Huh How? ...
I'm thinking a pervert is not going to identify them self ... correct ????
and so you think they will attack in person??? I'm lost here I guess on your meaning.
It is more than hurt feelings, there we go again dismissing bullies and what they do to other
peoples lives.
:roll: :roll: :roll: That's not what anyone is doing at all. What everyone else is doing is looking at the issue clearly and realistically in its entirety, while you are confronting it with a very narrow viewpoint. Including a narrow viewpoint on bullying and the issues surrounding internet bullying, while ignoring all the other MASSIVE issues surrounding this topic.
I am seeing the future of the internet with great possibilities not of losing something
but gaining much more.
The narrow mind for me is the negative fearful one.
That doesn't make any sense to me. There are ways to deal with bullying and peverts. There aren't ways to deal with the lack of anonymity once it's lost. The freedom of the internet - to be able to express yourself without people being able to identify you - is one of the greatest steps towards individual freedom, freedom of expression, and a right to privacy that we've had as a society. You don't just throw that all away because of some problems that can be dealt with without destroying that freedom.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
No I've been to the meetings they are really great, met wonderful people and even learned last names...
go figure
first name only is optional
in this proposal we are saying that one must give name address etc when they are lying
Thus ANONYMOUS unless one chooses to share details - face to face does not change anything - you do not know who you are dealing with, do not know if their 'history' they are sharing is real, etc. Don't kid yourself.
I think you misread the proposal:
"According to the proposed legislation, the administrator of any website hosted in New York State shall, upon request, remove comments that were “posted on his or her website by an anonymous poster unless such anonymous poster agreed to attach his or her name to the post and confirm that his or her IP address, legal name and home address are accurate."
UPON REQUEST... just like that.
I agree with the proposal, I agree with that aspect. I would like to see in the future
the internet lose all anonymity and become something much more awesome.
And sorry I did not mean to have that sound like AA and you ...
I wrote what I felt from my experience, the meetings rock, I was extremely impressed
with the people and content, then I said red as yes a play or shortened version of on your name.
Sorry. :oops: stupid me.
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I am seeing the future of the internet with great possibilities not of losing something
but gaining much more.
The narrow mind for me is the negative fearful one.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
Well ok our minds don't meet.
I have learned that fears hold us back in everything we do, personally and as a species.
The internet of 2075 will be much different.
It will be a gas and it will be a kinder gentler place.
"According to the proposed legislation, the administrator of any website hosted in New York State shall, upon request, remove comments that were “posted on his or her website by an anonymous poster unless such anonymous poster agreed to attach his or her name to the post and confirm that his or her IP address, legal name and home address are accurate."
So you agree that it's not about ONLY when one is lying. That you misunderstood this 'lying' business. OK then. It seems you agree with a real big brother scenario here. Fair enough - if you wish to live under the thumb of a government that takes away more and more of your rights and that controls/monitors your everyday life.... There have been films about that - called science fiction - and usually watched with disbelief.
Edit - quotes went all wonky but no time to sort out.
Think of it as your car is a computer to ride the web you must be identified.
Just as we are now on the road.
That's the way I picture it in the future, at least. I think it will be much improvement
getting rid of illegal behavior not only the bullying and perverts.
It will also bring accountability to everyone.
:?: 'We' identify ourselves with all our details, potentially allowing people to hack into bank accounts etc. when we are on the road? Anyone can drive my car. My car is not me.
Will there be bank accounts?
I think maybe you are trying hard not to see the internet
as the world wide web it will become.
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I am seeing the future of the internet with great possibilities not of losing something
but gaining much more.
The narrow mind for me is the negative fearful one.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
Well ok our minds don't meet.
I have learned that fears hold us back in everything we do, personally and as a species.
The internet of 2075 will be much different.
It will be a gas and it will be a kinder gentler place.
Actually, fear can be a healthy thing - keeps some species alive, us included.
So you agree that it's not about ONLY when one is lying. That you misunderstood this 'lying' business. OK then. It seems you agree with a real big brother scenario here. Fair enough - if you wish to live under the thumb of a government that takes away more and more of your rights and that controls/monitors your everyday life.... There have been films about that - called science fiction - and usually watched with disbelief.
A lot of sci fi is coming true or no? Grain of truth in just about everything but for sure in sci fi.
I agree with being accountable for one's words. This will stop people from being able to hide.
They must stand up for what they say or don't say it. I think lying was the biggest example
and that means the politicians too. It will stop the bullies and other predators.
That is what this proposal is all about .
Again fear not really what I am all about I see the positives.
Who says a pervert has to post on a site in order to see its content? You can view many forums without registering and even if you register you don't have to post, so who would know that there's a pervert on the board? Al that person needs to know is your name and they can find out a lot about you. Also, unless the person's real name is Ima Pervert, it's gonna be hard to tell based solely on the name.
Think of it as your car is a computer to ride the web you must be identified.
Just as we are now on the road.
That's the way I picture it in the future, at least. I think it will be much improvement
getting rid of illegal behavior not only the bullying and perverts.
It will also bring accountability to everyone.
How will identifying yourself if you post a mean comment online get rid of illegal behavior? Also, how is the Internet anything like driving a car? If I don't learn how to drive a car, I can wind up killing myself or someone else. Typing too fast isn't going to hurt anyone.
Also, this won't do anything to get rid of perverts because it would only apply if the pervert posted a mean comment and had also done something that identified himself as a pervert.
Another point: what if someone is in my house and uses my computer while I'm not home or out of the room? Now my name is being attached to someone else's words? What if someone uses a computer in a public library or free Wi-Fi in a restaurant? One of the most important aspects about laws (aside from the legality of passing such a law in the first place and the need for the law or lackthereof) is that it needs to be enforceable. Short of the government deciding to outlaw wireless communication, this law is impossible to enforce. I can just go to Starbucks, use my phone to create a new username for a forum, only post under that name from places that offer free Wi-Fi and bully whoever I want. It's an impractical "solution" to a problem that is not nearly as widespread as people might think.
I think maybe you are trying hard not to see the internet
as the world wide web it will become.
Oh.. I know plenty about the internet. Don't make assumptions again. And if by 'it will become' you mean how YOU see it - that won't happen. That is not the nature of the world wide web. But if that's what you like to believe - so be it.
Actually, fear can be a healthy thing - keeps some species alive, us included.
Anyway, back on the merry-go-round!
One can almost picture the web of the future in that also.
Like a merry go round, a positive fun place filled with friends and good times....
No jerks knocking little kids off their horses or stealing their popcorn.
So you agree that it's not about ONLY when one is lying. That you misunderstood this 'lying' business. OK then. It seems you agree with a real big brother scenario here. Fair enough - if you wish to live under the thumb of a government that takes away more and more of your rights and that controls/monitors your everyday life.... There have been films about that - called science fiction - and usually watched with disbelief.
A lot of sci fi is coming true or no? Grain of truth in just about everything but for sure in sci fi.
I agree with being accountable for one's words. This will stop people from being able to hide.
They must stand up for what they say or don't say it. I think lying was the biggest example
and that means the politicians too. It will stop the bullies and other predators.
That is what this proposal is all about .
Again fear not really what I am all about I see the positives.
I don't think that increasing the ability of corporations and hackers to spam or screw you over by about 1000% is positive at all. I don't see having to identify yourself when you don't want to be identified is positive either. I don't think that anything that might muzzle dissent against corporations or government is positive either.
Get off the fear thing... I don't think that any of us here are on some kind of fear train at all; only pointing out some very valid possibilities if privacy rights are taken away. You kind of just made that "love not fear" thing and are running with it as far as I can tell. I think we are all just looking at the thing from all angles, and that you have tunnel vision, and are not considering all of the negatives (obviously, if you think that a law like this can only lead to positive things). Should the government start blocking certain websites too??? Geez.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Actually, fear can be a healthy thing - keeps some species alive, us included.
Anyway, back on the merry-go-round!
One can almost picture the web of the future in that also.
Like a merry go round, a positive fun place filled with friends and good times....
No jerks knocking little kids off their horses or stealing their popcorn.
I wish I had rainbows and lollipops coming out of my ass too!! Why in the world should the internet only be positive and fun????
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think maybe you are trying hard not to see the internet
as the world wide web it will become.
Oh.. I know plenty about the internet. Don't make assumptions again. And if by 'it will become' you mean how YOU see it - that won't happen. That is not the nature of the world wide web. But if that's what you like to believe - so be it.
thank you, I will believe that the web can be something much better than what it is today.
A kinder gentler world wide web.
Basel Committee on Banking Supervision?
Blue Cross Blue Shield?
You said it yourself. How can one be sure who is at 'the other end' of live chats or web-based help? Could be perverts because that's what they do.
I don't think they hire perverts do you? If they do it would be a very short lived job
And how would they know? Would one advertise he/she is a pervert? 'Hey... I'm looking for a job here but I'm a pervert so I suppose you won't want to hire me?'
Where I'm getting at is, if you fear bullies and pervs - they can be anywhere (web and reality) and we are non the wiser. But you said yourself that they HIDE behind the web and the self help sites.
Though I still don't know that BCBS is as it just came out of the blue.
There are ways to deal with bullying and peverts. There aren't ways to deal with the lack of anonymity once it's lost. The freedom of the internet - to be able to express yourself without people being able to identify you - is one of the greatest steps towards individual freedom, freedom of expression, and a right to privacy that we've had as a society. You don't just throw that all away because of some problems that can be dealt with without destroying that freedom.
No one is losing a right or a freedom speak away just stand behind your words...
it means everyone must do the same. Why must you be anonymous to say what you just said?
Same as signing a petition, carrying a sign, standing up for what you believe ...
stand behind your words they are your beliefs.
2. A WEB SITE ADMINISTRATOR UPON REQUEST SHALL REMOVE ANY COMMENTS POSTED ON HIS OR HER WEB SITE BY AN ANONYMOUS POSTER UNLESS SUCH ANONYMOUS POSTER AGREES TO ATTACH HIS OR HER NAME TO THE POST AND CONFIRMS THAT HIS OR HER IP ADDRESS, LEGAL NAME, AND HOME ADDRESS ARE ACCURATE.
ALL WEB SITE ADMINISTRATORS SHALL HAVE A CONTACT NUMBER OR E-MAIL ADDRESS POSTED FOR SUCH REMOVAL REQUESTS, CLEARLY VISIBLE IN ANY SECTIONS WHERE COMMENTS ARE POSTED.
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That is the gist of the Bill.
This means that all I have to do is contact Kat or Sea and tell them to remove a post I find to be offensive or have the poster's identity revealed to me.
Again... opinion is subjective and it is placing a lot of responsibility and accountability on the Web Admins and opening up a giant can of legal worms if contact is made in the real world because they disclosed the Name and Home Address of a member.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Basel Committee on Banking Supervision?
Blue Cross Blue Shield?
You said it yourself. How can one be sure who is at 'the other end' of live chats or web-based help? Could be perverts because that's what they do.
I don't think they hire perverts do you? If they do it would be a very short lived job
I'd like to think that schools don't hire perverts, either, but reality has shattered that illusion for me. The truth is that the professional you see in person, the professional on a respected website, and the pervert lurking on a message board can all be the same person.
But putting perverts off to the side for a moment, let's say that you post on here that you're going on vacation next week and have to take your dog to a kennel because you don't have anyone around to stop by the house and watchi it for you while you're away. The next day someone takes offense to something you posted and your name is up on that message board for anyone to see. All it takes is for someone to get curious about what else you've posted and find your post about your vacation and they'll know that you're not going to be home for a week and nobody is checking on your house. It was safe to post that when you were anonymous because nobody knew who you were. Yes, I understand that you use your real name on here, but you don't use your full name. Very few people do. There's a reason for that. If this bill were to pass, some of the things you've posted in this thread could be grounds for forcing you to either give up your freedom of speech (the government forcing a website to remove your words is a violation of your right to free speech since it is not the website owner's choice at that point) or reveal your name to everyone whether you want to or not. You would be force to decide which right is more important to you: free speech or privacy. It doesn't matter that you didn't intend your words to be hurtful because someone else could take them as hurtful and baseless.
There are ways to deal with bullying and peverts. There aren't ways to deal with the lack of anonymity once it's lost. The freedom of the internet - to be able to express yourself without people being able to identify you - is one of the greatest steps towards individual freedom, freedom of expression, and a right to privacy that we've had as a society. You don't just throw that all away because of some problems that can be dealt with without destroying that freedom.
No one is losing a right or a freedom speak away just stand behind your words...
it means everyone must do the same. Why must you be anonymous to say what you just said?
