Afghanistan

The Juggler

mickeyrat said:

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

when was your day exactly?

HAHA
The hypocrisy of these Trump supporters just blows my fucking mind. 

And "46" is going to speak shortly. Lol...

Gern Blansten

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

If there is a locale on Isis-K it will get bombed.

tbergs

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

Yeah, we should really deploy troops to that country and put a stop to this kind of stuff. I'm sure we'd just need a few days to clear up the issues and get everyone back home...oh wait, we've already been there for 20 years. Huh, what exactly are we not supposed to tolerate?

CM189191

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

show us you have no idea what the president does without telling us you have no idea what the president does

CM189191

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

where do you think 46 is?
where do you think 46 should be?

Meltdown99

Bush is the person to blame.  This war was totally unnecessary.  The seal teams could have gotten bin laden all along…could have been minimal deaths.  I will never be ok with young people being killed in bullshit wars.  Also people who join the military join to defend his or her country…not to be shipped off to some bs cause that some assclown president takes up.

Meltdown99

Kabul explosions: At least 72 dead, including U.S. military personnel, officials say

https://globalnews.ca/news/8142120/afghanistan-kabul-airport-threat/

gimmesometruth27

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

why don't you guys have another benghazi hearing over it?

seriously. 600,000 dead americans on trump's watch and this is what you are upset about. 

The Juggler

"Ladies and gentlemen, it was time to end a 20 year war. Thank you very much."

mickeyrat

 oh here he is .....

https://apnews.com/article/europe-evacuations-kabul-f9321f143fd8749c1cc8c460b647fdd5

Joe Biden Afghanistan Islamic State group Kabul Taliban Evacuations

Biden vows to finish Kabul evacuation, avenge US deaths

By ROBERT BURNS, DARLENE SUPERVILLE and MATTHEW LEE

13 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden vowed Thursday to complete the evacuation of American citizens and others from Afghanistan despite the deadly suicide bomb attack at the Kabul airport. He also promised to avenge the deaths, declaring to the extremists responsible: “We will hunt you down and make you pay.”

Speaking with emotion from the White House, Biden said the Islamic State group's Afghanistan affiliate was to blame for the attacks that killed 12 American service members and many more Afghan civilians. He said there was no evidence they colluded with the Taliban, who now control the country.

“We have some reason to believe we know who they are,” he said of the bombers and gunmen involved. "Not certain.”

He said he had instructed military commanders to develop plans to strike IS “assets, leadership and facilities.”

The IS affiliate in Afghanistan has carried out many attacks on civilian targets in Afghanistan in recent years. It is far more radical than the Taliban, who seized power less than two weeks ago.

“We will respond with force and precision at our time, at the place of our choosing,” Biden said, adding, “These ISIS terrorists will not win. We will rescue the Americans; we will get our Afghan allies out, and our mission will go on. America will not be intimidated.”

Biden said U.S. military commanders in Afghanistan have told him it is important to complete the evacuation mission. “And we will,” he said, adding, “We will not be deterred by terrorists. We will not let them stop our mission.”

Indeed, Gen. Frank McKenzie, the Central Command chief who is overseeing the evacuation operation from his Florida headquarters, told a Pentagon news conference shortly before Biden spoke, “Let me be clear, while we are saddened by the loss of life, both U.S. and Afghan, we are continuing to execute the mission,.” He said there were about 5,000 evacuees on the airfield Thursday awaiting flights.

As many as 1,000 Americans and many more Afghans are still struggling to get out of Kabul.

Biden was briefed on the attacks, which came 12 days into the rushed evacuation and five days before its scheduled completion. Some Republicans and others have argued to extend the evacuation beyond next Tuesday's deadline.

The administration has been widely blamed for a chaotic and deadly evacuation that began in earnest only after the collapse of the U.S.-backed Afghan government and the Taliban's takeover of the country. More than 100,000 people have been evacuated so far, Afghans, Americans and others.

Thursday's attacks were sure to intensify political pressure from all sides on Biden, who already was under heavy criticism for not beginning the pullout earlier. He had announced in April that he was ending the U.S. war and would have all forces out by September.

House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy of California called for Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to bring the chamber back into session to consider legislation that would prohibit the U.S. withdrawal until all Americans are out. That's highly unlikely, and Pelosi's office dismissed such suggestions as “empty stunts.”

Gen. McKenzie said the military believes the attacks on the airport's perimeter were carried out by fighters affiliated with the Islamic State group's Afghanistan arm. He said more attempted attacks were expected.

After the suicide bomber's attack at the airport's Abbey Gate, a number of ISIS gunmen opened fire on civilians and military forces, he said. There also was an attack at or near the Baron Hotel near that gate, he said.

“We thought this would happen sooner or later," McKenzie said, adding that U.S. military commanders were working with Taliban commanders to prevent further attacks.

McKenzie said that in addition to the 12 U.S. service members killed in the attacks, at least 15 were injured.

As details of the attacks emerged, the White House rescheduled Biden's first in-person meeting with Israel's new prime minister on Thursday and canceled a video conference with governors about resettling Afghan refugees arriving in the United States.

A number of U.S. allies said they were ending their evacuation efforts in Kabul, at least in part to give the U.S. the time it needs to wrap up its evacuation operations before getting more than 5,000 U.S. troops out by Tuesday.

Despite intense pressure to extend the deadline, Biden has repeatedly cited the threat of terrorist attacks against civilians and U.S. service members as a reason to keep to his plan.

In an interview with ABC News, Ross Wilson, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, said, “There are safe ways to get to” the airport for those Americans who still want to leave. He added that “there undoubtedly will be” some at-risk Afghans who will not get out before Biden's deadline.

continues.....

JB16057

gimmesometruth27 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

why don't you guys have another benghazi hearing over it?

seriously. 600,000 dead americans on trump's watch and this is what you are upset about. 

Today was the deadliest attack on the US military in over a decade. That should be worth getting upset over no matter what political party you align yourself with.

RoleModelsinBlood31

Bentleyspop said:

Merkin Baller said:

Huh. 

https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1429878491466682376?s=21

Meanwhile trump tweeted in early October that he would have the troops home by Christmas, 2020. 

But but but Sleepy Joe!!

FALSE.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/24/jake-sullivan-bungles-line-about-visa-processing-afghans/

Not sure why you guys believe any of the media you claim is legit.  Not sure why I even come on this site these days.  Every time I’m here I read nonsense and false info worse than FB. Stop believing the propaganda and think for yourself.

RoleModelsinBlood31

cblock4life said:

WTF 

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/24/1030838666/2-congressmen-make-secret-trip-to-kabul-amid-u-s-withdrawal-chaos

This is what happens when govt personnel don’t have faith in their leader.  

RoleModelsinBlood31

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

An explosion has been reported outside the Kabul airport…reports are it was a suicide bomber.

lets see how harshly taliban quash the isis group.

You don’t think they’re complacent in this?!  Best article I read today:

https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/08/26/the-kabul-mission-begins-to-unravel-and-we-can-expect-to-see-much-worse-n433058

This guy comes from an amazing perspective and always writes amazing stuff.  Just a snippet:

“A wild card was also revealed today. There have been rumors of something called “ISIS-K,” or Islamic State-Khorasan suddenly cropping up. This is a relatively new group in Afghanistan and isn’t thought to be particularly large. While it is difficult to believe this group is any more brutal than the Taliban, the extent to which it has a different chain-of-command and political leadership means that it may not be on board with the rules, formal and informal, in existence at HKIA. The White House and its catchfarts in the media have pointed the finger of blame at this group.

Explosions outside the Kabul airport that have caused multiple U.S. casualties come as Biden administration officials have been alarmed in recent days by threats at Hamid Karzai International Airport by ISIS-K, a terrorist group that is a sworn enemy of the Taliban.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said while no formal attribution has been made, all signs – and recently gathered intelligence – point to ISIS-K, an offshoot of Islamic State, as the culprits.

This is where the funhouse mirrors come in.

Along with the newly discovered ISIS-K group, we are getting a parallel narrative.

The Taliban and ISIS-K are sworn enemies and have been fighting for years. ISIS-K views the Taliban as apostates, and not devout enough in terms of its approach to Islam. The group’s leaders denounced the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan, The New York Times reported. Along these lines, ISIS-K has an interest in conducting attacks that would induce chaos, embarrass the Taliban, and make it harder for the militant group to tighten its grip over Afghanistan.

The Taliban’s victory “puts significant pressure on ISIS to demonstrate its continued relevance to global jihad, which will make ISIS more dangerous as it attempts to prove the organization’s capability and relevance,” Jennifer Cafarella, a national security fellow at the Institute for the Study of War, told Insider.

The question is, do we believe this? For years we were told by the same group of clowns that Shia and Sunni would not cooperate…and yet in Iraq, we saw that happening all the time. We saw al-Qaeda operatives given safe haven in Iran. Now we’re told that this group and the Taliban are sworn enemies, yet somehow, they can operate freely at the epicenter of Taliban military strength and carry off an independent operation beneficial to the Taliban without being detected. Color me skeptical.

Let’s be candid; the Taliban have a vested interest in turning what is already a goat-rope into a monumental disaster. The way to do that is to gradually increase insecurity at HKIA without being overtly involved. This lets the Taliban have its cake (it is seen to keep its agreement with the US) while creating a disaster (mysterious suicide bombers, planes shot at, etc.).

The Biden White House also has a vested interest in assigning blame to ISIS-K, perhaps even an existential interest. That makes them look like they have the vaguest clue as to what is going on.

Of course, ISIS-K has a vested interest in taking credit, because this raises their profile and they look like the guys who are carrying on with the good fight, as the Taliban is making kissy-face with the Great Satan.

ISIS-K, or whoever has drawn blood, has further embarrassed the United States (assuming that is possible). Unless the Taliban haul out the planners and leaders behind the attack for a public rendezvous with a Stihl chainsaw, either the Taliban are not in control and the Biden White House are morons for negotiating with them, or the Taliban is stage-managing the attacks while maintaining plausible deniability.

The only way the US breaks out of this cycle and can continue the evacuation is to hold the Taliban accountable for every attack and any attack on US or allied interests. They’ve shown they can’t or won’t’ provide security for our forces and civilians, and it is time to let them know that our rules have changed, too. But we won’t do that — because the White House is weak and flaccid, and really doesn’t care if Americans, military or civilian, die in Kabul.“

RoleModelsinBlood31

gimmesometruth27 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

why don't you guys have another benghazi hearing over it?

seriously. 600,000 dead americans on trump's watch and this is what you are upset about. 

BuT TrUmPPP!!!!  

mrussel1

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

cblock4life said:

WTF 

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/24/1030838666/2-congressmen-make-secret-trip-to-kabul-amid-u-s-withdrawal-chaos

This is what happens when govt personnel don’t have faith in their leader.  

So anytime a congressman or senator goes to Afghanistan,  Iraq or other troubled areas,  that's a sign that govt personnel have lost faith in the president? Be sure to do a little googling before you answer. 

mrussel1

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

An explosion has been reported outside the Kabul airport…reports are it was a suicide bomber.

lets see how harshly taliban quash the isis group.

You don’t think they’re complacent in this?!  Best article I read today:

https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/08/26/the-kabul-mission-begins-to-unravel-and-we-can-expect-to-see-much-worse-n433058

This guy comes from an amazing perspective and always writes amazing stuff.  Just a snippet:

“A wild card was also revealed today. There have been rumors of something called “ISIS-K,” or Islamic State-Khorasan suddenly cropping up. This is a relatively new group in Afghanistan and isn’t thought to be particularly large. While it is difficult to believe this group is any more brutal than the Taliban, the extent to which it has a different chain-of-command and political leadership means that it may not be on board with the rules, formal and informal, in existence at HKIA. The White House and its catchfarts in the media have pointed the finger of blame at this group.

Explosions outside the Kabul airport that have caused multiple U.S. casualties come as Biden administration officials have been alarmed in recent days by threats at Hamid Karzai International Airport by ISIS-K, a terrorist group that is a sworn enemy of the Taliban.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said while no formal attribution has been made, all signs – and recently gathered intelligence – point to ISIS-K, an offshoot of Islamic State, as the culprits.

This is where the funhouse mirrors come in.

Along with the newly discovered ISIS-K group, we are getting a parallel narrative.

The Taliban and ISIS-K are sworn enemies and have been fighting for years. ISIS-K views the Taliban as apostates, and not devout enough in terms of its approach to Islam. The group’s leaders denounced the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan, The New York Times reported. Along these lines, ISIS-K has an interest in conducting attacks that would induce chaos, embarrass the Taliban, and make it harder for the militant group to tighten its grip over Afghanistan.

The Taliban’s victory “puts significant pressure on ISIS to demonstrate its continued relevance to global jihad, which will make ISIS more dangerous as it attempts to prove the organization’s capability and relevance,” Jennifer Cafarella, a national security fellow at the Institute for the Study of War, told Insider.

The question is, do we believe this? For years we were told by the same group of clowns that Shia and Sunni would not cooperate…and yet in Iraq, we saw that happening all the time. We saw al-Qaeda operatives given safe haven in Iran. Now we’re told that this group and the Taliban are sworn enemies, yet somehow, they can operate freely at the epicenter of Taliban military strength and carry off an independent operation beneficial to the Taliban without being detected. Color me skeptical.

Let’s be candid; the Taliban have a vested interest in turning what is already a goat-rope into a monumental disaster. The way to do that is to gradually increase insecurity at HKIA without being overtly involved. This lets the Taliban have its cake (it is seen to keep its agreement with the US) while creating a disaster (mysterious suicide bombers, planes shot at, etc.).

The Biden White House also has a vested interest in assigning blame to ISIS-K, perhaps even an existential interest. That makes them look like they have the vaguest clue as to what is going on.

Of course, ISIS-K has a vested interest in taking credit, because this raises their profile and they look like the guys who are carrying on with the good fight, as the Taliban is making kissy-face with the Great Satan.

ISIS-K, or whoever has drawn blood, has further embarrassed the United States (assuming that is possible). Unless the Taliban haul out the planners and leaders behind the attack for a public rendezvous with a Stihl chainsaw, either the Taliban are not in control and the Biden White House are morons for negotiating with them, or the Taliban is stage-managing the attacks while maintaining plausible deniability.

The only way the US breaks out of this cycle and can continue the evacuation is to hold the Taliban accountable for every attack and any attack on US or allied interests. They’ve shown they can’t or won’t’ provide security for our forces and civilians, and it is time to let them know that our rules have changed, too. But we won’t do that — because the White House is weak and flaccid, and really doesn’t care if Americans, military or civilian, die in Kabul.“

Complicit, not complacent. 

I think mickeyrat is saying this is a litmus test,  not that he trusts the Taliban. I mean,  it would be stupid to trust the Taliban and make a deal with them,  right?

Halifax2TheMax

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

why don't you guys have another benghazi hearing over it?

seriously. 600,000 dead americans on trump's watch and this is what you are upset about. 

BuT TrUmPPP!!!!  

Ahhhh, good old RedState. Now there’s an objective shill without an agenda. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedState

Beating that drum of unmitigated bloodshed. Because we all know that bombing the Taliban now would be without consequences. Holy fuck. When are you enlisting? I hear the pizza in Kabul is shit.

JB16057

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Where is 46 though? Probably getting ice cream. Back in my day bombing us citizens wasn't tolerated and we didn't negotiate with terrorists.

why don't you guys have another benghazi hearing over it?

seriously. 600,000 dead americans on trump's watch and this is what you are upset about. 

BuT TrUmPPP!!!!  

I'll piggy back on this.... That's fine if you want to blame Trump for COVID deaths. We have that right because our military has sworn to fight for our freedom to believe what we want(that same military that was attacked today and had the deadliest attack in a decade).

I personally don't blame Trump for the COVID deaths but if you are going to be fair, you should be blaming Trump for around 400,000 deaths and the other approximately 230,000 deaths on Biden since these happened during Biden's term and people continue to die today.

COVID is worse than it has ever been in the United States. I am a fair person so I'm not going to lie and blame Biden for the current COVID situation or the deaths that have happened since he became President.

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mickeyrat said:

Meltdown99 said:

An explosion has been reported outside the Kabul airport…reports are it was a suicide bomber.

lets see how harshly taliban quash the isis group.

You don’t think they’re complacent in this?!  Best article I read today:

https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/08/26/the-kabul-mission-begins-to-unravel-and-we-can-expect-to-see-much-worse-n433058

This guy comes from an amazing perspective and always writes amazing stuff.  Just a snippet:

“A wild card was also revealed today. There have been rumors of something called “ISIS-K,” or Islamic State-Khorasan suddenly cropping up. This is a relatively new group in Afghanistan and isn’t thought to be particularly large. While it is difficult to believe this group is any more brutal than the Taliban, the extent to which it has a different chain-of-command and political leadership means that it may not be on board with the rules, formal and informal, in existence at HKIA. The White House and its catchfarts in the media have pointed the finger of blame at this group.

Explosions outside the Kabul airport that have caused multiple U.S. casualties come as Biden administration officials have been alarmed in recent days by threats at Hamid Karzai International Airport by ISIS-K, a terrorist group that is a sworn enemy of the Taliban.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said while no formal attribution has been made, all signs – and recently gathered intelligence – point to ISIS-K, an offshoot of Islamic State, as the culprits.

This is where the funhouse mirrors come in.

Along with the newly discovered ISIS-K group, we are getting a parallel narrative.

The Taliban and ISIS-K are sworn enemies and have been fighting for years. ISIS-K views the Taliban as apostates, and not devout enough in terms of its approach to Islam. The group’s leaders denounced the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan, The New York Times reported. Along these lines, ISIS-K has an interest in conducting attacks that would induce chaos, embarrass the Taliban, and make it harder for the militant group to tighten its grip over Afghanistan.

The Taliban’s victory “puts significant pressure on ISIS to demonstrate its continued relevance to global jihad, which will make ISIS more dangerous as it attempts to prove the organization’s capability and relevance,” Jennifer Cafarella, a national security fellow at the Institute for the Study of War, told Insider.

The question is, do we believe this? For years we were told by the same group of clowns that Shia and Sunni would not cooperate…and yet in Iraq, we saw that happening all the time. We saw al-Qaeda operatives given safe haven in Iran. Now we’re told that this group and the Taliban are sworn enemies, yet somehow, they can operate freely at the epicenter of Taliban military strength and carry off an independent operation beneficial to the Taliban without being detected. Color me skeptical.

Let’s be candid; the Taliban have a vested interest in turning what is already a goat-rope into a monumental disaster. The way to do that is to gradually increase insecurity at HKIA without being overtly involved. This lets the Taliban have its cake (it is seen to keep its agreement with the US) while creating a disaster (mysterious suicide bombers, planes shot at, etc.).

The Biden White House also has a vested interest in assigning blame to ISIS-K, perhaps even an existential interest. That makes them look like they have the vaguest clue as to what is going on.

Of course, ISIS-K has a vested interest in taking credit, because this raises their profile and they look like the guys who are carrying on with the good fight, as the Taliban is making kissy-face with the Great Satan.

ISIS-K, or whoever has drawn blood, has further embarrassed the United States (assuming that is possible). Unless the Taliban haul out the planners and leaders behind the attack for a public rendezvous with a Stihl chainsaw, either the Taliban are not in control and the Biden White House are morons for negotiating with them, or the Taliban is stage-managing the attacks while maintaining plausible deniability.

The only way the US breaks out of this cycle and can continue the evacuation is to hold the Taliban accountable for every attack and any attack on US or allied interests. They’ve shown they can’t or won’t’ provide security for our forces and civilians, and it is time to let them know that our rules have changed, too. But we won’t do that — because the White House is weak and flaccid, and really doesn’t care if Americans, military or civilian, die in Kabul.“

Complicit, not complacent. 

I think mickeyrat is saying this is a litmus test,  not that he trusts the Taliban. I mean,  it would be stupid to trust the Taliban and make a deal with them,  right?

This is classic bud.  Well played.