punishment is the 'future' but don't worry cause 'Big Brother' will protect us. Follow 'Big Brother' and all will be fine.
Bully the outspoken into silence, for if they speak they will no doubt fear whatever repercussions they may incur for simply saying what's on ones mind or what is felt inside ones heart.
Do you consider hate crime legislation to be bubble gum?
Do you think we need it in place to correct the ignorant
who are unable to be respectful to others unless they are shown by a law.
This is similar legislation with a similar positive outcome.
Then u come and ask me...'Do you consider hate crime legislation to be bubble gum? '
Do you consider hate crime legislation to be bubble gum?
Do you think we need it in place to correct the ignorant
who are unable to be respectful to others unless they are shown by a law.
This is similar legislation with a similar positive outcome.
Yes, in fact, I find those types of laws to be the cheapest kind of 'Bubble Gum', like the kind you can only chew a few times before the piece get's stale.
You can't fight hate with those laws. It's the illusion again, it does just about nothing to solve the underlying issue of the 'Hate'. Now something else, 'Hate' is very broad, and the laws vary greatly (even the definition of 'hate' varies). So I'm just giving my general view on the issue and not get into the greater details or philosophy of it etc. (A bit busy right now)
If someone has hate in their heart, say they don't like Blacks, Asians, Arabs, Smurfs or whatever else...and the reason these 'haters' don't openly preach that hate is because of the laws, well to my mind, I find that to be most unfortunate, because it just keeps the hate bottled inside,they are worried about 'punishment' for their view. Now I know, and probably most people here may know or feel that the best way to deal with the 'ignorant' is to 'try' and educate, understand, reason. Not just flash the 'law' in front of them and then claim ' positive outcome. It's the illusion of a positive outcome. Because we did nothing to 'truly' address the hate. We just flashed the 'law' then smile to ourselves or one another claiming 'all is well' in our world.
I would love to think people will be kind and accepting on their own but as we see
with the cyber bullies that is just not happening.
Being anonymous is creating these bullies because there is no personal
accountability. They do not have to be kind so they can victimize with their words,
we see this regularly.
So bully them into liking everyone? No thanks. Some people are kind and accepting, some are not. People have a right not to be kind and not to be accepting, people should have a right to speak the most vile racist words that they can think of.
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I agree in general terms but definitely not one on one.
Laws are to protect the innocent from the not so.
Your reply is not even a counter, you end with "I agree in general terms but definitely not one on one" (whatever that means)
Your posts are lacking substance, kinda bubble gum posts.
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You know Pandora, in a way, it seems, that you are a bit of a bully, a 'love bully
Why don't we just have the government stick some electrodes in our brain, and every time we have a 'negative' thought, it shocks us. I'm sure, the world will be a much more 'positive' place then. But you know, it won't be a 'True positive',
What do you mean no opportunity to hide? Everyone is accountable? No crime of opportunity? Do you REALLY not understand the internet? Do you not understand cyber crime? Do you really think the stalker/hacker/perv will be posting? They lurk, gather the info, use it as they see fit. They are invisible. It's happening now, it will be like kids in a sweet shop for these internet 'baddies' have the law actually making their crimi al activities so much easier. Activities with potentially much more serious consequences than the bullying you seem to be focussed on as one will have no way to 'prevent' these. Btw - noticed the lil' catty remark you managed to slip in....
Edit: I noticed that you have edited your post and cut out the catty remark. Hmmmmmm........
Your reply is not even a counter, you end with "I agree in general terms but definitely not one on one" (whatever that means)
Your posts are lacking substance, kinda bubble gum posts.
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You know Pandora, in a way, it seems, that you are a bit of a bully, a 'love bully
Why don't we just have the government stick some electrodes in our brain, and every time we have a 'negative' thought, it shocks us. I'm sure, the world will be a much more 'positive' place then. But you know, it won't be a 'True positive',
if I lack so much substance why does everyone keep debating with me...
funny stuff.
