After reading through this... I feel like I'm on drugs.
...
I think i need to lay down... you know, sleep it off, man.
No shit, Cosmo.
I had a wisdom tooth pulled today, and me and my swollen right cheek are weighing the benefits of taking a vicodin or smoking a bowl.
Bowl it is.
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This thread is not only about drugs, it's often much like drugs: sometimes it's fun and sometimes it's a bad trip.
By the way, thank you peacefrompaul for kind empathy. Thankfully I lived through all my past demons and am fortunate to be living a good, fulfilling, productive and sane life.
It's a tough world we live in and many if not most of us have had to go through some tough times, bad breaks or trauma to make it through. Banning this or that really doesn't help anyone and our plethora of legal pharmaceuticals are often the worst choice of all. If this country spent as much time and money helping people as we do fighting a useless war on drugs there would be many more happy and safe people walking around.
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Because war is based in greed and no law ever conquers that
greed is why we have pushers getting 13 year olds addicted to meth
killing young bodies to make a buck
but yet you want laws trying to stop one behavior and not the other...So it is pointless to try to make war illegal because it will always happen due to greed...the same greed that will drive drug production/sales....interesting...do you honestly not see this as a massive contradiction?
I personally will never stop fighting to make sure that no one dies a needless death...that is, unless you live in another country. Then you can go fuck yourself. We are talking about American kids...you know..the important ones...Foreign kids...you should know better than to simply live your life normally...bombs will be dropping so get the fuck out of the way. Massive cartels cutting heads off are coming Mexican border towns...get the fuck out of the way...
Pandora, your selective moral position is perplexing.
Seriously, will you respond to the FACT that the drug war is destroying hundreds of thousands of people world wide, not from using the drugs, but from the production and dominance by cartels...your moral stance weakens every time you ignore it. If you have responded to that, please point me to it, as I must have missed it
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Because war is based in greed and no law ever conquers that
greed is why we have pushers getting 13 year olds addicted to meth
killing young bodies to make a buck
but yet you want laws trying to stop one behavior and not the other...So it is pointless to try to make war illegal because it will always happen due to greed...the same greed that will drive drug production/sales....interesting...do you honestly not see this as a massive contradiction?
I personally will never stop fighting to make sure that no one dies a needless death...that is, unless you live in another country. Then you can go fuck yourself. We are talking about American kids...you know..the important ones...Foreign kids...you should know better than to simply live your life normally...bombs will be dropping so get the fuck out of the way. Massive cartels cutting heads off are coming Mexican border towns...get the fuck out of the way...
Pandora, your selective moral position is perplexing.
Seriously, will you respond to the FACT that the drug war is destroying hundreds of thousands of people world wide, not from using the drugs, but from the production and dominance by cartels...your moral stance weakens every time you ignore it. If you have responded to that, please point me to it, as I must have missed it
I am against hard drugs will never condone them nor the legalization of them.
I am not alone obviously.
I think I have been consistent and given many reasons why I do not support all drugs being legal.
hey what do you think of the new legal baths salts and cannibal tendencies? :shock:
Title of the article Miami cannibal case: NO bath salts or other street drugs found in his system They just found weed.
I don't care if you are against all drugs or not, You haven't wavered in that position. That is consistant. It is the justification you have is wildly inconsistent. I just I would point out that your stance about greed making laws against war impossible being in DIRECT conflict with your stance on drugs considering by your own words it is greed that forces the production and sale...
You have been consistent...consistently talking about kids and the lives drugs destroy without ever once acknowledging the lives the DRUG WAR alone destroys. Not the ones choosing to start using, but the ones that are forced from a young age to stand naked as they cut drugs for cartels. But our suburbs and inner cities are the only populations that need protection. That is fine...selective moral outrage and the subsequent abuse in government to "solve" those problems is the reason our country is so polarized, and I will not hesitate to point it out when I see it.
Personal Liberty has a cost...do you want it or not?
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Title of the article Miami cannibal case: NO bath salts or other street drugs found in his system They just found weed.
I don't care if you are against all drugs or not, You haven't wavered in that position. That is consistant. It is the justification you have is wildly inconsistent. I just I would point out that your stance about greed making laws against war impossible being in DIRECT conflict with your stance on drugs considering by your own words it is greed that forces the production and sale...
