Trayvon Martin

g under p

Godfather. wrote:

Jeanwah all the facts keep coming out a little at a time a just because a KID is dead does not mean the shooter is guilty of anything except protecting himself,we here on the train only know what keeps coming out in the news and so far it keeps leaning towards the shooter protecting himself and the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black...we don't even know for sure who was screaming in the back ground of the 911 call...as one of the other train members keeps saying"lets wait to see" because this case is far from over.

Godfather.

We all will wait and see however in the interim...*the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black* NO not because he's black but guilty that Martin was shot dead and cannot speak for himself ever. At the moment the federal investigation will have to speak for him.

Peace

Godfather.

g under p wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Jeanwah all the facts keep coming out a little at a time a just because a KID is dead does not mean the shooter is guilty of anything except protecting himself,we here on the train only know what keeps coming out in the news and so far it keeps leaning towards the shooter protecting himself and the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black...we don't even know for sure who was screaming in the back ground of the 911 call...as one of the other train members keeps saying"lets wait to see" because this case is far from over.

Godfather.

We all will wait and see however in the interim...*the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black* NO not because he's black but guilty that Martin was shot dead and cannot speak for himself ever. At the moment the federal investigation will have to speak for him.

Peace

because trayvon is dead does not mean the shooter is guilty does it ?

Godfather.

ComeToTX

Godfather. wrote:

Jeanwah all the facts keep coming out a little at a time a just because a KID is dead does not mean the shooter is guilty of anything except protecting himself,we here on the train only know what keeps coming out in the news and so far it keeps leaning towards the shooter protecting himself and the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black...we don't even know for sure who was screaming in the back ground of the 911 call...as one of the other train members keeps saying"lets wait to see" because this case is far from over.

Godfather.

He's at least guilty of following him when he was told not to. That led to the confrontation and eventually the shooting and death. He may never be charged with anything but that doesn't mean he's not responsible for the death of this kid.

RW81233

godfather, most of the information that is coming out about trayvon has been illegally obtained. if the police department is behind getting his sealed school records, then this shit is about to get crazy. most of the information we've learned from this stuff is worthless - so trayvon got caught with weed, and drew graffitti what does that show us about him throwing fists? further trayvon has never been arrested, zimmerman has - for assault. the eyewitness account, the most damaging thing to the case, has been challenged by the original officer's findings. thus we've really gone nowhere with this other than a kid is dead, and the man who shot him is free.

g under p

Godfather. wrote:

Jeanwah all the facts keep coming out a little at a time a just because a KID is dead does not mean the shooter is guilty of anything except protecting himself,we here on the train only know what keeps coming out in the news and so far it keeps leaning towards the shooter protecting himself and the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black...we don't even know for sure who was screaming in the back ground of the 911 call...as one of the other train members keeps saying"lets wait to see" because this case is far from over.

Godfather.

Godfather. wrote:

g under p wrote:

We all will wait and see however in the interim...*the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black* NO not because he's black but guilty that Martin was shot dead and cannot speak for himself ever. At the moment the federal investigation will have to speak for him.

Peace

because trayvon is dead does not mean the shooter is guilty does it ?

Godfather.

Did Zimmerman shoot Martin? YES....he's guilty of Shooting Martin as i said above. Now is he guilty of a CRIME that's another story and the investigation will come to some conclusion i hope. now do you see what I was saying godfather.

Peace

Indifference

Interesting Article:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colu ... 802.column

Did the NYT come up with a new one - White Hispanic?

Godfather.

g under p wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Jeanwah all the facts keep coming out a little at a time a just because a KID is dead does not mean the shooter is guilty of anything except protecting himself,we here on the train only know what keeps coming out in the news and so far it keeps leaning towards the shooter protecting himself and the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black...we don't even know for sure who was screaming in the back ground of the 911 call...as one of the other train members keeps saying"lets wait to see" because this case is far from over.

Godfather.

Godfather. wrote:

g under p wrote:

We all will wait and see however in the interim...*the only reason everybody on the train keeps saying the shooter is guilty is because trayvon was 17 years old and black* NO not because he's black but guilty that Martin was shot dead and cannot speak for himself ever. At the moment the federal investigation will have to speak for him.

Peace

because trayvon is dead does not mean the shooter is guilty does it ?

Godfather.

Did Zimmerman shoot Martin? YES....he's guilty of Shooting Martin as i said above. Now is he guilty of a CRIME that's another story and the investigation will come to some conclusion i hope. now do you see what I was saying godfather.

Peace

o.k I see what you're saying but I can't use the word guilty untell there is a court that proves him guilty but you you are right that zimmerman shot him but why ? and and was it a justifiable shoot ?

Godfather.

cincybearcat

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Suspended from school and the mother sends him to Florida for a vacation? Suspended from school and the father lets him out of the house to go to the store? Really? Nice parenting.

so he needs to be locked up in a room because he got suspended from school? he can't go out and get some skittles? really?

It's a different topic really, but yes. If the kid is suspended for school for 10 days I really don't think letting him go out by himself is effective parenting.

Godfather.

Indifference wrote:

Interesting Article:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colu ... 802.column

Did the NYT come up with a new one - White Hispanic?

white hispanic..... it's whities fault !

great artical !

Godfather.

RW81233

ummm...guys white hispanic is on the U.S. Census (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-1.pdf). do any of you do your own research from primary sources or do you let the media interpret things for you and take that as truth?

cincybearcat

RW81233 wrote:

ummm...guys white hispanic is on the U.S. Census (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-1.pdf). do any of you do your own research from primary sources or do you let the media interpret things for you and take that as truth?

Correct. But don't pretend to think they didn't have certain motives for stressing things. When is the last time you saw an article state someone as "White Hispanic" as opposed to "Hispanic"?

And while Trayvon's race was immediately disclosed, just how long was it before anyone in the media reported the race of Zimmerman? That's right, it wasn't until his dad spoke.

It's very clear what the media was trying to do here. It makes it a bigger story. And now it doesn't even matter what the truth actually is anymore.

gimmesometruth27

Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted Manslaughter Charge

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-in ... ories.html

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman's attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman's claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.

Zimmerman, 28, claimed he shot Martin, 17, in self defense.

One complicating factor in the investigation was that the first detective to interview Zimmerman about the shooting was a narcotics officer rather than a homicide detective.

The State Attorney's office said only "no comment" when asked about the affidavit today.

The revelation is the latest salvo in a war of leaks meant to bolster each side amid rising tension over the shooting.

Martin's family attorney confirmed today that the teenager was suspended from his Miami school three times over the past year.

Martin's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, will appear before a House panel today and rallies continue around the country demanding that Zimmermanbe arrested.

About 200 to 250 protesters gathered in front of the Justice Department today to demand the Justice Department to charge Zimmerman with a federal hate crime.

Martin may have cut a more imposing figure than previously known. Recent pictures on the web and social media show him with gold dental grill and making obscene gestures to the camera.

In addition, Martin's Miami school records show that he has been suspended three times.

Family attorney Benjamin Crump confirmed to ABC News that Martin had been slapped with a 10 day school suspension after a bag with suspected marijuana was found in his backpack.

Last year Martin was suspended for spraying graffiti on school grounds. The Miami Herald reported that the school guard who stopped him searched his backpack and found 12 items of women's jewelry and a flathead screw driver that the guard believed to be a "burglary implement." But Martin was never charged or specifically disciplined for the incident.

Crump alleged that the Sanford police had leaked damaging information about Martin into order to muddy the case, calling it a "conspiracy." Crump called the school disciplinary problems "irrelevant" to the case that "an unarmed 17 year kid was killed."

The case has triggered national interest with pro-Martin rallies in cities from coast to coast. Martin's mother has moved to trademark two popular rallying cries, "I am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon." The family said it does not want want other people printing memorabilia.

"Sybrina Fulton has no desire to profit from her son's death, but wants to protect her son's name legacy," said family representative Ryan Julison.

Martin was shot as he made his way to his father's fiance's house while returning from a convenience store where he bought a pack of Skittles and iced tea. He was followed by Zimmerman who found him suspicious.

At some point, Zimmerman ignored the suggestion from a 911 dispatcher that he stop following Martin, left his truck and went to look for Martin.

At the same time, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend and complained that someone was following him.

What happened then is not clear. The girlfriend has said that she heard Martin ask someone, "Why are you following me?" before the sounds of a scuffle and the phone was disconnected.

Zimmerman is described as 5-foot-9 and well over 200 pounds while Martin was 6-foot-3 and 150 pounds.

Leaks from the police report detail Zimmerman telling police he was heading back to his truck when Martin knocked him down with a punch to his nose, jumped on him, repeatedly banged his head on the ground, then tried to grab Zimmerman's gun.

In a struggle for Zimmerman's gun, the watchman shot the teenager, Zimmerman told police.

Indifference

RW81233 wrote:

ummm...guys white hispanic is on the U.S. Census (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-1.pdf). do any of you do your own research from primary sources or do you let the media interpret things for you and take that as truth?

The point is how many times does the media use that term (if ever) but NYT does in this case - why?

RW81233

cincybearcat wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

ummm...guys white hispanic is on the U.S. Census (http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-1.pdf). do any of you do your own research from primary sources or do you let the media interpret things for you and take that as truth?

Correct. But don't pretend to think they didn't have certain motives for stressing things. When is the last time you saw an article state someone as "White Hispanic" as opposed to "Hispanic"?

And while Trayvon's race was immediately disclosed, just how long was it before anyone in the media reported the race of Zimmerman? That's right, it wasn't until his dad spoke.

It's very clear what the media was trying to do here. It makes it a bigger story. And now it doesn't even matter what the truth actually is anymore.

someone asked if the NYT made up a racial/ethnic category, and I just pointed out that wasn't true. can't the same argument be made that if you think the NYT's is using white to create a bigger racial issue, making the false statement that the NYT made up a racial term to make race an issue be accused of doing the same thing for a different political agenda?

RW81233

http://www.v103.com/cc-common/mainheadl ... le=9957725

Tuesday, March 27, 2012
George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests
Did George Zimmerman have help from his father, a retired judge, in clearing his name in three separate arrests?


That’s the question that’s being asked now that more information on Trayvon Martin’s 28-year-old killer is being revealed. Robert Zimmerman, a former Orange County magistrate judge, recently wrote a letter to The Orlando Sentinel defending his son, who’s been dragged through the mud for shooting the unarmed 17-year-old last month. In the letter, the senior Zimmerman asks people not to jump to conclusions and insists that his son didn’t follow the young boy home as he walked through their gated community.

“He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever. The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media,” wrote Robert Zimmerman.

Now more info is being dug up on his “victimized” son through public records and revealing his checkered past.

According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident.

SOURCE: rollingout.com



Read more: http://www.v103.com/cc-common/mainheadl ... z1qQ37GRkz

blackredyellow

Interesting recent developments... Investigator wanted charges, and the state attorney's office didn't want to charge a guy who happens to be the son of a retired judge (and apparently got off in the past).

gimmesometruth27

RW81233 wrote:

http://www.v103.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=423478&article=9957725

Tuesday, March 27, 2012
George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests
Did George Zimmerman have help from his father, a retired judge, in clearing his name in three separate arrests?


That’s the question that’s being asked now that more information on Trayvon Martin’s 28-year-old killer is being revealed. Robert Zimmerman, a former Orange County magistrate judge, recently wrote a letter to The Orlando Sentinel defending his son, who’s been dragged through the mud for shooting the unarmed 17-year-old last month. In the letter, the senior Zimmerman asks people not to jump to conclusions and insists that his son didn’t follow the young boy home as he walked through their gated community.

“He would be the last to discriminate for any reason whatsoever. The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin. When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media,” wrote Robert Zimmerman.

Now more info is being dug up on his “victimized” son through public records and revealing his checkered past.

According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested for domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most shockingly, resisting an officer with violence — a felony charge that surely could have landed him in prison.

All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no semblance of charges for the Florida resident.

SOURCE: rollingout.com



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let's see, arrests for domestic VIOLENCE, resisting an officer WITH VIOLENCE..... and he KILLED an unarmed teenager..

and trayvon had zero arrests and suspensions for graffiti, tardiness, and a bag of weed remnants....

who is the one with a violent streak again??

RW81233

duh the black kid had it coming to him

godfather

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

g under p wrote:

Did Zimmerman shoot Martin? YES....he's guilty of Shooting Martin as i said above. Now is he guilty of a CRIME that's another story and the investigation will come to some conclusion i hope. now do you see what I was saying godfather.

Peace

o.k I see what you're saying but I can't use the word guilty untell there is a court that proves him guilty but you you are right that zimmerman shot him but why ? and and was it a justifiable shoot ?

Godfather.

That is going to be the decider.
I fell the kid was stalked by Zimmerman. Trayvon was minding his own business until he was stalked.
Zimmermans record and his inability to listen to the 911 dispatcher tells me he was looking for trouble, obviously.
In my mind he's guilty of murder. But I know that by law, he will possibly get away with it.

shadowcast

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/02/20/ ... n-detroit/