Nugent pleads guilty over illegal bear killing

peacefrompaul

Come on Ted... Come on man. I have no problems with his hunts but he needs to carry it out properly... Thank God I had proper training from my dad growing up. You still need to respect the animals.

markin ball

I really don't have a problem with hunting of you eat what you hunt. But killing an animal for a trophy or just for the hell of it send pretty sickening to me. Am I wrong about this? Seriously.

redrock

Agree with you markin, There is a huge difference between finding an animal, shooting it straight away and using it for food (same as fishing) and the ' sport' of hunting where animals are ' rounded up' beforehand, hunters take pleasure in the ' mind games' with the animals enjoying the chase and their fear and ending up killing the animal (sometimes messily and slowly) only to have antlers or a stuffed head on their walls. Now I eat meat and sometimes game so those are my views - a true vegetarian - ie one who does not eat, wear or have anything deriving from animals out of conviction (and not one just not eating meat because it's deemed healthier) - may see hunting despicable, whatever the reason.

g under p

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

:fp: good grief man get over it already...Ted don't read this forum I'm willing to bet and there for don't really care what you think,the only one getting agro are you and a few others on this forum...good job you got yer selfs all worked up over someone you've never met and don't know,kinda odd don't ya think. ?

Godfather.

i don't give a fuck if ted reads this forum or not. the fact is he broke the law. he shot a bear with an arrow and either did not track it, or after looking for it for a bit said "fuck it, i'll shoot another one tomorrow..." the law states that wounding an animal is the same as a kill. he had his quota, he should have stopped there. but he didn't.

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

what is the difference between him and a poacher? he might not take the ivory or whatever to sell on the black market, but he still kills the animals...

these "hunts" are staged. they lure captive animals into the kill zone. if ted was such the hunter, he would do things the real way. where he sits out in the woods, and actually fucking hunts the animals instead of sitting there and paying people to lure them into the kill zone. it is pathetic.

i so badly want to petition dana white and ask him to allow me one 5 minute round in the octagon with nugent at ufc 146...i would beg him for it. but teddy could not be trusted to show up without a hunting knife or crossbow or something...big mouth and bigger gun makes him a big man. no gun makes him a coward.

I agree, he appears to be the kind of man who would just cut and run like he has in his past.

Peace

chadwick

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

:fp: good grief man get over it already...Ted don't read this forum I'm willing to bet and there for don't really care what you think,the only one getting agro are you and a few others on this forum...good job you got yer selfs all worked up over someone you've never met and don't know,kinda odd don't ya think. ?

Godfather.

i don't give a fuck if ted reads this forum or not. the fact is he broke the law. he shot a bear with an arrow and either did not track it, or after looking for it for a bit said "fuck it, i'll shoot another one tomorrow..." the law states that wounding an animal is the same as a kill. he had his quota, he should have stopped there. but he didn't.

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

what is the difference between him and a poacher? he might not take the ivory or whatever to sell on the black market, but he still kills the animals...

these "hunts" are staged. they lure captive animals into the kill zone. if ted was such the hunter, he would do things the real way. where he sits out in the woods, and actually fucking hunts the animals instead of sitting there and paying people to lure them into the kill zone. it is pathetic.

i so badly want to petition dana white and ask him to allow me one 5 minute round in the octagon with nugent at ufc 146...i would beg him for it. but teddy could not be trusted to show up without a hunting knife or crossbow or something...big mouth and bigger gun makes him a big man. no gun makes him a coward.

gimmiesometruth, i love you man. this is the greatest post of yours i have ever read. i have nothing more to add at this time as you said it all right here.

chadwick

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

Must disagree with you there gimme. It's not 'an old thing', just an 'attitude' thing, whatever the age (you guessed it - I'm in the same age group). The world 'belongs' to all generations and no-one has to stand for these 'hunts', young or old - but not everyone cares (again - young and old). Attitude, not age.

Personally, I think Nugent is a despicable lowlife (to stay polite). Had he not been a 'rock star' (this being very questionable in my opinion) and deemed able to reach a certain type of people, would he even have been given a platform?[/quote]
exactly. nugent needs his platform removed until he can behave himself

pandora

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EtYnf-VM

I found this an interesting insight into hunting which in my youth I was strongly opposed to and
drew the wrong conclusion about those who hunt.
It's not for me as I have said but it is for others.

I just know one thing it's best to remain unbiased in life
and there really is no reason to draw any conclusions about others because
if I am not perfect what would possibly make it right for me to judge someone
else? I wouldn't want them judging me and what I did in my youth,
what I learned valuable lessons from, that they do not know.

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

What behavior have I defended?

I have said there are big game hunters period. Have been, will be.
I have not personally researched any of Ted's hunting stories besides the interview I have posted.
That interview is an open minded huntsman opinion that I felt was insightful to him.
I remain unbiased towards Ted something many here can not say.

The 'old thing' for me is more of what life experiences bring to someone.
When I was your age I disliked hunters and was very judgmental towards many people
for many different things. Age is a mellower for some people.
Makes them more giving and forgiving because of the paths they have crossed.

I have learned not to jump to conclusions about people,
to try to understand them instead, this insures fairness and success.

chadwick

pandora wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EtYnf-VM

I found this an interesting insight into hunting which in my youth I was strongly opposed to and
drew the wrong conclusion about those who hunt.
It's not for me as I have said but it is for others.

I just know one thing it's best to remain unbiased in life
and there really is no reason to draw any conclusions about others because
if I am not perfect what would possibly make it right for me to judge someone
else? I wouldn't want them judging me and what I did in my youth,
what I learned valuable lessons from, that they do not know.

pandora,

shooting a rabbit, a squirrel or a deer and a quail and grilling it to feed you and your family is not equivalent to shooting a majestic beast. and no animal is better than the next.

for example. buffalo bill cody. he is recognized as an american iconic hero. for what? that piece of garbage murdered countless buffalo across the high plains. i despise buffalo bill cody like nobodies business. they have souvenir shops out there dedicated to Cody. i cannot wait until they are set on fire and burnt to the ground. at this very moment i hope he is burning in hell if such a place exists

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EtYnf-VM

I found this an interesting insight into hunting which in my youth I was strongly opposed to and
drew the wrong conclusion about those who hunt.
It's not for me as I have said but it is for others.

I just know one thing it's best to remain unbiased in life
and there really is no reason to draw any conclusions about others because
if I am not perfect what would possibly make it right for me to judge someone
else? I wouldn't want them judging me and what I did in my youth,
what I learned valuable lessons from, that they do not know.

pandora,

shooting a rabbit, a squirrel or a deer and a quail and grilling it to feed you and your family is not equivalent to shooting a majestic beast. and no animal is better than the next.

for example. buffalo bill cody. he is recognized as an american iconic hero. for what? that piece of garbage murdered countless buffalo across the high plains. i despise buffalo bill cody like nobodies business. they have souvenir shops out there dedicated to Cody. i cannot wait until they are set on fire and burnt to the ground. at this very moment i hope he is burning in hell if such a place exists

I am not against big game hunters, I do not hate them,
so you and I will have to agree to disagree on that.

Personal motives in life is what it comes down to.
For me all big game hunters motives are not wrong,
because they hunt it does not make them evil.

redrock

pandora wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EtYnf-VM

An insight to hunting - what a load of crock. I thought this was going to be something informative not Nugent trying to justify himself again. So... he equates someone eating a salad to mass killers - worse than him who kills wantonly to have a trophy. More rubbish coming out of his mouth.

The motive behind big game 'hunting' is always wrong. It is not to survive, it is not to eat - it is for pure 'thrill' and twisted satisfaction from the hunter. It's a game for him/her with, at the end, some kind of trophy to 'prove' something. Now, if this hunter would like to take on a bear, face to face, with no 'artifacts' (ie, gun, knife, etc.) that would be a different story. But we know these 'hunters' would never do this....

chadwick

pandora wrote:

I am not against big game hunters, I do not hate them,
so you and I will have to agree to disagree on that.

Personal motives in life is what it comes down to.
For me all big game hunters motives are not wrong,
because they hunt it does not make them evil.

this is a terrible way to be, pandora
with this post of yours i am quickly losing respect for you

you do not think. hunting is not killing majestic creatures. with what you said here you support whale murderers, yes/no? they are not whale hunters. no. they are whale murderers. i am not going to be surprised when ted murders a gray whale off the coast of washington.

btw, i do not have to agree to disagree with anything you are spouting off. i feel you are blinded. sad thing is you may not ever come out of it.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

I am not against big game hunters, I do not hate them,
so you and I will have to agree to disagree on that.

Personal motives in life is what it comes down to.
For me all big game hunters motives are not wrong,
because they hunt it does not make them evil.

this is a terrible way to be, pandora
with this post of yours i am quickly losing respect for you

you do not think. hunting is not killing majestic creatures. with what you said here you support whale murderers, yes/no? they are not whale hunters. no. they are whale murderers. i am not going to be surprised when ted murders a gray whale off the coast of washington.

btw, i do not have to agree to disagree with anything you are spouting off. i feel you are blinded. sad thing is you may not ever come out of it.

Hunting is indeed killing big game also Chad. You and I may not like it nor would consider doing it ourselves but others do and they are not bad people because of it.

I do not know laws on whale hunting.

As far as respect
here we differ also...
I believe others deserve respect even if I don't agree with them.

Love is meant to be unconditional Chadwick and your spouting off :?
as you so kindly refer to opinions shared,
remains incredibly judgmental of others
not exclusive of this thread, which is the height of blindness.

Again in a civil manner, we agree to disagree, as posting guidelines encourage.

chadwick

pandora,

killing elephants makes big game murderers ok people in your book, yes/no?

pulling the trigger on bear is ok and you would sit down at eat lunch with this person, yes/no?

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EtYnf-VM

An insight to hunting - what a load of crock. I thought this was going to be something informative not Nugent trying to justify himself again. So... he equates someone eating a salad to mass killers - worse than him who kills wantonly to have a trophy. More rubbish coming out of his mouth.

The motive behind big game 'hunting' is always wrong. It is not to survive, it is not to eat - it is for pure 'thrill' and twisted satisfaction from the hunter. It's a game for him/her with, at the end, some kind of trophy to 'prove' something. Now, if this hunter would like to take on a bear, face to face, with no 'artifacts' (ie, gun, knife, etc.) that would be a different story. But we know these 'hunters' would never do this....

Are you perhaps judging others behavior based only on your own
and if it differs they are then wrong?

How can you possibly judge all big game hunters and know all their motives
and would it be fairly done because you are biased against them?
And what would give you this right?
Do you personally know anyone who hunts big game?

I don't but I have known other hunters
and am ashamed to say I too judged them unfairly because hunting is something
I could not fathom for myself.

But here comes the opportunity to open ones heart and attempt to understand others,
if one cares enough to even do so. And not jump to the conclusion we know others
their motives and what they have learned in their lives.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora,

killing elephants makes big game murderers ok people in your book, yes/no?

pulling the trigger on bear is ok and you would sit down at eat lunch with this person, yes/no?

you know these answers Chadwick and again we will not agree so no need to question further

chadwick

http://youtu.be/atgof-9nqPk
megadeth - countdown to extinction

to those who are sensitive... this homemade video mix does show graphic murder of different species

chadwick

pandora wrote:

chadwick wrote:

pandora,

killing elephants makes big game murderers ok people in your book, yes/no?

pulling the trigger on bear is ok and you would sit down at eat lunch with this person, yes/no?

you know these answers Chadwick and again we will not agree so no need to question further

no i don't know the answers

do you support the right for people to murder elephants and bear and other majestic creatures and this includes whales, dolphins, and seals, yes/no?

redrock

I know hunters Pandora. I know some who hunt and eat the flesh of the animal and use their hide and bones. I have eaten the flesh of animals killed this way. No sport- just a quick kill. I also know some conservationists who cull animals (called therapeutic hunting), in order to preserve the species. I also know some who 'hunt' for sport and are proud of it, some having gone to Africa, others having hunted with dogs, etc. The latter 'hunters' are not friends. The way they treat animals is reflected in their everyday life/morals. I will repeat it - those 'hunters' who 'hunt' (note the word in inverted commas) big or small game, killing animals for the sake of some twisted self gratification, are ALWAYS morally wrong.

I am judging behaviour as I see fit Pandora - as you judge me as you see fit. A true vegetarian will also judge me as they see fit in this regard. My heart does not need to open itself to cruelty and understand it unless it is to stop it. It is not to condone this kind of reprehensible acts. I care Pandora (and please don't insinuate otherwise), that is why I believe 'hunting' for sport/trophies is wrong.


I feel this thread, like many others will end up being locked......

pandora

redrock wrote:

I know hunters Pandora. I know some who hunt and eat the flesh of the animal and use their hide and bones. I have eaten the flesh of animals killed this way. No sport- just a quick kill. I also know some conservationists who cull animals (called therapeutic hunting), in order to preserve the species. I also know some who 'hunt' for sport and are proud of it, some having gone to Africa, others having hunted with dogs, etc. The latter 'hunters' are not friends. The way they treat animals is reflected in their everyday life/morals. I will repeat it - those 'hunters' who 'hunt' (note the word in inverted commas) big or small game, killing animals for the sake of some twisted self gratification, are ALWAYS morally wrong.

I am judging behaviour as I see fit Pandora - as you judge me as you see fit. My heart does not need to open itself to cruelty and understand it unless it is to stop it. It is not to condone this kind of reprehensible acts. I care Pandora (and please don't insinuate otherwise), that is why I believe 'hunting' for sport/trophies is wrong.


I feel this thread, like many others will end up being locked......

we agree on something!

Thank you for a more clear explanation.
Perhpas then you are not judging all only the wicked few who hunt
per your understanding of them and their motives.


For me I don't presume to know anyone that well especially someone I don't at all.