Ban 'anonymous' speech online?

peacefrompaul

catefrances wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

Yeah, most of that stuff is crap... But the original Steamboat Willy... He was a badass.

ive discovered aqua teen hunger force.. anything else pales in comparison.

Yeah? Great show... I've always been a big Metalocalypse fan... and Super Jail... Though that stuff is pretty crazy violent. :shock:

catefrances

you know i should just come clean now.


my real name isnt cate... its catherine. i apologise if ive deceived any of you... but you know i just wanted to be able to say what i needed to say without having flaming bags of dogpoop left on my doorstep.

PJ_Soul

When it comes down to it, I think that people just need to get a fucking grip and stop being such simpering wimps. Ooooooo, you're offended! ... Well, who cares?? As for bullying... time for parents and the education system to step up there. That's not what this legislation is about, and it's not what will fix it. As someone else said, there are already laws to protect people from slander. Restricting our freedom and threatening our privacy and increasing our risk of identity fraud is not the way to go. It is simply a bunch of scared politicians whining like they think they're fucking Sarah Palin or something.

Pandora, I'm considering nicknaming you Big Sister. I can't believe you support such legislation. It's a very bad idea to enact law that is intended to stop a small minority from misusing something that is otherwise good by restricting everyone from it. That's insane. It can't work that way.

hedonist

catefrances wrote:

i suspect the public are more likely to say..

dear government,

please fuck off out of my life.

love,
the citizenry.


big govt/ small govt.. which is it people???? cause it cant be both.

A-fucking-men.

I cannot fathom how this basic and important point could be neglected, along with the many other sound arguments that have been made here.

(and this is not me asking for further clarification toward the other perspective - I get it! )

pandora

All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
Well, they are but this isn't part of it

There is no restrictions...
say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
No fear.

Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

This proposal will insure this.
If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

JOEJOEJOE

pandora wrote:

All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
Well, they are but this isn't part of it

There is no restrictions...
say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
No fear.

Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

This proposal will insure this.
If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

I posted these examples a few days ago:

Pandora:

Hypothetically, if you were being abused by your husband, and you wanted to discuss it online with other such victims, would you want to divulge your identity?

If your child was confused about his sexuality, would you want him to be compelled to divulge his identity on a message board where others in the same situation can discuss their issues?

Cyber bullying is a problem, but in the big picture, there are many more important factors that make this proposed law very dangerous.

hedonist

So many assumptions, so little time.

How about this...those who want to put their personal information out there do so if they choose - in the name of keeping "honest" and "accountable", and we'll assume that those who choose not to are nefarious, deceitful bullies.

Those HAVE to be the only two options.

Welcome to Stepford, folks.

markin ball

pandora wrote:

All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
Well, they are but this isn't part of it

There is no restrictions...
say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
No fear.

Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

This proposal will insure this.
If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

I would ask those in witness protection or whistle blowers that risk everything to do the right thing. While I see your point, It's not all about bullying, and we have to be careful that we don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Suppressing anonymous speech where people can speak and communicate without fear of retribution by others or the government is a very high price to pay.

pandora

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

pandora wrote:

All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
Well, they are but this isn't part of it

There is no restrictions...
say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
No fear.

Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

This proposal will insure this.
If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

I posted these examples a few days ago:

Pandora:

Hypothetically, if you were being abused by your husband, and you wanted to discuss it online with other such victims, would you want to divulge your identity?

If your child was confused about his sexuality, would you want him to be compelled to divulge his identity on a message board where others in the same situation can discuss their issues?

Cyber bullying is a problem, but in the big picture, there are many more important factors that make this proposed law very dangerous.

I do not think speaking about, or asking for advice, with god knows who about personal topics,
like abuse and one's sexuality belongs in an anonymous environment
simply because people are not who they say they are. We all know this.
Here there everywhere.
If a victim has no trusted family or friends
seek out help groups which are available in everyone's community
that is a much better option.
There, face to face eye to eye, one recieves honesty and true caring
and real life solutions most often given by survivors or trained professional.

JOEJOEJOE

pandora wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

pandora wrote:

All I want from my government is info and protection in times of crisis.
There are people in crisis from bullies, this proposal was created
and is being considered to rid the internet of them. Bravo!

I can't believe the negativity here. So afraid the big bad govt is after you!
Well, they are but this isn't part of it

There is no restrictions...
say what you will, speak freely, stand proud by your words...
go hold a sign, walk with others, sign a petition, it's all the same.
I just signed one today name, address, telephone number.
It was for something I believed in . So when we are not anonymous
my words will be as they are now something I believe in.
No fear.

Just don't hide and for everyone's sakes but mostly your own, be honest.

This proposal will insure this.
If you don't like politicians being rats and lying don't do that yourself.

This the positive side to this proposal they will be held accountable also.

Why would anyone need to remain hidden? I guess out of fear
or dirty work. This goes for the bullies and politicians. All will have accountability.

I posted these examples a few days ago:

Pandora:

Hypothetically, if you were being abused by your husband, and you wanted to discuss it online with other such victims, would you want to divulge your identity?

If your child was confused about his sexuality, would you want him to be compelled to divulge his identity on a message board where others in the same situation can discuss their issues?

Cyber bullying is a problem, but in the big picture, there are many more important factors that make this proposed law very dangerous.

I do not think speaking about, or asking for advice, with god knows who about personal topics,
like abuse and one's sexuality belongs in an anonymous environment
simply because people are not who they say they are. We all know this.
Here there everywhere.
If a victim has no trusted family or friends
seek out help groups which are available in everyone's community
that is a much better option.
There, face to face eye to eye, one recieves honesty and true caring
and real life solutions most often given by survivors or trained professional.

I wasn't asking your opinion about how one should find support/seek advice.

pandora

hedonist wrote:

So many assumptions, so little time.

How about this...those who want to put their personal information out there do so if they choose - in the name of keeping "honest" and "accountable", and we'll assume that those who choose not to are nefarious, deceitful bullies.

Those HAVE to be the only two options.

Welcome to Stepford, folks.

You have told me you are afraid of your employer finding out sensitive info about you.
Others are fearful of the govt coming after them, others are fearful of something else.

My post addresses this fear and does not say all who oppose the proposal
are bullies or bad people doing bad things. Fear seems to be the number one reason here.

I find this ironic because that is exactly how victims feel about being bullied.

And once again the politicians will be held accountable also ...
open, remove the veil, no more shades go down.

We are all held accountable for what we say and what we do.

pandora

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

pandora wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

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I posted these examples a few days ago:

Pandora:

Hypothetically, if you were being abused by your husband, and you wanted to discuss it online with other such victims, would you want to divulge your identity?

If your child was confused about his sexuality, would you want him to be compelled to divulge his identity on a message board where others in the same situation can discuss their issues?

Cyber bullying is a problem, but in the big picture, there are many more important factors that make this proposed law very dangerous.

I do not think speaking about, or asking for advice, with god knows who about personal topics,
like abuse and one's sexuality belongs in an anonymous environment
simply because people are not who they say they are. We all know this.
Here there everywhere.
If a victim has no trusted family or friends
seek out help groups which are available in everyone's community
that is a much better option.
There, face to face eye to eye, one recieves honesty and true caring
and real life solutions most often given by survivors or trained professional.

I wasn't asking your opinion about how one should find support/seek advice.

I think you can answer your questions though from what I wrote right? :?

hedonist

pandora wrote:

I do not think speaking about, or asking for advice, with god knows who about personal topics,
like abuse and one's sexuality belongs in an anonymous environment
simply because people are not who they say they are. We all know this.
Here there everywhere.
If a victim has no trusted family or friends
seek out help groups which are available in everyone's community
that is a much better option.
There, face to face eye to eye, one recieves honesty and true caring
and real life solutions most often given by survivors or trained professional.

So all of the trusted websites aimed to help the suicidal (or those thinking about it), alcoholics, the scared, the ones just looking for some basic information to assist themselves, etc. - no more anonymity?

Truly a frightening prospect.

And the part I bolded above? Yikes. God knows how so many friendships that began online have managed to be forged here, there, and everywhere, when people are not who they say they are.

*edit to reply to your other post to me - my employer example was one, as I said earlier, straight off the top of my head. There are a plethora of additional valid reasons which have been explained very well among these many pages. It's fine you don't see them or if you do, dismiss or disagree with them.

It's good to have the discussion, to see where folks stand on the issue. I don't think this thing has a chance in hell of passing, thankfully.

BinauralJam

What if you said something that pissed someone off and instead of taking you on online they got your information and came after your kid in real life or some other vunerable spot. I mean you know how many people lurk on this website and never even comment, you don't know who out there loves or hates you, but now they can get your info? i dont think so.

pandora

I don't think whistle blowers or the witness protection program
has anything to do with the internet.
There will always be ways to be anonymous in these instances.
Mostly through local media and of course the govt itself in the WPP.

I find the fear factor here though to be a little over the top.
The government has ways in place if they feel someone is a genuine threat.
They can find out about these threats about these people.

This proposal helps the victims of other's words and their manipulation,
whether that be a great Senator running for office facing lies, a young child being tormented,
or somebody's Grandma being scammed.
The victims have a right to face their abuser and you can bet if they could
the abuser would not be abusing.

JOEJOEJOE

What if someone who lives in a facist country wants to expose human rights violations, and the only way to do it is via the interwebs?

So sorry, but you need to introduce yourself to everyone before you can expose any wrongdoings.

Idris

hedonist wrote:

I don't think this thing has a chance in hell of passing, thankfully.

Yea especially now that so many people are aware of the bill etc. When it was first introduced, it came very quietly until a couple of sites took notice and got peoples attention.

You know, they will probably 'tame' the bill a little, then baby step bring it back to how it currently is. That's what these guys do, they push the boundaries step by step, until the goal post is way off the field, and by then it just seems normal.

They see how much they can get away with, then slow but surely push for more.

pandora

BinauralJam wrote:

What if you said something that pissed someone off and instead of taking you on online they got your information and came after your kid in real life or some other vunerable spot. I mean you know how many people lurk on this website and never even comment, you don't know who out there loves or hates you, but now they can get your info? i dont think so.

What I think about that is ... no fear BJ.
Can't live like that.
Same as carrying a sign, signing a petition, it is speaking what you believe.

It is also attempting to remain civil kind and respectful to everyone.
I know it's not a common practice but how about loving those of opposite opinion?
Not judging someone or giving them a nickname because of their beliefs.
Time is upon us to own up and be responsible to each other, whatever the cost.

And people are coming after our kids already... they are cyber bullies.

hedonist

Idris wrote:

Yea especially now that so many people are aware of the bill etc. When it was first introduced, it came very quietly until a couple of sites took notice and got peoples attention.

You know, they will probably 'tame' the bill a little, then baby step bring it back to how it currently is. That's what these guys do, they push the boundaries step by step, until the goal post is way off the field, and by then it just seems normal.

They see how much they can get away with, then slow but surely push for more.

Whaddaya know! Yet another compelling point

JOEJOEJOE

As a good faith gesture, perhaps all those in favor of the proposed law can post their real names for us to see?