As some of you may have already noticed, I'm sometimes a sucker for the English language.
I find the etymology of 'bully' quite ironic.
bully (n.)
1530s, originally "sweetheart," applied to either sex, from Du. boel "lover, brother," probably dim. of M.H.G. buole "brother," of uncertain origin (cf. Ger. buhle "lover"). Meaning deteriorated 17c. through "fine fellow," "blusterer," to "harasser of the weak" (1680s, from bully-ruffian, 1650s). Perhaps this was by influence of bull (n.1), but a connecting sense between "lover" and "ruffian" may be in "protector of a prostitute," which was one sense of bully (though not specifically attested until 1706). The verb is first attested 1710. The expression meaning "worthy, jolly, admirable" (esp. in 1864 U.S. slang bully for you!) is first attested 1680s, and preserves an earlier, positive sense of the word.
And why this talk of bullying? Bullying is a persistent behaviour (whether spoken or written word or physical actions) - not a one off thing. Someone posting a comment offending your sensitivity does not constitute bullying though, depending on content, could be libel/slander (or assault if physical). There are laws already against that. Also, there are no legal definitions of 'bullying' - this for a reason - it's all subjective. So, bearing that in mind, and since this bill is basically forcing someone to post private details if a person does not like what you have written ONCE, it will not do anything for bullying. And it is wrong to 'promote' the bill in this way. It's obvious what it is for. Curbing freedom of speech being one of the 'drawbacks'. And yes, it does affect free speech and right to privacy. I don't like what you say, I demand you 'remove' your remark OR publish all your personal details (For what? So I can send the 'heavies' around?). A choice? Hmmm... between your right to free speech and your right to privacy. Wow.... good going Government!
This post is not in response to anyone - I'm just making an observation which does not require any response/discussion. I'm not debating, just putting some thoughts together.
And no, I'm not a cold-hearted bitch though if you feel better about thinking of me that way, it's no skin off my nose.
Do you think are guidelines are unfair here?
Do you feel we are without freedoms here?
Do you think our freedom of speech is compromised by the rules here?
Do you feel this site has responsibilities in that they should have protective guidelines?
The guidelines imposed by individual site administrators means it is not subjective.
It has a definition of what is considered inappropriate behavior like we have here.
This is what the proposal is providing asking of, for all sites.
The whole proposal formed so far has way too many subjective holes in it doesn't and won't hold any water to curb cyberbullying.
The thing is g under p, this type of behaviour is already curbed in so many ways if one really wants to 'deal with it', either from 'within' one's self or, via the terms & conditions of the ISPs, sites, etc. Can be even be progressed up to formal complaints (ie involving police) and all.... Plenty of recourse. You said it yourself: .."until Imade it stop."
I know I was bullied for a year in Junior High and it never stopped till I made it stop.
This is what it's all about. Doing something proactive about it ourselves. That stops bullying, standing up for ourselves, showing self-respect. Pushing mandated cyber laws is a weak and illogical attempt at addressing the issue.
The thing is g under p, this type of behaviour is already curbed in so many ways if one really wants to 'deal with it', either from 'within' one's self or, via the terms & conditions of the ISPs, sites, etc. Can be even be progressed up to formal complaints (ie involving police) and all.... Plenty of recourse. You said it yourself: .."until Imade it stop."
Curbed no it is escalating!
Not all sites are protecting against cyber bullying why we still have the problem.
It is important to understand and feel what others are experiencing right this moment
this while you are claiming the problem is under control and dismissing their victimization
by saying they must handle it themselves.
The offenders need to stop then there is nothing for victims to handle. STOP THE HATE
The website administrators under the law will provide guidelines to control bullying like we have here and will decide what is deemed inappropriate, like we have here.
We enjoy a website that is victim free, is it too much to ask that that be the same for all?
Why no answers to my previous questions? I've asked many of many here about our site
and if we are happy with how it is run. No answers. I assume we are happy with it, that
the guidelines are acceptable and does not effect any freedoms or rights.
This proposal is requesting the same by law. The same for all.
this while you are claiming the problem is under control and dismissing their victimization
by saying they must handle it themselves.
Though I did say I wasn't going to continue responding, I will not let this go as you are putting words in my mouth - your words. Read again and try to understand the written word. No such claim made (even if you think you demonstrated this by highlighting part of my post in red). Check out definitions of certain words - open up a dictionary if necessary.
Now it's from me. Muddle on to your heart's content.
I know I was bullied for a year in Junior High and it never stopped till I made it stop.
This is what it's all about. Doing something proactive about it ourselves. That stops bullying, standing up for ourselves, showing self-respect. Pushing mandated cyber laws is a weak and illogical attempt at addressing the issue.
