On some issues - this guy makes me want to vomit. Not only do I think his social issue approach is silly, I really feel it's insincere. It's one thing if you actually believe this stuff. I don't think he does. He just peddles to crowds - particularly religious ones.
I think he really does believe it, which is the scary thing.
He is the candidate of the American Taliban Party.
It's certainly possible that he believes it in theory... but I've noticed that when politicians get into issues like this, they are actually battling with themselves. How many times have the "family values" freaks been found out for practicing the exact opposite of what they preach? I.e. being outed as gay (going to gay prostitutes, no less), or cheating on their wives, abusing their spouses, and so on and so forth. I'd bet a buck that Santorum got on this issue because his wife found his stash of hard core porn on his laptop or something and now he's trying to repent and "fix the error of his ways" or something else equally as sick. That's kind of how it tends to go with these types.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm not making a statement on whether or not porn should be watched really, and certaiy not that Santorum might have anything of value to say, but I'd like to just raise the issue of how the porn industry can be very damaging to the people within it, just because I think some people make so much light of it, as though it's all just sexy fun. I don't want people to totally ignore the fact that the industry ruins the lives of many young and lost women. 99% of the women in the industry are not those shiny happy porn super stars who are happy with their lives. Most of them are hurting and lost, and badly damaged emotionally by what they go through after getting into the industry (or being lured in to it). Many end up being prostitutes quickly, many, many end up addicted, in abusive relationships, etc. Many are 18 year old runaways, others victims of sexual abuse. I just think it's important to keep all that in mind when standing up and fighting for porn.
Yes, consenting adults should be able to choose... but industries that exploit vulnerable women and regularly tend to send them down a path of self-destruction isn't exactly something to gloss over either. I wish people would think more about that when they joke about porn or get off on some girl who actually ran away from home where she was sexually abused by her step dad or whatever, and found immediate "acceptance" and enough money to live when she was told she could be a model and why don't you come to my place for a "photo shoot". It is a seedy industry that hurts people. Jenna Jamieson is the exception, not the rule. I just think an awareness of this side of porn is important to have when making decisions about ... your porn use?
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supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts; that's their definition, essentially. no artistic merit, causes sexual thoughts. hmm. . . . sounds like . . . every commercial on television, doesn't it?
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supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts; that's their definition, essentially. no artistic merit, causes sexual thoughts. hmm. . . . sounds like . . . every commercial on television, doesn't it?
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supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts; that's their definition, essentially. no artistic merit, causes sexual thoughts. hmm. . . . sounds like . . . every commercial on television, doesn't it?
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he still is and always will be.
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When they show 'The Godfather' on T.V., they can't show Michael Corleone's bride's tits on the screen... yet, we get to see Sonny machine gunned down at the Highway Toll Booth.
...
American priorities... guns, not tits... I guess.
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And yet, asses seem to be OK....a la NYPD Blue and several other programs/films aired on tv.
Fast Times - we can watch Spicoli getting wasted, but NOT Phoebe Cates' famous slo-mo-removing-bikini-top-after-exiting-the-pool scene? In their *ahem* lovely fullness?
And yet, asses seem to be OK....a la NYPD Blue and several other programs/films aired on tv.
Gotta love the double standard.
...
And have a 1/1000th of a second nip-slip at a Super Bowl Halftime Show and you get slapped with a monsterous fine... but, 1/2 an hour after the game is over, it is okay to have the cops on 'CSI:Miami' talk about the female victim who was raped repeatedly with a splintered 2x4 before having her face cut off with a pair of bolt cutters.
It is pretty incredible how nonchalant we are about violence... but, one tit pops out and fucking assholes act like their hair just burst into flames.
Why is that?
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Fast Times - we can watch Spicoli getting wasted, but NOT Phoebe Cates' famous slo-mo-removing-bikini-top-after-exiting-the-pool scene? In their *ahem* lovely fullness?
And yet, asses seem to be OK....a la NYPD Blue and several other programs/films aired on tv.
Gotta love the double standard.
...
And have a 1/1000th of a second nip-slip at a Super Bowl Halftime Show and you get slapped with a monsterous fine... but, 1/2 an hour after the game is over, it is okay to have the cops on 'CSI:Miami' talk about the female victim who was raped repeatedly with a splintered 2x4 before having her face cut off with a pair of bolt cutters.
