just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media. Godfather.
1. Zimmerman reports a suspicious person to police
2. Zimmerman tells police he’s following the person.
-[Mobile phone+Vehicle]
3. The police instruct Zimmerman not to pursue the person.
-[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s property]
4. Zimmerman ignores the police instructions and is armed following a suspicious person
-[Trayvon was not shot on Zimmerman’s immediate property]
5. Between the time the police are called (about the shooting) and arrive at the scene, Trayvon had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
Did these 5 known facts warrant an investigation into the shooting?
All this talk about Zimmerman isn’t a racist, and this is not like the Zimmerman I know. The same shit was said by the friends of the Jet Blue pilot who snapped. In the case of Zimmerman and Trayvon, we don’t know what words were exchanged when Zimmerman confronted Trayvon or what took place during the fight, what we do know is 1 through 5. For me that’s manslaughter.
Was told by 911 to back in which he says ok and walks back to his car.
In a state where you are allowed to conceal and carry.
Was getting beat up felt his life was in danger and shot him.
I don't think there is a law against following somebody is there? I mean to reach stalker status you have to be caught doing it multiple times or make threats.
The Stand Your Ground law is if YOU are in IMMEDIATE danger. Zimmerman wasn’t in any danger. He created a situation that placed him in danger, then used deadly force to get himself out of the situation.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
FYI, Technically Zimmerman is white... Hispanic is not a race...it's an ethnicity...anyhoo...so the f what if the kid was suspended from school...does that man folks can go hunt down kids kicked out of school...?
This may be technically true, but does anyone really believe that Hispanics in America are treated equally compared to whites from European backgrounds? If someone named Pedro Sanchez is elected President do you think the story will be about the first Hispanic President or "just another white guy in office?" This story would not have been pick up by the media with the same frenzy if they knew from the start that Zimmerman's mother was Hispanic.
I know, the reporting of this case is very frustrating. Edited versions of calls are being played on the news because it fits the story better to end the call with the dispatcher saying, "We don't need you to do that." When I first heard about this case I was 100% sure that Zimmerman killed Martin in cold blood. There was no mention of a struggle, there were mentions that Martin was crying out for help (and now there are reports that it was Zimmerman screaming for help, not Martin), and there was seemingly no effort made to present anything that might indicate Zimmerman was really acting in self-defense when he was shot nor was there anything said to contradict the assumption that someone named George Zimmerman was anything but 100% white. Now, there's stuff coming out that contradicts early reports or sheds new light on previously reported information and it's impossible to tell what's true and what's not. On top of that, the media is seeking out school records that are supposed to be private. I get the feeling that this story went from being about making sure justice was carried out whatever the outcome to being just another feeding frenzy for the sharks in the press that only care about getting the next scoop on everyone else even though nobody really gives a crap who got the information first anymore since it'll be all over the Internet and cable news within 5 minutes of the first report anyway. Racial tension in a news story equals ratings and when there's a death tossed into the mix then it becomes a gold mine and they'll keep it going for as long as they can without a care in the world about how their reporting will impact others. Tayvon's family has to explain why their dead son was suspended from school, as if they don't have enough to deal with right now. Zimmerman has a bounty on him from the New Black Panthers and he may not have even done anything wrong for all anyone really knows. As long as the papers keep flying off the newsstands, viewers keep tuning in for the latest new bit of leaked information, and the websites keep getting hits nothing else matters.
FYI, Technically Zimmerman is white... Hispanic is not a race...it's an ethnicity...anyhoo...so the f what if the kid was suspended from school...does that man folks can go hunt down kids kicked out of school...?
Zimmerman placed himself in harms way....he followed this kid...he did not wait for the police...he's should be charged and tried in a court of law...only then will justice be served....
as far as the "hunt kids kicked out of school"comment..we all know better than that but what the defense will do is use that show Trayvons character and how he is prone to trouble...not saying that's the case but in court it will be.
just courious....who and how many believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder ?..straight up guilty of capital murder and why," not to debate or argue anybodys opinion" just to see how many people believe Zimmerman is guilty with only the evidense given to us by the media.
