well...I'm not Hindu and I eat beef. how about you ? and given the opertunity I would have dinner with the Nugent Family and eat zebra bear elephant or t.v dinners I have eaten squirle ...really pretty good it's all dark meat and baisted in peach juice and pepper over a open camp fire it was the best !...but Ill tell ya what I can't stand and thats duck or lamb....too friggin oily but as the Nuge sez "if you kill it..grill it "
fuck it. open season on every creature walking is that what you want? blow em up and grill the rest. we humans can and will and should murder everything in our crosshairs in the name of trophies and grub and to satisfy our own despicable thirst for blood at the thoughtlessness of the lives we are taking to hang on a wall.
go get em brave people. go get em.
so your a vegan?
no i am no vegan but i do not shoot wolves and zebra and elephants though either. is there a limit to what we humans will do or do we have the rights to murder all creatures?
fuck it. open season on every creature walking is that what you want? blow em up and grill the rest. we humans can and will and should murder everything in our crosshairs in the name of trophies and grub and to satisfy our own despicable thirst for blood at the thoughtlessness of the lives we are taking to hang on a wall.
go get em brave people. go get em.
so your a vegan?
no i am no vegan but i do not shoot wolves and zebra and elephants though either. is there a limit to what we humans will do or do we have the rights to murder all creatures?
the you really don't have much room to talk...you are deciding what is a majestic animal...I find horses to be be amazing animals, very majestic, very powerful and so on...but many countries consume this animal...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I have to say that this thread has been a difficult one for me to follow. While I'm with Ted on some issues, much of what I've learned about him lately has made me take pause and rethink.
Don't believe everything you hear ... most is hearsay
Like I have said I'm in no position to judge. I did wrongly judge other hunters in the past,
no one can crawl into another's heart and know what motivates each and everyone,
it is a guess at best so why do it?
I learned to give people the benefit of the doubt, my slate isn't clean, I would hope people
would do that for me.
I feel to each their own.
As I said earlier I relocate spiders ... don't kill, I am no hunter
but I am also not a vegetarian anymore. For me I feel, its important to find one's own values and follow them
and let others do the same without badgering and criticizing.
pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
What about the cows, pigs, fish, chickens, turkeys....etc, etc?
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
What about the cows, pigs, fish, chickens, turkeys....etc, etc?
that's true too. i don't murder chickens, pigs and cows and parrots to stuff and hang on my wall and i don't run around making films of my kills running at the mouth about my love for guns and act like a dickless pukebag
the you really don't have much room to talk...you are deciding what is a majestic animal...I find horses to be be amazing animals, very majestic, very powerful and so on...but many countries consume this animal...
just because some countries eat horse doesn't mean its cool and i have to accept it. i think eating horse meat is for assholes and extremely poor people who may be starving to death.
the you really don't have much room to talk...you are deciding what is a majestic animal...I find horses to be be amazing animals, very majestic, very powerful and so on...but many countries consume this animal...
just because some countries eat horse doesn't mean its cool and i have to accept it. i think eating horse meat is for assholes and extremely poor people who may be starving to death.
Chadwick I hear ya as i've been trying to follow this thread. I'm for those who want to hunt for food it's their right to do so to survive. Many in Africa have no other choice but for those who choose to hunt to put it on a wall I think is rather pointless but if they get a thrill for such a thing and it's legal well more power to them.
For myself I'm a vegetarian now going on two years for the second time and i'm at peace with it. I'm the healthest I've been in years and I'm working towards becoming a vegan but one step at a time. As for Nugent if he's hunting and it's legal then fine but when he's doing so just for the thrill of the kill and it's illegal why would anyone think something is right about that I'll never know.
Peace everybody.
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
This thread is going down into silliness. One can discuss the ethics of sports hunting and illegal hunting (which is different to raising animals for food) or one can 'do a Nugent' and say that those who eat salad are animal killers worse than 'hunters'. If one wants to discuss chickens and turkeys and raised cattle (general meat eating vs vegetarians), this could be done in a different thread. A valid discussion as well as true vegetarians will probably see the killing of animal for food (at least in our society where we have choices) just as bad.
If one does not care for our planet, our wildlife that is disappearing (up to 10,000 species per year - mass extinction due to humans and not geological/meteorological issues), our children only seeing rhinos, big cats, etc. in books or old photos, it's a sad reflection of our society.
Wildlife does not need to be exotic either, though some of these exotic species have been 'trophy hunted' to extinction or near extinction. What does this tell people when one can purchase a 'hunting experience' where, along your 'normal' deer, etc., exotic animals - some extinct in the wild, some considered critically endangered and others vulnerable - are offered for the 'hunt'? Just for some person to be able to stuff an animal that none of his neighbours may have. A trophy reflecting what exactly? Animals are 'there', rounded up, baited. Shooting skills? Can be done at a shooting range, no need to kill for the thrill. I guess that's the word - thrill and 'power'.
Below are the kind of animals offered. Some may be familiar, most aren't to the average person. As we are speaking of Nugent and he seems to be a 'spokesperson' for this type of activity, a while back there was a sweepstake of some sort to win a birthday bash with Nugent at this ranch - hunting and partying with him. Also, whilst we are on the subject of sports/trophy hunting, I seem to remember that this same person, a few years back, sold a number of his 'trophies' as he was moving house (he was generous and autographed them all too!). These included a rhino head - a critically endangered species.
EXOTICS:
Aoudad
Axis
Bison
Blackbuck Antelope
Black Hawaiian Sheep
Catalina
Corsican Sheep
Elk
Fallow Deer
Four Horn Sheep
Mouflon
Nilgai
Red Stag (Mgmt.)
Red Stag (Trophy)
Sika
Texas Dall Sheep
SUPER EXOTICS:
Addax
Beisa Oryx
Dama Gazelle
Dybowski Sika
Eland
Gemsbok
Himalayan Tahr
Kudu
Pere David Deer
Red Sheep
Scimitar-Horned Oryx
Springbok
Waterbuck
Wildebeest
pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
What about the cows, pigs, fish, chickens, turkeys....etc, etc?
that's true too. i don't murder chickens, pigs and cows and parrots to stuff and hang on my wall and i don't run around making films of my kills running at the mouth about my love for guns and act like a dickless pukebag
ahhh ok.. so long as we kill in the dark and don't talk about it then it's ok ? we are the dominate species right ?
pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
I was just thinking about this...
I thought about those who have lived an entire lifetime without knowing the love
of a pet :shock: for me that is inconceivable but for them it is right, they feel
they are missing nothing.
Should I judge those who choose not to love dogs or who are afraid of them?
Those who choose to hate cats or think snakes are grotesque?
It is the same situation, in that it not up to me to choose another's values nor tell
them what they should do in their life. I manage my own. This is all I can do.
Hunting animals within the law is entirely different than abusing a pet, I think we
can all agree on that. I have gotten involved in animal abuse issues but that is not
what this thread is about.
It is about big game hunting and as I have said I will not judge another simply because
they are hunters. I have valid personal reasons, I have done so in my life
and been very wrong. You can not judge a heart by this alone and no one can know
another's motives nor what drives them individually.
Hunting animals within the law is entirely different than abusing a pet, I think we
can all agree on that.
:?: Has anyone been talking about abusing pets? I don't think so.
Chad just questioned me about it ...
chadwick
pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
here is a rhino that has been poached. i spared you all the pictures of the ones with the horns savagely cut off...
normal person...
"oh my god, how awful! what have we allowed to happen here?"
ted nugent...
"trophy....he should have run faster...."
These pics reveal only your feelings about Ted
you are assuming Ted is in favor of illegal big game hunting and poaching :?
that is a huge assumption and my assumption from that comes ...
you are biased.
I would be inclined to presume from my lack of bias that
Ted respects animals, life and the hunt as many other hunters do.
I never heard that Ted Nugent was in support of poaching...any facts to back that up.
A lot of people big game hunt in Africa...legally...I've never heard of Nugent hunting illegally in Africa.
I think some train members resort to the extream and even....a little white lie to make a point, I looked and didn't see The NUGE in any of those pictures.
I never heard that Ted Nugent was in support of poaching...any facts to back that up.
A lot of people big game hunt in Africa...legally...I've never heard of Nugent hunting illegally in Africa.
I think some train members resort to the extream and even....a little white lie to make a point, I looked and didn't see The NUGE in any of those pictures.
Godfather.
Unfortunately that seems to be true...hunting is a perfectly legal activity...unless a person is a vegan, we do not have much room to talk...why can't people see that.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Hunting animals within the law is entirely different than abusing a pet, I think we
can all agree on that.
:?: Has anyone been talking about abusing pets? I don't think so.
Chad just questioned me about it ...
chadwick
pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
I think Chad was more looking at the possibility of hunting dogs for trophies and/or maybe eating them (in our culture) and wondering if you would have such an 'open heart' attitude towards an animal you may favour over another one (eg big game) if 'hunters' would do this. From your response, it would seem that hunting/killing a dog is animal abuse then, but for big game it's ok. Hmmmmm.... (Note: This obviously was theoretical as we are not talking about legality - we know it is illegal to hunt/kill a dog in the US. It is looking at the ethical side of things)
Unfortunately that seems to be true...hunting is a perfectly legal activity...unless a person is a vegan, we do not have much room to talk...why can't people see that.
So one is not allowed to comment, discuss, have thoughts about any legal activity? Do we have to be sheep and accept unconditionally everything that is 'legal'. Oil spills are from legal drilling, legal transport of oil, etc. Do we just hush every oil spill up? Death penalty is legal (in certain states/countries) - do we all have to accept this? And another one, for a bit of 'fun' for some, pooping in rivers, etc. is legal, can you imagine the pollution from the millions of people doing this? Can we not support a campaign for people to 'do the right thing' with their poop?
Unfortunately that seems to be true...hunting is a perfectly legal activity...unless a person is a vegan, we do not have much room to talk...why can't people see that.
So one is not allowed to comment, discuss, have thoughts about any legal activity? Do we have to be sheep and accept unconditionally everything that is 'legal'. Oil spills are from legal drilling, legal transport of oil, etc. Do we just hush every oil spill up? Death penalty is legal (in certain states/countries) - do we all have to accept this? And another one, for a bit of 'fun' for some, pooping in rivers, etc. is legal, can you imagine the pollution from the millions of people doing this? Can we not support a campaign for people to 'do the right thing' with their poop?
Nope never said that all...discuss whatever you want to discuss and however you want it discuss it. I am saying that you can not condone the slaughter of cattle/pigs/chickens etc., and then in the other breath criticize another because they choose to hunt deer, bear or what ever they hunt...really unless your a vegan or non meat eater you are somewhat responsible for the death of an animal...and I'm not a vegan.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Unfortunately that seems to be true...hunting is a perfectly legal activity...unless a person is a vegan, we do not have much room to talk...why can't people see that.
So one is not allowed to comment, discuss, have thoughts about any legal activity? Do we have to be sheep and accept unconditionally everything that is 'legal'. Oil spills are from legal drilling, legal transport of oil, etc. Do we just hush every oil spill up? Death penalty is legal (in certain states/countries) - do we all have to accept this? And another one, for a bit of 'fun' for some, pooping in rivers, etc. is legal, can you imagine the pollution from the millions of people doing this? Can we not support a campaign for people to 'do the right thing' with their poop?
support and comment on what ever you want but because A few of us don't have a problem with Ted's hunting some people on here make personal attacks which turns into back and forth meaningless arguments, I know you haven't but a few on here do and that's not o.k.
by the time this tread moves on a little who's knows what people will be saying about hunters.
Unfortunately that seems to be true...hunting is a perfectly legal activity...unless a person is a vegan, we do not have much room to talk...why can't people see that.
So one is not allowed to comment, discuss, have thoughts about any legal activity? Do we have to be sheep and accept unconditionally everything that is 'legal'. Oil spills are from legal drilling, legal transport of oil, etc. Do we just hush every oil spill up? Death penalty is legal (in certain states/countries) - do we all have to accept this? And another one, for a bit of 'fun' for some, pooping in rivers, etc. is legal, can you imagine the pollution from the millions of people doing this? Can we not support a campaign for people to 'do the right thing' with their poop?
Nope never said that all...discuss whatever you want to discuss and however you want it discuss it. I am saying that you can not condone the slaughter of cattle/pigs/chickens etc., and then in the other breath criticize another because they choose to hunt deer, bear or what ever they hunt...really unless your a vegan or non meat eater you are somewhat responsible for the death of an animal...and I'm not a vegan.
I think a clear distinction has been made between killing an animal for food and the wanton killing of an animal for no other reason than ' sport'. The thrill the chase and the kill and the added bonus of a stuffed head on your wall. I also said that true vegetarians would probably take exception to this. Raising and slaughtering animals for our consumption does also raise numerous ethical questions (manner of farming, of slaughtering...).
Maybe a bit of an extreme example to try and explain the difference.. Whilst understanding that killing another human being is wrong, we may distinguish between someone killing in self defence and another going out with a gun looking for someone to kill ' for the heck of it'. People may accept that the first scenario is wrong but ' acceptable' whilst the second one is just plain sick. Others may think killing is killing, whatever the reasons (like vegetarians with meat eaters) think distinction has clearly been made between killing an animal for food and wanton killing for the thrill of the chase and kill with no other goal than ' sports' and trophies.
So one is not allowed to comment, discuss, have thoughts about any legal activity? Do we have to be sheep and accept unconditionally everything that is 'legal'. Oil spills are from legal drilling, legal transport of oil, etc. Do we just hush every oil spill up? Death penalty is legal (in certain states/countries) - do we all have to accept this? And another one, for a bit of 'fun' for some, pooping in rivers, etc. is legal, can you imagine the pollution from the millions of people doing this? Can we not support a campaign for people to 'do the right thing' with their poop?
Nope never said that all...discuss whatever you want to discuss and however you want it discuss it. I am saying that you can not condone the slaughter of cattle/pigs/chickens etc., and then in the other breath criticize another because they choose to hunt deer, bear or what ever they hunt...really unless your a vegan or non meat eater you are somewhat responsible for the death of an animal...and I'm not a vegan.
I think a clear distinction has been made between killing an animal for food and the wanton killing of an animal for no other reason than ' sport'. The thrill the chase and the kill and the added bonus of a stuffed head on your wall. I also said that true vegetarians would probably take exception to this. Raising and slaughtering animals for our consumption does also raise numerous ethical questions (manner of farming, of slaughtering...).
Maybe a bit of an extreme example to try and explain the difference.. Whilst understanding that killing another human being is wrong, we may distinguish between someone killing in self defence and another going out with a gun looking for someone to kill ' for the heck of it'. People may accept that the first scenario is wrong but ' acceptable' whilst the second one is just plain sick. Others may think killing is killing, whatever the reasons (like vegetarians with meat eaters) think distinction has clearly been made between killing an animal for food and wanton killing for the thrill of the chase and kill with no other goal than ' sports' and trophies.
Well I'm just stating what my opinion is on the subject. I am not a Nugent fan nor do I condone harming an animal just to stuff and hang on your wall...but hunting for substances is really no different than going to a grocery store to buy a steak, except going to the grocery you don't get your hands dirty.
Now I've always read that any meat captured in the hunt by Nugent is not wasted...so if the meat is not wasted and he wants to stuff the animal should not be that big a deal...but I guess you would have to ask a hunter why the need to stuff an animal they've killed.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
I was just thinking about this...
I thought about those who have lived an entire lifetime without knowing the love
of a pet :shock: for me that is inconceivable but for them it is right, they feel
they are missing nothing.
Should I judge those who choose not to love dogs or who are afraid of them?
Those who choose to hate cats or think snakes are grotesque?
It is the same situation, in that it not up to me to choose another's values nor tell
them what they should do in their life. I manage my own. This is all I can do.
Hunting animals within the law is entirely different than abusing a pet, I think we
can all agree on that. I have gotten involved in animal abuse issues but that is not
what this thread is about.
It is about big game hunting and as I have said I will not judge another simply because
they are hunters. I have valid personal reasons, I have done so in my life
and been very wrong. You can not judge a heart by this alone and no one can know
another's motives nor what drives them individually.
i only need read your first few lines before replying. i try very hard to not ever ever use the word pet when refering to any of the animals i may have ever befriended and took into my home. they never ever were a pet of mine. i never ever were ever their master. not ever. that is the difference in you and i, pandora. i hope you think on that and let it roam around in your thoughts for awhile.
Unfortunately that seems to be true...hunting is a perfectly legal activity...unless a person is a vegan, we do not have much room to talk...why can't people see that.
So one is not allowed to comment, discuss, have thoughts about any legal activity? Do we have to be sheep and accept unconditionally everything that is 'legal'. Oil spills are from legal drilling, legal transport of oil, etc. Do we just hush every oil spill up? Death penalty is legal (in certain states/countries) - do we all have to accept this? And another one, for a bit of 'fun' for some, pooping in rivers, etc. is legal, can you imagine the pollution from the millions of people doing this? Can we not support a campaign for people to 'do the right thing' with their poop?
support and comment on what ever you want but because A few of us don't have a problem with Ted's hunting some people on here make personal attacks which turns into back and forth meaningless arguments, I know you haven't but a few on here do and that's not o.k.
by the time this tread moves on a little who's knows what people will be saying about hunters.