It is pretty incredible how nonchalant we are about violence... but, one tit pops out and fucking assholes act like their hair just burst into flames.
Why is that?
it is to desensitise you to violence in order that youll be ok with state sanctioned violence whereas sex is bad... very very bad. we can not have everyone being comfortable with their sexuality.. we cant control orgasms.. but well try our darndest to make you feel dirty for having one. its a wonder babies are born as often as they are.
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"sex is bad" is ridiculous...we are talking hard core pornography
way past 'gee don't have sex at all', more like don't rape and sodomize the girl scout
coming to the front door selling cookies
just to mention one hard core pornographic scenario.
This stuff is garbage and very bad for society but even worse for those who are already sick
or those impressionable growing up to be sick.
Many individuals appear healthy ... waiting for opportunity...
it knocks as we are seeing with sex crimes.
Let's tantalize the psycho and then in shock and disgust and in unison
scream 'what is wrong with our world!' when a little girl is abducted raped and murdered.
We as a society have condoned this behavior, we have allowed violent sex to permeate
instead of protecting and requiring moral conduct that does not involve degradation
towards some members of society, those of least power, our women and children.
And why have we done this? Some would say for a noble reason, freedom of speech,
but actually it is for money and lust. There is nothing noble about portraying rape.
"sex is bad" is ridiculous...we are talking hard core pornography
way past 'gee don't have sex at all', more like don't rape and sodomize the girl scout
coming to the front door selling cookies
just to mention one hard core pornographic scenario.
This stuff is garbage and very bad for society but even worse for those who are already sick
or those impressionable growing up to be sick.
Many individuals appear healthy ... waiting for opportunity...
it knocks as we are seeing with sex crimes.
Let's tantalize the psycho and then in shock and disgust and in unison
scream 'what is wrong with our world!' when a little girl is abducted raped and murdered.
We as a society have condoned this behavior, we have allowed violent sex to permeate
instead of protecting and requiring moral conduct that does not involve degradation
towards some members of society, those of least power, our women and children.
And why have we done this? Some would say for a noble reason, freedom of speech,
but actually it is for money and lust. There is nothing noble about portraying rape.
do you think stranger rape is about sexual gratification?
Legislating someone else's morality isn't ok. It is plain and simple. It isn't ok to do it. Namely because there will never be enough. It will always be pushed...
The internet has made it easy to bypass the age restrictions on people watching porn, so then...why not ban the internet? It facilitates teens ability to watch porn...not to mention drug deals, anonymous sex, theft, prostitution, all of it...we should ban its use here in the US because of a small number of people in relation to the population. I mean...Most people use it responsibly but because some don't we should ban it all. No one can enjoy it...I mean kids can use it...what about the children?
does Amsterdam have a rape problem I am not aware of? Some VERY weird shit happens there...Couldn't it be It is more likely that people who some consider morally bankrupt gravitate to it along with those who use it for "other" purposes.
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"sex is bad" is ridiculous...we are talking hard core pornography
way past 'gee don't have sex at all', more like don't rape and sodomize the girl scout
coming to the front door selling cookies
just to mention one hard core pornographic scenario.
This stuff is garbage and very bad for society but even worse for those who are already sick
or those impressionable growing up to be sick.
Many individuals appear healthy ... waiting for opportunity...
it knocks as we are seeing with sex crimes.
Let's tantalize the psycho and then in shock and disgust and in unison
scream 'what is wrong with our world!' when a little girl is abducted raped and murdered.
We as a society have condoned this behavior, we have allowed violent sex to permeate
instead of protecting and requiring moral conduct that does not involve degradation
towards some members of society, those of least power, our women and children.
And why have we done this? Some would say for a noble reason, freedom of speech,
but actually it is for money and lust. There is nothing noble about portraying rape.
...
If what you are saying is true (which, I do not agree with)... then, you know what needs to be legislated out of our lives?
Beauty contests... especially Children's Beauty Contests.
Get that fucking shit out of the mix and maybe I'll join your crusade.
...
Oh... and 'Jersey Shore', too.
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Come on, rape is rape it is sexual violence towards another human being
period.
Is it about power and sexual gratification together and separate
depending on the need it fulfills.
It's not ok to promote rape in our society. It's not ok to portray rape.
One reason why we have an epidemic of rape. It instills a mindset.
Wonder how many fantasize about raping?
Your example not mine
As far as the internet and hard core violent porn
yea it should be banned no not the internet
the content that portrays the raping of another human being
on the internet.
