Santorum wants to ban hard-core pornography

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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    polaris_x wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Is "extremist" the right word here, though? A guy who wants to ban hard-core porn is an extremist? Is someone who finds hard-core porn distasteful also an extremist?

    I think he's misguided and unquestionably pandering, but not an extremist. Once we start down the road of inflammatory statements.... I think we mix messages.

    it depends on how we define extremist ... to me it's when one subscribes to a doctrine that is religiously based and intolerant ... the story in morocco is an example of extremist behaviour ...

    the attack on gay rights and exploitation of christianity is alarming ... santorum appeals to this religious right conservative crowd ... these are the people that want to ban porn, ban gays, ban books, rewrite history, etc ...

    a guy like that only gets airtime because he has a following ... and he has a huge one ... relatively
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    Just curious... do you consider a general citizen that finds hard-core distasteful an extremist? How about someone who believes that gay marriage is distasteful?
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Also - aren't conservatives for more personal freedoms? They don't want government intervening in their lives?

    I'm confused now, cause Santorum wants to ban activity between consenting adults.


    Well, in US politics, libertarians are the only party for personal freedoms pretty much across the board. Conservatives side with that sometimes, liberals do sometimes. But, sometimes, liberals and conservatives think the government should impose their will on the private citizen.

    This is an example where conservative thinks the moral good supports government intervention.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    inlet13 wrote:
    Just curious... do you consider a general citizen that finds hard-core distasteful an extremist? How about someone who believes that gay marriage is distasteful?
    For porn? No. Gay marriage, I believe that they are bigoted and against rights of others.

    I think supporting a ban is what makes them extremist. Just because I don't like something or am offended by it doesn't mean it should be banned. I think Rush Limbaugh is extremely distasteful, however he should have the right to say what he wants.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    inlet13 wrote:
    This is an example where conservative thinks the moral good supports government intervention.
    I guess I just don't understand why it's the government's job to legislate morality.
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  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Also - aren't conservatives for more personal freedoms? They don't want government intervening in their lives?

    I'm confused now, cause Santorum wants to ban activity between consenting adults.
    no they are only for personal freedoms when it comes to money so they can bend the rules their way and pile up enough loot for 20 lifetimes. beyond that conservatives like Santorum want to control everything.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,441
    inlet13 wrote:
    That said, more directly to your point... when President Obama's administration was set to "ban" asthma inhalers over environmental concerns, was he an extremist?

    Never heard of this. Can you post a link?
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    inlet13 wrote:
    Just curious... do you consider a general citizen that finds hard-core distasteful an extremist? How about someone who believes that gay marriage is distasteful?

    no ... however, if that person chooses to try and change the laws to disallow it then yes ...
  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    keeponrockin wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Just curious... do you consider a general citizen that finds hard-core distasteful an extremist? How about someone who believes that gay marriage is distasteful?
    For porn? No. Gay marriage, I believe that they are bigoted and against rights of others.

    I think supporting a ban is what makes them extremist. Just because I don't like something or am offended by it doesn't mean it should be banned. I think Rush Limbaugh is extremely distasteful, however he should have the right to say what he wants.


    What do you think about the Fairness Doctrine?
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    That said, more directly to your point... when President Obama's administration was set to "ban" asthma inhalers over environmental concerns, was he an extremist?

    Never heard of this. Can you post a link?
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/sn ... 9410.story
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    inlet13 wrote:
    What do you think about the Fairness Doctrine?

    the turning point i say
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    edited March 2012
    I think but may be wrong here
    Republicans want the Federal government to provide very basic services
    to basic needs not be the ruling factor of all things.

    They want more state power, local power where individuals can have more control.

    This theory is what I support about the Republican Party and also
    protecting our rights laid out in the Constitution.

    I want the Feds to

    protect, provide safety and educational information, during disaster provide
    monetary and human help to the states, represent us worldwide
    just to mention a few.... more of a Country type role

    I believe laws governing personal behavior should be settled by the persons of that state
    not forced on all the people. And states should provide for their own citizens
    and make their own laws concerning the big issues.... like core beliefs.

    I enjoy the individuality this would bring and less tug of war between the blues and reds
    making purple the color of choice for the federal government.
    Post edited by pandora on
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    inlet13 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Just curious... do you consider a general citizen that finds hard-core distasteful an extremist? How about someone who believes that gay marriage is distasteful?
    For porn? No. Gay marriage, I believe that they are bigoted and against rights of others.

    I think supporting a ban is what makes them extremist. Just because I don't like something or am offended by it doesn't mean it should be banned. I think Rush Limbaugh is extremely distasteful, however he should have the right to say what he wants.


    What do you think about the Fairness Doctrine?
    I think it's a load of shit.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,441
    keeponrockin wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Just curious... do you consider a general citizen that finds hard-core distasteful an extremist? How about someone who believes that gay marriage is distasteful?
    For porn? No. Gay marriage, I believe that they are bigoted and against rights of others.

    I think supporting a ban is what makes them extremist. Just because I don't like something or am offended by it doesn't mean it should be banned. I think Rush Limbaugh is extremely distasteful, however he should have the right to say what he wants.

    Agreed. I am disturbed by the left wing calls to ban him. We should support the 1st Amendment at all times.
    inlet13 wrote:
    What do you think about the Fairness Doctrine?

    Isn't this the thing Republicans were all crazy about in 2008, then, what do you know?, nothing happened. :roll:
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,441
    inlet13 wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    That said, more directly to your point... when President Obama's administration was set to "ban" asthma inhalers over environmental concerns, was he an extremist?

    Never heard of this. Can you post a link?
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/sn ... 9410.story

    It says right in that article that that one type of inhaler was phased out beginning in 2006, by the Bush administration. There are dozens of inhalers on the market, and one was especially harmful to the ozone layer. So what's your point?
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    polaris_x wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    Just curious... do you consider a general citizen that finds hard-core distasteful an extremist? How about someone who believes that gay marriage is distasteful?

    no ... however, if that person chooses to try and change the laws to disallow it then yes ...


    I guess then, I'd ask what if the law is not currently in support of it? In other words, in order for gay marriage to go forward in certain states, laws need to be changed, right? So, someone who votes "no" to change a current state law and permit gay marriage is an extremist?

    I don't know, I think people have a right to their opinions and a right to their vote. On the other side, they could just as easily cast a supporter in opposition as an extremist.

    In other words, you could have two people directly opposed to one another on a political issue calling each other extremists. What good does that do?
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    keeponrockin wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:


    What do you think about the Fairness Doctrine?
    I think it's a load of shit.


    Agreed. But, those pushing it felt that we needed more "fairness".
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  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    polaris_x wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    What do you think about the Fairness Doctrine?

    the turning point i say


    Of what?
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    inlet13 wrote:
    I guess then, I'd ask what if the law is not currently in support of it? In other words, in order for gay marriage to go forward in certain states, laws need to be changed, right? So, someone who votes "no" to change a current state law and permit gay marriage is an extremist?

    I don't know, I think people have a right to their opinions and a right to their vote. On the other side, they could just as easily cast a supporter in opposition as an extremist.

    In other words, you could have two people directly opposed to one another on a political issue calling each other extremists. What good does that do?

    well ... but one side is showing intolerance in this instance ... it's not completely accurate to say that the opposite view of an extremists viewpoint is also extreme ...

    this is where critical thinking comes in ...
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,441
    Your first example of "left wing extremism" was actually something the GWB Admin did. Anything else?
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