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  • nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same
    You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though. 
    And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.
    holy shit dude. you just called him exactly what you do. 
    One side gives us legitimate reasons to be outraged. Why can’t you admit that? Same-same, I guess?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,513
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit. 

    and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important. 

    Playing the both sides card on whether Biden should have kept troops in Afghanistan is a bit absurd, since that is the wrong question. The minimal troop level Biden was left with was unsustainable as more troops would have been needed once the US showed the taliban it was violating the agreement by staying in the country long term. Under that scenario, loss of life would likely have been far greater than the tragic loss of 13 troops.

    the right question is - would staying in Afghanistan or increasing troops change anything regarding the outcome of the 20 year war. That is what Biden was adamant about regarding the advice from his generals, until Stephanopolous caught him when he was apparently furious about all the second guessing that everyone other than the president gets to make. Whether they told him to keep troops there is irrelevant. Yes the generals ALWAYS want more troops.

    Bottom line, leaving was the right call that 70% of the country agreed with, until things got messy. And now many of the 70% are making the wrong interpretation that getting out immediately was not safer to the lives of American troops. But that’s the luxury second guessers get to make that POTUS does not. Yes Biden should clean up his comment to ABC News, but that was 100% the wrong question
    I never mentioned anything about whether he should have kept troops there or not. not sure where you got that. all I mentioned was whether he or his generals were lying about how it went down, or whether he was incompetent because he couldn't recall such a crucial detail of the orders. 
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,352
    edited September 29
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same
    You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though. 
    And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.
    Yea I only voice certain opinions here. I just figured this site doesn’t need another person screaming about trump. But go ahead and make your assumptions. Where exactly has your posts here got you? How much time exactly have you wasted yelling at the clouds here? Your  condescending tone and “smartest guy in the room” attitude here is appalling honestly and quite boring. 
    There is an ignore feature for that.  Just gotta be persistent in actually ignoring since it gives you the ability to see what they post.  I don’t even consider opening that shit anymore, lol
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,947
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same
    You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though. 
    And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.
    holy shit dude. you just called him exactly what you do. 
    It’s unbelievable. Seriously. 
  • Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
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  • nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.

    Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
    you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines). 

    Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?

    unreal. 
    How many women? “Gets a pass?” Did you miss the word “inappropriate?”

    An investigation that started out as a land deal and resulted in a perjury charge? But hey, same-same.
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  • nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same
    You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though. 
    And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.
    Yea I only voice certain opinions here. I just figured this site doesn’t need another person screaming about trump. But go ahead and make your assumptions. Where exactly has your posts here got you? How much time exactly have you wasted yelling at the clouds here? Your  condescending tone and “smartest guy in the room” attitude here is appalling honestly and quite boring. 
    Says the respondent. Laughable.
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    can you guys point to on record quotes of what advice Biden was given?
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,901
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.

    Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
    you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines). 

    Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?

    unreal. 
    And enabled by his wife!
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,947
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.

    Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
    you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines). 

    Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?

    unreal. 
    And enabled by his wife!
    Yea but Melania! 
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 442
    When any president or politician lies or can't "recall" they should be called out for it regardless of the situation. Why didn't Biden just come out and say that his military advisors told him to keep troops in but it was his call as Commander-in-Chief. Biden says the buck stops with him but this issue puts that statement in question.

    How about the story with Lt. Col Scheller being locked away because he demanded accountability? https://www.militarytimes.com/news/2021/09/28/marine-lieutenant-colonel-who-demanded-accountability-in-brig-not-charged/

    Our government needs more accountability! There were no doubt some things that were botched during the Afghanistan pull out and so far, this guy is the only one being punished.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,513
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.

    Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
    you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines). 

    Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?

    unreal. 
    How many women? “Gets a pass?” Did you miss the word “inappropriate?”

    An investigation that started out as a land deal and resulted in a perjury charge? But hey, same-same.
    no one is equating them but you. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,901
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.

    Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
    you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines). 

    Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?

    unreal. 
    How many women? “Gets a pass?” Did you miss the word “inappropriate?”

    An investigation that started out as a land deal and resulted in a perjury charge? But hey, same-same.
    no one is equating them but you. 
    We aren't allowed to criticize Dems until they are as awful as some republicans, at least that is what i think the rule is?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,513
    Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
    some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else. 

    funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".  
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,513
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same
    You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though. 
    And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.
    holy shit dude. you just called him exactly what you do. 
    One side gives us legitimate reasons to be outraged. Why can’t you admit that? Same-same, I guess?
    sure, yeah, that's what we're all saying. the same way that what you are saying is that if a republican murders someone, a democrat that rapes someone shouldn't be held accountable because what the republican did was worse. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 2,901
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same
    You’re an incredible hypocrite. It’s all good though. 
    And your an incredible model of consistency, only outraged by one side. See where that’ll get you.
    holy shit dude. you just called him exactly what you do. 
    One side gives us legitimate reasons to be outraged. Why can’t you admit that? Same-same, I guess?
    sure, yeah, that's what we're all saying. the same way that what you are saying is that if a republican murders someone, a democrat that rapes someone shouldn't be held accountable because what the republican did was worse. 
    lol
  • The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?

    Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
    Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
    some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else. 

    funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".  
    Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.

    Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.

    Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
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  • nicknyr15 said:
    static111 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    Oh, the horror! If I recall, Clinton was impeached.
    So was Trump. Taking advantage of young female interns I guess isn’t that bad, judging from your oh the horror comment. 
    If you think a 22 year old is a “girl” and wasn’t a consenting adult during the “affair,” okay, I guess? It’s about the level of outrage and degree to which an inappropriate relationship was investigated and a POTUS was impeached and yet the other side excuses and nominates snd elects an admitted pussy grabber. See? Same-same.

    Why some can’t admit that is beyond me. It’s about the degrees of wrong and the degrees of accountability. But hey, same-same. So Dems should start playing that way.
    you once called me a woman-hating misogynist for saying something less offensive than this (that I didn't support Hillary or something along those lines). 

    Clinton was accused by how many women? and he gets a pass?

    unreal. 
    And enabled by his wife!
    Yea but Melania! 
    Last time I checked Bill & Hillary were still married. Is Melania wife number 3 or 4? I can't recall. Family values and all.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,199
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    who died as a result of that lie?

    how much money did that one cost taxpayers, aside from the $47 million kenn starr spent? drop in the bucket compared to afghanistan.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,199
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    had trump lied to get us out of that failed war, and US service members died during the pullout, you'd be losing your shit. 

    and honestly, i was less concerned about the potential that he lied; more the potential that he "didn't recall". recalling things like that is pretty important. 
    ronald reagan did not recall several things. under oath in the iran contra thing.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,947
    nicknyr15 said:
    And it didn’t start with POOTWH. Shrub lied us into Iraq, remember “Mission Accomplished?” And 22,000,000 missing emails? Who was held accountable? Biden lies about getting the US out of a failed war, oh the horror!
    The lies Didn’t start with Bush either (I’m guessing that’s shrub?). “I did not have sexual relations with that girl”. 
    who died as a result of that lie?

    how much money did that one cost taxpayers, aside from the $47 million kenn starr spent? drop in the bucket compared to afghanistan.
    I wasn’t really equating dollar amount or death with the lie told. The point was that presidents lie , in general. But only certain ones seem to anger certain people. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,513
    The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?

    Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
    Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
    some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else. 

    funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".  
    Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.

    Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.

    Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
    stop putting words in people's mouths. 

    i never said both sides were the same. 
    i never said, nor even came close to implying, that i'm outraged. I used the word "concerning". it that "outrage" to you? we should be questioning our elected representatives, whether they fall under your version of justifiable (AKA: did trump do worse?) or not. 

    I hold people accountable on their own actions based on the merits of what they've done, not on some "but he did it first/worse" childish sliding scale. 
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  • The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?

    Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
    Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
    some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else. 

    funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".  
    Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.

    Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.

    Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
    stop putting words in people's mouths. 

    i never said both sides were the same. 
    i never said, nor even came close to implying, that i'm outraged. I used the word "concerning". it that "outrage" to you? we should be questioning our elected representatives, whether they fall under your version of justifiable (AKA: did trump do worse?) or not. 

    I hold people accountable on their own actions based on the merits of what they've done, not on some "but he did it first/worse" childish sliding scale. 
    Did Biden lie about what his general(s) told him, seeing it concerns you so very much?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,214
    Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.  
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,199
    mrussel1 said:
    Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.  
    that is what i was alluding to last night.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 442
    mrussel1 said:
    Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.  
    If this is true, do you think Biden would take immediate action against them? There are many upset over the handling of Afghanistan and if his own generals are lying about what actually happened, Biden should get rid of them right now or at least discipline them. They all know what Biden said publicly and they are contradicting that. If he doesn't do something right now, what are they willing to do next?

    How many employees can tell lies about their boss and get away unscathed?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 23,214
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.  
    If this is true, do you think Biden would take immediate action against them? There are many upset over the handling of Afghanistan and if his own generals are lying about what actually happened, Biden should get rid of them right now or at least discipline them. They all know what Biden said publicly and they are contradicting that. If he doesn't do something right now, what are they willing to do next?

    How many employees can tell lies about their boss and get away unscathed?
    This is politics.  Everyone talks out of both sides of their mouths to protect themselves.  I'm not saying teh generals are lying, to be clear.  I'm saying they could play both sides and provide vague advice.  Biden and the national security team hears what they want to hear too.  This is how it works.  Everyone takes some heat for a period of time in Capitol Hill and then you move on.  You don't purge your high command for this.  Similarly, contrary to what Tom Cotton thinks, the senior staff doesn't resign either.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,513
    edited September 29
    The faux outrage or desirability for accountability only comes out when its one side. Has anyone answered Mickey's question yet? How's that border "crisis." Bottom line? dems are held accountable, way more so than repubs. Why can't you acknowledge that? Everything is same-same?

    Did Biden lie, referring to your post of this morning?HughFreakingDillon said:
    Listen to the righteous. Holy crap, relitagating the Clinton years. POOTWH may very well be the repubs nominee in 2024 and 65M+ voters will likely vote for him. Some here can’t see the difference in that? Talk about blinders.
    some of us have the ability to talk about different things in different situations without it always being a comparable to something else. 

    funny, for the last 4 years, anytime said anything about hillary, your response was a mocking "buh buh buh hillary", but now that a dem is in office, any criticism levied at him is met with a "buh buh buh trump".  
    Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary released 20 years of tax returns. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and the CGF were investigated and nothing came from it. Buh, buh, buh, buh Hillary and Benghazi. Buh, buh, buh Hillary and White Water. Same with Rose Firm billing records. And Vince Foster. And her emails. Tell me again, how outraged I should be over Hillary's malfeascance. And you want me to believe that somehow both sides are the same and that they are or should be held accountable. Delusional.

    Criticism, in my view should be justifiable and warranted. Not made up faux outrage. A lot of that here lately and for some, a hell of a lot less of it when it was wholly justifiable and backed with facts. To the bold, in the absence of facts.

    Did Biden lie about what his generals told him?
    stop putting words in people's mouths. 

    i never said both sides were the same. 
    i never said, nor even came close to implying, that i'm outraged. I used the word "concerning". it that "outrage" to you? we should be questioning our elected representatives, whether they fall under your version of justifiable (AKA: did trump do worse?) or not. 

    I hold people accountable on their own actions based on the merits of what they've done, not on some "but he did it first/worse" childish sliding scale. 
    Did Biden lie about what his general(s) told him, seeing it concerns you so very much?
    I don't know. do you?

    and again, I said I was less concerned if he lied than if he couldn't recall. 

    can't wait for you to ask me this same question in 6 months. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,199
    JB16057 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Interesting that we're not entertaining the possibility that his generals are the ones playing both sides of the coin.  
    If this is true, do you think Biden would take immediate action against them? There are many upset over the handling of Afghanistan and if his own generals are lying about what actually happened, Biden should get rid of them right now or at least discipline them. They all know what Biden said publicly and they are contradicting that. If he doesn't do something right now, what are they willing to do next?

    How many employees can tell lies about their boss and get away unscathed?
    well michael flynn was convicted and pardoned. maybe some of these generals are maga with an axe to grind against biden?
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