My example
Just like guns right? We have gun laws to protect the innocent to protect our
society but not take away all the guns correct? No one would want to ban all guns.
That could not even be considered cause most people can use them responsibly.
It is a few out of millions who will not.
So we need some laws to ban some hard core porn in the same way.
No one wants to ban all porn. That is crazy.
We are speaking of hard core porn depicting violence towards woman and children
maybe the poor animals too :roll:
Who wants that garbage around anyways.
Come on, rape is rape it is sexual violence towards another human being
period.
Is it about power and sexual gratification together and separate
depending on the need it fulfills.
It's not ok to promote rape in our society. It's not ok to portray rape.
One reason why we have an epidemic of rape. It instills a mindset.
Wonder how many fantasize about raping?
Your example not mine
As far as the internet and hard core violent porn
yea it should be banned no not the internet
the content that portrays the raping of another human being
on the internet.
My example
Just like guns right? We have gun laws to protect the innocent to protect our
society but not take away all the guns correct? No one would want to ban all guns.
That could not even be considered cause most people can use them responsibly.
It is a few out of millions who will not.
So we need some laws to ban some hard core porn in the same way.
No one wants to ban all porn. That is crazy.
We are speaking of hard core porn depicting violence towards woman and children
maybe the poor animals too :roll:
Who wants that garbage around anyways.
I don't know who wants it around, it doesn't do much for me, but I am not everyone and my morality isn't the choice for everyone else...
Can you prove to me that watching violent porn causes rape?
Santorum isn't talking about just violent porn, by the way, he is using the general sense of porn, all porn.
if you want to enforce your morality you have your choice of where you can do it. You can enforce it in your family(the best way) you can even try to influence your friends, or choose your friends based on your moral code...but you cannot simply legislate your morality onto others. It isn't right.
Back to my example from the internet, the internet facilitates all sorts of "immoral" behavior...and unlike assault rifles...it isn't easy to simply ban hardcore violent pornography. it is called the WORLD WIDE WEB for a reason, and if someone in a country without obscenity laws is creating the porn and posting it online...people all around the world can view those things. The only real way to ban it is to take down the actual medium by which that stuff is disseminated.
You might find it morally reprehensible, but simply saying that violent porn causes rape doesn't mean it does. it isn't the sole cause of rape and it shouldn't be censored. Again chicken/egg...do people watch that porn and become morally deficient, or are they morally deficient so they seek out the porn?
And that does not in any way condone rape. It condones the right of people to live their lives without harming others. what's next...call of duty? rambo? violent video games? rap music? rock and roll? all these things are blamed for moral decay as well, should we ban them? What is the difference between this argument and the argument against hip hop? or violent movies? or the alcohol? ...it can go on forever...
I realize you yourself are not arguing for the banning of these things, I am just wondering what the difference between someone saying violent porn causes rape so it should be banned, and violent video games cause murder they should be banned...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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- Joe Rogan
Come on, rape is rape it is sexual violence towards another human being
period.
Is it about power and sexual gratification together and separate
depending on the need it fulfills.
It's not ok to promote rape in our society. It's not ok to portray rape.
One reason why we have an epidemic of rape. It instills a mindset.
Wonder how many fantasize about raping?
Your example not mine
As far as the internet and hard core violent porn
yea it should be banned no not the internet
the content that portrays the raping of another human being
on the internet.
My example
Just like guns right? We have gun laws to protect the innocent to protect our
society but not take away all the guns correct? No one would want to ban all guns.
That could not even be considered cause most people can use them responsibly.
It is a few out of millions who will not.
So we need some laws to ban some hard core porn in the same way.
No one wants to ban all porn. That is crazy.
We are speaking of hard core porn depicting violence towards woman and children
maybe the poor animals too :roll:
Who wants that garbage around anyways.
...
Dude... you go to some fucking WEIRD ASS Porn sites.
You should visit 'MILFs On Parade' or 'Mommy Got Boobs' instead.
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Come on, rape is rape it is sexual violence towards another human being
period.
Is it about power and sexual gratification together and separate
depending on the need it fulfills.
It's not ok to promote rape in our society. It's not ok to portray rape.
One reason why we have an epidemic of rape. It instills a mindset.
Wonder how many fantasize about raping?
Your example not mine
As far as the internet and hard core violent porn
yea it should be banned no not the internet
the content that portrays the raping of another human being
on the internet.
My example
Just like guns right? We have gun laws to protect the innocent to protect our
society but not take away all the guns correct? No one would want to ban all guns.
That could not even be considered cause most people can use them responsibly.
It is a few out of millions who will not.
So we need some laws to ban some hard core porn in the same way.
No one wants to ban all porn. That is crazy.
We are speaking of hard core porn depicting violence towards woman and children
maybe the poor animals too :roll:
Who wants that garbage around anyways.
do you know what a rape fantasy is???
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Would you say the same about murder? Cause if so, hollywood/TV shows are in trouble.
Look, I don't think it's a great thing either, in fact, I think it's gross, but it's not for me to decide what two consenting adults do for a living.
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Example
Speaking of murder, what would be said about legalized hunting of humans?
If they both consent? Talk about demoralizing our society and the value of human life.
It is a matter of morality and yes somethings people know are immoral
like sexual violence the rape of women and children
raping a defenseless animal the very things many here think as gross and disgusting
and know are immoral cause they are!
So how can portraying and condoning it in a society ever be right?
This in the guise of the very noble freedom of speech. Based in the fear
of losing ones personal rights, we allow heinous to continue.
Rape is never noble and should be abolished not revered.
Passing laws forbidding the depiction of the cruel ravaging of other human beings
and natures counterpart will begin the fight against rape that has been long since
due.
Just cause rape has been around since he beginning of time
doesn't mean we have to endure it until the end of time.
Example
Speaking of murder, what would be said about legalized hunting of humans?
If they both consent? Talk about demoralizing our society and the value of human life.
It is a matter of morality and yes somethings people know are immoral
like sexual violence the rape of women and children
raping a defenseless animal the very things many here think as gross and disgusting
and know are immoral cause they are!
So how can portraying and condoning it in a society ever be right?
This in the guise of the very noble freedom of speech. Based in the fear
of losing ones personal rights, we allow heinous to continue.
Rape is never noble and should be abolished not revered.
Passing laws forbidding the depiction of the cruel ravaging of other human beings
and natures counterpart will begin the fight against rape that has been long since
due.
Just cause rape has been around since he beginning of time
doesn't mean we have to endure it until the end of time.
You didn't answer my question. Why is it okay to portray murder and not rape? Two consenting adults to PORTRAY are different than it happening.
Should murder be portrayed in the media? Yes, or no. And if so, why is it different than rape?
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Example
Speaking of murder, what would be said about legalized hunting of humans?
If they both consent? Talk about demoralizing our society and the value of human life.
It is a matter of morality and yes somethings people know are immoral
like sexual violence the rape of women and children
raping a defenseless animal the very things many here think as gross and disgusting
and know are immoral cause they are!
So how can portraying and condoning it in a society ever be right?
This in the guise of the very noble freedom of speech. Based in the fear
of losing ones personal rights, we allow heinous to continue.
Rape is never noble and should be abolished not revered. Passing laws forbidding the depiction of the cruel ravaging of other human beings
and natures counterpart will begin the fight against rape that has been long since
due.
Just cause rape has been around since he beginning of time
doesn't mean we have to endure it until the end of time.
you just aren't getting the point.
In order to have freedoms you have to take the good with the bad and make the choice you feel is best.
you analogy with hunting humans is not the same as PORTRAYING rape. not even close. We have laws against actual rape. We have laws against child rape. We have laws against murder.
HOWEVER if you were talking about a situation like assisted suicide I would say yes, it should be allowed. But allowing someone to kill you and hunting are two different things. It isn't really hunting when the prey is trying to die. So hunting humans by definition of the process would indicate that it is always murder.
Let me see if I have this right...not being against the portrayal of rape among two consenting adults at there place of business means that you actually revere rape and celebrate it? am I understanding you correctly?
I wonder if you would also make these equivalencies:
being pro-choice means you are for baby killing.
being against social security as a government program means you are for the killing of the elderly and the most vulnerable.
Being against welfare means you hate children eating.
Being for the separation of church and state means you aren't a true christian
being for marriage equality means you are for the destruction of the family...
this kind of demagoguery has no place in a discussion.
... will begin the fight against rape that has been long since due.
what?!
you think places like the Sexual Violence Center in Minneapolis haven't been fighting against sexual violence already? You think John Ashcroft as attorney general didn't already attempt this fight? That statement is not based in reality.