Same as signing a petition, carrying a sign, standing up for what you believe ...
stand behind your words they are your beliefs.
Tell that to a whistle blower or someone who is exposing a politician for wrong doing or something. Tell that to someone who simply doesn't want their identity known because they aren't comfortable with everyone they know knowing their business outside of work or school. There are a LOT of reasons why anonymity is important.
I'm not anonymous here at all. It shows when I'm online, I have had many pm discussions with people here using my real name, I list my city, and I've bought stuff from people here who all know my full name, address and phone number. And 10C has all my personal info as well.
But there are still many many reasons for people to want to be anonymous... frankly, it's none of your or anyone else's business why people want to be anonymous (for all the thousands of different reasons individuals may have), as long as they're not doing anything illegal.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I will believe that the web can be something much better than what it is today.
A kinder gentler world wide web.
TheWorld Wide Web is a reflection of ourselves, we make it what it is, You want to change the Web and make it 'kinder', we start by fixing ourselves, and in turn the Web will reflect that.
Not by silly laws that does nothing to remedy the issues of the heart where the disease is. You can't 'force' people to be good, it has the complete opposite effect when you 'force' it.
In the same way, you can't really make someone love you, I mean you can buy them things, lie to them to make them think you have things in common, then maybe even end up getting married, but in reality, it's not real. It's a lie.
It's trickery, an illusion, It is TheMatrix! You want to be in the Matrix Pandora? Go Take the blue pill ('g under p' got me thinking about that movie right now with his post )
TheWorld Wide Web is a reflection of ourselves, we make it what it is, You want to change the Web and make it 'kinder', we start by fixing ourselves, and in turn the Web will reflect that.
Not by silly laws that does nothing to remedy the issues of the heart where the disease is. You can't 'force' people to be good, it has the complete opposite effect when you 'force' it.
In the same way, you can't really make someone love you, I mean you can buy them things, lie to them to make them think you have things in common, then maybe even end up getting married, but in reality, it's not real. It's a lie.
It's trickery, an illusion, It is TheMatrix! You want to be in the Matrix Pandora? Go Take the blue pill ('g under p' got me thinking about that movie right now with his post )
...
Thank you... Words of sense from the world of Reality.
Stop hatred, prejudice, racism, nationalism, religion, greed, envy and hunger in the Real World and the InterNet will follow suit.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
There are ways to deal with bullying and peverts. There aren't ways to deal with the lack of anonymity once it's lost. The freedom of the internet - to be able to express yourself without people being able to identify you - is one of the greatest steps towards individual freedom, freedom of expression, and a right to privacy that we've had as a society. You don't just throw that all away because of some problems that can be dealt with without destroying that freedom.
No one is losing a right or a freedom speak away just stand behind your words...
it means everyone must do the same. Why must you be anonymous to say what you just said?
Same as signing a petition, carrying a sign, standing up for what you believe ...
stand behind your words they are your beliefs.
Tell that to a whistle blower or someone who is exposing a politician for wrong doing or something. Tell that to someone who simply doesn't want their identity known because they aren't comfortable with everyone they know knowing their business outside of work or school. There are a LOT of reasons why anonymity is important.
I'm not anonymous here at all. It shows when I'm online, I have had many pm discussions with people here using my real name, I list my city, and I've bought stuff from people here who all know my full name, address and phone number. And 10C has all my personal info as well.
But there are still many many reasons for people to want to be anonymous... frankly, it's none of your or anyone else's business why people want to be anonymous (for all the thousands of different reasons individuals may have), as long as they're not doing anything illegal.
I've covered whitle blowers already a couple pages back.
Tell it it the the good politician who is being wrongly accused bad mouthed during a race...
total untruth with no recourse by an anonymous person.
I think it might be that person's business or the person who is being cyber bullied.
There is no good reason as I see it to need to be anonymous.
You say as long as they are not doing any thing illegal ...
this is exactly why we need a law like this to protect.
Because people are doing illegal things in the veil of anonymity. And this for people who otherwise would not if their name was up there and they had accountability for their actions. :fp:
Tell that to a whistle blower or someone who is exposing a politician for wrong doing or something. Tell that to someone who simply doesn't want their identity known because they aren't comfortable with everyone they know knowing their business outside of work or school. There are a LOT of reasons why anonymity is important.