You have been consistent...consistently talking about kids and the lives drugs destroy without ever once acknowledging the lives the DRUG WAR alone destroys. Not the ones choosing to start using, but the ones that are forced from a young age to stand naked as they cut drugs for cartels. But our suburbs and inner cities are the only populations that need protection. That is fine...selective moral outrage and the subsequent abuse in government to "solve" those problems is the reason our country is so polarized, and I will not hesitate to point it out when I see it.
Personal Liberty has a cost...do you want it or not?
Was that a defense for bath salts? I was talking about our incident, just one of many,
occurring recently and the deaths of teens too.
Are you glad this drug is legal? ... Do you think we should protect people
from those who would cannibalize them while high? Do you think this drug should be illegal?
It is now currently sold in gas stations.
That has been the case with deadly DUI accidents here. No punishment for these deaths
as it is not detected when collected. The murderers going free.
Greed is the root to all war and that would include drugs, is the point I made.
My stance is that I can not condone legalizing all drugs not to save victims of a war,
any war. Horrendous happenings occur daily here, everywhere that will not change
the fact that I believe legalizing all drugs to be a most ridiculous solution.
I can have no part of that, as I said I am no where near alone either.
Title of the article Miami cannibal case: NO bath salts or other street drugs found in his system They just found weed.
I don't care if you are against all drugs or not, You haven't wavered in that position. That is consistant. It is the justification you have is wildly inconsistent. I just I would point out that your stance about greed making laws against war impossible being in DIRECT conflict with your stance on drugs considering by your own words it is greed that forces the production and sale...
You have been consistent...consistently talking about kids and the lives drugs destroy without ever once acknowledging the lives the DRUG WAR alone destroys. Not the ones choosing to start using, but the ones that are forced from a young age to stand naked as they cut drugs for cartels. But our suburbs and inner cities are the only populations that need protection. That is fine...selective moral outrage and the subsequent abuse in government to "solve" those problems is the reason our country is so polarized, and I will not hesitate to point it out when I see it.
Personal Liberty has a cost...do you want it or not?
I see what you're saying Mike. Its a great point. Unheard of amounts of people are being massacred by violence surrounding the drug war. Beheadings! the drug war violence is insane. I think i'd rather have people dying from their own choice (O.D.), than the drug war killings as a result of violence and greed.
Seriously, will you respond to the FACT that the drug war is destroying hundreds of thousands of people world wide, not from using the drugs, but from the production and dominance by cartels...your moral stance weakens every time you ignore it. If you have responded to that, please point me to it, as I must have missed it
You know, it's funny, the war on drugs isn't hurting people, the cartels are. Is it bad policy? could be. I think it is. Would it stop some of the violence? Not sure, maybe it would just move it to other drugs or other illegal dealings that can make a quick buck.
But to blame the war on drugs for the actions of criminals is pretty silly. You think that if pot was legal that all those cartel members are going to start working at their local grocery store?
Seriously, will you respond to the FACT that the drug war is destroying hundreds of thousands of people world wide, not from using the drugs, but from the production and dominance by cartels...your moral stance weakens every time you ignore it. If you have responded to that, please point me to it, as I must have missed it
You know, it's funny, the war on drugs isn't hurting people, the cartels are. Is it bad policy? could be. I think it is. Would it stop some of the violence? Not sure, maybe it would just move it to other drugs or other illegal dealings that can make a quick buck.
But to blame the war on drugs for the actions of criminals is pretty silly. You think that if pot was legal that all those cartel members are going to start working at their local grocery store?
I suppose the drug war isn't a person doing harm to other people. But it has set up a way for criminals to take advantage of laws designed to stop the impossible and make billions of dollars in doing so. Without it, there is no need for a giant drug cartel using violence and intimidation to gain their market share...I don't believe I see bloody wars in the streets involving boner pill turf.
and no, I don't believe they will bag groceries ... but, as the #1 purchaser of illegal drugs went away (that's us), they would soon find funds drying up. I don't pretend to think that stopping the nonsense we call the war on drugs will make the world perfect, criminals are opportunists for the most part...what happens when you take away the opportunity? They look for another one. And maybe that happens in a massive way...I just would have no idea what that would be... and I know we wouldn't waste billions yearly trying to fight it. What happened to all the murder and violence that surrounded alcohol when prohibition was repealed? illegal base jumping cartels? the war on drugs created cartels like we know today. If cartels want to turn to gambling and create a huge thriving metropolis in the deserts of mexico they are more than welcome.
I don't want the government to try to make the world perfect. It cannot. I also don't want you, me, our future as a country damaged because of wasteful spending programs like the war on drugs. I think the government should focus on protecting it citizens from each other...not from themselves. It is simply a different philosophy.
Billions wasted. What do you think would happen if we spent half of that money on education and treatment programs?
I don't begin to know what will happen in every instance if the war on drugs is lifted, I just know that what we have now isn't working and throwing more money down the rabbit hole in hopes that it will finally be enough...that is silly.
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Title of the article Miami cannibal case: NO bath salts or other street drugs found in his system They just found weed.
I don't care if you are against all drugs or not, You haven't wavered in that position. That is consistant. It is the justification you have is wildly inconsistent. I just I would point out that your stance about greed making laws against war impossible being in DIRECT conflict with your stance on drugs considering by your own words it is greed that forces the production and sale...
You have been consistent...consistently talking about kids and the lives drugs destroy without ever once acknowledging the lives the DRUG WAR alone destroys. Not the ones choosing to start using, but the ones that are forced from a young age to stand naked as they cut drugs for cartels. But our suburbs and inner cities are the only populations that need protection. That is fine...selective moral outrage and the subsequent abuse in government to "solve" those problems is the reason our country is so polarized, and I will not hesitate to point it out when I see it.
Personal Liberty has a cost...do you want it or not?
Was that a defense for bath salts? I was talking about our incident, just one of many,
occurring recently and the deaths of teens too.
Are you glad this drug is legal? ... Do you think we should protect people
from those who would cannibalize them while high? Do you think this drug should be illegal?
It is now currently sold in gas stations.
That has been the case with deadly DUI accidents here. No punishment for these deaths
as it is not detected when collected. The murderers going free.
Greed is the root to all war and that would include drugs, is the point I made.
My stance is that I can not condone legalizing all drugs not to save victims of a war,
any war. Horrendous happenings occur daily here, everywhere that will not change
the fact that I believe legalizing all drugs to be a most ridiculous solution.
I can have no part of that, as I said I am no where near alone either.
Glad I know where you stand...American teens who od on a drug they chose to use is egregious...creating an environment where people are actually cutting the heads off of others in mexico...ok because we are trying to stop American teens from ODing...what don't I understand about that?
and yep I do think bath salts should be available. I also wonder if people would turn to bath salts if a bag of weed or coke was sitting right next to it at the same gas station?...I also think that everyone who uses bath salts gets high and tries to eat people. I see thousands of those cases a day. Since I believe people should be able to use bath salts, Robitussin, or whatever else they want to get high, that has to mean that not only do I support such behavior I actually encourage it. If people want to kill themselves by all means go nuts. The bath salt epidemic reminds me of the PCP scare...helen hunt jumping out a window anyone?
47000 deaths in mexico alone in drug related violence since 2006. That doesn't count Colombia. But that doesn't matter. Those people aren't defended here, it is the people who od on their own volition in the US that matter. By the way, those numbers are probably low as the different states in mexico have a hard time gathering consistent data. That doesn't include Colombia or any other latin american country.
Your argument against the drug war is based in morality, I pointed out that it is morally selective in its nature of who you believe to be more important. in other words, it is morally inconsistent. I don't use a moral argument for the ending of the drug war personally. I can point out statistics and all sorts of negatives associated with it, but ultimately the people involved in it are choosing to do so. They do so at their own risk...just like drug users. I just wanted to point out to you that caring about some deaths over others is strange.
Personally, I just think it is bad policy if one wants to truly end drug use and fiscally irresponsible to continue to fight a war with no hope of ever winning. Spend half of it on treatment and save the other half...or if you have to spend it...spend it on enforcing victim crimes.
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This thread is rather pointless. Obama has already turned the federal heat up on mary jane. If mary jane is being prosecuted, what chance does cocaine have?
Also, here is some advice for Mexico. Pay your soldiers more. Take away the incentive to flip. And then start kicking some major ass.
This thread is rather pointless. