i dont know if this is for cry or laugh..
its crazy..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I don't know, a rally might be the perfect place to need protection
most especially with the hate and division in our country.
When the lady congressman was shot and the elementary school girl died along with
five others and 19 injured it would have been nice to have had someone around to have prevented that.
Instead it took two to tackle the shooter after all that damage was done.
One trained sensible person, a hero, may have prevented many deaths.
I wonder how those opposed to the license to carry would feel when they look down a barrel,
get that cold chill run down their spine, a split second and a one breath left,
wishing the f*** someone would come save their life, then hear the gunshot,
then realize someone licensed to carry just gave them their life back.
I wonder if they would be thankful?
I would be...
bad guys got guns folks, good guys need um
I was robbed at gunpoint, they wanted nothing more than money, but if me or my friends had a gun, someone would surely be dead. So, yes, Gabby Giffords happens, and if someone had a gun, then perhaps some people there would have lived, but in an alternate world where people are pulling guns out when they get robbed, there would be a whole lot more deaths.
only robbery at gunpoint, only carjacking at gunpoint, only battery at gunpoint, only home invasion at gunpoint, only rape at gunpoint ...
those aren't only's for me
and the only thing these gun carrying scrum bags understand is another gun
again ... bad guys got guns good guys need um
glad they didn't shoot your best friend in the head cause it wasn't enough
money for them ...
I have a friend who watched this happen and the scrum bag is out there somewhere
cleaning his gun.
I don't mean to insult America, but for all its greatness, there sure is a whole lot of idiocy to go around.
can someone please tell me the purpose of a CONCEALED weapon?
the purpose is self defense. You can argue that it isn't needed...I would disagree because put simply and unfortunately for anyone who has to carry them, it isn't needed until it is needed.
My point was the concealed part. I don't agree with, but can at least undestand why people think they need to, carry a weapon. My question is why the need to hide it?
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just cause you know how to use a gun doesnt mean youll have the nerve to pull the trigger. you know what im saying?
If it is a matter of survival .... you pull the trigger....
basic.
Responsible licensed owners of guns know what they are for.
They have hours of training and practice.
Many are former victims or their loved ones are victims.
Responsible licensed owners are ready to shoot and more and more people
are protecting themselves, their loved ones and their property.
It's about time.
if this woman knew how to use a gun and had one...who knows..
Godfather.
just cause you know how to use a gun doesnt mean youll have the nerve to pull the trigger. you know what im saying?
if you don't have the nerve to pull the trigger while you are being beat with a bat then I don't know what else you can do except take a beating and possibly die, but yes I understand what you are saying.
I'd say that in most cases of "needing" to use a firearm, fear takes over the "responsibe gun owner". One's a survival instinct steeped in millions of years of evolution. The other is taught over a few years. Guess which one wins?
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I'd say that in most cases of "needing" to use a firearm, fear takes over the "responsibe gun owner". One's a survival instinct steeped in millions of years of evolution. The other is taught over a few years. Guess which one wins?
When the lady congressman was shot and the elementary school girl died along with
five others and 19 injured it would have been nice to have had someone around to have prevented that.
Instead it took two to tackle the shooter after all that damage was done.
One trained sensible person, a hero, may have prevented many deaths.
Actually, there was a man with a gun at the grocery store, he pulled it out and was about to shoot at a man he saw with a gun. He's glad he paused for half a second because the man with the gun actually WRESTLED IT AWAY from the shooter, so if he shot, there would have been 6 dead...
of course he paused ...
he did exactly as he should have, as any responsible trained licensed gun owner would.
Unfortunately he wasn't on the scene earlier to have prevented the deaths
and taken the shooter out before the devastating consequences.
I'm sure he wishes he could have saved lives that day a matter of a minutes difference.
I'd say that in most cases of "needing" to use a firearm, fear takes over the "responsibe gun owner". One's a survival instinct steeped in millions of years of evolution. The other is taught over a few years. Guess which one wins?
depends on the person.
Godfather.
And the training makes all the difference...
being prepared.
