Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

catefrances

hedonist wrote:

I hear ya, unsung.

And cate...I get where you're coming from too. I just can't dismiss the distinction between right and privilege though as I said before, both come with responsibility. What doesn't?

Having children - as many as one wants! - is a right. But sound judgment dictates that most people wouldn't / shouldn't ? exercise that right without taking stock of their ability to handle it and do right by that decision.

That's where I'm coming from...if that makes sense. (I'm still waking up and getting back into the workweek groove here )

i dont see having children as a right per se. i see it simply as biology. every animate thing on earth reproduces. we are able so we do. it isnt something you can really 'allow' you know what im saying? i do not believe it is something that should be infringed upon cause that just leads to some sort of huxleyian brave new world and who the fuck wants that? it simply is what it is and not really a good comparison imo.

hedonist

catefrances wrote:

hedonist wrote:

I hear ya, unsung.

And cate...I get where you're coming from too. I just can't dismiss the distinction between right and privilege though as I said before, both come with responsibility. What doesn't?

Having children - as many as one wants! - is a right. But sound judgment dictates that most people wouldn't / shouldn't ? exercise that right without taking stock of their ability to handle it and do right by that decision.

That's where I'm coming from...if that makes sense. (I'm still waking up and getting back into the workweek groove here )

i dont see having children as a right per se. i see it simply as biology. every animate thing on earth reproduces. we are able so we do. it isnt something you can really 'allow' you know what im saying? i do not believe it is something that should be infringed upon cause that just leads to some sort of huxleyian brave new world and who the fuck wants that? it simply is what it is and not really a good comparison imo.

I was talking more toward the responsibility angle, ie, hopefully using wisdom and forethought, and not just the "because I can" mentality, but fair enough. I gotcha.

unsung

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i believe that one of the reasons was to protect from the british soldiers. remember we had the right to not quarter them in our homes?

The Third Amendment has that language. Our Founding Fathers were trying to create a society of the people, not another version of a British royal monarchy. They wrote these documents to prevent FUTURE general governments from becoming the same, that's why we have checks and balances, that's why a President is not supposed to attack another nation without Congress declaring war, etc.

I'm afraid that with the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, CISPA, Obamacare, the redundancy of state and federal agencies, the general government creeping into marriage, the overburdensome regulations on business, the bailing out of banks, the drone strikes on US citizens, the massive buildup of FEMA, the bailing out of private companies, the wrecklessness of the federal reserve, the out of control spending, out of control welfare, out of control inflation and devaluation of the dollar that now is the most important point in the last 100 years to have the RIGHT to defend ourselves.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

The Third Amendment has that language. Our Founding Fathers were trying to create a society of the people, not another version of a British royal monarchy. They wrote these documents to prevent FUTURE general governments from becoming the same, that's why we have checks and balances, that's why a President is not supposed to attack another nation without Congress declaring war, etc.

I'm afraid that with the PATRIOT Act, NDAA, CISPA, Obamacare, the redundancy of state and federal agencies, the general government creeping into marriage, the overburdensome regulations on business, the bailing out of banks, the drone strikes on US citizens, the massive buildup of FEMA, the bailing out of private companies, the wrecklessness of the federal reserve, the out of control spending, out of control welfare, out of control inflation and devaluation of the dollar that now is the most important point in the last 100 years to have the RIGHT to defend ourselves.

the need of the american people to defend themselves against their own government, honestly, in this day and age, sounds like a work of hollywood fiction.

so what is the reason that someone needs to pack heat walking down the street? is the government coming to get you when you are walking to the grocery store?

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