If you want to fight against portrayals of rape being shown to others, go nuts...but don't be surprised when the next free speech issue is shutting you up in some way...Your morality isn't the end all be all, and fortunately we have rights and freedoms that cannot be infringed upon by people with the idea that their morality should be the only one allowed.
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In order to have freedoms you have to take the good with the bad and make the choice you feel is best.........
..Your morality isn't the end all be all, and fortunately we have rights and freedoms that cannot be infringed upon by people with the idea that their morality should be the only one allowed.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Some here are very quick to defend to the hilt freedom of speech, even when propos held are racist, homophobic, etc. claiming that one has the right to their beliefs. But, as soon as it's something they don't agree with, this claim seems to be reneged upon.
Porn (whether hard, soft, etc.) is filmed between consenting adults - whatever it may depict. Those that work in the industry have a right to their livelyhood, those that enjoy watching porn have the right to do just that. Freedom of expression.
Furthermore, I understand there are no credible studies liking more sex crimes to availability of porn. Naturally one can always google and find loads of 'studies' to suit their case....
I totally agree yes we need laws on our TV, gameplay, and movies ...
Depicting murder is not ok at all and has lead to the devaluation of life
it desensitizes and makes for a much more violent world.
It certainly could only help with the violence if we send a different message
one that we will NOT take enjoyment from seeing another person die.
movies are more violent now than in 1970, 80, 90, but the violent crime rate continues to drop. we are at a 50 year low if I am not mistaken. There is no foundation in reality to back up this claim. It is logical to make that leap, but if you do not take into account the stats, a logical argument isn't any different than any other argument not based in fact...you just get to be wrong with conviction.
from a washington post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01829.html The national decrease in murder began about two decades ago. In 1991, the national homicide rate hit 9.8 per 100,000 inhabitants, prompting forecasts of permanently rising street violence -- then fell to 5.7 in 1999. Many wondered whether this "Great Crime Decline" could be sustained for another 10 years. The answer would appear to be yes: By 2008, the murder rate had drifted down to 5.4 per 100,000, the lowest level since 1965. And given the preliminary figures, the rate for 2009 should be lower still. Indeed, if present trends continue, America will experience a degree of public safety not known since the 1950s.
so what is it? are we becoming more violent because our movies and games are, or are overall violent crime rates dropping as games and movies become more violent? It cannot be both ways...
I do know that clearance rates of crimes about 25-26% in an area deter crimes. That leads me to believe that the perception of being caught helps deter crime. It would then lead me to believe that tv shows that depict murderers being caught has helped curb violent crime more than it has caused it. Potential murderers see those shows and assume that their local police are able to catch them no matter what they try to do...And since I know that actual clearance rates make a difference in crime, I should be able to say that something that helps with increase perceived clearance rates should also help in lowering crime. I mean, I have no real facts to back up my argument, but it seems logical doesn't it?
here is a nice chart depicting incidents of crimes by year
another theory I have is that humans are naturally aggressive...part of our animal make up...and as such if we have no virtual release of that aggression we may be more likely to physically manifest our aggression.
who knows...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
In order to have freedoms you have to take the good with the bad and make the choice you feel is best.........
..Your morality isn't the end all be all, and fortunately we have rights and freedoms that cannot be infringed upon by people with the idea that their morality should be the only one allowed.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Some here are very quick to defend to the hilt freedom of speech, even when propos held are racist, homophobic, etc. claiming that one has the right to their beliefs. But, as soon as it's something they don't agree with, this claim seems to be reneged upon.
Porn (whether hard, soft, etc.) is filmed between consenting adults - whatever it may depict. Those that work in the industry have a right to their livelyhood, those that enjoy watching porn have the right to do just that. Freedom of expression.
Furthermore, I understand there are no credible studies liking more sex crimes to availability of porn. Naturally one can always google and find loads of 'studies' to suit their case....
Would just like to point you all back to my post about the porn industry - there are things to consider besides the "morality" of porn. Things that I think are more important... There are terrible things going on the porn industry that are harming human beings... until those things are fixed, porn should be considered carefully by those who choose to watch. For me it has nothing to do at with what is portrayed in porn (couldn't care less about that). It's what's actually happening to the real people who are working in the porn industry.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
In order to have freedoms you have to take the good with the bad and make the choice you feel is best.........