Laws are to protect ... we need them!
You Jeanwah are under the mistaken belief that victims are weak and have no self respect.
This is not true and really shows an extreme bias of people in general.
It shows a judgmental attitude of somehow being better than those
who fall victim to another through no fault of their own.
When one is being victimized it takes daily strength to fight back,
more strength than many who are never challenged this way.
You didn't answer my question ...
Is your opinion the same for children of bullying?
And do you feel then no future laws are needed to help with environmental problems?
That being onlyproactive individually solves problems globally?
Cyber bullying is an everybody problem just like the environment or any other problem
facing our world. Until people like you stop dismissing it, it will remain a serious problem.
It is based in hate, it is crippling, it spreads like a cancer on society
and it needs to have an end to it.
this while you are claiming the problem is under control and dismissing their victimization
by saying they must handle it themselves.
Though I did say I wasn't going to continue responding, I will not let this go as you are putting words in my mouth - your words. Read again and try to understand the written word. No such claim made (even if you think you demonstrated this by highlighting part of my post in red). Check out definitions of certain words - open up a dictionary if necessary.
Now it's from me. Muddle on to your heart's content.
why don't you answer questions asked of you to clarify ?
speaking of muddling :?
you agreed with "until I made it stop" yes?
that seems like you are putting bullying on the victims shoulders ... yes?
Ironically that is exactly what this proposal does,
it empowers and allows victims to request an administrator review
a post, like we have here and deem if it is offensive, like we have here
on sites that do not have this luxury.
I must assume that you are happy with our site here, though you will not respond,
so I see in some regards you agree with the law.
I know I was bullied for a year in Junior High and it never stopped till I made it stop.
This is what it's all about. Doing something proactive about it ourselves. That stops bullying, standing up for ourselves, showing self-respect. Pushing mandated cyber laws is a weak and illogical attempt at addressing the issue.
Laws are to protect ... we need them!
You Jeanwah are under the mistaken belief that victims are weak and have no self respect.
This is not true and really shows an extreme bias of people in general.
It shows a judgmental attitude of somehow being better than those
who fall victim to another through no fault of their own.
When one is being victimized it takes daily strength to fight back,
more strength than many who are never challenged this way.
You didn't answer my question ...
Is your opinion the same for children of bullying?
And do you feel then no future laws are needed to help with environmental problems?
That being onlyproactive individually solves problems globally?
Cyber bullying is an everybody problem just like the environment or any other problem
facing our world. Until people like you stop dismissing it, it will remain a serious problem.
It is based in hate, it is crippling, it spreads like a cancer on society
and it needs to have an end to it.
Stop the hate.
Stop the hate yourself. Stop being a victim. Don't like it? Don't be a victim. If you're offended, I don't care! You control all of those offensive comments in your head. Start being proactive and start actually being a positive person instead of the negative one you are. YOU stop the hate!
markin ball... that is a very sad story. This is school bullying. It would seem that adults had an incline as to what was happening, so did classmates (and obviously his family). I'm sure the bullies are known as they are also part of the school. The school declined to comment - would be interesting to know what they had done (or not) to help the boy. Again, so much in place to deal with this, but the ball needs to get rolling to start with.
Your example, whilst tragic, has nothing to do with the bill being proposed. This kind of bullying is dealt with in a very different manner than cyber bullying.
Stop the hate yourself. Stop being a victim. Don't like it? Don't be a victim. If you're offended, I don't care! You control all of those offensive comments in your head. Start being proactive and start actually being a positive person instead of the negative one you are. YOU stop the hate!
I'm not a victim and you even assuming I am
shows how you do not understand this problem at all.
It is another sign of bias and judgment both of which are obvious and very negative. Counterproductive to learning about the problem and fixing it.
Somehow you have in your head people here could be victims of cyber bullying on this site. We are not, could not
we have guidleines and rules here that keep that from happening. Others do not!
You are making this about me it is about cyber bully victims which I am not. :fp:
I am working hard to Stop the Hate am in the champaign and understand
why we need it.
markin ball... that is a very sad story. This is school bullying. It would seem that adults had an incline as to what was happening, so did classmates (and obviously his family). I'm sure the bullies are known as they are also part of the school. The school declined to comment - would be interesting to know what they had done (or not) to help the boy. Again, so much in place to deal with this, but the ball needs to get rolling to start with.
Your example, whilst tragic, has nothing to do with the bill being proposed. This kind of bullying is dealt with in a very different manner than cyber bullying.
It has very much to do with it. Children are dying because of cyber bullying too...
is that tragic also or is that the victims fault?
Is that dismissible because somehow you might have to give something up?
Which you don't ... you, I, nobody gives up a damn thing with this proposal.
It is trying to bring the same type of guidelines
we enjoy in a private club to sites that have none.
It is fair and just and will help thousands, millions of future victims.
From the link it looks like happy child ... I will google it slips away ...
why do I get the naughty teacher? I would laugh here but naughty teachers ....
I have read so many stories in my research, heartbreaking, shed many tears
and for those left behind, the parents, the siblings, the grandparents.
To think our world can do this to a child.
While we do get that break from this forum maybe some of us can do some more research, study and find sources. Then come back with a new angle on all of this and we can start anewwith this crusade of internet cyberbullying.
Maybe said in some kind of jest but it may not be a bad idea as bullying is an important issue - just not relevant to the bill mentioned in the OP, though the thread seems to have completely digressed to bullying. Shame really because some very pertinent points were made before this free-fall!
I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.
Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )
Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
Maybe said in some kind of jest but it may not be a bad idea as bullying is an important issue - just not relevant to the bill mentioned in the OP, though the thread seems to have completely digressed to bullying. Shame really because some very pertinent points were made before this free-fall!
I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.
Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )
Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
Do we think one person runs this debate?
If there are other features to this bill then debate them :fp:
The proposal is about cyber bullying why it was created by the creator.
You can see that in many articles on line.
The OP's article wishes to paint a different light then many I read
but it is clear the wishes that were intended in the bill.
The leaning articles can be read both ways but it is all about cyber bullying....
Ah politics gotta love the set backs it causes for solving real life suffering.
Maybe said in some kind of jest but it may not be a bad idea as bullying is an important issue - just not relevant to the bill mentioned in the OP, though the thread seems to have completely digressed to bullying. Shame really because some very pertinent points were made before this free-fall!
I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.
Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )
Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
Do we think one person runs this debate?
If there are other features to this bill then debate them :fp:
The proposal is about cyber bullying why it was created by the creator.
You can see that in many articles on line.
The OP's article wishes to paint a different light then many I read
but it is clear the wishes that were intended in the bill.
The leaning articles can be read both ways but it is all about cyber bullying....
Ah politics gotta love the set backs it causes for solving real life suffering.
While we do get that break from this forum maybe some of us can do some more research, study and find sources. Then come back with a new angle on all of this and we can start anewwith this crusade of internet cyberbullying.
Maybe said in some kind of jest but it may not be a bad idea as bullying is an important issue - just not relevant to the bill mentioned in the OP, though the thread seems to have completely digressed to bullying. Shame really because some very pertinent points were made before this free-fall!
I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.
Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )
Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
Agree 100%. This bullying stuff is way off the track of what this thread was supposed To be about. We could just ignore the constant redirect ions to the bullying issue though, and carry on the convo about this legislation and what it's really about, because as a certain someone said, that same someone can't govern the thread unless we let her ... I see it as an attack on people and the press who want to expose politicians for what they really are. And these politicians would rather save their own egos than maintain the integrity of our rghts to express ourselves without recrimination. And that is horrendous to me.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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what subjective holes?
same as we have here?
Do you feel we are without freedoms here?
Do you think our freedom of speech is compromised by the rules here?
Do you feel this site has responsibilities in that they should have protective guidelines?
The guidelines imposed by individual site administrators means it is not subjective.
It has a definition of what is considered inappropriate behavior like we have here.
This is what the proposal is providing asking of, for all sites.
The thing is g under p, this type of behaviour is already curbed in so many ways if one really wants to 'deal with it', either from 'within' one's self or, via the terms & conditions of the ISPs, sites, etc. Can be even be progressed up to formal complaints (ie involving police) and all.... Plenty of recourse. You said it yourself: .."until I made it stop."
Depends what she does to/for you....
This is what it's all about. Doing something proactive about it ourselves. That stops bullying, standing up for ourselves, showing self-respect. Pushing mandated cyber laws is a weak and illogical attempt at addressing the issue.
Curbed no it is escalating!
Not all sites are protecting against cyber bullying why we still have the problem.
It is important to understand and feel what others are experiencing right this moment
this while you are claiming the problem is under control and dismissing their victimization
by saying they must handle it themselves.
The offenders need to stop then there is nothing for victims to handle.
STOP THE HATE
The website administrators under the law will provide guidelines to control bullying like we have here and will decide what is deemed inappropriate, like we have here.
We enjoy a website that is victim free, is it too much to ask that that be the same for all?
Why no answers to my previous questions? I've asked many of many here about our site
and if we are happy with how it is run. No answers. I assume we are happy with it, that
the guidelines are acceptable and does not effect any freedoms or rights.
