Trayvon Martin

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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    I personally don't think Zimmerman has a case, if he continued to follow Martin. I mean he knowingly put himself in potential danger, not saying Martin was dangerous, but if he indeed was then Zimmerman is the idiot here. I think I read somewhere where even Jeb Bush said the "stand your ground law" doesn't apply here. No matter the outcome, it won't be good. And I agree, if he gets off, I think it's going to make the LA riots look like a cake walk.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Shawshank wrote:
    I personally don't think Zimmerman has a case, if he continued to follow Martin. I mean he knowingly put himself in potential danger, not saying Martin was dangerous, but if he indeed was then Zimmerman is the idiot here. I think I read somewhere where even Jeb Bush said the "stand your ground law" doesn't apply here. No matter the outcome, it won't be good. And I agree, if he gets off, I think it's going to make the LA riots look like a cake walk.

    I certainly hope not..I live down here and i have a Hilton Grand time share in Orlando so people better stay calm and let justice prevail no matter the outcome.

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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,068
    Sounds like a peaceful way to protest an injustice to me.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    More info on the case. It appears to favor Zimmerman.

    http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html
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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    This is a very sad story and what I have learned is to wait until all the facts are out before make a judgment.

    But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
    The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.

    49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.

    Here is a quote from CL Bryant.



    "People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”

    “The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFirlIcz



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFigoMWA
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    shadowcast wrote:
    This is a very sad story and what I have learned is to wait until all the facts are out before make a judgment.

    But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
    The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.

    49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.

    Here is a quote from CL Bryant.



    "People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”

    “The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFirlIcz



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFigoMWA

    agreed.

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,198
    shadowcast wrote:
    This is a very sad story and what I have learned is to wait until all the facts are out before make a judgment.

    But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
    The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.

    49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.

    Here is a quote from CL Bryant.



    "People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”

    “The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFirlIcz



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFigoMWA
    there is not enough time on local or national news to cover each shooting equally. if there were, the cbs nightly news would go from 30 minutes to 4 hours...

    i have thought for a long time about making a thread specifically called "gun violence" where everyone can post articles about every shooting or gun murder covered in the press. no replies, no discussions, just news articles would be posted, but i figured after a few months it would be over 100 pages....
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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    ... the issue reeks of racism because the victim was black ...


    I have no idea if it had any bearing on this situation. But your comment is part of the problem. That is the bottom line anymore isn't it?

    It's funny, people talk all day about innocent until proven guilty. Then if a black man/woman is the victim of a crime by a white man/woman, instantly it's racial. It may be, but it also may not have a thing to do with it at all.


    i wonder why he said
    "he has his hand in his waistband and he's a black male"

    and he's a black male??

    See this is one things that drives me crazy. He's describing him to the operator. This is just like the nightly news that is afraid to say the race of people that commit crimes do to the fact that they will be called a racist.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    shadowcast wrote:
    This is a very sad story and what I have learned is to wait until all the facts are out before make a judgment.

    But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
    The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.

    49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.

    Here is a quote from CL Bryant.



    "People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”

    “The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFirlIcz



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFigoMWA
    there is not enough time on local or national news to cover each shooting equally. if there were, the cbs nightly news would go from 30 minutes to 4 hours...

    i have thought for a long time about making a thread specifically called "gun violence" where everyone can post articles about every shooting or gun murder covered in the press. no replies, no discussions, just news articles would be posted, but i figured after a few months it would be over 100 pages....
    No, the bottom line is that the media needs ratings to make money. They can get viewers by saying a racist shooter kills black teen armed with skittles. They will drill this into the ground.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    So he was suspended from school after being caught with a plastic bag with 'traces' of weed in it. They remove a kid from education/school/learning for something like that? That's messed up.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,315
    Idris wrote:
    So he was suspended from school after being caught with a plastic bag with 'traces' of weed in it. They remove a kid from education/school/learning for something like that? That's messed up.
    They remove kids for giving hugs these days.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,198
    Idris wrote:
    So he was suspended from school after being caught with a plastic bag with 'traces' of weed in it. They remove a kid from education/school/learning for something like that? That's messed up.
    don't ever forget....


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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Idris wrote:
    So he was suspended from school after being caught with a plastic bag with 'traces' of weed in it. They remove a kid from education/school/learning for something like that? That's messed up.

    really ?

    Godfather.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Godfather. wrote:
    Idris wrote:
    So he was suspended from school after being caught with a plastic bag with 'traces' of weed in it. They remove a kid from education/school/learning for something like that? That's messed up.

    really ?

    Godfather.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20120326/NEWS07/120326044
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Idris wrote:
    So he was suspended from school after being caught with a plastic bag with 'traces' of weed in it. They remove a kid from education/school/learning for something like that? That's messed up.
    don't ever forget....


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    Well if Mr. Garrison says so... :lol:
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    What concerns me is the idea that people think there will be riots if this man isn't charged or is found innocent of murder. This man is guilty no matter what happens in court, no matter the evidence presented. What if he is actually innocent of murder here? what if? maybe he acted purely out of self defense...as some claim
    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... -zimmerman
    To me, taking a beating is still no excuse for ending a life. I honestly believe it is manslaughter and this law is written very strangely.
    Eye, or in this case, ear witness testimony just isn't that reliable. I heard a woman talking about how she heard screaming...and it couldn't possible have been Barney Fife because it sounded to her like the screaming of an adolescent male, apparently. I see people of all ages all day long and I am not sure how ANYONE can tell how old a person screaming is after the age of 13...also said that the screaming stopped when the shot rang out, which in her mind proved it was Trayvon. First of all, how could she know it wasn't the neighborhood watch guy? simply by hearing screaming and then it stopping. Those are the kinds of things the media reports, people now hold as truth and that are only about 50% reliable. Just like the witness that claims to have seen martin attack Zimmerman...
    There was a similar story here in Minneapolis where a man ran after a criminal he witnessed pistol whipping a woman...he told the man to stop, the man pulled on him and he put him down. The difference in these cases is that the "perp" had a gun. Unless you are 100% sure that deadly force will be used on you if you do not shoot, you should not shoot...I know skittles are killing me slowly but I don't think they could constitute deadly force.
    Once those like Sharpton get involved I think many who could maybe be moved into a better state of understanding turn off...I think Rev Sharpton does more disservice than service in these situations, and if he was out for anyone but himself here he would recognize that and maybe get out of the way...The new black panther party's bounty is the same thing. Why do this publicly? why turn the goodwill and the support that trayvon's family is receiving into a cause that brings yourself publicity...
    Sorry for the wall. hopefully some of it made sense. I just don't see how this story gets any better from here on out no matter what happens.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    What concerns me is the idea that people think there will be riots if this man isn't charged or is found innocent of murder. This man is guilty no matter what happens in court, no matter the evidence presented. What if he is actually innocent of murder here? what if? maybe he acted purely out of self defense...as some claim
    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... -zimmerman
    To me, taking a beating is still no excuse for ending a life. I honestly believe it is manslaughter and this law is written very strangely.
    Eye, or in this case, ear witness testimony just isn't that reliable. I heard a woman talking about how she heard screaming...and it couldn't possible have been Barney Fife because it sounded to her like the screaming of an adolescent male, apparently. I see people of all ages all day long and I am not sure how ANYONE can tell how old a person screaming is after the age of 13...also said that the screaming stopped when the shot rang out, which in her mind proved it was Trayvon. First of all, how could she know it wasn't the neighborhood watch guy? simply by hearing screaming and then it stopping. Those are the kinds of things the media reports, people now hold as truth and that are only about 50% reliable. Just like the witness that claims to have seen martin attack Zimmerman...
    There was a similar story here in Minneapolis where a man ran after a criminal he witnessed pistol whipping a woman...he told the man to stop, the man pulled on him and he put him down. The difference in these cases is that the "perp" had a gun. Unless you are 100% sure that deadly force will be used on you if you do not shoot, you should not shoot...I know skittles are killing me slowly but I don't think they could constitute deadly force.
    Once those like Sharpton get involved I think many who could maybe be moved into a better state of understanding turn off...I think Rev Sharpton does more disservice than service in these situations, and if he was out for anyone but himself here he would recognize that and maybe get out of the way...The new black panther party's bounty is the same thing. Why do this publicly? why turn the goodwill and the support that trayvon's family is receiving into a cause that brings yourself publicity...
    Sorry for the wall. hopefully some of it made sense. I just don't see how this story gets any better from here on out no matter what happens.

    It made perfect sense, at least to me. Great post, thank you.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    It made perfect sense, at least to me. Great post, thank you.
    Ditto that.
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    Great article

    http://www.examiner.com/charleston-cons ... von-martin
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Idris wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    Idris wrote:
    So he was suspended from school after being caught with a plastic bag with 'traces' of weed in it. They remove a kid from education/school/learning for something like that? That's messed up.

    really ?

    Godfather.

    http://www.freep.com/article/20120326/NEWS07/120326044


    well I'm sure he knew the rules,shame on him.

    Godfather.

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