I will never deny being a love bully... all for love
and of course those who are being abused...
I don't stick up for abusers.
I do come from the smiley bubble gum era great ass music
it's good to be happy and positive!
Your words are showing so much fear this surprises me....
Do you really fear the govt controlling the internet? Or your brain?
Me my worries lie elsewhere, not so much with the written word when it comes to
Big Brother.
On a positive note, I am thankful that 99% of people in this thread are of the same opinion regarding this proposed law.
and I am glad someone or some I should say thought to propose it...
change positive change will come to the internet someday...
hot dog!
Meantime maybe we can do as Idris says
be kind and loving and that will rub off on others hopefully. It certainly is what
some would say I have been preaching for some time
On a positive note, I am thankful that 99% of people in this thread are of the same opinion regarding this proposed law.
That 1% only takes the other side because it ticks everyone else off... I hope everyone can see this so they don't bother arguing a moot point going forward.
On a positive note, I am thankful that 99% of people in this thread are of the same opinion regarding this proposed law.
That 1% only takes the other side because it ticks everyone else off... I hope everyone can see this so they don't bother arguing a moot point going forward.
On a positive note, I am thankful that 99% of people in this thread are of the same opinion regarding this proposed law.
That 1% only takes the other side because it ticks everyone else off... I hope everyone can see this so they don't bother arguing a moot point going forward.
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It is easy to be swayed and ignore things, such as truth or fact, and go purely on gut instinct. That, if it sounds right... or if feels right... or if it is believed to be right... then, it is right.
Case in point: Here is California there is a Proposition to Tax cigarettes to fund Cancer Research. Opposition is Paid for by 'No on 29 – Californians Against Out-of-Control Taxes and Spending'. Major funding by Philip Morris USA and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, with a coalition of taxpayers, small businesses, law enforcement and labor.
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But, all some people see is "Californians Against Out-of-Control Taxes and Spending"... and not the underlying truth, Major funding by Philip Morris USA and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company...
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Wow... as the thread moves along, posts get more and more dramatic. First, no criminal commits a crime KNOWING he/she won't get caught. They may think so or hope so...
Then, let me add to the melodrama....
Say this woman posted something online and, following the 'rules' of the bill, had to give her full name and address. For some reason, another person 'takes notice' of her. He does his research, stalks her and REALLY takes a shine to her. Finds a way to mess with her car and follows her until the car breaks down and he can 'do the deed'. Far fetched? Of course it is but we are talking about extreme melodramatic situations, aren't we? Well you seem to. 'The web as that dark road at night.....". With statements like that, I' m not surprised at your paranoia about this.
But is it really THAT far fetched? After all, this woman completely exposed herself to this kind of stalking with the info she had to give online, for all to see. Food for thought.
Maybe you don't appreciate, Pandora, how many cuckoo-bananas people there are out there. Example: people on Craigslist get robbed and have even been murdered because some rotten person managed to get their personal info online. I'd also be curious to know how you figure any of us would be protected from corporations getting our info for targeted marketing and market research, or from websites selling our info to spammers. Because that's what they do now with the info we currently choose to give up online. Making it MORE available to the world seems like a pretty shitty idea!
And how exactly did you draw this conclusion from the above post? How were you able to make this judgement call?
And more melodrama... what about those site where kids will gather... like Justin Beiber Fan Sites. They need to reveal their names and addresses, too?
Hail, Hail!!!
Yes, if the law passes, every pedophile will be able to get the home addresses of young Beiber fans.
Picture the car again, the registered car and license with only one driver.
If anything this will make it much harder to get anyone's info in the eventual place I see the
internet going.
Is this the first proposal by one state? It is a long road before the web can get
to that much better place but I believe it will.
Oh and your words... " I wish I had rainbows and lollipops coming out of my ass too!!"
keep wishing
Over 18...
There is no way to ensure that everyone will be transparent.
How would you know if the psoter is over 18 before asking them to verify their identity? And why is it ok for people under the age of 18 to bully people? Most kids are bullied by other kids so if you want to end bullying then this law isn't going to do that at all. Couldn't someone with a kid simply get out of revealing his/her identity by pinning the mean post on their kid? There would be no way to prove otherwise. The only alternative is to put the parents' names out there every time a kid on a Miley Cyrus fan page calls someone else a nasty name and that won't solve anything.
This law is absurd on every level. It's unnecessary, it walks all over people's rights, and it isn't even enforceable in a logical way. Can you imagine the cost of investigating to verify the identity of people whose posts are reported? It's a waste of money and time for something that's not even important.
Taken out of context. Or maybe you did not wish to understand what Idris was saying with the WHOLE post.
I would imagine that accountability would be required of those under 18 with different
rules as far as posting underage information.
Perhaps you are not thinking broad enough to the point of where these types of laws
will take the internet 20 years from now. It's pretty exciting really to think of the changes
if one embraces the positives.
Again it is important to some, honesty. It is important to some to not allow abusers to abuse.
To protect the rights of all and not allow some to be victimized.
This some who are focused on others, not afraid of what others perceive they are losing
which is nothing, may grow and grow, is what I hope for.
This proposal the first,right?
This means some are thinking about a solution to the trouble on the internet.
Bravo for that.
The hate crime laws, which I feel are important and pertinent to the subject
in this next post...
the one that you jumped on
is why I mentioned it.
like on a dark road, it was an analogy ...
No crime of opportunity because everyone is accountable.
Now ... hidden, people offend and abuse on the internet because they can and get away with it,
why the proposal.
it will probably be in our DNA finger tips
Then u come and ask me...'Do you consider hate crime legislation to be bubble gum? '
Your reply is not even a counter, you end with "I agree in general terms but definitely not one on one" (whatever that means)
Your posts are lacking substance, kinda bubble gum posts.
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You know Pandora, in a way, it seems, that you are a bit of a bully, a 'love bully
Why don't we just have the government stick some electrodes in our brain, and every time we have a 'negative' thought, it shocks us. I'm sure, the world will be a much more 'positive' place then. But you know, it won't be a 'True positive',
(also, I think I've developed a crush on Idris' mind
Edit: I noticed that you have edited your post and cut out the catty remark. Hmmmmmm........
funny stuff.
I will never deny being a love bully... all for love
and of course those who are being abused...
I don't stick up for abusers.
I do come from the smiley bubble gum era
it's good to be happy and positive!
Your words are showing so much fear this surprises me....
Do you really fear the govt controlling the internet? Or your brain?
Me my worries lie elsewhere, not so much with the written word when it comes to
Big Brother.
change positive change will come to the internet someday...
hot dog!
Meantime maybe we can do as Idris says
be kind and loving and that will rub off on others hopefully. It certainly is what
some would say I have been preaching for some time
That 1% only takes the other side because it ticks everyone else off... I hope everyone can see this so they don't bother arguing a moot point going forward.
and no ... I'm actually for the victims of cyber bullying ... go figure :fp:
and the victim in the classroom, and the victim of the sex tape and....
we're shooting for kindness ... remember
it's harder for some, I know. :?
It is easy to be swayed and ignore things, such as truth or fact, and go purely on gut instinct. That, if it sounds right... or if feels right... or if it is believed to be right... then, it is right.
Case in point: Here is California there is a Proposition to Tax cigarettes to fund Cancer Research. Opposition is Paid for by 'No on 29 – Californians Against Out-of-Control Taxes and Spending'. Major funding by Philip Morris USA and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company, with a coalition of taxpayers, small businesses, law enforcement and labor.
...
But, all some people see is "Californians Against Out-of-Control Taxes and Spending"... and not the underlying truth, Major funding by Philip Morris USA and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company...
Hail, Hail!!!
To whom are you referring?