I don't mean to insult America, but for all its greatness, there sure is a whole lot of idiocy to go around.
can someone please tell me the purpose of a CONCEALED weapon?
the purpose is self defense. You can argue that it isn't needed...I would disagree because put simply and unfortunately for anyone who has to carry them, it isn't needed until it is needed.
i could argue that these concealed carry laws allow for people to have a cowboy mentality and thousands of times a year are used for offensive purposes, such as in a the case of a certain neighborhood watchman, but i digress....
how about we 1-allow the water guns, 2- disallow real guns, or 3- let everyone bring a real or fake one. whichever they want... it seems that they are giving the concealed carry people more power in this situation.
honestly, do you really need to take a fucking gun into a rah rah rah convention??? jesus...
first, have any statistics to back up that claim in bold?
I think not allowing water guns is silly, although if someone had a real looking squirt gun out they could get shot over it... You know, I bet this wouldn't even be an issue had the Mayor not said anything...people would of had guns and no one would have been the wiser. I have yet to meet anyone with a conceal carry permit who talks about packing and brandishes the fire arm for no reason. Those people don't get conceal and carry permits and if they do, they don't keep them for long because of not following the rules.
but to answer your last question, hopefully someone on here can speak to Florida law but private buildings are free to ban guns inside their establishments. And I wouldn't want to be friends with a person who felt the need to shoot a gun off in celebration...so I cannot tell you what type of person would want to...probably the same type who would NOT go to a convention...BORING AS HELL. My CD caucus a couple of weekends ago in MN was ridiculously boring, except for the endorsement pissing match that occurred...
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I'd say that in most cases of "needing" to use a firearm, fear takes over the "responsibe gun owner". One's a survival instinct steeped in millions of years of evolution. The other is taught over a few years. Guess which one wins?
depends on the person.
Godfather.
And the training makes all the difference...
being prepared.
first, have any statistics to back up that claim in bold?
I think not allowing water guns is silly, although if someone had a real looking squirt gun out they could get shot over it... You know, I bet this wouldn't even be an issue had the Mayor not said anything...people would of had guns and no one would have been the wiser. I have yet to meet anyone with a conceal carry permit who talks about packing and brandishes the fire arm for no reason. Those people don't get conceal and carry permits and if they do, they don't keep them for long because of not following the rules.
but to answer your last question, hopefully someone on here can speak to Florida law but private buildings are free to ban guns inside their establishments. And I wouldn't want to be friends with a person who felt the need to shoot a gun off in celebration...so I cannot tell you what type of person would want to...probably the same type who would NOT go to a convention...BORING AS HELL. My CD caucus a couple of weekends ago in MN was ridiculously boring, except for the endorsement pissing match that occurred...
my claim in bold is based on actually reading the news every day and counting the numbers of shootings that are reported and just muliplying from there. let's not kid ourselves and say that there are not thousands of shootings in a year that are done with mailce.
i have not seen a squirt gun look like a real gun since i was a kid. i had some very real looking squirt guns up until about age 12. back then they started making them look yellow and orange and flourescent so that they were not mistaken for real guns...and a supersoaker type gun looks nothing like any gun that shoots bullets that i have ever seen.. they look like something from halo or borderlands or something....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
for when thunderous, enthusiastic applause for a nominee just isn't enough....we need something loud to shoot up in the air in celebration of mitt romney..
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the purpose of law mandating the ability to conceal a weapon rather than having it out in the open for everyone to see.
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first, have any statistics to back up that claim in bold?
I think not allowing water guns is silly, although if someone had a real looking squirt gun out they could get shot over it... You know, I bet this wouldn't even be an issue had the Mayor not said anything...people would of had guns and no one would have been the wiser. I have yet to meet anyone with a conceal carry permit who talks about packing and brandishes the fire arm for no reason. Those people don't get conceal and carry permits and if they do, they don't keep them for long because of not following the rules.
but to answer your last question, hopefully someone on here can speak to Florida law but private buildings are free to ban guns inside their establishments. And I wouldn't want to be friends with a person who felt the need to shoot a gun off in celebration...so I cannot tell you what type of person would want to...probably the same type who would NOT go to a convention...BORING AS HELL. My CD caucus a couple of weekends ago in MN was ridiculously boring, except for the endorsement pissing match that occurred...
my claim in bold is based on actually reading the news every day and counting the numbers of shootings that are reported and just muliplying from there. let's not kid ourselves and say that there are not thousands of shootings in a year that are done with mailce.
i have not seen a squirt gun look like a real gun since i was a kid. i had some very real looking squirt guns up until about age 12. back then they started making them look yellow and orange and flourescent so that they were not mistaken for real guns...and a supersoaker type gun looks nothing like any gun that shoots bullets that i have ever seen.. they look like something from halo or borderlands or something....
but it holds a hell of a lot of piss
but your claim about thousands of shootings a year being perpetrated by those with conceal carry permits is not factually based. There have never been viable statistics to prove either sides claims.
this is really the best I could do in a hurry, and I believe this is a running total from 2007
http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
this is a site very against CCW...says 440 people have died in shootings not ruled self defense...I will give you an extra thousand of those ruled self defense that are wrongly done so(probably very high estimate)...that is about 1500 in 5 years. Certainly doesn't add up to the thousands you claim happen each year by folks with CC permits. Or were you just referring to all shootings not homicides committed by CC permit holders? because that is something completely different. And I definitely agree, there are thousands upon thousands of those...although violent crime rates are at historic lows.
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the purpose of law mandating the ability to conceal a weapon rather than having it out in the open for everyone to see.
that isn't the question you asked originally...and the law gives you the ability to apply to carry a concealed weapon, it doesn't mandate that people do so.(just me being a dick with that last part :P)
I would say someone carrying a gun openly would create far more unnecessary problems than someone being able to wear one under a jacket. But I don't think you will get an argument from gun rights folks...some would probably love to wear it openly. rather than concealed. It is a self defense tool, and those who are properly trained and licensed use it as such.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the purpose of law mandating the ability to conceal a weapon rather than having it out in the open for everyone to see.
that isn't the question you asked originally...and the law gives you the ability to apply to carry a concealed weapon, it doesn't mandate that people do so.(just me being a dick with that last part :P)
I would say someone carrying a gun openly would create far more unnecessary problems than someone being able to wear one under a jacket. But I don't think you will get an argument from gun rights folks...some would probably love to wear it openly. rather than concealed. It is a self defense tool, and those who are properly trained and licensed use it as such.
obviously, mandating was the incorrect word. teaches me to go back and edit my sentence and leaving the wrong words in.
it is the question I asked earlier, just in different wording.
I understand that it's a self defense tool. I just don't get why it needs to be concealed. Is it for the safety of the person carrying, the safety of those around the person carrying? I'm asking honestly, not trying to start an argument. I honestly don't understand that part of the law.
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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the purpose of law mandating the ability to conceal a weapon rather than having it out in the open for everyone to see.
that isn't the question you asked originally...and the law gives you the ability to apply to carry a concealed weapon, it doesn't mandate that people do so.(just me being a dick with that last part :P)
I would say someone carrying a gun openly would create far more unnecessary problems than someone being able to wear one under a jacket. But I don't think you will get an argument from gun rights folks...some would probably love to wear it openly. rather than concealed. It is a self defense tool, and those who are properly trained and licensed use it as such.
obviously, mandating was the incorrect word. teaches me to go back and edit my sentence and leaving the wrong words in.
it is the question I asked earlier, just in different wording.
I understand that it's a self defense tool. I just don't get why it needs to be concealed. Is it for the safety of the person carrying, the safety of those around the person carrying? I'm asking honestly, not trying to start an argument. I honestly don't understand that part of the law.
I think it is for both the safety of the individual and the well being of those around them...If I have a gun under my coat most people would never be the wiser unless I had to use it....so why invite unneeded confrontations?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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no gun?...
what is the average person who is not one of The Avengers
going to do against a gun to their head?
They are going to submit, be a victim, cry beg and pray ... well maybe not pray for some here
but their lives are going to flash and the pictures of their kids faces, their spouses,
their parents, their friends mourning a terrible loss.
Why? because they were unprepared and thought it would never happen to them
and that they hated guns ...
what they should have known was bad guys will always have guns
so good guys need um or risk being a victim and death.
We see a few holsters here and there but it is much better to conceal
when you are licensed to carry. It is polite to others also why would anyone ever show
their hand?
I think it is for both the safety of the individual and the well being of those around them...If I have a gun under my coat most people would never be the wiser unless I had to use it....so why invite unneeded confrontations?
so is it LAW that if you are licensed to carry, you are required to conceal? (forgive my ignorance, I am Canadian, and we don't carry anything but hockey sticks and beer around, and the only thing we're concealing is our weed).
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so much for turning the other cheek and having faith in humanity, eh god lovers?
for shit's sake, "pull the trigger"??? Kill the bad guys before they get you seems to be the mantra of the day around the train.
Yes, and that mantra seems to be a nationwide state of mind. My belief is that this idea of "kill the bad guys" and other forms of violent thinking are things strongly engrained in our society. Here's an example of what I mean. An actual conversation I overheard while shelving books in the bookstore today:
Woman and son come up to counter where a co-worker is working.
The woman asks, "Can you tell me if this book is appropriate for my ten year old son here," (looks at kid).
Co-worker: "Well, lets see, doesn't appear to have foul language."
Woman: "Good!"
Co-worker: "Doesn't appear to have sexual episodes or innuendo."
Woman: "Good!"
Co-worker: "But it does appear to have quite a bit of violence."
Woman: "PERFECT!! Just right for a boy!"
:roll:
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Anyone offering up an over/under on the number of Stand Your Ground shootings, brandishing/felony intimidation charges, drunken possession of a handgun charges, justifiable homicides, cop shoots drunk driver reaching for his wallet or "accidental" discharges there will be in Tampa during the convention? Any of you Brits have a line on this? You guys bet on everything.
Sorry but I'm not buying into the whole "pack heat' because you might be a victim argument. I read or heard some statistic that police officers only hit their target, a suspect, one out of every 8 or 10 shots. Highly trained police officers who have to maintain vision, physical fitness and go to the range and be certified at least annually. Joe citizen that got his CWP 5 years ago and hasn't been to the range since or passes an annual exam once every 1 or 2 years for renewal, trying to hit a moving target brandishing a gun is more likely to miss but hit something or someone else. And I refuse to go through life thinking everyone is out to get me and that every time I step out my front door, I might have a gun stuck in my face. I'm more likely to get killed by someone texting and driving or hit by a bus. And the funny thing about gun statistics is that the NRA lobbies against any kind of federal legislation that would require the States to keep records or report to the DOJ gun stats that might actually answer some of the questions about whether guns make us safer or contribute to the problem of gun violence. Here's some links to some stats:
Find the August 2010 Harper's Magazine for an interesting read on someone who got the CCP and talks extensively of their reason why. It's called "Happiness is a Worn Gun."
Anyone offering up an over/under on the number of Stand Your Ground shootings, brandishing/felony intimidation charges, drunken possession of a handgun charges, justifiable homicides, cop shoots drunk driver reaching for his wallet or "accidental" discharges there will be in Tampa during the convention? Any of you Brits have a line on this? You guys bet on everything.
Sorry but I'm not buying into the whole "pack heat' because you might be a victim argument. I read or heard some statistic that police officers only hit their target, a suspect, one out of every 8 or 10 shots. Highly trained police officers who have to maintain vision, physical fitness and go to the range and be certified at least annually. Joe citizen that got his CWP 5 years ago and hasn't been to the range since or passes an annual exam once every 1 or 2 years for renewal, trying to hit a moving target brandishing a gun is more likely to miss but hit something or someone else. And I refuse to go through life thinking everyone is out to get me and that every time I step out my front door, I might have a gun stuck in my face. I'm more likely to get killed by someone texting and driving or hit by a bus. And the funny thing about gun statistics is that the NRA lobbies against any kind of federal legislation that would require the States to keep records or report to the DOJ gun stats that might actually answer some of the questions about whether guns make us safer or contribute to the problem of gun violence.
I'll take my chances being unarmed.
Peace.
Excellent, excellent points, Halifax. Thank you for good, clear, logical, rational... sorry to go on so, but well said!
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Anyone offering up an over/under on the number of Stand Your Ground shootings, brandishing/felony intimidation charges, drunken possession of a handgun charges, justifiable homicides, cop shoots drunk driver reaching for his wallet or "accidental" discharges there will be in Tampa during the convention? Any of you Brits have a line on this? You guys bet on everything.
Sorry but I'm not buying into the whole "pack heat' because you might be a victim argument. I read or heard some statistic that police officers only hit their target, a suspect, one out of every 8 or 10 shots. Highly trained police officers who have to maintain vision, physical fitness and go to the range and be certified at least annually. Joe citizen that got his CWP 5 years ago and hasn't been to the range since or passes an annual exam once every 1 or 2 years for renewal, trying to hit a moving target brandishing a gun is more likely to miss but hit something or someone else. And I refuse to go through life thinking everyone is out to get me and that every time I step out my front door, I might have a gun stuck in my face. I'm more likely to get killed by someone texting and driving or hit by a bus. And the funny thing about gun statistics is that the NRA lobbies against any kind of federal legislation that would require the States to keep records or report to the DOJ gun stats that might actually answer some of the questions about whether guns make us safer or contribute to the problem of gun violence.
I'll take my chances being unarmed.
Peace.
Excellent, excellent points, Halifax. Thank you for good, clear, logical, rational... sorry to go on so, but well said!
I couldnk't agree more.
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just cause you know how to use a gun doesnt mean youll have the nerve to pull the trigger. you know what im saying?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
its crazy..
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only home invasion at gunpoint, only rape at gunpoint ...
those aren't only's for me
and the only thing these gun carrying scrum bags understand is another gun
again ... bad guys got guns good guys need um
glad they didn't shoot your best friend in the head cause it wasn't enough
money for them ...
I have a friend who watched this happen and the scrum bag is out there somewhere
cleaning his gun.
My point was the concealed part. I don't agree with, but can at least undestand why people think they need to, carry a weapon. My question is why the need to hide it?
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thanks for the input!
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basic.
Responsible licensed owners of guns know what they are for.
They have hours of training and practice.
Many are former victims or their loved ones are victims.
Responsible licensed owners are ready to shoot and more and more people
are protecting themselves, their loved ones and their property.
It's about time.
if you don't have the nerve to pull the trigger while you are being beat with a bat then I don't know what else you can do except take a beating and possibly die, but yes I understand what you are saying.
Godfather.
Godfather.
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depends on the person.
Godfather.
he did exactly as he should have, as any responsible trained licensed gun owner would.
Unfortunately he wasn't on the scene earlier to have prevented the deaths
and taken the shooter out before the devastating consequences.
I'm sure he wishes he could have saved lives that day a matter of a minutes difference.
being prepared.
Beats begging and crying...
first, have any statistics to back up that claim in bold?
I think not allowing water guns is silly, although if someone had a real looking squirt gun out they could get shot over it... You know, I bet this wouldn't even be an issue had the Mayor not said anything...people would of had guns and no one would have been the wiser. I have yet to meet anyone with a conceal carry permit who talks about packing and brandishes the fire arm for no reason. Those people don't get conceal and carry permits and if they do, they don't keep them for long because of not following the rules.
but to answer your last question, hopefully someone on here can speak to Florida law but private buildings are free to ban guns inside their establishments. And I wouldn't want to be friends with a person who felt the need to shoot a gun off in celebration...so I cannot tell you what type of person would want to...probably the same type who would NOT go to a convention...BORING AS HELL. My CD caucus a couple of weekends ago in MN was ridiculously boring, except for the endorsement pissing match that occurred...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
agreed Pandi.
Godfather.
i have not seen a squirt gun look like a real gun since i was a kid. i had some very real looking squirt guns up until about age 12. back then they started making them look yellow and orange and flourescent so that they were not mistaken for real guns...and a supersoaker type gun looks nothing like any gun that shoots bullets that i have ever seen.. they look like something from halo or borderlands or something....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
so thats the only alternative.. begging and crying????
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Can't be worse than the current...
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but it holds a hell of a lot of piss
but your claim about thousands of shootings a year being perpetrated by those with conceal carry permits is not factually based. There have never been viable statistics to prove either sides claims.
this is really the best I could do in a hurry, and I believe this is a running total from 2007
http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
this is a site very against CCW...says 440 people have died in shootings not ruled self defense...I will give you an extra thousand of those ruled self defense that are wrongly done so(probably very high estimate)...that is about 1500 in 5 years. Certainly doesn't add up to the thousands you claim happen each year by folks with CC permits. Or were you just referring to all shootings not homicides committed by CC permit holders? because that is something completely different. And I definitely agree, there are thousands upon thousands of those...although violent crime rates are at historic lows.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
that isn't the question you asked originally...and the law gives you the ability to apply to carry a concealed weapon, it doesn't mandate that people do so.(just me being a dick with that last part :P)
I would say someone carrying a gun openly would create far more unnecessary problems than someone being able to wear one under a jacket. But I don't think you will get an argument from gun rights folks...some would probably love to wear it openly. rather than concealed. It is a self defense tool, and those who are properly trained and licensed use it as such.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
obviously, mandating was the incorrect word. teaches me to go back and edit my sentence and leaving the wrong words in.
it is the question I asked earlier, just in different wording.
I understand that it's a self defense tool. I just don't get why it needs to be concealed. Is it for the safety of the person carrying, the safety of those around the person carrying? I'm asking honestly, not trying to start an argument. I honestly don't understand that part of the law.
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I think it is for both the safety of the individual and the well being of those around them...If I have a gun under my coat most people would never be the wiser unless I had to use it....so why invite unneeded confrontations?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
agreed Pandi.
Godfather.[/quote]
so thats the only alternative.. begging and crying????[/quote]
no you can always pull the trigger.
Godfather.
no gun?...
what is the average person who is not one of The Avengers
going to do against a gun to their head?
They are going to submit, be a victim, cry beg and pray ... well maybe not pray for some here
but their lives are going to flash and the pictures of their kids faces, their spouses,
their parents, their friends mourning a terrible loss.
Why? because they were unprepared and thought it would never happen to them
and that they hated guns ...
what they should have known was bad guys will always have guns
so good guys need um or risk being a victim and death.
We see a few holsters here and there but it is much better to conceal
when you are licensed to carry. It is polite to others also why would anyone ever show
their hand?
for shit's sake, "pull the trigger"??? Kill the bad guys before they get you seems to be the mantra of the day around the train.
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so is it LAW that if you are licensed to carry, you are required to conceal? (forgive my ignorance, I am Canadian, and we don't carry anything but hockey sticks and beer around, and the only thing we're concealing is our weed).
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Yes, and that mantra seems to be a nationwide state of mind. My belief is that this idea of "kill the bad guys" and other forms of violent thinking are things strongly engrained in our society. Here's an example of what I mean. An actual conversation I overheard while shelving books in the bookstore today:
Woman and son come up to counter where a co-worker is working.
The woman asks, "Can you tell me if this book is appropriate for my ten year old son here," (looks at kid).
Co-worker: "Well, lets see, doesn't appear to have foul language."
Woman: "Good!"
Co-worker: "Doesn't appear to have sexual episodes or innuendo."
Woman: "Good!"
Co-worker: "But it does appear to have quite a bit of violence."
Woman: "PERFECT!! Just right for a boy!"
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Sorry but I'm not buying into the whole "pack heat' because you might be a victim argument. I read or heard some statistic that police officers only hit their target, a suspect, one out of every 8 or 10 shots. Highly trained police officers who have to maintain vision, physical fitness and go to the range and be certified at least annually. Joe citizen that got his CWP 5 years ago and hasn't been to the range since or passes an annual exam once every 1 or 2 years for renewal, trying to hit a moving target brandishing a gun is more likely to miss but hit something or someone else. And I refuse to go through life thinking everyone is out to get me and that every time I step out my front door, I might have a gun stuck in my face. I'm more likely to get killed by someone texting and driving or hit by a bus. And the funny thing about gun statistics is that the NRA lobbies against any kind of federal legislation that would require the States to keep records or report to the DOJ gun stats that might actually answer some of the questions about whether guns make us safer or contribute to the problem of gun violence. Here's some links to some stats:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... e-us-state
http://sbcoalition.org/2011/04/gun-viol ... tatistics/
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gun-c ... ownership/
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://commentarista.com/2012/02/02/nut ... les-n-r-a/
http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg/search/gun ... statistics
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact- ... 12&st=&ps=
Find the August 2010 Harper's Magazine for an interesting read on someone who got the CCP and talks extensively of their reason why. It's called "Happiness is a Worn Gun."
I'll take my chances being unarmed.
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Excellent, excellent points, Halifax. Thank you for good, clear, logical, rational... sorry to go on so, but well said!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I couldnk't agree more.
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