This proposal is requesting the same by law. The same for all.
Though I did say I wasn't going to continue responding, I will not let this go as you are putting words in my mouth - your words. Read again and try to understand the written word. No such claim made (even if you think you demonstrated this by highlighting part of my post in red). Check out definitions of certain words - open up a dictionary if necessary.
Now it's
You Jeanwah are under the mistaken belief that victims are weak and have no self respect.
This is not true and really shows an extreme bias of people in general.
It shows a judgmental attitude of somehow being better than those
who fall victim to another through no fault of their own.
When one is being victimized it takes daily strength to fight back,
more strength than many who are never challenged this way.
You didn't answer my question ...
Is your opinion the same for children of bullying?
And do you feel then no future laws are needed to help with environmental problems?
That being only proactive individually solves problems globally?
Cyber bullying is an everybody problem just like the environment or any other problem
facing our world. Until people like you stop dismissing it, it will remain a serious problem.
It is based in hate, it is crippling, it spreads like a cancer on society
and it needs to have an end to it.
Stop the hate.
why don't you answer questions asked of you to clarify ?
speaking of muddling :?
you agreed with "until I made it stop" yes?
that seems like you are putting bullying on the victims shoulders ... yes?
Ironically that is exactly what this proposal does,
it empowers and allows victims to request an administrator review
a post, like we have here and deem if it is offensive, like we have here
on sites that do not have this luxury.
I must assume that you are happy with our site here, though you will not respond,
so I see in some regards you agree with the law.
Stop the hate yourself. Stop being a victim. Don't like it? Don't be a victim. If you're offended, I don't care! You control all of those offensive comments in your head. Start being proactive and start actually being a positive person instead of the negative one you are. YOU stop the hate!
I'm on Pandora's team now. Stop the hate!
If only these bullies could be identified...this could have been prevented.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
"Teacher of the Year' winner accused of sending nude photos to student
Your example, whilst tragic, has nothing to do with the bill being proposed. This kind of bullying is dealt with in a very different manner than cyber bullying.
shows how you do not understand this problem at all.
It is another sign of bias and judgment both of which are obvious and very negative.
Counterproductive to learning about the problem and fixing it.
Somehow you have in your head people here could be victims of cyber bullying on this site.
We are not, could not
we have guidleines and rules here that keep that from happening. Others do not!
You are making this about me it is about cyber bully victims which I am not. :fp:
I am working hard to Stop the Hate am in the champaign and understand
why we need it.
is that tragic also or is that the victims fault?
Is that dismissible because somehow you might have to give something up?
Which you don't ... you, I, nobody gives up a damn thing with this proposal.
It is trying to bring the same type of guidelines
we enjoy in a private club to sites that have none.
It is fair and just and will help thousands, millions of future victims.
From the link it looks like happy child ... I will google it slips away ...
why do I get the naughty teacher? I would laugh here but naughty teachers ....
I have read so many stories in my research, heartbreaking, shed many tears
and for those left behind, the parents, the siblings, the grandparents.
To think our world can do this to a child.
Stop the Hate.
I would say that cyber bullying and 'real life' bullying (whether in school, at the workplace, in care homes, domestically, etc.) could each warrant their own thread as they are two very different things tackled in two very different ways.
Yes - one needs to properly research what cyber/'real life' bullying is, how it happens, the impact (negative or positive), what is already in place to identify the bullying and to 'take care' of it (from the 'victim' dealing with it him/herself to prosecution). There are firmly established protocols for this (within the law, the workplace, the school, on the internet etc.) - debatable whether they are known, cared to be followed, etc. Certainly the school I worked in had very clear procedures empowering the person being bullied and his/her parents if needed. Start a thread that is rational and informed - no soapbox, no pathos, no histrionics (though somehow, I think that may be wishful thinking - unfortunately :( )
Again - a thought. Not really part of this 'debate' (which only has a few more hours of shelf life, hopefully).
If there are other features to this bill then debate them :fp:
The proposal is about cyber bullying why it was created by the creator.
You can see that in many articles on line.
The OP's article wishes to paint a different light then many I read
but it is clear the wishes that were intended in the bill.
The leaning articles can be read both ways but it is all about cyber bullying....
Ah politics gotta love the set backs it causes for solving real life suffering.
and it is all about...
Stop the Hate.
Also important to stop the blind faith.
but that band rocks thanks for reminding me!
It's a great way to start my day
to fight cyber bullying
http://verdict.justia.com/2012/06/01/ho ... erbullying
Included are bullying of one business to another, basically trying to discredit competition.
Doesn't seem to be a problem of big bad politicians at all.
I think the original article leaned towards that fear...
most do not.