It would be nice to see medical marijuana be more available to all who
need and want it.
In my opinion all drugs legal sends the wrong message in our society,
a caring society cares enough to watch out for each other.
And yes prescription drugs have taken over our society ...
big pharmie big bucks big trouble for us.
Got something the least bit annoying going on with you?
they got a pill for that! :wtf:
Morning to ya, pandora.
I think all drugs legalized sends the message of responsibility to our society, both individually and collectively. And yes, if that society cares, they'll try to help those who need it. But, I don't believe it's the government's job to make those decisions for us...it takes away one's accountability.
And speaking of a pill for that! After Danny's mother died last year, he had a tough time of it - of course. His doctor prescribed him an antidepressant which, after I did some research, scared the holy fuck out of me. THAT shit is OK to have someone take and suffer the horrifying side-effects, but pot is the devil's weed?
It would be nice to see medical marijuana be more available to all who
need and want it.
In my opinion all drugs legal sends the wrong message in our society,
a caring society cares enough to watch out for each other.
And yes prescription drugs have taken over our society ...
big pharmie big bucks big trouble for us.
Got something the least bit annoying going on with you?
they got a pill for that! :wtf:
Morning to ya, pandora.
I think all drugs legalized sends the message of responsibility to our society, both individually and collectively. And yes, if that society cares, they'll try to help those who need it. But, I don't believe it's the government's job to make those decisions for us...it takes away one's accountability.
And speaking of a pill for that! After Danny's mother died last year, he had a tough time of it - of course. His doctor prescribed him an antidepressant which, after I did some research, scared the holy fuck out of me. THAT shit is OK to have someone take and suffer the horrifying side-effects, but pot is the devil's weed?
Jeesh!
Morning!
People are irresponsible as much or more than responsible ... laws of all kinds protect
and inform.
Yes, the side effect thing is laughable, how many of us watch the commercials ,
the list goes on and on often ending in rare cases death :fp:
I think I'll keep my mood swings. What is most laughable is the drugs to treat
the side effects of the first drug and people are doing this.
I go back to feeling. Whether it is pain, sadness, anxiety, joy, it is better than not
feeling. It is all about being alive, getting to know oneself, accepting that
and calling upon ones own strengths, support systems and faith in knowing
that we are right where we are supposed to be.... learning.
Have you done the research on BP meds yet that will freak you out...
And it's all the rage!
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,426
I would rather have a well educated doctor who is not owned by a pharmaceutical company and alternative health care practitioner tell me what drugs to do me and for me- which are good and helpful and which are harmful rather than a law. Laws protect and inform? Only if you can't think for yourself. Laws have their place I suppose but I'm not a big fan of law. I'd rather see education and the teaching of critical thinking so that people will learn to think better for themselves rather than be uneducated zombies following the dotted line.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I go back to feeling. Whether it is pain, sadness, anxiety, joy, it is better than not
feeling.
That reminds me of Mr. Ament in Single Video Theory (paraphrasing) - "not WHAT to feel, but to feel".
Hell YES...although I do succumb to comfortably numb when the need arises
brian, much agreed on thinking for yourself - self-education. No excuse for otherwise, considering how much information is now available. (of course, one must weed through all that shit to find the truth!)
It would be nice to see medical marijuana be more available to all who
need and want it.
In my opinion all drugs legal sends the wrong message in our society,
a caring society cares enough to watch out for each other.
And yes prescription drugs have taken over our society ...
big pharmie big bucks big trouble for us.
Got something the least bit annoying going on with you?
they got a pill for that! :wtf:
Morning to ya, pandora.
I think all drugs legalized sends the message of responsibility to our society, both individually and collectively. And yes, if that society cares, they'll try to help those who need it. But, I don't believe it's the government's job to make those decisions for us...it takes away one's accountability.
And speaking of a pill for that! After Danny's mother died last year, he had a tough time of it - of course. His doctor prescribed him an antidepressant which, after I did some research, scared the holy fuck out of me. THAT shit is OK to have someone take and suffer the horrifying side-effects, but pot is the devil's weed?
Jeesh!
Morning!
People are irresponsible as much or more than responsible ... laws of all kinds protect
and inform.
EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION
Not laws that tell people what they can and can't do to their OWN bodies....
Not laws that tell people what they can and can't do to their OWN bodies....
We've had this argument before, Pandora.
Yes and always civil, respectful and kind you are thank you!
We will continue to disagree, I am afraid on legalizing all drugs.
Just as we need laws protecting we need much education
this I agree with 100%.
But as we can see ... many know very well the effects of alcohol on the body
yet people continue to endanger others while driving under the influence.
This a comparison as to why we need laws to protect
and consequences for those who are irresponsible and hurt others and society.
This the same with those providing and using hard drugs.
Our bodies are our own until they endanger another. Parent hurt Child, Father hurt Mother,
Employee hurt Employer, Neighbor hurt Neighbor...
person to person we are all connected in relationships in our society,
each one's actions affect the other.
Hard drugs hurt many people and the integrity of society itself.
I know I have said many times to many posters we will agree to disagree
and that is the outcome and hopefully respectfully.
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Not suprised here that this is the case....the NFL isn't focused on recreational drugs.
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
interesting. points out an interesting state's rights view about the Obama administration.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
the Chicago City Council Wednesday voted 43-3 to approve a new city pot policy.
The ordinance gives police the option to issue a ticket for possession of 15 grams of marijuana or less. Arrests would still be mandated for anyone caught smoking pot in public or possessing marijuana in or near a school or in or near a park. The new rules go into effect Aug. 4.
Supporters of the ordinance, including Mayor Rahm Emanuel, said issuing tickets frees up cops for more serious crime and ultimately will save the police department about $1 million.
Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.
Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.
It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.
Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.
Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.
It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.
Those poor boys. There are always idiots around, unfortunately.
I'd imagine that if someone drinks responsibly (I hate that damned PC term every time I see it in a booze ad), they'd apply that same prudence when smoking as well.
As for me and DUI'ing, I'll say this...if I were high and driving around LA - with some of the worst, most self-absorbed folks to ever hit the road (myself not included, of course!) - it would only serve as a buzzkill :P
Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.
Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.
It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.
Was there MJ involved in the incident you're referencing? If not, why are you bringing it up? You have stated several times on this board that you support MJ reforms (but no reforms for the 'killer' drugs, as you like to call them)....so why are you now playing devils advocate? because of an (assumedly) unrelated incident?
I've said it here many times....for the overwhelming majority of smokers, the impairment level after smoking is less than someone who blows a .08% blood alcohol. Maybe there is the odd person who are more impaired by MJ, but lets be real here: MJ does not result in careless decisions in the same way alcohol does. A person who is stoned to the level of physical impairment will likely be freaked the f out at the thought of driving a car....while a drunk person is more likely to say 'I'm fine to drive'. There are many, many things that distract/impair drivers more than marijuana; they reside in legal grey areas ie - only enforceable under 'distracted driving' or impaired driving laws (w/o the benefit of roadside tests).
Besides....unless you can prove that there will be a large increase in the number of people smoking because of reforms (precedents set in other countries show there would not), it would have no effect on the number of people driving impaired. The smokers who think it's ok to drive stoned are already doing so. Legalization wouldn't cause someone to decide to start driving stoned.
I'm not condoning driving while stoned, but it is largely a strawman argument against reforms.
As I'm living my life I'm touched by events and people, I am not alone....
like the aching family and this boy lost in the water,
while his brother waits to be buried with him.
This pain and loss senseless and avoidable but for one thoughtless person's
irresponsible actions.
My opinion on legalizing weed is taking a bit of a turn.
The extremists who want to legalize all drugs, who do not see how all people
here on the earth are connected, that we are never our bodies alone,
that we have responsibility to society, to each other, to younger generations,
this by way of what we teach them, by our examples, by what is acceptable.
This has very much effected how I feel on the subject.
I believe where pot is now is a good place ... prescribed by doctors,
used in the privacy of one's home. This new Chicago law attempts to stay
within these boundaries but the effects may be quite different.
My opinion on ticketing is a cop should never come in contact with a person
under the influence because in most cases, with too high of a probability for me, they are because the smoker is behind the wheel.
More will choose to drive thinking ticket alone. And we see, this is after the fact,
often after a tragedy.
The thing about both alcohol and pot it removes good common sense and effects
good decision making for many people. It is all about fun
but we see how fun turns tragic too often and hindsight is 20/20.
This conservative thinking comes to some with age. It comes from seeing the young
die, seeing their families living hell. I personally want to be careful that the law
continues to discourage use and protects those who are bound to act
irresponsibly in the name of fun.
As I'm living my life I'm touched by events and people, I am not alone....
like the aching family and this boy lost in the water,
while his brother waits to be buried with him.
This pain and loss senseless and avoidable but for one thoughtless person's
irresponsible actions.
My opinion on legalizing weed is taking a bit of a turn.
The extremists who want to legalize all drugs, who do not see how all people
here on the earth are connected, that we are never our bodies alone,
that we have responsibility to society, to each other, to younger generations,
this by way of what we teach them, by our examples, by what is acceptable.
This has very much effected how I feel on the subject.
I believe where pot is now is a good place ... prescribed by doctors,
used in the privacy of one's home. This new Chicago law attempts to stay
within these boundaries but the effects may be quite different.
My opinion on ticketing is a cop should never come in contact with a person
under the influence because in most cases, with too high of a probability for me, they are because the smoker is behind the wheel.
More will choose to drive thinking ticket alone. And we see, this is after the fact,
often after a tragedy.
The thing about both alcohol and pot it removes good common sense and effects
good decision making for many people. It is all about fun
but we see how fun turns tragic too often and hindsight is 20/20.
This conservative thinking comes to some with age. It comes from seeing the young
die, seeing their families living hell. I personally want to be careful that the law
continues to discourage use and protects those who are bound to act
irresponsibly in the name of fun.
people die in accidents and they are definitely tragedies.
What about the thousands of people who die in other countries and our own simply because these drugs are illegal? Who is more important to you?
...social conservatism is simply a much different form of progressive behavior, and the reason why conservatives always sound like hypocrites
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Make drinking and driving/smoking and driving a mandatory minimum of 5 years with no license at which point you start over with your learners permit. I don't know why we're not doing this already.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
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Make drinking and driving/smoking and driving a mandatory minimum of 5 years with no license at which point you start over with your learners permit. I don't know why we're not doing this already.
I like that idea but instead of 5 years make it 2. Five years is a long, long time but either way that would/should get people's attention.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.
Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.
It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.
I've said it here many times....for the overwhelming majority of smokers, the impairment level after smoking is less than someone who blows a .08% blood alcohol. Maybe there is the odd person who are more impaired by MJ, but lets be real here: MJ does not result in careless decisions in the same way alcohol does. A person who is stoned to the level of physical impairment will likely be freaked the f out at the thought of driving a car....while a drunk person is more likely to say 'I'm fine to drive'. There are many, many things that distract/impair drivers more than marijuana; they reside in legal grey areas ie - only enforceable under 'distracted driving' or impaired driving laws (w/o the benefit of roadside tests).
Besides....unless you can prove that there will be a large increase in the number of people smoking because of reforms (precedents set in other countries show there would not), it would have no effect on the number of people driving impaired. The smokers who think it's ok to drive stoned are already doing so. Legalization wouldn't cause someone to decide to start driving stoned.
I'm not condoning driving while stoned, but it is largely a strawman argument against reforms.
I agree, If nothing else smoking MJ and driving appears to make one paranoid of EVERYTHING. Therefore making some not want to get behind the wheel.
Everytime down here in South Florida I see a driver, driving 20 miles or more BELOW the speed limit I yell (not at them) WHAT, ARE YOU HIGH!
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Make drinking and driving/smoking and driving a mandatory minimum of 5 years with no license at which point you start over with your learners permit. I don't know why we're not doing this already.
I agree but of course we can't house the violent criminals we do have...
make more giant prisons ... the answer?
Do we think this will be the cause and effect of more driving under the influence?
We don't need that.
Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.
It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.
I've said it here many times....for the overwhelming majority of smokers, the impairment level after smoking is less than someone who blows a .08% blood alcohol. Maybe there is the odd person who are more impaired by MJ, but lets be real here: MJ does not result in careless decisions in the same way alcohol does. A person who is stoned to the level of physical impairment will likely be freaked the f out at the thought of driving a car....while a drunk person is more likely to say 'I'm fine to drive'. There are many, many things that distract/impair drivers more than marijuana; they reside in legal grey areas ie - only enforceable under 'distracted driving' or impaired driving laws (w/o the benefit of roadside tests).
Besides....unless you can prove that there will be a large increase in the number of people smoking because of reforms (precedents set in other countries show there would not), it would have no effect on the number of people driving impaired. The smokers who think it's ok to drive stoned are already doing so. Legalization wouldn't cause someone to decide to start driving stoned.
I'm not condoning driving while stoned, but it is largely a strawman argument against reforms.
I agree, If nothing else smoking MJ and driving appears to make one paranoid of EVERYTHING. Therefore making some not want to get behind the wheel.
Everytime down here in South Florida I see a driver, driving 20 miles or more BELOW the speed limit I yell (not at them) WHAT, ARE YOU HIGH!
Peace
Many drink and smoke pot was my point... they are no where near exclusive of each other.
any plant that grows as nature intended it should be able to be utilised as it is. sure there were times in my misspent youth when joints were given a punch with hash.. but most of the time we smoked weed as nature gave it life. we eat and drink so many things as nature intended so why not smoke a bowl and macrame your arse into the couch??? however...
... if you kill someone, maim someone, crash your car or do something else thats covered under the law as illegal then sure you should pay the price.. but as far as im comcerned the use and growing(for personal use) of marijuana should be, at the least, decriminalised.
i have nothing against anyone using drugs for whatever reason. what i have a problem with is dealers and traffickers.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
As I'm living my life I'm touched by events and people, I am not alone....
like the aching family and this boy lost in the water,
while his brother waits to be buried with him.
This pain and loss senseless and avoidable but for one thoughtless person's
irresponsible actions.
My opinion on legalizing weed is taking a bit of a turn.
The extremists who want to legalize all drugs, who do not see how all people
here on the earth are connected, that we are never our bodies alone,
that we have responsibility to society, to each other, to younger generations,
this by way of what we teach them, by our examples, by what is acceptable.
This has very much effected how I feel on the subject.
I believe where pot is now is a good place ... prescribed by doctors,
used in the privacy of one's home. This new Chicago law attempts to stay
within these boundaries but the effects may be quite different.
My opinion on ticketing is a cop should never come in contact with a person
under the influence because in most cases, with too high of a probability for me, they are because the smoker is behind the wheel.
More will choose to drive thinking ticket alone. And we see, this is after the fact,
often after a tragedy.
The thing about both alcohol and pot it removes good common sense and effects
good decision making for many people. It is all about fun
but we see how fun turns tragic too often and hindsight is 20/20.
This conservative thinking comes to some with age. It comes from seeing the young
die, seeing their families living hell. I personally want to be careful that the law
continues to discourage use and protects those who are bound to act
irresponsibly in the name of fun.
people die in accidents and they are definitely tragedies.
What about the thousands of people who die in other countries and our own simply because these drugs are illegal? Who is more important to you?
...social conservatism is simply a much different form of progressive behavior, and the reason why conservatives always sound like hypocrites
This sounds a bit biased :?
I care if someone is an addict even if they don't. I want to teach future generations
not to use drugs, not legalize all drugs with the huge message that they are ok to use.
There is no way around that. That is the message and it will increase use.
The world is sad enough without more lost souls. This is what drugs do, they take
the soul of healthy productive people, ruin families, hurt business, divide instead
of bring people together. Ludicrous the idea to throw more lives away to this junk
by saying society supports the use of drugs.
It is not an accident when one is high and drunk behind the wheel, or driving a boat,
it is a tragedy but no accident.
i prefer people to be responsible. i have no desire to preach to them about what they should do with their lives in regards to drug usage(if i did id be a hypocrite). if they want to use drugs then thats their call not mine... however they need to be responsible for any actions that result from that use.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
hmmm yes the guy who killed the two young boys boating with their grandfather
yes he is responsible. Big fucking deal...
that is after the fact when so many lives are ruined.
This why we have laws to protect the innocent, not preach, protect, to
try to teach, not preach to those who may be irresponsible and all about fun at the
expense of others lives.
lives get ruined all the fucking time irregardless of whether by actions illegal or legal. is this reason enough to allow some things to slide? perhaps...perhaps not. but the law is blanket and not especially giving nor flexible. should every case be decided on its individual merits or folloe what 'society' has decided 'necessary' ??? i think so. we are all individuals so why should the law not reflect that??
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
As I'm living my life I'm touched by events and people, I am not alone....
like the aching family and this boy lost in the water,
while his brother waits to be buried with him.
This pain and loss senseless and avoidable but for one thoughtless person's
irresponsible actions.
My opinion on legalizing weed is taking a bit of a turn.
The extremists who want to legalize all drugs, who do not see how all people
here on the earth are connected, that we are never our bodies alone,
that we have responsibility to society, to each other, to younger generations,
this by way of what we teach them, by our examples, by what is acceptable.
This has very much effected how I feel on the subject.
I believe where pot is now is a good place ... prescribed by doctors,
used in the privacy of one's home. This new Chicago law attempts to stay
within these boundaries but the effects may be quite different.
My opinion on ticketing is a cop should never come in contact with a person
under the influence because in most cases, with too high of a probability for me, they are because the smoker is behind the wheel.
More will choose to drive thinking ticket alone. And we see, this is after the fact,
often after a tragedy.
The thing about both alcohol and pot it removes good common sense and effects
good decision making for many people. It is all about fun
but we see how fun turns tragic too often and hindsight is 20/20.
This conservative thinking comes to some with age. It comes from seeing the young
die, seeing their families living hell. I personally want to be careful that the law
continues to discourage use and protects those who are bound to act
irresponsibly in the name of fun.
people die in accidents and they are definitely tragedies.
What about the thousands of people who die in other countries and our own simply because these drugs are illegal? Who is more important to you?
...social conservatism is simply a much different form of progressive behavior, and the reason why conservatives always sound like hypocrites
This sounds a bit biased :?
I care if someone is an addict even if they don't. I want to teach future generations
not to use drugs, not legalize all drugs with the huge message that they are ok to use.
There is no way around that. That is the message and it will increase use.
The world is sad enough without more lost souls. This is what drugs do, they take
the soul of healthy productive people, ruin families, hurt business, divide instead
of bring people together. Ludicrous the idea to throw more lives away to this junk
by saying society supports the use of drugs.
It is not an accident when one is high and drunk behind the wheel, or driving a boat,
it is a tragedy but no accident.
Is it a bias when it proves to be true time and again. Social conservatives say, I want the gov't out of my personal life...they also say, I want the government to put limits on other people's personal lives. By definition alone that is hypocrisy, but I know that definitions don't mean much.
So you have decided then...a few more drug addicts in the US are worth more to you than the thousands and thousands and thousands that die and end up in prison for 20 years because the drugs are illegal. good to know where you stand.
But it is all for the children
The government isn't society
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Comments
I think all drugs legalized sends the message of responsibility to our society, both individually and collectively. And yes, if that society cares, they'll try to help those who need it. But, I don't believe it's the government's job to make those decisions for us...it takes away one's accountability.
And speaking of a pill for that! After Danny's mother died last year, he had a tough time of it - of course. His doctor prescribed him an antidepressant which, after I did some research, scared the holy fuck out of me. THAT shit is OK to have someone take and suffer the horrifying side-effects, but pot is the devil's weed?
Jeesh!
Morning!
People are irresponsible as much or more than responsible ... laws of all kinds protect
and inform.
Yes, the side effect thing is laughable, how many of us watch the commercials ,
the list goes on and on often ending in rare cases death :fp:
I think I'll keep my mood swings. What is most laughable is the drugs to treat
the side effects of the first drug and people are doing this.
I go back to feeling. Whether it is pain, sadness, anxiety, joy, it is better than not
feeling. It is all about being alive, getting to know oneself, accepting that
and calling upon ones own strengths, support systems and faith in knowing
that we are right where we are supposed to be.... learning.
Have you done the research on BP meds yet that will freak you out...
And it's all the rage!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Hell YES...although I do succumb to comfortably numb when the need arises
brian, much agreed on thinking for yourself - self-education. No excuse for otherwise, considering how much information is now available. (of course, one must weed through all that shit to find the truth!)
EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION
Not laws that tell people what they can and can't do to their OWN bodies....
We've had this argument before, Pandora.
We will continue to disagree, I am afraid on legalizing all drugs.
Just as we need laws protecting we need much education
this I agree with 100%.
But as we can see ... many know very well the effects of alcohol on the body
yet people continue to endanger others while driving under the influence.
This a comparison as to why we need laws to protect
and consequences for those who are irresponsible and hurt others and society.
This the same with those providing and using hard drugs.
Our bodies are our own until they endanger another. Parent hurt Child, Father hurt Mother,
Employee hurt Employer, Neighbor hurt Neighbor...
person to person we are all connected in relationships in our society,
each one's actions affect the other.
Hard drugs hurt many people and the integrity of society itself.
I know I have said many times to many posters we will agree to disagree
and that is the outcome and hopefully respectfully.
Brown: At least 50 percent of NFL players smoke pot
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
interesting. points out an interesting state's rights view about the Obama administration.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... f-pot?lite
the Chicago City Council Wednesday voted 43-3 to approve a new city pot policy.
The ordinance gives police the option to issue a ticket for possession of 15 grams of marijuana or less. Arrests would still be mandated for anyone caught smoking pot in public or possessing marijuana in or near a school or in or near a park. The new rules go into effect Aug. 4.
Supporters of the ordinance, including Mayor Rahm Emanuel, said issuing tickets frees up cops for more serious crime and ultimately will save the police department about $1 million.
I wish our piece-of-shit mayor would follow suit.
We don't need that.
Not just cars either. They are still searching, coming up on ten days, for the body of
a 13 year old in a local lake. His 9 year old brother was killed instantly when hit by
another boater DUI. It was supposed to be a peaceful watch the sunset
and moon rise with their grandfather. Now they are gone, numerous lives crumbled.
It would be nice to think pot smokers would all be responsible, nice but not realistic,
and often mixed with the effects of alcohol it is double the impact, no pun intended.
I'd imagine that if someone drinks responsibly (I hate that damned PC term every time I see it in a booze ad), they'd apply that same prudence when smoking as well.
As for me and DUI'ing, I'll say this...if I were high and driving around LA - with some of the worst, most self-absorbed folks to ever hit the road (myself not included, of course!) - it would only serve as a buzzkill :P
I've said it here many times....for the overwhelming majority of smokers, the impairment level after smoking is less than someone who blows a .08% blood alcohol. Maybe there is the odd person who are more impaired by MJ, but lets be real here: MJ does not result in careless decisions in the same way alcohol does. A person who is stoned to the level of physical impairment will likely be freaked the f out at the thought of driving a car....while a drunk person is more likely to say 'I'm fine to drive'. There are many, many things that distract/impair drivers more than marijuana; they reside in legal grey areas ie - only enforceable under 'distracted driving' or impaired driving laws (w/o the benefit of roadside tests).
Besides....unless you can prove that there will be a large increase in the number of people smoking because of reforms (precedents set in other countries show there would not), it would have no effect on the number of people driving impaired. The smokers who think it's ok to drive stoned are already doing so. Legalization wouldn't cause someone to decide to start driving stoned.
I'm not condoning driving while stoned, but it is largely a strawman argument against reforms.
like the aching family and this boy lost in the water,
while his brother waits to be buried with him.
This pain and loss senseless and avoidable but for one thoughtless person's
irresponsible actions.
My opinion on legalizing weed is taking a bit of a turn.
The extremists who want to legalize all drugs, who do not see how all people
here on the earth are connected, that we are never our bodies alone,
that we have responsibility to society, to each other, to younger generations,
this by way of what we teach them, by our examples, by what is acceptable.
This has very much effected how I feel on the subject.
I believe where pot is now is a good place ... prescribed by doctors,
used in the privacy of one's home. This new Chicago law attempts to stay
within these boundaries but the effects may be quite different.
My opinion on ticketing is a cop should never come in contact with a person
under the influence because in most cases, with too high of a probability
for me, they are because the smoker is behind the wheel.
More will choose to drive thinking ticket alone. And we see, this is after the fact,
often after a tragedy.
The thing about both alcohol and pot it removes good common sense and effects
good decision making for many people. It is all about fun
but we see how fun turns tragic too often and hindsight is 20/20.
This conservative thinking comes to some with age. It comes from seeing the young
die, seeing their families living hell. I personally want to be careful that the law
continues to discourage use and protects those who are bound to act
irresponsibly in the name of fun.
people die in accidents and they are definitely tragedies.
What about the thousands of people who die in other countries and our own simply because these drugs are illegal? Who is more important to you?
...social conservatism is simply a much different form of progressive behavior, and the reason why conservatives always sound like hypocrites
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I like that idea but instead of 5 years make it 2. Five years is a long, long time but either way that would/should get people's attention.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I agree, If nothing else smoking MJ and driving appears to make one paranoid of EVERYTHING. Therefore making some not want to get behind the wheel.
Everytime down here in South Florida I see a driver, driving 20 miles or more BELOW the speed limit I yell (not at them) WHAT, ARE YOU HIGH!
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Or 97 years old and unable to see over the dashboard!
That was my experience in South Florida
make more giant prisons ... the answer?
any plant that grows as nature intended it should be able to be utilised as it is. sure there were times in my misspent youth when joints were given a punch with hash.. but most of the time we smoked weed as nature gave it life. we eat and drink so many things as nature intended so why not smoke a bowl and macrame your arse into the couch??? however...
... if you kill someone, maim someone, crash your car or do something else thats covered under the law as illegal then sure you should pay the price.. but as far as im comcerned the use and growing(for personal use) of marijuana should be, at the least, decriminalised.
i have nothing against anyone using drugs for whatever reason. what i have a problem with is dealers and traffickers.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I care if someone is an addict even if they don't. I want to teach future generations
not to use drugs, not legalize all drugs with the huge message that they are ok to use.
There is no way around that. That is the message and it will increase use.
The world is sad enough without more lost souls. This is what drugs do, they take
the soul of healthy productive people, ruin families, hurt business, divide instead
of bring people together. Ludicrous the idea to throw more lives away to this junk
by saying society supports the use of drugs.
It is not an accident when one is high and drunk behind the wheel, or driving a boat,
it is a tragedy but no accident.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
yes he is responsible. Big fucking deal...
that is after the fact when so many lives are ruined.
This why we have laws to protect the innocent, not preach, protect, to
try to teach, not preach to those who may be irresponsible and all about fun at the
expense of others lives.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Is it a bias when it proves to be true time and again. Social conservatives say, I want the gov't out of my personal life...they also say, I want the government to put limits on other people's personal lives. By definition alone that is hypocrisy, but I know that definitions don't mean much.
So you have decided then...a few more drug addicts in the US are worth more to you than the thousands and thousands and thousands that die and end up in prison for 20 years because the drugs are illegal. good to know where you stand.
But it is all for the children
The government isn't society
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan