"My son died this way to shed light on the issue," DeDelley told reporters. "I'm not stigmatizing mental issues. If he's doing well in a controlled environment with regularly administrated medications leave him there ... but freedom for him? I don't think that should ever be an option."
Given Canada's laws, I'm with the mom on this. That poor woman, and her son.
That was heart wrenching to read ... her insight and just plain good common sense
so inspirational amidst this heinous event to live in...
she will live in this the rest of her days.
I am glad you quoted it again.
It should be all the answer anyone needs on any freedom jaunts for this murderer.
I have problems with torture and don't think it should be used.
so you don't think drowning someone is torture?
I understand that this was a very gruesome crime but we must remember that this was found not be medical responsible for this crime.
the 2 real shames of this crime was how this person feel through the cracks of our supports systems and that this person was killed.
I guess you do have a point there. How about I just leak carbon monoxide into their cell as they sleep?
:geek:
In all seriousness though, I would not allow a person who did something like this reintroduced into society. That's a 90 year game misconduct at a minimum.
....peoples...in Canada our justice system is based on rehabilitation more than punishment...even some 1st degree killers get out at some point.
you may not like it...but that's how it is and there are very few if any places in Canada that I would not venture into...can you Americans say the same thing?
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I have problems with torture and don't think it should be used.[/quote]
so you don't think drowning someone is torture?
I understand that this was a very gruesome crime but we must remember that this was found not be medical responsible for this crime.
the 2 real shames of this crime was how this person feel through the cracks of our supports systems and that this person was killed.[/quote]
I guess you do have a point there. How about I just leak carbon monoxide into their cell as they sleep?
:geek:
In all seriousness though, I would not allow a person who did something like this reintroduced into society. That's a 90 year game misconduct at a minimum.[/quote]
while I understand the point that people are making here. I do believe that the reason we have laws like this is that we believe that a person can't be found to be guilty of something which they had no control.
for example I remember meeting someone who as a very young kid had killed his infant brother by beating him. the court found that this kid was able to determine that he was wrong and felt that he should be put into a hospital.
the kids now much older is now out of the hospital and is living a productive life. We must understand that this person was very sick.
I should also say that they are not saying that he is going to be released into the society as a free person but will have people with him at all times.
....peoples...in Canada our justice system is based on rehabilitation more than punishment...even some 1st degree killers get out at some point.
you may not like it...but that's how it is and there are very few if any places in Canada that I would not venture into...can you Americans say the same thing?
Has nothing to do with punishment and everything to do with keeping people like this guy away from people who don't murder and eat other people.
He's mentally ill...when taking his meds he probably be ok. I really don't think Canada needs to explain its justice system to Americans. Like i said you can go pretty well any where you want in Canada and probably be safe. The same can't be said for America.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
do you people really think the doctors are taking this lightly? this happened near where I live, and when it happened it fucking horrified me. I actually had a bit of a nervous breakdown over it. It didn't seem real.
I find it extremely disturbing that people label mental illness as "evil". It's not fucking evil. It's an illness, like a bad heart. He had a bad brain that made him do horrific things to Tim McLean. I can't imagine his mother's anger at the courts. Of course she's not going to say "well, as long as he takes his pills, let him go to Wal Mart". But come on, as polaris stated, he was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness. that illness is being treated. being found NOT GUILTY means he shouldn't be locked up when he is all better and is found to be responsible with his medication. weekly visits by a mental health professional should be mandatory, but we're not there yet.
fear gets you nowhere. if this guy's on his meds, I have no issue with him being in the community.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I personally wasn't challenging Canada's justice system at all. I was not generalizing
only speaking on this case, this man.
I think everyone can agree he is not your run of the mill paranoid schizophrenic nor
is his crime.
Perhaps everyone agrees this man needs to stay in the mental facility but what was in question
was should the Docs be able to allow him jaunts.
In my opinion, no. That for me is crazy talk.
He is and always will be too dangerous. After displaying this level of violence
in a psychotic state no one should be able to make a decision to risk more loss
of human life by allowing freedoms, however small.
Lock and key for this maniac.
maniac - an insane person, wildly disordered; "a maniacal frenzy" afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement
a person who has an excessive enthusiasm or desire for something
I guess what is the joke is that anyone would even consider allowing him the even outside
chance of finding another victim.
Sometimes I think these docs have huge egos or something
Hey if the guy is cured the doctor should take him on a picnic with his own family to celebrate.
it's interesting you say that, because one of the doctors said just that, he'd be more than comfortable having him over to his house for a visit.
wow. you canadians are a friendly and forgiving lot i give you that. maybe invite jeffrey dahmer over for a bite and a bit of a party but i think he's been shanked to death in some prison.
it is a fact... canadians are very kind loving people. this my experience and many, many millions of people from around the world. however, ya can't coddle bunk ass bullshit evil behavior. this fuckin guy should not be picnicing in the park and prancing around downtown whathaveyou, canada. but what the fuck ever. when he fucks shit up it'll be on canada's shoulders.
plus.... beings canada is concerned about everyones safety and well-being
what about this maniacs safety and well-being? is it safe for this guy to be able to walk the streets with a guard and a hospital worker/doctor or whomever?
not one swingin john would like to see him offed?
maybe that is canada's plan. take the guy for a stroll... someone takes him out.
end of story
do not tell me it couldn't happen because even a canadian can be willing to pull a trigger or whatever to rid bunk ass bullshit from the streets
put this dude in a prison in general population in a nasty prison in california. he may do very well. then again he may end up like jeffrey dahmer
everyone says Canadians are nicer than everyone else. I don't know if you can lump a country into one hole of a trait, kinda like saying all Americans are egotistical or all Australians are surfers. Because not everyone is on board with giving this guy freedom, let me tell you, it has polarized the nation.
And it's not about forgiveness, it's about understanding the difference between mental illness and downright psychotic episodes with homicidal tendencies. Vince Li didn't premeditate this. It took him months to even realize what he had done. He had uncontrollable voices in his head telling him he'd be protecting everyone else by killing Tim McLean.
You can't say "well this is a different kind of scizophrenia, he needs to be locked up". It's not a different kind, it's just a different degree. Some people you may know have it and function very well in society, and to the other extreme you have Vince Li. The doctors have been monitoring him extremely closely and they believe that he is responding extremely well to medication and therapy, so what's the point of permanent incarceration? isn't our justice system about rehabilitation as much as it is accountability? since he was held not mentally accountable for the crime, if he is rehabilitated, then there's no reason to keep him in.
I don't think he should ever be truly free. Like I said before, he needs to be monitored to make sure he's taking his meds and isn't experiencing any setbacks.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy
this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy
this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy
I don't mean to be condescending here, but it would greatly benefit you to read up on mental illness, it's causes, and therapies.
a malfunctioning brain is no different than any other sick organ. it needs medical attention, and yes, it can be repaired.
and please, folks, stop turning this into one nation vs the next. this has nothing to do with america being better than canada or the reverse. arguments such as this in any context don't make any sense to me.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Why is it so hard for some of you to realize he suffers from an illness of the brain that can be corrected according to his doctors. I'm quite confident that his doctors are taking his case seriously and are not making recommendations lightly.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Why is it so hard for some of you to realize he suffers from an illness of the brain that can be corrected according to his doctors. I'm quite confident that his doctors are taking his case seriously and are not making recommendations lightly.
exactly.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Why is it so hard for some of you to realize he suffers from an illness of the brain that can be corrected according to his doctors. I'm quite confident that his doctors are taking his case seriously and are not making recommendations lightly.
exactly.
and maybe i was wrong when saying he deserves to be in a wooden box placed in a cold dark hole
i admit i may be extremely off base with that comment
this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy
You'd take a country that executes innocent and mentally incapable people over countries that try and rehabilitate...
Well, to each is own.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
this guy is holy crap crazy only thing crazier is thinking he belongs anywhere near innocent people
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy
You'd take a country that executes innocent and mentally incapable people over countries that try and rehabilitate...
Well, to each is own.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
mental illness can be fixed no one is sayin it can't but this maniac whether he can or not
he's gotta stay locked up he is to dangerous to people
cripes! he ate a person wtf
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so inspirational amidst this heinous event to live in...
she will live in this the rest of her days.
I am glad you quoted it again.
It should be all the answer anyone needs on any freedom jaunts for this murderer.
Done and done.
so you have no problem in torturing I see.
I understand that this was a very gruesome crime but we must remember that this was found not be medical responsible for this crime.
the 2 real shames of this crime was how this person feel through the cracks of our supports systems and that this person was killed.
:geek:
In all seriousness though, I would not allow a person who did something like this reintroduced into society. That's a 90 year game misconduct at a minimum.
you may not like it...but that's how it is and there are very few if any places in Canada that I would not venture into...can you Americans say the same thing?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
so you don't think drowning someone is torture?
I understand that this was a very gruesome crime but we must remember that this was found not be medical responsible for this crime.
the 2 real shames of this crime was how this person feel through the cracks of our supports systems and that this person was killed.[/quote]
I guess you do have a point there. How about I just leak carbon monoxide into their cell as they sleep?
:geek:
In all seriousness though, I would not allow a person who did something like this reintroduced into society. That's a 90 year game misconduct at a minimum.[/quote]
while I understand the point that people are making here. I do believe that the reason we have laws like this is that we believe that a person can't be found to be guilty of something which they had no control.
for example I remember meeting someone who as a very young kid had killed his infant brother by beating him. the court found that this kid was able to determine that he was wrong and felt that he should be put into a hospital.
the kids now much older is now out of the hospital and is living a productive life. We must understand that this person was very sick.
I should also say that they are not saying that he is going to be released into the society as a free person but will have people with him at all times.
+1000
Mental health is a very serious issue that most people just make fun of.
I deal with alot of people dealing with mental health issues and I can tell you that the treatment that many get are really bad.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
+1
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
it's interesting you say that, because one of the doctors said just that, he'd be more than comfortable having him over to his house for a visit.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I find it extremely disturbing that people label mental illness as "evil". It's not fucking evil. It's an illness, like a bad heart. He had a bad brain that made him do horrific things to Tim McLean. I can't imagine his mother's anger at the courts. Of course she's not going to say "well, as long as he takes his pills, let him go to Wal Mart". But come on, as polaris stated, he was found not criminally responsible due to mental illness. that illness is being treated. being found NOT GUILTY means he shouldn't be locked up when he is all better and is found to be responsible with his medication. weekly visits by a mental health professional should be mandatory, but we're not there yet.
fear gets you nowhere. if this guy's on his meds, I have no issue with him being in the community.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
only speaking on this case, this man.
I think everyone can agree he is not your run of the mill paranoid schizophrenic nor
is his crime.
Perhaps everyone agrees this man needs to stay in the mental facility but what was in question
was should the Docs be able to allow him jaunts.
In my opinion, no. That for me is crazy talk.
He is and always will be too dangerous. After displaying this level of violence
in a psychotic state no one should be able to make a decision to risk more loss
of human life by allowing freedoms, however small.
Lock and key for this maniac.
maniac - an insane person, wildly disordered; "a maniacal frenzy"
afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement
a person who has an excessive enthusiasm or desire for something
I guess what is the joke is that anyone would even consider allowing him the even outside
chance of finding another victim.
it is a fact... canadians are very kind loving people. this my experience and many, many millions of people from around the world. however, ya can't coddle bunk ass bullshit evil behavior. this fuckin guy should not be picnicing in the park and prancing around downtown whathaveyou, canada. but what the fuck ever. when he fucks shit up it'll be on canada's shoulders.
plus.... beings canada is concerned about everyones safety and well-being
what about this maniacs safety and well-being? is it safe for this guy to be able to walk the streets with a guard and a hospital worker/doctor or whomever?
not one swingin john would like to see him offed?
maybe that is canada's plan. take the guy for a stroll... someone takes him out.
end of story
do not tell me it couldn't happen because even a canadian can be willing to pull a trigger or whatever to rid bunk ass bullshit from the streets
put this dude in a prison in general population in a nasty prison in california. he may do very well. then again he may end up like jeffrey dahmer
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
And it's not about forgiveness, it's about understanding the difference between mental illness and downright psychotic episodes with homicidal tendencies. Vince Li didn't premeditate this. It took him months to even realize what he had done. He had uncontrollable voices in his head telling him he'd be protecting everyone else by killing Tim McLean.
You can't say "well this is a different kind of scizophrenia, he needs to be locked up". It's not a different kind, it's just a different degree. Some people you may know have it and function very well in society, and to the other extreme you have Vince Li. The doctors have been monitoring him extremely closely and they believe that he is responding extremely well to medication and therapy, so what's the point of permanent incarceration? isn't our justice system about rehabilitation as much as it is accountability? since he was held not mentally accountable for the crime, if he is rehabilitated, then there's no reason to keep him in.
I don't think he should ever be truly free. Like I said before, he needs to be monitored to make sure he's taking his meds and isn't experiencing any setbacks.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I'll take America any day if this is how they handle bat shit crazy in other countries too lenient
and no can't rehabilitate this crazy not this is crazy
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I don't mean to be condescending here, but it would greatly benefit you to read up on mental illness, it's causes, and therapies.
a malfunctioning brain is no different than any other sick organ. it needs medical attention, and yes, it can be repaired.
and please, folks, stop turning this into one nation vs the next. this has nothing to do with america being better than canada or the reverse. arguments such as this in any context don't make any sense to me.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
exactly.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
i admit i may be extremely off base with that comment
i bow out of this debate
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Well, to each is own.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
he's gotta stay locked up he is to dangerous to people
cripes! he ate a person wtf