Canadian Politics

rgambs

1ThoughtKnown said:

Watched "The Four Horsemen" documentary last night, certainly gave me a lot to think about.
I'm still trying to process it all, as we do not have the (quite) same central bank situation as the USA, however we are all involved in the FIAT monetary system.
It certainly was food for thought, especially with some of the respected people who were commenting in the documentary.
Is it the system? If it is, you can never blame the system because humans created it.
The fascinating part to me is Classical Economics vs. Neoclassical Economics. Taxing the RESOURCES instead of sales tax/income tax. I will admit, it is becoming apparent trickle down economics is not working. The debt load is becoming unmanageable.
I never would have thought/known US aid would have caused more problems in foreign countries than helped.

I can honestly say . . . Perhaps, Keynesian economics has it all wrong, and a return to classical economics can save the west...

That kind of talk would be blasphemy in most circles down here! You would be branded a socialist, which is definitely a dirty word.

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^^
I like the saying "Socialists always run out of other people's money"

1ThoughtKnown

But when you bail out corporations (the investment bankers) because they are "too big to fail" is that not Socialism for the elite?
I am starting to think the US is more socialist than Canada

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^^
Yes look at the GM disaster bailout.
Canada goes to great lengths to ensure that a net-benefit occurs with deals we make with other countries.

1ThoughtKnown

Exactly, Ford fixed their problem before the crisis, GM and Chrysler needed bailout money. Same argument was used.
The government BORROWS money from the banks, GIVES it to the corporations. Sounds socialist to me. Wouldn't a true capitalist have said "you fucked up, fix it yourself"
Instead, they fed some bullshit to the public about how all their jobs would be lost and the economy would never recover, CHAOS. Similar to the scare tactics used in the war on terror.

So the taxpayer is on the hook for bailing out the companies who should have been allowed to fail.

We all need to collectively pull our heads out of our asses. If we don't, things will get ugly.

rgambs

1ThoughtKnown said:

But when you bail out corporations (the investment bankers) because they are "too big to fail" is that not Socialism for the elite?
I am starting to think the US is more socialist than Canada

Bingo!
Except we call it crony capitalism bbecause even that is better than the S word.

dignin

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/stephen-harper-bans-journalists-from-his-events

Journalists Are Banned from Stephen Harper's Events and It’s Stupid Nonsense

It's been a problem since time immemorial. Whether it's editing Joseph Stalin's executed allies out of his photos or Barack Obama cherry-picking friendly media to roll out carefully packaged news stories, leaders always want to control the message.

But most leaders recognize that there's a balance between message-strangling and the public's right to know.

Not Stephen Harper, apparently. Not anymore.

dignin

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/election-debate-dates-set-by-broadcasters-without-conservatives-1.3145190


Election debate dates set by broadcasters without Conservatives


What an embarrassment. How could this fly?

dignin

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/jen-gerson-stephen-harpers-game-of-dodge-the-press-shows-hes-a-shabby-mascot-of-conservative-values

Jen Gerson: Stephen Harper’s game of dodge-the-press shows he’s a shabby mascot of conservative values

PJfanwillneverleave1

dignin said:

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/stephen-harper-bans-journalists-from-his-events

Journalists Are Banned from Stephen Harper's Events and It’s Stupid Nonsense

It's been a problem since time immemorial. Whether it's editing Joseph Stalin's executed allies out of his photos or Barack Obama cherry-picking friendly media to roll out carefully packaged news stories, leaders always want to control the message.

But most leaders recognize that there's a balance between message-strangling and the public's right to know.

Not Stephen Harper, apparently. Not anymore.

I think having a majority government for so long they have pretty much earned the right to say that either you are in the know or you or not media be damned.

1ThoughtKnown

So Harper drops the writ.
Has there ever been a federal election more uninspiring or predictable than this?
Trudeau and Harper with (lame) mudslinging ads back and forth and Mulcair with his boring rhetoric about how he is the one who will create jobs because that is the number one issue. How is that going to go over with all of those environmentalists you pander to Mulcair? Jobs = industry and the unions who support you, the same union workers that the environmental lobbyists would like to see working at a hotel in Canmore. Or May coming out screaming some nonsense of not just being a "one issue party".

11 weeks of the news full of lame sound bites. Can't wait.

Harper wins
Mulcair is the official opposition
Trudeau loses his own seat

Do we not have any intelligent leaders who can inspire the Canadian public anymore? (Or the U.S. For that matter?)
All the leaders seem like buffoons to me. It is sad because we are such a great country with great people, yet we have political party leaders with the personality of wet noodle. Ugh.. Can't wait for Oct 19th. I know who I am voting for and I won't be listening to all this BS

dignin

1ThoughtKnown said:

So Harper drops the writ.
Has there ever been a federal election more uninspiring or predictable than this?
Trudeau and Harper with (lame) mudslinging ads back and forth and Mulcair with his boring rhetoric about how he is the one who will create jobs because that is the number one issue. How is that going to go over with all of those environmentalists you pander to Mulcair? Jobs = industry and the unions who support you, the same union workers that the environmental lobbyists would like to see working at a hotel in Canmore. Or May coming out screaming some nonsense of not just being a "one issue party".

11 weeks of the news full of lame sound bites. Can't wait.

Harper wins
Mulcair is the official opposition
Trudeau loses his own seat

Do we not have any intelligent leaders who can inspire the Canadian public anymore? (Or the U.S. For that matter?)
All the leaders seem like buffoons to me. It is sad because we are such a great country with great people, yet we have political party leaders with the personality of wet noodle. Ugh.. Can't wait for Oct 19th. I know who I am voting for and I won't be listening to all this BS

So who you voting for?

dignin

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

dignin

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/08/03/ndp-surges-past-conservatives-liberals-in-latest-poll.html

NDP surges past Conservatives, Liberals in latest poll
New Democrats take double-digit lead in public support

1ThoughtKnown

dignin said:

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

Not to sound rude or anything, but I Keep who I vote for private, and as such never ask others how they vote. I like to discuss politics and I will say I am not affiliated with any political party. I take great interest in who will be representing my riding in Parliament, not just the party .

PJfanwillneverleave1

Conservatives dissolving parliament this early is a visceral action that will keep the majority engaged.

dignin

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

Not to sound rude or anything, but I Keep who I vote for private, and as such never ask others how they vote. I like to discuss politics and I will say I am not affiliated with any political party. I take great interest in who will be representing my riding in Parliament, not just the party .

I have no trouble letting anyone I know who I will be voting for. ABC

So I will be voting for the party/leader/candidate who has the best shot at getting in who isn't conservative. Although I would prefer that candidate be from the NDP party, I'm not married to the idea.

And make no mistake, even if you don't live in Harpers riding, a vote for a con is still a vote for Harper. It's his party. If you think any backbencher has any power, you are sadly mistaken.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/07/30/video-shows-conservative-mps-reading-from-identical-script.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZcpNJxB4Mk

dignin

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Conservatives dissolving parliament this early is a visceral action that will keep the majority engaged.

They may fall victim to being too clever....just ask Jim Prentice how well that can turn out.

PJfanwillneverleave1

dignin said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

dignin said:

Here is a hint at who I won't be voting for

Not to sound rude or anything, but I Keep who I vote for private, and as such never ask others how they vote. I like to discuss politics and I will say I am not affiliated with any political party. I take great interest in who will be representing my riding in Parliament, not just the party .

I have no trouble letting anyone I know who I will be voting for. ABC

So I will be voting for the party/leader/candidate who has the best shot at getting in who isn't conservative. Although I would prefer that candidate be from the NDP party, I'm not married to the idea.

And make no mistake, even if you don't live in Harpers riding, a vote for a con is still a vote for Harper. It's his party. If you think any backbencher has any power, you are sadly mistaken.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/07/30/video-shows-conservative-mps-reading-from-identical-script.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZcpNJxB4Mk

That is why they are called a party.
This is not surprising or news.
They all tow the line.

PJfanwillneverleave1

dignin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Conservatives dissolving parliament this early is a visceral action that will keep the majority engaged.

They may fall victim to being too clever....just ask Jim Prentice how well that can turn out.

They already thought of that.