..Your morality isn't the end all be all, and fortunately we have rights and freedoms that cannot be infringed upon by people with the idea that their morality should be the only one allowed.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Some here are very quick to defend to the hilt freedom of speech, even when propos held are racist, homophobic, etc. claiming that one has the right to their beliefs. But, as soon as it's something they don't agree with, this claim seems to be reneged upon.
Porn (whether hard, soft, etc.) is filmed between consenting adults - whatever it may depict. Those that work in the industry have a right to their livelyhood, those that enjoy watching porn have the right to do just that. Freedom of expression.
Furthermore, I understand there are no credible studies liking more sex crimes to availability of porn. Naturally one can always google and find loads of 'studies' to suit their case....
Would just like to point you all back to my post about the porn industry - there are things to consider besides the "morality" of porn. Things that I think are more important... There are terrible things going on the porn industry that are harming human beings... until those things are fixed, porn should be considered carefully by those who choose to watch. For me it has nothing to do at with what is portrayed in porn (couldn't care less about that). It's what's actually happening to the real people who are working in the porn industry.
People still by nikes...people still buy diamonds...people still buy computers and ipads...
industries have problems... Awful things happen to human beings in all sorts of industries...This really isn't about that though...this is about the content produced and whether it should be censored for the public good or not...
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- Joe Rogan
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Yes, consenting adults should be able to choose... but industries that exploit vulnerable women and regularly tend to send them down a path of self-destruction isn't exactly something to gloss over either. I wish people would think more about that when they joke about porn or get off on some girl who actually ran away from home where she was sexually abused by her step dad or whatever, and found immediate "acceptance" and enough money to live when she was told she could be a model and why don't you come to my place for a "photo shoot". It is a seedy industry that hurts people. Jenna Jamieson is the exception, not the rule. I just think an awareness of this side of porn is important to have when making decisions about ... your porn use?
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Haha Bill Hicks was awesome
he still is and always will be.
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American priorities... guns, not tits... I guess.
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Fast Times - we can watch Spicoli getting wasted, but NOT Phoebe Cates' famous slo-mo-removing-bikini-top-after-exiting-the-pool scene? In their *ahem* lovely fullness?
And yet, asses seem to be OK....a la NYPD Blue and several other programs/films aired on tv.
Gotta love the double standard.
And have a 1/1000th of a second nip-slip at a Super Bowl Halftime Show and you get slapped with a monsterous fine... but, 1/2 an hour after the game is over, it is okay to have the cops on 'CSI:Miami' talk about the female victim who was raped repeatedly with a splintered 2x4 before having her face cut off with a pair of bolt cutters.
It is pretty incredible how nonchalant we are about violence... but, one tit pops out and fucking assholes act like their hair just burst into flames.
Why is that?
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it is to desensitise you to violence in order that youll be ok with state sanctioned violence whereas sex is bad... very very bad. we can not have everyone being comfortable with their sexuality.. we cant control orgasms.. but well try our darndest to make you feel dirty for having one. its a wonder babies are born as often as they are.
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way past 'gee don't have sex at all', more like don't rape and sodomize the girl scout
coming to the front door selling cookies
just to mention one hard core pornographic scenario.
This stuff is garbage and very bad for society but even worse for those who are already sick
or those impressionable growing up to be sick.
Many individuals appear healthy ... waiting for opportunity...
it knocks as we are seeing with sex crimes.
Let's tantalize the psycho and then in shock and disgust and in unison
scream 'what is wrong with our world!' when a little girl is abducted raped and murdered.
We as a society have condoned this behavior, we have allowed violent sex to permeate
instead of protecting and requiring moral conduct that does not involve degradation
towards some members of society, those of least power, our women and children.
And why have we done this? Some would say for a noble reason, freedom of speech,
but actually it is for money and lust. There is nothing noble about portraying rape.
do you think stranger rape is about sexual gratification?
Legislating someone else's morality isn't ok. It is plain and simple. It isn't ok to do it. Namely because there will never be enough. It will always be pushed...
The internet has made it easy to bypass the age restrictions on people watching porn, so then...why not ban the internet? It facilitates teens ability to watch porn...not to mention drug deals, anonymous sex, theft, prostitution, all of it...we should ban its use here in the US because of a small number of people in relation to the population. I mean...Most people use it responsibly but because some don't we should ban it all. No one can enjoy it...I mean kids can use it...what about the children?
does Amsterdam have a rape problem I am not aware of? Some VERY weird shit happens there...Couldn't it be It is more likely that people who some consider morally bankrupt gravitate to it along with those who use it for "other" purposes.
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If what you are saying is true (which, I do not agree with)... then, you know what needs to be legislated out of our lives?
Beauty contests... especially Children's Beauty Contests.
Get that fucking shit out of the mix and maybe I'll join your crusade.
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Oh... and 'Jersey Shore', too.
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period.
Is it about power and sexual gratification together and separate
depending on the need it fulfills.
It's not ok to promote rape in our society. It's not ok to portray rape.
One reason why we have an epidemic of rape. It instills a mindset.
Wonder how many fantasize about raping?
Your example not mine
As far as the internet and hard core violent porn
yea it should be banned no not the internet
the content that portrays the raping of another human being
on the internet.
My example
Just like guns right? We have gun laws to protect the innocent to protect our
society but not take away all the guns correct? No one would want to ban all guns.
That could not even be considered cause most people can use them responsibly.
It is a few out of millions who will not.
So we need some laws to ban some hard core porn in the same way.
No one wants to ban all porn. That is crazy.
We are speaking of hard core porn depicting violence towards woman and children
maybe the poor animals too :roll:
Who wants that garbage around anyways.
I don't know who wants it around, it doesn't do much for me, but I am not everyone and my morality isn't the choice for everyone else...
Can you prove to me that watching violent porn causes rape?
Santorum isn't talking about just violent porn, by the way, he is using the general sense of porn, all porn.
if you want to enforce your morality you have your choice of where you can do it. You can enforce it in your family(the best way) you can even try to influence your friends, or choose your friends based on your moral code...but you cannot simply legislate your morality onto others. It isn't right.
Back to my example from the internet, the internet facilitates all sorts of "immoral" behavior...and unlike assault rifles...it isn't easy to simply ban hardcore violent pornography. it is called the WORLD WIDE WEB for a reason, and if someone in a country without obscenity laws is creating the porn and posting it online...people all around the world can view those things. The only real way to ban it is to take down the actual medium by which that stuff is disseminated.
You might find it morally reprehensible, but simply saying that violent porn causes rape doesn't mean it does. it isn't the sole cause of rape and it shouldn't be censored. Again chicken/egg...do people watch that porn and become morally deficient, or are they morally deficient so they seek out the porn?
And that does not in any way condone rape. It condones the right of people to live their lives without harming others. what's next...call of duty? rambo? violent video games? rap music? rock and roll? all these things are blamed for moral decay as well, should we ban them? What is the difference between this argument and the argument against hip hop? or violent movies? or the alcohol? ...it can go on forever...
I realize you yourself are not arguing for the banning of these things, I am just wondering what the difference between someone saying violent porn causes rape so it should be banned, and violent video games cause murder they should be banned...
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- Joe Rogan
Dude... you go to some fucking WEIRD ASS Porn sites.
You should visit 'MILFs On Parade' or 'Mommy Got Boobs' instead.
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of course rape has been around as long as men right ... is what you are saying :?
do you know what a rape fantasy is???
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Look, I don't think it's a great thing either, in fact, I think it's gross, but it's not for me to decide what two consenting adults do for a living.
Speaking of murder, what would be said about legalized hunting of humans?
If they both consent? Talk about demoralizing our society and the value of human life.
It is a matter of morality and yes somethings people know are immoral
like sexual violence the rape of women and children
raping a defenseless animal the very things many here think as gross and disgusting
and know are immoral cause they are!
So how can portraying and condoning it in a society ever be right?
This in the guise of the very noble freedom of speech. Based in the fear
of losing ones personal rights, we allow heinous to continue.
Rape is never noble and should be abolished not revered.
Passing laws forbidding the depiction of the cruel ravaging of other human beings
and natures counterpart will begin the fight against rape that has been long since
due.
Just cause rape has been around since he beginning of time
doesn't mean we have to endure it until the end of time.
You didn't answer my question. Why is it okay to portray murder and not rape? Two consenting adults to PORTRAY are different than it happening.
Should murder be portrayed in the media? Yes, or no. And if so, why is it different than rape?
Depicting murder is not ok at all and has lead to the devaluation of life
it desensitizes and makes for a much more violent world.
It certainly could only help with the violence if we send a different message
one that we will NOT take enjoyment from seeing another person die.
you just aren't getting the point.
In order to have freedoms you have to take the good with the bad and make the choice you feel is best.
you analogy with hunting humans is not the same as PORTRAYING rape. not even close. We have laws against actual rape. We have laws against child rape. We have laws against murder.
HOWEVER if you were talking about a situation like assisted suicide I would say yes, it should be allowed. But allowing someone to kill you and hunting are two different things. It isn't really hunting when the prey is trying to die. So hunting humans by definition of the process would indicate that it is always murder.
Let me see if I have this right...not being against the portrayal of rape among two consenting adults at there place of business means that you actually revere rape and celebrate it? am I understanding you correctly?
I wonder if you would also make these equivalencies:
being pro-choice means you are for baby killing.
being against social security as a government program means you are for the killing of the elderly and the most vulnerable.
Being against welfare means you hate children eating.
Being for the separation of church and state means you aren't a true christian
being for marriage equality means you are for the destruction of the family...
this kind of demagoguery has no place in a discussion.
... will begin the fight against rape that has been long since due.
what?!
you think places like the Sexual Violence Center in Minneapolis haven't been fighting against sexual violence already? You think John Ashcroft as attorney general didn't already attempt this fight? That statement is not based in reality.
If you want to fight against portrayals of rape being shown to others, go nuts...but don't be surprised when the next free speech issue is shutting you up in some way...Your morality isn't the end all be all, and fortunately we have rights and freedoms that cannot be infringed upon by people with the idea that their morality should be the only one allowed.
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- Joe Rogan
I think you hit the nail on the head here. Some here are very quick to defend to the hilt freedom of speech, even when propos held are racist, homophobic, etc. claiming that one has the right to their beliefs. But, as soon as it's something they don't agree with, this claim seems to be reneged upon.
Porn (whether hard, soft, etc.) is filmed between consenting adults - whatever it may depict. Those that work in the industry have a right to their livelyhood, those that enjoy watching porn have the right to do just that. Freedom of expression.
Furthermore, I understand there are no credible studies liking more sex crimes to availability of porn. Naturally one can always google and find loads of 'studies' to suit their case....
movies are more violent now than in 1970, 80, 90, but the violent crime rate continues to drop. we are at a 50 year low if I am not mistaken. There is no foundation in reality to back up this claim. It is logical to make that leap, but if you do not take into account the stats, a logical argument isn't any different than any other argument not based in fact...you just get to be wrong with conviction.
from a washington post article
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01829.html
The national decrease in murder began about two decades ago. In 1991, the national homicide rate hit 9.8 per 100,000 inhabitants, prompting forecasts of permanently rising street violence -- then fell to 5.7 in 1999. Many wondered whether this "Great Crime Decline" could be sustained for another 10 years. The answer would appear to be yes: By 2008, the murder rate had drifted down to 5.4 per 100,000, the lowest level since 1965. And given the preliminary figures, the rate for 2009 should be lower still. Indeed, if present trends continue, America will experience a degree of public safety not known since the 1950s.
so what is it? are we becoming more violent because our movies and games are, or are overall violent crime rates dropping as games and movies become more violent? It cannot be both ways...
I do know that clearance rates of crimes about 25-26% in an area deter crimes. That leads me to believe that the perception of being caught helps deter crime. It would then lead me to believe that tv shows that depict murderers being caught has helped curb violent crime more than it has caused it. Potential murderers see those shows and assume that their local police are able to catch them no matter what they try to do...And since I know that actual clearance rates make a difference in crime, I should be able to say that something that helps with increase perceived clearance rates should also help in lowering crime. I mean, I have no real facts to back up my argument, but it seems logical doesn't it?
here is a nice chart depicting incidents of crimes by year
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
another theory I have is that humans are naturally aggressive...part of our animal make up...and as such if we have no virtual release of that aggression we may be more likely to physically manifest our aggression.
who knows...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Would just like to point you all back to my post about the porn industry - there are things to consider besides the "morality" of porn. Things that I think are more important... There are terrible things going on the porn industry that are harming human beings... until those things are fixed, porn should be considered carefully by those who choose to watch. For me it has nothing to do at with what is portrayed in porn (couldn't care less about that). It's what's actually happening to the real people who are working in the porn industry.
People still by nikes...people still buy diamonds...people still buy computers and ipads...
industries have problems... Awful things happen to human beings in all sorts of industries...This really isn't about that though...this is about the content produced and whether it should be censored for the public good or not...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan