Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

brianlux

I'm surprised by the posts here that seem to claim (correct me if I'm wrong) that carrying a gun makes us more safe. America is full of guns and full of violence. Places like Canada and France where there are fewer guns have lower incidences of violence and fewer prisons and prisoners (per capita). All this talk about carrying guns just precipitates more violent thinking and more violence. You say, "Try walking around such-and-such a town without a gun!" I say, "Move!" If your town is that messed up why aggravate the situation by adding more guns to the scene? Besides, most violent crime is domestic. Most murders are domestic. Afraid of getting shot? Get a divorce. The one thing I have seen no one here to is prove that violence does not precipitate more violence. I'm not even going to bother to provide the statistics. They're easy to find. America has too many guns, too many prisons and too much violence (especially domestic violence) and it's all connected.

brianlux

Oh, and another thing. I carry a concealed fire extinguisher so look out people!

mikepegg44

brianlux wrote:

Oh, and another thing. I carry a concealed fire extinguisher so look out people!

those things are dangerous...

I don't know how anyone could argue that it definitively makes us as a whole more safe... One could argue it makes them more safe...

also Brian you may be happy to hear that we are all more safefrom violent crime...rates are dropping...it seems like as we add more and more people to this country ... those that wish others harm just cannot keep up

brianlux

mikepegg44 wrote:

also Brian you may be happy to hear that we are all more safe from violent crime...rates are dropping...it seems like as we add more and more people to this country ... those that wish others harm just cannot keep up

Oh I hope that is true! That's good to hear- I mean that crime rates are dropping, not that were adding more people to this country .

mikepegg44

brianlux wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

also Brian you may be happy to hear that we are all more safe from violent crime...rates are dropping...it seems like as we add more and more people to this country ... those that wish others harm just cannot keep up

Oh I hope that is true! That's good to hear- I mean that crime rates are dropping, not that were adding more people to this country .

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... 0tbl01.xls

it will show you both are happening...so you will be :arrow:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

mikepegg44 wrote:

again me being a dick but
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/workplace-acc ... d=10394717

alright "Richard", I'll rephrase and state that its intended purpose is not to protect yourself by harming others. is that better?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

what, if any, are the stats on gun ownership and/or conceal permit by:

1) state?
2) political affiliation?

just curious.

mikepegg44

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

again me being a dick but
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/workplace-acc ... d=10394717

alright "Richard", I'll rephrase and state that its intended purpose is not to protect yourself by harming others. is that better?

ok. I just thought the story was too good (in a morbid way of course) to not share.

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

so much for turning the other cheek and having faith in humanity, eh god lovers?

for shit's sake, "pull the trigger"??? Kill the bad guys before they get you seems to be the mantra of the day around the train.

us "God lovers" must be anoying you, you and the others can give your opinion on CWP or gun ownership in a million threads to come in a million ways but the fact still remains that we still have those rights given to us by God and our forefather's and the best part is....NOBODY WILL EVER TAKE IT AWAY because we are Americans and this counrty is full God Loving Honest and good people that know the importance of freedom and the rights we have as a God Loving free people and thats the bottom line.

Godfather.

you're not annoying me, I don't understand why you claim this and almost are proud of it. I simply think it's hypcritical. your friend there talks about nothing forgiveness and love and all that, but look at her posts, full of hate and anger and fear.

god didn't give you those rights. your government did 200 years ago because it was applicable at the time. I highly doubt that would have become law had they been able to see the cultural impact it would have in this place in time.

:think: o.k fair enuff, I'll say it this way, Jesus died for me and God gave me certin rights as a man.

200+ years ago thimes were much more at a boiling point with the war to gain our freedom from across the pond then there were land grants that sparked off some conflict,there was a slavery issue that was dividing our country and the rail roads were buying up as much land as possible and those that did not sell were greeted with violence and forced off their property or killed and thru it all gus were the great equlizer.
I just don't understand why our crime and violance is blamed on guns ? it's messed up people that cause the problem not the guns.

Godfather.

Halifax2TheMax

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

what, if any, are the stats on gun ownership and/or conceal permit by:

1) state?
2) political affiliation?

just curious.

These links might help:

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... s-arrested

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... e-us-state

Peace.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

200+ years ago thimes were much more at a boiling point with the war to gain our freedom from across the pond then there were land grants that sparked off some conflict,there was a slavery issue that was dividing our country and the rail roads were buying up as much land as possible and those that did not sell were greeted with violence and forced off their property or killed and thru it all gus were the great equlizer.
I just don't understand why our crime and violance is blamed on guns ? it's messed up people that cause the problem not the guns.

Godfather.

because I believe guns make the violence easier to achieve, no matter if you are on the "good" side or the "bad" side.

USARAY

Drowned Out wrote:

Too bad you didn't learn to use punctuation long ago, cause I lost you after the crying and begging part
I was playing on pandora's words:

...and I stand by what I said in the rest of the post. If I was staring down the barrel of a glock, I sure as fuck wouldn't be very smart in reaching for a gun, would I? That would probably negate any chance I had of getting out of the situation without getting shot. If I wasn't staring down the barrel of a glock, that would mean I would have to be 'proactive' and draw first, right? I would never do that. Sorry if you think that makes me less of a man :roll:
And why do gun proponents so often feel the need to talk in sound bytes? Like they're cast in some b-list Western? You're a victim, I've got balls...Staring into the eyes of the other side of humanity....fighting back....pulling the trigger....parasites on humanity....rights given to us by God....good band together/justice will prevail blah blah blah......so weak:

too bad you can't read without a period at the end of a sentence bet you're great at puzzles
you didn't say what you would do maybe watch your woman get raped maybe stand there helpless
or watch your child get abducted before you get shot between the eyes ok you do that I will at least try to protect mine
yea that is less than a man who can not will not protect those depending on them
no western this is the world you will find out one day but i hope you don't have to watch
only the weak watch

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

200+ years ago thimes were much more at a boiling point with the war to gain our freedom from across the pond then there were land grants that sparked off some conflict,there was a slavery issue that was dividing our country and the rail roads were buying up as much land as possible and those that did not sell were greeted with violence and forced off their property or killed and thru it all gus were the great equlizer.
I just don't understand why our crime and violance is blamed on guns ? it's messed up people that cause the problem not the guns.

Godfather.

because I believe guns make the violence easier to achieve, no matter if you are on the "good" side or the "bad" side.

yea but so does money.

Godfather.

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

200+ years ago thimes were much more at a boiling point with the war to gain our freedom from across the pond then there were land grants that sparked off some conflict,there was a slavery issue that was dividing our country and the rail roads were buying up as much land as possible and those that did not sell were greeted with violence and forced off their property or killed and thru it all gus were the great equlizer.
I just don't understand why our crime and violance is blamed on guns ? it's messed up people that cause the problem not the guns.

Godfather.

because I believe guns make the violence easier to achieve, no matter if you are on the "good" side or the "bad" side.

yep take a noble stance and do your part so there is no violence but let law abiding citizens be preyed upon
no blood on your hands though oh no
lmao easier to achieve you sound like a f**kin wall street report people are dying but be sure you stay noble and allow the violence to continue wtf if you are a man this is a sorry ass situation

Jason P

I used to have a squirt gun that looked like this.



It ran on a couple batteries and kicked ass while it worked. I could probably rob an McDonalds with it nowadays.

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I knew someone was going to bring something like this up. a fire extinguisher DOES NOT have the possibility of harming oneself or others fatally. pretty big difference I'd say.

yeah looks to me like the point was it is protection like a gun logical good sense protection
why the comparison
you made the idiotic remark saying owning a gun means somebody is living in fear :roll:
the point was not that a fire extinguisher should be thought of as a weapon just protection
just like a gun but yeah over your head i guess

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

yep take a noble stance and do your part so there is no violence but let law abiding citizens be preyed upon
no blood on your hands though oh no
lmao easier to achieve you sound like a f**kin wall street report people are dying but be sure you stay noble and allow the violence to continue wtf if you are a man this is a sorry ass situation

yep, cause only a "real man" would carry a weapon. THUG LIFE!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

you made the idiotic remark saying owning a gun means somebody is living in fear :roll:

if someone holds a weapon for protection it is because they fear being hurt without it. it's pretty simple.

I wear a seatbelt because I fear dying in a car accident. However, if that seatbelt were also used to potentially hurt others, I wouldn't wear it. I probably would walk instead.

fear is an emotion that is built within us for survival. there's nothing WRONG with fear. it's how we react to it is what defines us.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

we allow any humans access to the same weapons that our police carry.

does that really make sense to you all?

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

yep take a noble stance and do your part so there is no violence but let law abiding citizens be preyed upon
no blood on your hands though oh no
lmao easier to achieve you sound like a f**kin wall street report people are dying but be sure you stay noble and allow the violence to continue wtf if you are a man this is a sorry ass situation

yep, cause only a "real man" would carry a weapon. THUG LIFE!

more like anti thug life
how will you protect your loved ones when that moment comes tell us your plan