Canadian Politics

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Drowned Out said:

man, I'm so tired of the Con attack ads against Trudeau. My radio or tv is on for a total of about 1 hour a day and I hear them at least once or twice per day.
"he's just not ready'.....mentioning legalization and saying 'he's got some growing up to do'.....managing to throw ISIS into the ad....
They say 'he has some growing up to do', then end the ad with the sound of a hair blower??? Fuckin seriously? They make fun of his hair while telling him to grow up?
I am no liberal supporter, but the Cons reinvent new lows every fucking day. Harper just makes my skin crawl.

This. Big time.

I have to watch that stupid ad where the gaggle of old cronies sit with his resume and mock the idea for legalization of pot (which is a freaking great idea)... and proceed to say, " Not saying forever... just not now." With the big 'he's not ready' panel.

Harper's government needs the toe like no other government I can remember in recent decades. I'll roll the dice on Trudeau.

TalonTedd

ABC, ABC, ABC...
I hope the NDP run away with the election and get a shot at righting the many wrongs Harper has done to the country. Start with taxing the rich and the corporations. Bring in the national daycare program and scrap or halve the fighter jet thing. And just take better care of the working class and the poor. Corporate profits and the wealthiest need to be tamed and reduced. Share the wealth and end poverty in this country now!

In joyous part.

PJ_Soul

Harper makes my skin crawl too...... I even feel like he looks like a pedophile, lol. I'm sure he's not, but he sure looks like one to me.
I really do wish that the NDP and the Liberals would form a coalition. Their refusal to do that is trapping Canada with a Conservative government. I can't even see a light at the end of the tunnel unless they pull together on the left. We will live under the "Harper Government" until the asshole hands it over to some new asshole.
I understand why both parties would be hesitant to form a coalition, but I think they are on pages close enough together to be able to cooperate and compromise for the benefit of Canadians, which should be their main concern.

TalonTedd

For me a coalition would be far more acceptable than any conservative gov. But I really want to see the NDP take office for their first time.

Harper reminds me of a guy who was bullied his whole childhood and grew up with a huge chip on his shoulder and is looking to settle scores. A diabolical villian.

1ThoughtKnown

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

Not to sound rude or anything, but I Keep who I vote for private, and as such never ask others how they vote. I like to discuss politics and I will say I am not affiliated with any political party. I take great interest in who will be representing my riding in Parliament, not just the party .

How come you keep it private? I know a lot of people have this attitude about it, but I never understood why they feel that way. What exactly are you trying to hide? Your political views? If so, why?

Some things in life are no one else's business. Who I vote for is one of them.

1ThoughtKnown

dignin said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

Not to sound rude or anything, but I Keep who I vote for private, and as such never ask others how they vote. I like to discuss politics and I will say I am not affiliated with any political party. I take great interest in who will be representing my riding in Parliament, not just the party .

I have no trouble letting anyone I know who I will be voting for. ABC

So I will be voting for the party/leader/candidate who has the best shot at getting in who isn't conservative. Although I would prefer that candidate be from the NDP party, I'm not married to the idea.

And make no mistake, even if you don't live in Harpers riding, a vote for a con is still a vote for Harper. It's his party. If you think any backbencher has any power, you are sadly mistaken.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/07/30/video-shows-conservative-mps-reading-from-identical-script.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZcpNJxB4Mk

I don't need a lesson on backbenchers and the like. I know how parliamentary democracy works.
I do not take voting lightly. I do my research and that includes the "backbencher" or "cabinet member" or "opposition critic" who will represent my riding.
Meaningful political dialogue is never engaging when someone is simply "anybody but so-and-so" in my opinion.
My vote will be educated, based on party platform, history, and local representation. Of course the leader is important, but as I have said in a previous post, none of the, are inspiring. Therefore, I am going to dig deeper.
Whether a "con" a "lib" a "socialist" or a "tree hugger"

But I thought you have already made up your mind? You're full of contradictions my friend.

"I know who I am voting for and I won't be listening to all this BS"

But what the fuck do I know, I'm just here to get my thread count up

Fair point, I did say I have made up my mind. However, they still have time to change it. That is the beauty of a campaign.
Part of me thinks I should ignore those buffoons and vote for the best MP candidate in my riding.


Perhaps I am just talking out both sides of my mouth because it gets the hard line leftists riled up loll

PJ_Soul

1ThoughtKnown said:

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

Not to sound rude or anything, but I Keep who I vote for private, and as such never ask others how they vote. I like to discuss politics and I will say I am not affiliated with any political party. I take great interest in who will be representing my riding in Parliament, not just the party .

How come you keep it private? I know a lot of people have this attitude about it, but I never understood why they feel that way. What exactly are you trying to hide? Your political views? If so, why?

Some things in life are no one else's business. Who I vote for is one of them.

Yes, I gathered that. I was just wondering why that is. The reason behind feeling like it's so secret.

1ThoughtKnown

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

Not to sound rude or anything, but I Keep who I vote for private, and as such never ask others how they vote. I like to discuss politics and I will say I am not affiliated with any political party. I take great interest in who will be representing my riding in Parliament, not just the party .

How come you keep it private? I know a lot of people have this attitude about it, but I never understood why they feel that way. What exactly are you trying to hide? Your political views? If so, why?

Some things in life are no one else's business. Who I vote for is one of them.

Yes, I gathered that. I was just wondering why that is. The reason behind feeling like it's so secret.

Why do you think the voting booth is private? If it was anyone else's business who you were voting for, everyone would go in and tell some one and they would put a check mark.
Who you vote for is your own business, if you choose,to blab to whomever you want to about your voting strategy to influence others, that is your business.
If I choose to not vote (as that is a vote itself and my democratic right) then some self righteous blowhard will tell me I have no right to complain when policy doesn't go my way (rubbish).
If I choose to vote NDP, I am a bleeding heart liberal.
If I vote conservative, I am a new-com.
If I vote liberal, I am an idiot,
If I vote Green, I am a tree hugging granola.

Basically, whomever I vote for I am none of the above. And since I don't appreciate being labelled, I keep my voting preference to myself. By the way, this is not a hostile answer. I was also raised this way. You never, never ever ask:
1) how someone voted
2) how much money they make
3) what the tab was on a meal you are not paying for
4) a woman's age
5) if a woman is pregnant

Some of these are obvious if you want to live to see old age...:lol

Drowned Out

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

PJ_Soul said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

Not to sound rude or anything, but I Keep who I vote for private, and as such never ask others how they vote. I like to discuss politics and I will say I am not affiliated with any political party. I take great interest in who will be representing my riding in Parliament, not just the party .

How come you keep it private? I know a lot of people have this attitude about it, but I never understood why they feel that way. What exactly are you trying to hide? Your political views? If so, why?

Some things in life are no one else's business. Who I vote for is one of them.

Yes, I gathered that. I was just wondering why that is. The reason behind feeling like it's so secret.

Well...if you read back in this thread....1thought told us that he saw the AB NDP govt coming and went and got a union job. Soooo....if he publicly admits to voting Con, he'll be condemned by his 'brothers'. If he admits to voting NDP, he will feel like a sellout because he employs the 'social liberal, fiscal conservative' fallacy as part of his belief structure. amiright?

rgambs

What confuses me is why a person engages in political debate if they find their vote to be such a private subject.
To each their own I guess.

1ThoughtKnown

Social liberal, fiscal conservative fallacy

1ThoughtKnown

That's me... Living a lie

Drowned Out

I've used the phrase in the past myself....but was called out on it once, and came to realize it is a cop out. it really IS a fallacy. Social and economic issues are 110% intertwined. define it for me?

1ThoughtKnown

Don't waste my tax dollars and stay out of my bedroom. It is hardly rocket science.

How is something 110% intertwined? Anyways, wasting a lot of money on social programs is of course why it is connected. I am for social programs (that work).
Government accountability to where the money is going would be good. I don't want people living in the street that don't want to, but don't want to pay for deadbeats who have no desire to better themselves.
In fact, I wish more money would go to health care programs because most of the homeless are mentally ill and medicate themselves with booze and drugs.

Drowned Out

1ThoughtKnown said:

Don't waste my tax dollars and stay out of my bedroom. It is hardly rocket science.

You think fiscal liberals support unaccountable, wasteful spending?
Staying out of the bedroom, and many other 'social liberal' positions (anti-war on drugs etc) are rights issues that require nothing from the government to NOT enforce. So are you drawing the line for social liberalism at 'requires my money'? Doesn't really sound like it below.

1ThoughtKnown said:

How is something 110% intertwined? Anyways, wasting a lot of money on social programs is of course why it is connected. I am for social programs (that work).
Government accountability to where the money is going would be good. I don't want people living in the street that don't want to, but don't want to pay for deadbeats who have no desire to better themselves.
In fact, I wish more money would go to health care programs because most of the homeless are mentally ill and medicate themselves with booze and drugs.

The majority of 'social liberal' issues that require government involvement are tied to poverty, which is an economic issue. that's how they're intertwined. Are you not still an economic liberal if you support more tax money going to mental health and medical care? (you'll need a lot more of those dollars if you're drawing the line at healthcare and not at food/shelter for those mentally ill 'deadbeats')

My point is, the conservative (and internationally, neo-liberal) approach of deregulation, free trade, opposing unions and minimum wages, of opposing social safety net programs etc etc is 110% ( ) counterproductive to any social liberal cause that requires government involvement.
Also, government accountability isn't a ideologically partisan issue.

1ThoughtKnown

The "deadbeats" are not the mentally ill and I never meant for it to come across that way. I stopped reading your post at that point.
It all becomes noise to me at this point. It is a pointless argument on "what it is called".

I believe what I believe. We can debate that, but I am not going to debate in labels, etc.
it's just not mentally stimulating. Something off Twatter or Facialbook

Drowned Out

You called yourself that label previously, then questioned why I thought the label was a fallacy/cop out, so I explained. You posted in sound bytes and generalization about accountability and waste, poverty and disenfranchisement...so I replied in kind. But no worries, we can drop it if I'm not stimulating you enough

Re: the 'deadbeats'...would you agree that pretty much anyone with no drive to be self sufficient is likely suffering from some sort of mental disorder?

I agree that more money should go to healthcare...and I think too much blame is pointed at spending on social programs, and not enough toward corporate welfare, and military/'security' spending. i mean...you've complained about the banks before....when talking waste and accountability, and the things that are dragging us down, that's an example of who we should be talking about. Not deadbeats. Small potatoes by comparison.

1ThoughtKnown

Small government is where it is at.
Socialism for the rich is wrong too.
Help for those who NEED IT, not for the lazy. I don't believe everyone who lacks drive to succeed is mentally ill. There are people who use the social safety net to their advantage.
I disagree with corporate welfare, because it is socialism for the rich. I wish socialism could really work, I do. But when I see how much of my wages go to federal and provincial taxes, (not to mention sales tax, property tax) I have to ask when does it end? How much more can I give until it starts to effect me and my family?
I wish we had a tax system completely set up on a user fees/tax system. Similar to VAT in Europe. Income tax is a scam... I get taxed for WORKING?
Anyway... Overall I will stand behind what I have said in the past, as a proud Canadian.
We have the best political ideology in the world, the perfect blend of socialism and capitalism.
What worries me is that the extreme left just continually thinks the rich or corporations should pay more and more taxes.
Combined, my wife and I make close to a half million a year, and if you don't think we pay a LOT of taxes, you are delusional. I wish I new they we were being used properly.

Drowned Out

i haven't said anything about anyone paying more taxes. I did mention that we should re-prioritize spending. That said, if not taxes, how do we close the gap of income inequality? Or do you not think that's a problem?
anyway....this discussion gets really broad and ideological.

I bumped this to see if any of you have taken the quiz at https://canada.isidewith.com/political-quiz
I did, and was really surprised to see my results come back with the Liberal party as my closest match at 91%...then the Greens at 90%....NDP at 88%, and Communist at 75%.....Cons at 10% (shocker)...I think if I put more thought and research into my answers, that would even go down - the only agreement I had with their platform was on election reform, and I am admittedly waaaay underinformed on that topic. Pretty sure that if I agreed with the Cons on it, I need to do more reading I had put very little thought into some of the questions prior to this quiz; haven't read into my options enough to have made informed decisions. I am going to do some reading and re-take the quiz.
What a great site tho! Tons and tons of info, and an ability to check popular opinion based on nation, province, or city, for each question....compare platforms, discuss stances. great stuff. Not to patronize, but I think everyone should spend a lot of time on this site before the election!