I'm not anonymous here at all. It shows when I'm online, I have had many pm discussions with people here using my real name, I list my city, and I've bought stuff from people here who all know my full name, address and phone number. And 10C has all my personal info as well.
But there are still many many reasons for people to want to be anonymous... frankly, it's none of your or anyone else's business why people want to be anonymous (for all the thousands of different reasons individuals may have), as long as they're not doing anything illegal.
I've covered whitle blowers already a couple pages back.
Tell it it the the good politician who is being wrongly accused bad mouthed during a race...
total untruth with no recourse by an anonymous person.
I think it might be that person's business or the person who is being cyber bullied.
There is no good reason as I see it to need to be anonymous.
You say as long as they are not doing any thing illegal ... this is exactly why we need a law like this to protect.
Because people are doing illegal things in the veil of anonymity. And this for people who otherwise would not if their name was up there and they had accountability for their actions. :fp:
What illegal things are people doing online and getting away with thanks to their anonymity? Being mean isn't illegal. I assume you know that, so what laws are people breaking that they wouldn't if they were forced to reveal their names?
I'm also still not sure how this law is practical given that wifi access allows people to use the Internet without having their own Internet service at home.
I will believe that the web can be something much better than what it is today.
A kinder gentler world wide web.
TheWorld Wide Web is a reflection of ourselves, we make it what it is, You want to change the Web and make it 'kinder', we start by fixing ourselves, and in turn the Web will reflect that.
Not by silly laws that does nothing to remedy the issues of the heart where the disease is. You can't 'force' people to be good, it has the complete opposite effect when you 'force' it.
In the same way, you can't really make someone love you, I mean you can buy them things, lie to them to make them think you have things in common, then maybe even end up getting married, but in reality, it's not real. It's a lie.
It's trickery, an illusion, It is TheMatrix! You want to be in the Matrix Pandora? Go Take the blue pill ('g under p' got me thinking about that movie right now with his post )
I think some people will not learn by example. Some people need laws to show them
what good behavior is.
I speak of love always and believe in the power. I also believe in the opposite power.
And it is this that which lurks in anonymity. Just as it lurks in crime of opportunity.
How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Tell that to a whistle blower or someone who is exposing a politician for wrong doing or something. Tell that to someone who simply doesn't want their identity known because they aren't comfortable with everyone they know knowing their business outside of work or school. There are a LOT of reasons why anonymity is important.
I'm not anonymous here at all. It shows when I'm online, I have had many pm discussions with people here using my real name, I list my city, and I've bought stuff from people here who all know my full name, address and phone number. And 10C has all my personal info as well.
But there are still many many reasons for people to want to be anonymous... frankly, it's none of your or anyone else's business why people want to be anonymous (for all the thousands of different reasons individuals may have), as long as they're not doing anything illegal.
I've covered whitle blowers already a couple pages back.
Tell it it the the good politician who is being wrongly accused bad mouthed during a race...
total untruth with no recourse by an anonymous person.
I think it might be that person's business or the person who is being cyber bullied.
There is no good reason as I see it to need to be anonymous.
You say as long as they are not doing any thing illegal ...
this is exactly why we need a law like this to protect.
Because people are doing illegal things in the veil of anonymity. And this for people who otherwise would not if their name was up there and they had accountability for their actions. :fp:
Sooo.... you think that people doing illegal shit are going to provide their real identities and addresses???
Okay, whatever. I know that you think there is no good reason to be anonymous... you're just wrong.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I will believe that the web can be something much better than what it is today.
A kinder gentler world wide web.
TheWorld Wide Web is a reflection of ourselves, we make it what it is, You want to change the Web and make it 'kinder', we start by fixing ourselves, and in turn the Web will reflect that.
Not by silly laws that does nothing to remedy the issues of the heart where the disease is. You can't 'force' people to be good, it has the complete opposite effect when you 'force' it.
In the same way, you can't really make someone love you, I mean you can buy them things, lie to them to make them think you have things in common, then maybe even end up getting married, but in reality, it's not real. It's a lie.
It's trickery, an illusion, It is TheMatrix! You want to be in the Matrix Pandora? Go Take the blue pill ('g under p' got me thinking about that movie right now with his post )
I think some people will not learn by example. Some people need laws to show them
what good behavior is.
I speak of love always and believe in the power. I also believe in the opposite power.
And it is this that which lurks in anonymity. Just as it lurks in crime of opportunity.
How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Think of the web as that dark road at night ...
The Taliban has many laws that show people how to behave properly.
Comments
the internet lose all anonymity and become something much more awesome.
And sorry I did not mean to have that sound like AA and you ...
I wrote what I felt from my experience, the meetings rock, I was extremely impressed
with the people and content, then I said red as yes a play or shortened version of on your name.
Sorry. :oops: stupid me.
I have learned that fears hold us back in everything we do, personally and as a species.
The internet of 2075 will be much different.
It will be a gas and it will be a kinder gentler place.
So you agree that it's not about ONLY when one is lying. That you misunderstood this 'lying' business. OK then. It seems you agree with a real big brother scenario here. Fair enough - if you wish to live under the thumb of a government that takes away more and more of your rights and that controls/monitors your everyday life.... There have been films about that - called science fiction - and usually watched with disbelief.
Edit - quotes went all wonky but no time to sort out.
I think maybe you are trying hard not to see the internet
as the world wide web it will become.
Anyway, back on the merry-go-round!
but for sure in sci fi.
I agree with being accountable for one's words. This will stop people from being able to hide.
They must stand up for what they say or don't say it. I think lying was the biggest example
and that means the politicians too. It will stop the bullies and other predators.
That is what this proposal is all about .
Again fear not really what I am all about I see the positives.
If there wasn't fear... would there be the need for locks?
Hail, Hail!!!
How will identifying yourself if you post a mean comment online get rid of illegal behavior? Also, how is the Internet anything like driving a car? If I don't learn how to drive a car, I can wind up killing myself or someone else. Typing too fast isn't going to hurt anyone.
Also, this won't do anything to get rid of perverts because it would only apply if the pervert posted a mean comment and had also done something that identified himself as a pervert.
Another point: what if someone is in my house and uses my computer while I'm not home or out of the room? Now my name is being attached to someone else's words? What if someone uses a computer in a public library or free Wi-Fi in a restaurant? One of the most important aspects about laws (aside from the legality of passing such a law in the first place and the need for the law or lackthereof) is that it needs to be enforceable. Short of the government deciding to outlaw wireless communication, this law is impossible to enforce. I can just go to Starbucks, use my phone to create a new username for a forum, only post under that name from places that offer free Wi-Fi and bully whoever I want. It's an impractical "solution" to a problem that is not nearly as widespread as people might think.
Oh.. I know plenty about the internet. Don't make assumptions again. And if by 'it will become' you mean how YOU see it - that won't happen. That is not the nature of the world wide web. But if that's what you like to believe - so be it.
Like a merry go round, a positive fun place filled with friends and good times....
No jerks knocking little kids off their horses or stealing their popcorn.
Get off the fear thing... I don't think that any of us here are on some kind of fear train at all; only pointing out some very valid possibilities if privacy rights are taken away. You kind of just made that "love not fear" thing and are running with it as far as I can tell. I think we are all just looking at the thing from all angles, and that you have tunnel vision, and are not considering all of the negatives (obviously, if you think that a law like this can only lead to positive things). Should the government start blocking certain websites too??? Geez.
Blue Cross Blue Shield?
You said it yourself. How can one be sure who is at 'the other end' of live chats or web-based help? Could be perverts because that's what they do.
A kinder gentler world wide web.
And how would they know? Would one advertise he/she is a pervert? 'Hey... I'm looking for a job here but I'm a pervert so I suppose you won't want to hire me?'
Where I'm getting at is, if you fear bullies and pervs - they can be anywhere (web and reality) and we are non the wiser. But you said yourself that they HIDE behind the web and the self help sites.
Though I still don't know that BCBS is as it just came out of the blue.
it means everyone must do the same. Why must you be anonymous to say what you just said?
Same as signing a petition, carrying a sign, standing up for what you believe ...
stand behind your words they are your beliefs.
ALL WEB SITE ADMINISTRATORS SHALL HAVE A CONTACT NUMBER OR E-MAIL ADDRESS POSTED FOR SUCH REMOVAL REQUESTS, CLEARLY VISIBLE IN ANY SECTIONS WHERE COMMENTS ARE POSTED.
...
That is the gist of the Bill.
This means that all I have to do is contact Kat or Sea and tell them to remove a post I find to be offensive or have the poster's identity revealed to me.
Again... opinion is subjective and it is placing a lot of responsibility and accountability on the Web Admins and opening up a giant can of legal worms if contact is made in the real world because they disclosed the Name and Home Address of a member.
Hail, Hail!!!
I'd like to think that schools don't hire perverts, either, but reality has shattered that illusion for me. The truth is that the professional you see in person, the professional on a respected website, and the pervert lurking on a message board can all be the same person.
But putting perverts off to the side for a moment, let's say that you post on here that you're going on vacation next week and have to take your dog to a kennel because you don't have anyone around to stop by the house and watchi it for you while you're away. The next day someone takes offense to something you posted and your name is up on that message board for anyone to see. All it takes is for someone to get curious about what else you've posted and find your post about your vacation and they'll know that you're not going to be home for a week and nobody is checking on your house. It was safe to post that when you were anonymous because nobody knew who you were. Yes, I understand that you use your real name on here, but you don't use your full name. Very few people do. There's a reason for that. If this bill were to pass, some of the things you've posted in this thread could be grounds for forcing you to either give up your freedom of speech (the government forcing a website to remove your words is a violation of your right to free speech since it is not the website owner's choice at that point) or reveal your name to everyone whether you want to or not. You would be force to decide which right is more important to you: free speech or privacy. It doesn't matter that you didn't intend your words to be hurtful because someone else could take them as hurtful and baseless.
I'm not anonymous here at all. It shows when I'm online, I have had many pm discussions with people here using my real name, I list my city, and I've bought stuff from people here who all know my full name, address and phone number. And 10C has all my personal info as well.
But there are still many many reasons for people to want to be anonymous... frankly, it's none of your or anyone else's business why people want to be anonymous (for all the thousands of different reasons individuals may have), as long as they're not doing anything illegal.
The World Wide Web is a reflection of ourselves, we make it what it is, You want to change the Web and make it 'kinder', we start by fixing ourselves, and in turn the Web will reflect that.
Not by silly laws that does nothing to remedy the issues of the heart where the disease is. You can't 'force' people to be good, it has the complete opposite effect when you 'force' it.
In the same way, you can't really make someone love you, I mean you can buy them things, lie to them to make them think you have things in common, then maybe even end up getting married, but in reality, it's not real. It's a lie.
It's trickery, an illusion, It is The Matrix! You want to be in the Matrix Pandora? Go Take the blue pill ('g under p' got me thinking about that movie right now with his post
The 'Why'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_PFZ92dMys
(Starts around 1:05)
Thank you... Words of sense from the world of Reality.
Stop hatred, prejudice, racism, nationalism, religion, greed, envy and hunger in the Real World and the InterNet will follow suit.
Hail, Hail!!!
Tell it it the the good politician who is being wrongly accused bad mouthed during a race...
total untruth with no recourse by an anonymous person.
I think it might be that person's business or the person who is being cyber bullied.
There is no good reason as I see it to need to be anonymous.
You say as long as they are not doing any thing illegal ...
this is exactly why we need a law like this to protect.
Because people are doing illegal things in the veil of anonymity.
And this for people who otherwise would not if their name was up there and they had accountability for their actions. :fp:
What illegal things are people doing online and getting away with thanks to their anonymity? Being mean isn't illegal. I assume you know that, so what laws are people breaking that they wouldn't if they were forced to reveal their names?
I'm also still not sure how this law is practical given that wifi access allows people to use the Internet without having their own Internet service at home.
I think some people will not learn by example. Some people need laws to show them
what good behavior is.
I speak of love always and believe in the power. I also believe in the opposite power.
And it is this that which lurks in anonymity. Just as it lurks in crime of opportunity.
How did that girl get abducted by the side of the road when her car broke down?
Was that just chance or was that just the regular person with opportunity
to do something very evil and took it... knowing they would not get caught.
It is because we can't fix everyone is why we need laws. And always will.
Think of the web as that dark road at night ...
Okay, whatever. I know that you think there is no good reason to be anonymous... you're just wrong.
The Taliban has many laws that show people how to behave properly.