Godfather.
Leaning towards not guilty. I think Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked pulled his gun and shot him. Or while getting his ass kicked his shirt pulls up Martin sees the gun and goes for it (Can't really blame him becasue he was probably thinking it's me or him). But Zimmerman gets it out and shoots him in the chest.
well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.
well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.
I saw that video also, Not saying this is the case but I've had a broken nose from a puck and from a rocket 70 mph fast pitch softball. In both cases I didn't bleed one drop of blood, swelling yes, I was amazed at this. I did however in both cases had a broken nose I let it heal on it's own without any surgery or medication.
A week later a teammate got a slow tap on the nose from a softball and broke it in 8 places=surgery and a nose cast...never saw so much blood in ages. I gather it depended on the place where you get hit.
That said the key I think will be what is Zimmerman's story WHEN he shot Martin. If he's on the ground being pounded by Martin then fires the fatal shot THEN there should be some upward tragetory of the bullet through Martin...if there's not then Zimmerman better have a good explaination why that shot doesn't add up. :?:
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well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.
I saw that video also, Not saying this is the case but I've had a broken nose from a puck and from a rocket 70 mph fast pitch softball. In both cases I didn't bleed one drop of blood, swelling yes, I was amazed at this. I did however in both cases had a broken nose I let it heal on it's own without any surgery or medication.
A week later a teammate got a slow tap on the nose from a softball and broke it in 8 places=surgery and a nose cast...never saw so much blood in ages. I gather it depended on the place where you get hit.
That said the key I think will be what is Zimmerman's story WHEN he shot Martin. If he's on the ground being pounded by Martin then fires the fatal shot THEN there should be some upward tragetory of the bullet through Martin...if there's not then Zimmerman better have a good explaination why that shot doesn't add up. :?:
Peace
yeah i've been waiting on the ballistics from the gun. at the same time he claimed an injury to the back of the head, even if your nose thing holds up there is nothing on the back of his head.
if you have a broken nose I don't care how big you are...unless you are trained, and even if you are, you very well may be completely debilitated. I have seen it happen to professional fighters in sparring sessions I was involved in, seen it in fights. it happens. people lose all composure and ability when that nose goes boom. Size really isn't an indicator of what will happen in a fight. Size is an inherent advantage if you can use it, show me this guy has anything but a cursory knowledge of krav maga or some shit like that and I would be shocked if he would have felt compelled to use a gun, so I think we can assume he is untrained...and that size difference is all but nullified if someone's nose is broken.
that is, if his nose was actually broken as i have heard and read...he probably wouldn't have been able to see well, and the amount of blood that comes from a broken nose is staggering...
but that is kind of off topic in a way.
i can attest to this. i have had my broken noses repaired twice. after the second surgery i broke it again sparring, helping a friend train for an mma fight...each time mine was broken i teared up so bad i could not see what was in front of me. i could not breathe out of my nose, and i bled like a stuck pig. in a fight i had to cover up and disengage or else i would have gotten really beat up.
as an athletic trainer i have seen at least 15 broken noses over the years. in my experience all of them bleed. some bleed out the nostrils, some bleed down the throat. it just depends how it was broken and the blood vessels involved. you don't always get black eyes with a broken nose, but it happens fairly often. again, they all bleed it just depends on the mechanism of injury and the vessels involved. also, the thing that people are overlooking, is in a lot of cases, if you get hit hard enough in the nose and your head jerks one way or hits the ground, you can also get a concussion.
if zimmerman had a broken nose and his symptoms were anything like mine or the ones i have dealt with, he would have so many tears in his eyes that he could not properly see to aim the gun, rather he would have to aim it in the direction of trayvon. he would have had to point and shoot as opposeed to aim and shoot him in the chest. also, if he has a concussion he would have a foggy recollection of the events, so it is quite possible he does not recall every detail. they are gonna have to subpoena his medical records because if he had sustained blows to the head the hospital would have evaluated him for concussion as well..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
There is an elderly couple now receiving death threats that can't go home
they had to move into a hotel!
why in the world would somebody tweet an address they thought was Zimmerman's ...
The Stand Your Ground law is if YOU are in IMMEDIATE danger. Zimmerman wasn’t in any danger. He created a situation that placed him in danger, then used deadly force to get himself out of the situation.
exactly...
I don't understand why folks can't understand this...
If Zimmerman simply calls the cops, shared his concerns, and moved on...that kid would be alive today...
There is an elderly couple now receiving death threats that can't go home
they had to move into a hotel!
why in the world would somebody tweet an address they thought was Zimmerman's ...
just wanting more violence?
and not the right address :? Good lord
haters making more hate
Bullshit – I’d make him buy me a new home somewhere my family would be safe and out of this mess. Sometimes an apology is NOT ENOUGH, especially, when it endangers not only this family's lives, but, remember the Stand You Ground law is still the law, so other people are now at risk also. What an egotisical asswipe.
LEE APOLOGISES FOR PUBLISHING COUPLE'S ADDRESS
2012-03-29 13:17:13 -
Hollywood director SPIKE LEE has issued an apology to an elderly Florida couple after he published their address on the internet in connection with the death of teenager Trayvon Martin.
The moviemaker thought he was retweeting the address of neighbourhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, who shot Martin dead in a Florida gated community on 26 February (12), sparking outrage and protests across the U.S.
However, the address he posted to his Twitter.com page was actually the home of Elaine and David McClain, who have a son named William George Zimmerman - no relation to the Zimmerman involved in the shooting case.
The McClains claim they have been forced to leave their property after receiving threats and Lee has now apologised for wrongly publishing their address online.
In a post on Twitter.com, he writes, "I deeply apologise to the McClain Family for retweeting their address. It was a mistake. please leave the McClain's (sic) in peace."
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SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
There is an elderly couple now receiving death threats that can't go home
they had to move into a hotel!
why in the world would somebody tweet an address they thought was Zimmerman's ...
just wanting more violence?
and not the right address :? Good lord
haters making more hate
Bullshit – I’d make him buy me a new home somewhere my family would be safe and out of this mess. Sometimes an apology is NOT ENOUGH, especially, when it endangers not only this family's lives, but, remember the Stand You Ground law is still the law, so other people are now at risk also. What an egotisical asswipe.
LEE APOLOGISES FOR PUBLISHING COUPLE'S ADDRESS
2012-03-29 13:17:13 -
Hollywood director SPIKE LEE has issued an apology to an elderly Florida couple after he published their address on the internet in connection with the death of teenager Trayvon Martin.
The moviemaker thought he was retweeting the address of neighbourhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, who shot Martin dead in a Florida gated community on 26 February (12), sparking outrage and protests across the U.S.
However, the address he posted to his Twitter.com page was actually the home of Elaine and David McClain, who have a son named William George Zimmerman - no relation to the Zimmerman involved in the shooting case.
The McClains claim they have been forced to leave their property after receiving threats and Lee has now apologised for wrongly publishing their address online.
In a post on Twitter.com, he writes, "I deeply apologise to the McClain Family for retweeting their address. It was a mistake. please leave the McClain's (sic) in peace."
Author:
Hossam Abdel-Kader
e-mail
Web: http://www.pr-inside.com/
Telefon: +43 1 9582319
He can apologize all he wants but unless that apology comes with a check it's a little too late to undo the damage he helped cause. All it takes is one idiot who read the original tweet to not read the follow-up saying it was the wrong house to do something stupid. Even if it had been the correct address, why would you put it out there for everyone to see like that? Did he ever stop and think that someone might take that as a call to violence against Zimmerman? Even if it turns out that Zimmerman is guilty, what good would it do for some idiot on Twitter to go and kill him instead of letting him wind up rotting in a prison cell? Vigilante justice has no place in our society.
"It only bolsters our claim that George Zimmerman was not beaten to the point that he feared for his life, as he had indicated. This armed vigilante needs to be arrested immediately for the murder of Trayvon Martin."
at what point of being beaten do you fear for your life ?...first punch ?.. first threat ?
and the lawyer used the word "vigilante" so does that mean that they know of Trayvons crimanial character ?
Here is some images of a wound to his head. I also heard a good point last night that why wouldn't the "Stand your ground law" apply to Martin in this case. I mean you have a guy following him with a gun. Could be Martin was standing his ground.
well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.
You have to keep in mind that paramedics treated Zimmerman at the scene before he was taken to the police station for questioning, so it would be very odd if he was still bleeding heavily enough to be seen clearly in that video (and there does appear to be a line on the back of his head that could be from a laceration). Also, you can see the one officer checking the back of his head as though he's making sure he's not still bleeding.
i don't see any blood on his clothing, not even trayvon's. seems to me if trayvon was on top of him and zimmerman shot him, gravity would make blood flow onto zimmerman. if he was in very close proximity to zimmerman, wouldn't there at least be a splatter on zimmerman??
there should be blood on him. either his from the wound to the back of the head or broken nose, or trayvon's blood if trayvon was on top of him at the time of the shooting.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.
You have to keep in mind that paramedics treated Zimmerman at the scene before he was taken to the police station for questioning, so it would be very odd if he was still bleeding heavily enough to be seen clearly in that video (and there does appear to be a line on the back of his head that could be from a laceration). Also, you can see the one officer checking the back of his head as though he's making sure he's not still bleeding.
I dont know the credibility of this, but I've seen two photos and an interview that said the shooting took place in between these two buildings, not near Zimmermans house.
That would mean he had to have gotten out of his can and went in between houses into the back yards to pursue Martin.
i don't see any blood on his clothing, not even trayvon's. seems to me if trayvon was on top of him and zimmerman shot him, gravity would make blood flow onto zimmerman. if he was in very close proximity to zimmerman, wouldn't there at least be a splatter on zimmerman??
there should be blood on him. either his from the wound to the back of the head or broken nose, or trayvon's blood if trayvon was on top of him at the time of the shooting.
I don't know if Zimmerman ever stated that Martin was on top of him when he shot him. I haven't seen that statement in any of the reports I've read. I think that's the assumption people have made after a witness claimed to have seen Martin on top of him, but the witness said, "When I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." It sounds like that witness didn't see the actual shooting, just the part of the confrontation when Martin was beating up Zimmerman (so that doesn't tell us who started the fight or what happened when the gun was fired). It could very well be that Zimmerman was able to push Martin off of him and Martin charged at him again and that's when Zimmerman fired his gun. If that's the case, then there might not be any of Martin's blood on him. We really won't know until the investigation is over.
Here is some images of a wound to his head. I also heard a good point last night that why wouldn't the "Stand your ground law" apply to Martin in this case. I mean you have a guy following him with a gun. Could be Martin was standing his ground.
Actually, I believe those photos have been altered. You can see in the one photo, it looks kinda normal. Then the second one has been brightened and the contrast has been altered. You can see a large glow on the officers head in one of the photos and no existing glow in the other. its been through photoshop. But you can watch the original video in several places.
If you watch the video, however, there is no evidence of any bandage or anything to prevent blood flow on his head. And heads bleed easily, so if he had an injury, it surely was minimal.
And I agree with Gimme, noses bleed profusely (usually), and if it had been bad, he would've likely needed some bandages.
But he is wearing a read coat, so who knows how much blood is obscured by that.
I would figure that if his nose was broken, there'd be hospital records, maybe even an X-ray? Also, I would assume in a case where someone is dead, the police would take photos of the assailants injuries. They'll likely come out if it goes any further.
Here is some images of a wound to his head. I also heard a good point last night that why wouldn't the "Stand your ground law" apply to Martin in this case. I mean you have a guy following him with a gun. Could be Martin was standing his ground.
Actually, I believe those photos have been altered. You can see in the one photo, it looks kinda normal. Then the second one has been brightened and the contrast has been altered. You can see a large glow on the officers head in one of the photos and no existing glow in the other. its been through photoshop. But you can watch the original video in several places.
If you watch the video, however, there is no evidence of any bandage or anything to prevent blood flow on his head. And heads bleed easily, so if he had an injury, it surely was minimal.
And I agree with Gimme, noses bleed profusely (usually), and if it had been bad, he would've likely needed some bandages.
But he is wearing a read coat, so who knows how much blood is obscured by that.
I would figure that if his nose was broken, there'd be hospital records, maybe even an X-ray? Also, I would assume in a case where someone is dead, the police would take photos of the assailants injuries. They'll likely come out if it goes any further.
It was stated in the police report that Zimmerman was treated for his injuries at the scene and then was taken into custody and questioned at the police station. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... Report.pdf
If you're saying that the photos that appear to show a wound have been doctored, then you must also think that the officers who responded to the scene lied when they said Zimmerman's back was wet as if he'd been on his back in the wet grass and was bleeding from the nose and head and you must also believe that the officer in the surveilance video who is seen checking the back of Zimmerman's head only did it because he was in on the cover-up and knew the video would be leaked at some point.
Also, the caption beneath the photo says that it had been enhanced to show detail, so they're not trying to hide anything from anyone with regards to that picture.
It was stated in the police report that Zimmerman was treated for his injuries at the scene and then was taken into custody and questioned at the police station. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... Report.pdf
If you're saying that the photos that appear to show a wound have been doctored, then you must also think that the officers who responded to the scene lied when they said Zimmerman's back was wet as if he'd been on his back in the wet grass and was bleeding from the nose and head and you must also believe that the officer in the surveilance video who is seen checking the back of Zimmerman's head only did it because he was in on the cover-up and knew the video would be leaked at some point.
Also, the caption beneath the photo says that it had been enhanced to show detail, so they're not trying to hide anything from anyone with regards to that picture.
Yeah, I saw that he was treated at the scene. I guess his injuries werent bad enough for the hospital.
Im not sure what you're asking -- yes, those photos have been doctored -- the site admits to that. Its never admissible evidence when a photo is doctored, in fact, that can bring out all sorts of misleading textures, so why try to mislead the public? I just pointed it out because it was silly. I have no doubts about the police saying his back was wet. I assume since Zimmerman was saying it was self defense, perhaps they were discussing it on the ride in the police car. I did see the officer looking at his head. I see no bandages, band-aids or anything that would lead one to believe it was a substantial injury though.
I was assuming we'd see photos of his injuries by now and that they'd be substantial if he was claiming his life was in danger to the degree that it was necessary to end another persons life. I don't see that here. At this point, since there is a lynch mob going around, you'd think Zimmerman would want to show tons of pictures of his head all bloody and his nose smashed in. Where are they?
It was stated in the police report that Zimmerman was treated for his injuries at the scene and then was taken into custody and questioned at the police station. http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... Report.pdf
If you're saying that the photos that appear to show a wound have been doctored, then you must also think that the officers who responded to the scene lied when they said Zimmerman's back was wet as if he'd been on his back in the wet grass and was bleeding from the nose and head and you must also believe that the officer in the surveilance video who is seen checking the back of Zimmerman's head only did it because he was in on the cover-up and knew the video would be leaked at some point.
Also, the caption beneath the photo says that it had been enhanced to show detail, so they're not trying to hide anything from anyone with regards to that picture.
Yeah, I saw that he was treated at the scene. I guess his injuries werent bad enough for the hospital.
Im not sure what you're asking -- yes, those photos have been doctored -- the site admits to that. Its never admissible evidence when a photo is doctored, in fact, that can bring out all sorts of misleading textures, so why try to mislead the public? I just pointed it out because it was silly. I have no doubts about the police saying his back was wet. I assume since Zimmerman was saying it was self defense, perhaps they were discussing it on the ride in the police car. I did see the officer looking at his head. I see no bandages, band-aids or anything that would lead one to believe it was a substantial injury though.
I was assuming we'd see photos of his injuries by now and that they'd be substantial if he was claiming his life was in danger to the degree that it was necessary to end another persons life. I don't see that here. At this point, since there is a lynch mob going around, you'd think Zimmerman would want to show tons of pictures of his head all bloody and his nose smashed in. Where are they?
I get what you're saying but he didn't have to have an injury requiring stitches in order to feel like his life was in danger. If he was having his head slammed into the ground and being punched repeatedly, it doesn't take too much of that to put you in a bad spot. All it takes is one hard impact to damage the brain and he could've been left completely defenseless or even ended up in a coma like that guy at the Dodgers/Giants game last year. If he was screaming for help, he was obviously afraid for his safety. Whether or not that is enough to justify a shooting in the eyes of the law remains to be seen, but it is enough for me to think that people should put down the pitchforks and torches until all the facts are known.
Martin allegedly told Zimmerman that "tonight he was going to die" and reached for Zimmerman's gun. That is all the justification that Zimmerman needed.
Martin allegedly told Zimmerman that "tonight he was going to die" and reached for Zimmerman's gun. That is all the justification that Zimmerman needed.
If true. But, then again, why were both those people in that position? Maybe Martin was simply scared and trying to defend himself.
He was probably racist and assumed that the "White Hispanic" was going to hurt him.
Martin allegedly told Zimmerman that "tonight he was going to die" and reached for Zimmerman's gun. That is all the justification that Zimmerman needed.
That is exactly what Zimmerman's Dad is telling people that Treyvon said. Of course.
When a man follows me into the dark night with a gun, I don't need the spoken words, but I translate those actions to "tonight I might die." Well, look what happened...what;s that famous saying? Actions speak louder than words?
If he was screaming for help, he was obviously afraid for his safety. Whether or not that is enough to justify a shooting in the eyes of the law remains to be seen, but it is enough for me to think that people should put down the pitchforks and torches until all the facts are known.
Agreed. I wish there was a way they could tell who was screaming on that 911 tape.
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The Stand Your Ground law is if YOU are in IMMEDIATE danger. Zimmerman wasn’t in any danger. He created a situation that placed him in danger, then used deadly force to get himself out of the situation.
This may be technically true, but does anyone really believe that Hispanics in America are treated equally compared to whites from European backgrounds? If someone named Pedro Sanchez is elected President do you think the story will be about the first Hispanic President or "just another white guy in office?" This story would not have been pick up by the media with the same frenzy if they knew from the start that Zimmerman's mother was Hispanic.
Godfather.
We can agree to disagree. I don't believe the right to defend yourself ends at your front door.
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well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.
I saw that video also, Not saying this is the case but I've had a broken nose from a puck and from a rocket 70 mph fast pitch softball. In both cases I didn't bleed one drop of blood, swelling yes, I was amazed at this. I did however in both cases had a broken nose I let it heal on it's own without any surgery or medication.
A week later a teammate got a slow tap on the nose from a softball and broke it in 8 places=surgery and a nose cast...never saw so much blood in ages. I gather it depended on the place where you get hit.
That said the key I think will be what is Zimmerman's story WHEN he shot Martin. If he's on the ground being pounded by Martin then fires the fatal shot THEN there should be some upward tragetory of the bullet through Martin...if there's not then Zimmerman better have a good explaination why that shot doesn't add up. :?:
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as an athletic trainer i have seen at least 15 broken noses over the years. in my experience all of them bleed. some bleed out the nostrils, some bleed down the throat. it just depends how it was broken and the blood vessels involved. you don't always get black eyes with a broken nose, but it happens fairly often. again, they all bleed it just depends on the mechanism of injury and the vessels involved. also, the thing that people are overlooking, is in a lot of cases, if you get hit hard enough in the nose and your head jerks one way or hits the ground, you can also get a concussion.
if zimmerman had a broken nose and his symptoms were anything like mine or the ones i have dealt with, he would have so many tears in his eyes that he could not properly see to aim the gun, rather he would have to aim it in the direction of trayvon. he would have had to point and shoot as opposeed to aim and shoot him in the chest. also, if he has a concussion he would have a foggy recollection of the events, so it is quite possible he does not recall every detail. they are gonna have to subpoena his medical records because if he had sustained blows to the head the hospital would have evaluated him for concussion as well..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
they had to move into a hotel!
why in the world would somebody tweet an address they thought was Zimmerman's ...
just wanting more violence?
and not the right address :? Good lord
haters making more hate
exactly...
I don't understand why folks can't understand this...
If Zimmerman simply calls the cops, shared his concerns, and moved on...that kid would be alive today...
Bullshit – I’d make him buy me a new home somewhere my family would be safe and out of this mess. Sometimes an apology is NOT ENOUGH, especially, when it endangers not only this family's lives, but, remember the Stand You Ground law is still the law, so other people are now at risk also. What an egotisical asswipe.
LEE APOLOGISES FOR PUBLISHING COUPLE'S ADDRESS
2012-03-29 13:17:13 -
Hollywood director SPIKE LEE has issued an apology to an elderly Florida couple after he published their address on the internet in connection with the death of teenager Trayvon Martin.
The moviemaker thought he was retweeting the address of neighbourhood watch volunteer, George Zimmerman, who shot Martin dead in a Florida gated community on 26 February (12), sparking outrage and protests across the U.S.
However, the address he posted to his Twitter.com page was actually the home of Elaine and David McClain, who have a son named William George Zimmerman - no relation to the Zimmerman involved in the shooting case.
The McClains claim they have been forced to leave their property after receiving threats and Lee has now apologised for wrongly publishing their address online.
In a post on Twitter.com, he writes, "I deeply apologise to the McClain Family for retweeting their address. It was a mistake. please leave the McClain's (sic) in peace."
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i understand his frustration, but this is not the appropriate way to go about expressing it...
i am sure he could be sued for some kind of reckless endangerment or libel or something.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
He can apologize all he wants but unless that apology comes with a check it's a little too late to undo the damage he helped cause. All it takes is one idiot who read the original tweet to not read the follow-up saying it was the wrong house to do something stupid. Even if it had been the correct address, why would you put it out there for everyone to see like that? Did he ever stop and think that someone might take that as a call to violence against Zimmerman? Even if it turns out that Zimmerman is guilty, what good would it do for some idiot on Twitter to go and kill him instead of letting him wind up rotting in a prison cell? Vigilante justice has no place in our society.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/28/po ... z1qVqkysy2
at what point of being beaten do you fear for your life ?...first punch ?.. first threat ?
and the lawyer used the word "vigilante" so does that mean that they know of Trayvons crimanial character ?
Godfather.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/polic ... ad-injury/
You have to keep in mind that paramedics treated Zimmerman at the scene before he was taken to the police station for questioning, so it would be very odd if he was still bleeding heavily enough to be seen clearly in that video (and there does appear to be a line on the back of his head that could be from a laceration). Also, you can see the one officer checking the back of his head as though he's making sure he's not still bleeding.
there should be blood on him. either his from the wound to the back of the head or broken nose, or trayvon's blood if trayvon was on top of him at the time of the shooting.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But that isn't what the media is telling me!
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I dont know the credibility of this, but I've seen two photos and an interview that said the shooting took place in between these two buildings, not near Zimmermans house.
That would mean he had to have gotten out of his can and went in between houses into the back yards to pursue Martin.
I don't know if Zimmerman ever stated that Martin was on top of him when he shot him. I haven't seen that statement in any of the reports I've read. I think that's the assumption people have made after a witness claimed to have seen Martin on top of him, but the witness said, "When I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." It sounds like that witness didn't see the actual shooting, just the part of the confrontation when Martin was beating up Zimmerman (so that doesn't tell us who started the fight or what happened when the gun was fired). It could very well be that Zimmerman was able to push Martin off of him and Martin charged at him again and that's when Zimmerman fired his gun. If that's the case, then there might not be any of Martin's blood on him. We really won't know until the investigation is over.
Actually, I believe those photos have been altered. You can see in the one photo, it looks kinda normal. Then the second one has been brightened and the contrast has been altered. You can see a large glow on the officers head in one of the photos and no existing glow in the other. its been through photoshop. But you can watch the original video in several places.
If you watch the video, however, there is no evidence of any bandage or anything to prevent blood flow on his head. And heads bleed easily, so if he had an injury, it surely was minimal.
And I agree with Gimme, noses bleed profusely (usually), and if it had been bad, he would've likely needed some bandages.
But he is wearing a read coat, so who knows how much blood is obscured by that.
I would figure that if his nose was broken, there'd be hospital records, maybe even an X-ray? Also, I would assume in a case where someone is dead, the police would take photos of the assailants injuries. They'll likely come out if it goes any further.
It was stated in the police report that Zimmerman was treated for his injuries at the scene and then was taken into custody and questioned at the police station.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... Report.pdf
If you're saying that the photos that appear to show a wound have been doctored, then you must also think that the officers who responded to the scene lied when they said Zimmerman's back was wet as if he'd been on his back in the wet grass and was bleeding from the nose and head and you must also believe that the officer in the surveilance video who is seen checking the back of Zimmerman's head only did it because he was in on the cover-up and knew the video would be leaked at some point.
Also, the caption beneath the photo says that it had been enhanced to show detail, so they're not trying to hide anything from anyone with regards to that picture.
Yeah, I saw that he was treated at the scene. I guess his injuries werent bad enough for the hospital.
Im not sure what you're asking -- yes, those photos have been doctored -- the site admits to that. Its never admissible evidence when a photo is doctored, in fact, that can bring out all sorts of misleading textures, so why try to mislead the public? I just pointed it out because it was silly. I have no doubts about the police saying his back was wet. I assume since Zimmerman was saying it was self defense, perhaps they were discussing it on the ride in the police car. I did see the officer looking at his head. I see no bandages, band-aids or anything that would lead one to believe it was a substantial injury though.
I was assuming we'd see photos of his injuries by now and that they'd be substantial if he was claiming his life was in danger to the degree that it was necessary to end another persons life. I don't see that here. At this point, since there is a lynch mob going around, you'd think Zimmerman would want to show tons of pictures of his head all bloody and his nose smashed in. Where are they?
I get what you're saying but he didn't have to have an injury requiring stitches in order to feel like his life was in danger. If he was having his head slammed into the ground and being punched repeatedly, it doesn't take too much of that to put you in a bad spot. All it takes is one hard impact to damage the brain and he could've been left completely defenseless or even ended up in a coma like that guy at the Dodgers/Giants game last year. If he was screaming for help, he was obviously afraid for his safety. Whether or not that is enough to justify a shooting in the eyes of the law remains to be seen, but it is enough for me to think that people should put down the pitchforks and torches until all the facts are known.
If true. But, then again, why were both those people in that position? Maybe Martin was simply scared and trying to defend himself.
He was probably racist and assumed that the "White Hispanic" was going to hurt him.
That is exactly what Zimmerman's Dad is telling people that Treyvon said. Of course.
When a man follows me into the dark night with a gun, I don't need the spoken words, but I translate those actions to "tonight I might die." Well, look what happened...what;s that famous saying? Actions speak louder than words?
Agreed. I wish there was a way they could tell who was screaming on that 911 tape.