Godfather.
funny. personal attacks? you call this conversation and debate and even heated online back and forth writing between several folks, personal attacks? i am not seeing everything i guess.
Comments
Godfather.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
the you really don't have much room to talk...you are deciding what is a majestic animal...I find horses to be be amazing animals, very majestic, very powerful and so on...but many countries consume this animal...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Like I have said I'm in no position to judge. I did wrongly judge other hunters in the past,
no one can crawl into another's heart and know what motivates each and everyone,
it is a guess at best so why do it?
I learned to give people the benefit of the doubt, my slate isn't clean, I would hope people
would do that for me.
I feel to each their own.
As I said earlier I relocate spiders ... don't kill, I am no hunter
but I am also not a vegetarian anymore.
For me I feel, its important to find one's own values and follow them
and let others do the same without badgering and criticizing.
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
What about the cows, pigs, fish, chickens, turkeys....etc, etc?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Chadwick I hear ya as i've been trying to follow this thread. I'm for those who want to hunt for food it's their right to do so to survive. Many in Africa have no other choice but for those who choose to hunt to put it on a wall I think is rather pointless but if they get a thrill for such a thing and it's legal well more power to them.
For myself I'm a vegetarian now going on two years for the second time and i'm at peace with it. I'm the healthest I've been in years and I'm working towards becoming a vegan but one step at a time. As for Nugent if he's hunting and it's legal then fine but when he's doing so just for the thrill of the kill and it's illegal why would anyone think something is right about that I'll never know.
Peace everybody.
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If one does not care for our planet, our wildlife that is disappearing (up to 10,000 species per year - mass extinction due to humans and not geological/meteorological issues), our children only seeing rhinos, big cats, etc. in books or old photos, it's a sad reflection of our society.
Wildlife does not need to be exotic either, though some of these exotic species have been 'trophy hunted' to extinction or near extinction. What does this tell people when one can purchase a 'hunting experience' where, along your 'normal' deer, etc., exotic animals - some extinct in the wild, some considered critically endangered and others vulnerable - are offered for the 'hunt'? Just for some person to be able to stuff an animal that none of his neighbours may have. A trophy reflecting what exactly? Animals are 'there', rounded up, baited. Shooting skills? Can be done at a shooting range, no need to kill for the thrill. I guess that's the word - thrill and 'power'.
Below are the kind of animals offered. Some may be familiar, most aren't to the average person. As we are speaking of Nugent and he seems to be a 'spokesperson' for this type of activity, a while back there was a sweepstake of some sort to win a birthday bash with Nugent at this ranch - hunting and partying with him. Also, whilst we are on the subject of sports/trophy hunting, I seem to remember that this same person, a few years back, sold a number of his 'trophies' as he was moving house (he was generous and autographed them all too!). These included a rhino head - a critically endangered species.
EXOTICS:
Aoudad
Axis
Bison
Blackbuck Antelope
Black Hawaiian Sheep
Catalina
Corsican Sheep
Elk
Fallow Deer
Four Horn Sheep
Mouflon
Nilgai
Red Stag (Mgmt.)
Red Stag (Trophy)
Sika
Texas Dall Sheep
SUPER EXOTICS:
Addax
Beisa Oryx
Dama Gazelle
Dybowski Sika
Eland
Gemsbok
Himalayan Tahr
Kudu
Pere David Deer
Red Sheep
Scimitar-Horned Oryx
Springbok
Waterbuck
Wildebeest
ahhh ok.. so long as we kill in the dark and don't talk about it then it's ok ? we are the dominate species right ?
Godfather.
I thought about those who have lived an entire lifetime without knowing the love
of a pet :shock:
they are missing nothing.
Should I judge those who choose not to love dogs or who are afraid of them?
Those who choose to hate cats or think snakes are grotesque?
It is the same situation, in that it not up to me to choose another's values nor tell
them what they should do in their life. I manage my own. This is all I can do.
Hunting animals within the law is entirely different than abusing a pet, I think we
can all agree on that. I have gotten involved in animal abuse issues but that is not
what this thread is about.
It is about big game hunting and as I have said I will not judge another simply because
they are hunters. I have valid personal reasons, I have done so in my life
and been very wrong. You can not judge a heart by this alone and no one can know
another's motives nor what drives them individually.
first thought when seeing this animal in the wild.....
normal person......
"wow, look at that beautiful white lion. how awesome is that?"
ted nugent...
"wow look at that beautiful white lion....i need to get my gun and make it dead....YEEE HAW!!!"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
normal person...
"oh my god, how awful! what have we allowed to happen here?"
ted nugent...
"trophy....he should have run faster...."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
These pics reveal only your feelings about Ted
you are assuming Ted is in favor of illegal big game hunting and poaching :?
that is a huge assumption and my assumption from that comes ...
you are biased.
I would be inclined to presume from my lack of bias that
Ted respects animals, life and the hunt as many other hunters do.
A lot of people big game hunt in Africa...legally...I've never heard of Nugent hunting illegally in Africa.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think some train members resort to the extream and even....a little white lie to make a point, I looked and didn't see The NUGE in any of those pictures.
Godfather.
Unfortunately that seems to be true...hunting is a perfectly legal activity...unless a person is a vegan, we do not have much room to talk...why can't people see that.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think Chad was more looking at the possibility of hunting dogs for trophies and/or maybe eating them (in our culture) and wondering if you would have such an 'open heart' attitude towards an animal you may favour over another one (eg big game) if 'hunters' would do this. From your response, it would seem that hunting/killing a dog is animal abuse then, but for big game it's ok. Hmmmmm.... (Note: This obviously was theoretical as we are not talking about legality - we know it is illegal to hunt/kill a dog in the US. It is looking at the ethical side of things)
So one is not allowed to comment, discuss, have thoughts about any legal activity? Do we have to be sheep and accept unconditionally everything that is 'legal'. Oil spills are from legal drilling, legal transport of oil, etc. Do we just hush every oil spill up? Death penalty is legal (in certain states/countries) - do we all have to accept this? And another one, for a bit of 'fun' for some, pooping in rivers, etc. is legal, can you imagine the pollution from the millions of people doing this? Can we not support a campaign for people to 'do the right thing' with their poop?
Nope never said that all...discuss whatever you want to discuss and however you want it discuss it. I am saying that you can not condone the slaughter of cattle/pigs/chickens etc., and then in the other breath criticize another because they choose to hunt deer, bear or what ever they hunt...really unless your a vegan or non meat eater you are somewhat responsible for the death of an animal...and I'm not a vegan.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
support and comment on what ever you want but because A few of us don't have a problem with Ted's hunting some people on here make personal attacks which turns into back and forth meaningless arguments, I know you haven't but a few on here do and that's not o.k.
by the time this tread moves on a little who's knows what people will be saying about hunters.
Godfather.
I think a clear distinction has been made between killing an animal for food and the wanton killing of an animal for no other reason than ' sport'. The thrill the chase and the kill and the added bonus of a stuffed head on your wall. I also said that true vegetarians would probably take exception to this. Raising and slaughtering animals for our consumption does also raise numerous ethical questions (manner of farming, of slaughtering...).
Maybe a bit of an extreme example to try and explain the difference.. Whilst understanding that killing another human being is wrong, we may distinguish between someone killing in self defence and another going out with a gun looking for someone to kill ' for the heck of it'. People may accept that the first scenario is wrong but ' acceptable' whilst the second one is just plain sick. Others may think killing is killing, whatever the reasons (like vegetarians with meat eaters) think distinction has clearly been made between killing an animal for food and wanton killing for the thrill of the chase and kill with no other goal than ' sports' and trophies.
Well I'm just stating what my opinion is on the subject. I am not a Nugent fan nor do I condone harming an animal just to stuff and hang on your wall...but hunting for substances is really no different than going to a grocery store to buy a steak, except going to the grocery you don't get your hands dirty.
Now I've always read that any meat captured in the hunt by Nugent is not wasted...so if the meat is not wasted and he wants to stuff the animal should not be that big a deal...but I guess you would have to ask a hunter why the need to stuff an animal they've killed.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
funny. personal attacks? you call this conversation and debate and even heated online back and forth writing between several folks, personal attacks? i am not seeing everything i guess.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce