Water guns banned, REAL guns, OK....

brianlux

I don't understand people who advertise and openly promote their gun ownership. Isn't that just asking for trouble or at the very least intentionally provoking others? I'm thinking about this because I just saw a guy with all sorts of gun-nut bumper stickers (one of them said gun nut) including the good old cross hairs with "this is my peace sign" underneath. Unless the intention is to bate others, wouldn't it make more sense to be a little more discrete?

I find it so weird to see so much pro-gun talk on this particular forum. Does anyone else find this just a bit ironic and disjointed?

Peace...please.

JonnyPistachio

Great post Mike. I agree. Calling someone a coward for carrying or not carrying is uncalled for.
I am against guns usually, but I'd never want them banned. I also dont think most live in fear who have them. Some do though, yes. I know some just feel that "why not, if i'm allowed to have them" mentality.

Then again, I've never heard so much talk about raping and violence towards wives and kids. You'd think some people live in Cambodia or Honduras..

USARAY

JonnyPistachio wrote:

a whimperer huh? That was rude. Are you even old enough to own a gun? I thought you had to be at least 18.

I've had several guns pointed at me. Three of us were robbed in the front yard of my friends house by three young men. As the robbers ran off, my friends roommate came out of the house with some kind of automatic hardcore looking firearm. I was so glad they ran off because if that roommate woldve come out 10 seconds earlier, it wouldve been like the OK Coral.

I've had one go off -- a shotgun -- missed my head by a few inches. Boy was I scared. It was loud. And immediately I thought to myself, "that would've been quick" I would have not had much reaction time to avoid being shot. The triggerman? my friend: a cop. haha, yes, I am laughing now, and yes, he is a cop.

So, if you ask what's the WORST moment I can come up with? It would be if I owned a gun and it got in the wrong hands. If we're using our imagination here -- it would be if I owned a gun and some kid stole it somehow and used to it kill someone.

what are you the word police and yeah over 18 how about you mr nut
yeah thats great those guys got away to rob other folk maybe beat up some sweet old couple or something even worse wtf you are as bad as the criminals you allow the crimes to happen cause you are scared shitless
your worst case that kid who stole your gun and used it he would have found a gun no problem
so that would be worse than watching your loved one die or worse wtf
i'm not getting that no wonder women these days think they are on their own starting to carry their own guns

USARAY

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Great post Mike. I agree. Calling someone a coward for carrying or not carrying is uncalled for.
I am against guns usually, but I'd never want them banned. I also dont think most live in fear who have them. Some do though, yes. I know some just feel that "why not, if i'm allowed to have them" mentality.

Then again, I've never heard so much talk about raping and violence towards wives and kids. You'd think some people live in Cambodia or Honduras..

so you dont think women are raped here in the great us of a point being be a man have a plan and protect your women and children

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

and you didn't answer the question see you are the worst

what question didn't I answer?

USARAY

brianlux wrote:

I don't understand people who advertise and openly promote their gun ownership. Isn't that just asking for trouble or at the very least intentionally provoking others? I'm thinking about this because I just saw a guy with all sorts of gun-nut bumper stickers (one of them said gun nut) including the good old cross hairs with "this is my peace sign" underneath. Unless the intention is to bate others, wouldn't it make more sense to be a little more discrete?

I find it so weird to see so much pro-gun talk on this particular forum. Does anyone else find this just a bit ironic and disjointed?

Peace...please.

tell that to the criminals peace please give me a break another anti reality guy whats disjointed
is to not be able to protect yourself when you need to

USARAY

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

and you didn't answer the question see you are the worst

what question didn't I answer?

how are you going to protect your women and children if you don't have any pretend

keeponrockin

Tritone wrote:

sorry the avatar is a girl man you going to watch your woman get raped nice be prepared dude to protect
your loved ones mark my words once you see them get hurt you will be prepared

The thought of 'watching my girl get raped' really does not cross my mind when I'm out and about. Not really in fear of it, you seem to be, and that's fine. I'm not. A gun gives me no more of a chance realistically and causes a fuck ton more problems. Then again, I'm up in peaceful loving Canada so that might have something to do with my attitude.

And, having a gun when a gun is pulled on me realistically gets my ass shot unless buddy with a gun is the worst shot ever.

@Mike, I don't fear CC permit holders, I just don't see them as necessary. Then again, I don't see a lot of things as necessary that I don't fear.

keeponrockin

Also, does Tritone saying "your woman" not come across as VERY sexist?

USARAY

Drowned Out wrote:

Tritone wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

Where did I say I wouldn't protect my family?

How would you protect your wife and kids think about the worse moment you can come up with
and tell everyone what you would do don't tell us you wouldn't have to cause thats bullshit
just tell us how you will try to save them from being raped and murdered or even worse
taken from you never to know again where they were what was happening to them if they were living hell
consider this a gift a training lesson a preparation how do you try to save them

Well it depends....are the perps islamic extremists or not?
Seriously man, I have absolutely zero concern of this happening to my family. Why would I 'think about the worse moment I can come up with', then use that as grounds to arm myself? Holy shit, Pinhead, Jason, Michael Myers and a flock of zombies could show up at my house, I better get a gun! makes no sense at all.

I already addressed your question (I think it's a question).....the odds are not great enough for me to even consider arming myself for protection. It's not bullshit. The odds are literally millions to one. Why would I worry about that for even a second? it's like living in fear of lightning.
You know what I would really fear? My kids getting their hands on a gun I kept in my house, and shooting themself or a friend. I know I know.....locks locks locks.....my dad kept his porn collection in a locked file cabinet when I was a kid.....the lock made me curious. So I found the key. Besides, how effective is a gun when you have to unlock a cabinet, remove a trigger lock or whatever they're called, get your bullets (which should be stored separately, right?), load the gun, then make your big move?

How do you foresee your armed self-defense going down?.....criminal comes at you with gun drawn....then what? You count to three, pace it off, and draw? No. You get shot as you pull your gun trying to be a hero. What happens to your family after you've escalated the situation, and got shot in front of them?

You must answer first what do you do to protect your wife and kids i have said at least i will try you instead have your head in the sand lightning wtf now i see you live in your own little safe world because you don't think you need a gun noone else should gotcha

hedonist

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Calling someone a coward for carrying or not carrying is uncalled for.

Hell yeah.

And might I also say...jesus fucking christ. Why would this thread descend into such stupidity and childishness? Have a point to make, fucking make it and keep it non-personal.

No wonder this shit so often goes 'round in circles. Most rational discussion ---whoosh--- out the window.

I may support gun-ownership but if someone else doesn't, big fucking deal. I'm not gonna try to make them feel "lesser" for that nor would I expect anyone with clear-headed opposition to do the same to me.


(sorry if I sound like I'm scolding...I'm not, just irritated)

USARAY

keeponrockin wrote:

Also, does Tritone saying "your woman" not come across as VERY sexist?

i was generalizing not knowing for sure who is a dude to make my point but i guess yours probably wears the pants shit i thought you were a girl lol i see now you guys your women need to defend themselves hope that works out maybe they will save your sorry asses

brianlux

People, listen to our Canadian friends, please. We in the U.S. really don't need to be so violence fixated!

hedonist

Tritone wrote:

i was generalizing not knowing for sure who is a dude to make my point but i guess yours probably wears the pants shit i thought you were a girl lol i see now you guys your women need to defend themselves hope that works out maybe they will save your sorry asses

What are you, five?

If you even made a valid point in all of this - I have no idea - it's lost because of shit like that up there.

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Calling someone a coward for carrying or not carrying is uncalled for.

Hell yeah.

And might I also say...jesus fucking christ. Why would this thread descend into such stupidity and childishness? Have a point to make, fucking make it and keep it non-personal.

No wonder this shit so often goes 'round in circles. Most rational discussion ---whoosh--- out the window.

I may support gun-ownership but if someone else doesn't, big fucking deal. I'm not gonna try to make them feel "lesser" for that nor would I expect anyone with clear-headed opposition to do the same to me.


(sorry if I sound like I'm scolding...I'm not, just irritated)

Great posts, Jonny, Hedonist.

Peace.

USARAY

hedonist wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Calling someone a coward for carrying or not carrying is uncalled for.

Hell yeah.

And might I also say...jesus fucking christ. Why would this thread descend into such stupidity and childishness? Have a point to make, fucking make it and keep it non-personal.

No wonder this shit so often goes 'round in circles. Most rational discussion ---whoosh--- out the window.

I may support gun-ownership but if someone else doesn't, big fucking deal. I'm not gonna try to make them feel "lesser" for that nor would I expect anyone with clear-headed opposition to do the same to me.


(sorry if I sound like I'm scolding...I'm not, just irritated)

the lady has arrived i bow and apologize just defending the right to carry and if you read you will see the lesser goes both ways are you packing joking i find that intriguing and scolding is alright by me

pandora

brianlux wrote:

Oh, and another thing. I carry a concealed fire extinguisher so look out people!

yeah I guess it did go over some peoples heads

This comparing Canada and the US really?
apples to oranges and let's throw in France really what a joke

Does Canada have an illegal immigrant problem, does Canada have the sheer numbers
we do, our population is over 10 times as many maybe more
does Canada have the poor and over crowded and the minority population?
By the way I am a minority in Atlanta.
This is where crime is because of drugs, related illegal activity, lack of opportunity,
and where there is crime there are guns legal or otherwise.
The otherwise is the why there are so many legal gun owners.
The bad guys will always have guns we can be very sure of that.

This why you Brian can be opposed you don't have the crime Atlanta does
and the Canadians who come here and argue comparing their small country
with the US is kind of ridiculous.
I am happy for Canada it is much easier to manage 33 million then 313 million :shock:
but then again crime really knows no boundaries and those so smug to think
it can not happen to them are foolhardy, cause if it can strike 40 years ago
in a small city in Wisconsin it surely can and will happen anywhere.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Tritone wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Tritone wrote:

and you didn't answer the question see you are the worst

what question didn't I answer?

how are you going to protect your women and children if you don't have any pretend

the same as you, because realistically, no criminal is going to rape your wife or daughter in front of you and let you leave the room to go get your gun, unless of course have a pajama holster. And, in the case of one sneaking into your bedroom at night while you are asleep, unless you keep your gun under your pillow (not bright), you're dead gun or no gun.

I'd suggest that owning a gun, no matter how much training, increases the risk of harming someone inside the home that you love more than it decreases the risk of being injured by a perp during a home invasion.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Oh, and another thing. I carry a concealed fire extinguisher so look out people!

yeah I guess it did go over some peoples heads

This comparing Canada and the US really?
apples to oranges and let's throw in France really what a joke

Does Canada have an illegal immigrant problem, does Canada have the sheer numbers
we do, our population is over 10 times as many maybe more
does Canada have the poor and over crowded and the minority population?

most statistics don't look at population, they look at per capita. so having 10 times more people means nothing unless we have only 10% of the crime you do, which we don't.

asking if we have a problem with immigration is irrelevant. you are basically saying all minorities are poor criminals. all countries have lower classes, regardless of where they come from. our poor are not actually the immigrants, but those who were hear long before us white people. it makes no difference what their race is.

no one is saying "it won't happen to me". I'm saying that, taking everything into account, to me owning a gun is not worth the risk. people calling others idiots for thinking that way are just showing their ignorance.

I don't buy lottery tickets because I know my chances of winning are one in a million. I don't buy a gun for the same reason.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

This comparing Canada and the US really?
apples to oranges and let's throw in France really what a joke

Does Canada have an illegal immigrant problem, does Canada have the sheer numbers
we do, our population is over 10 times as many maybe more
does Canada have the poor and over crowded and the minority population?

by that logic I suppose it's a fact that China has about 4 times more gun crime than the US, then, right? Even more since you brought population density into the equation....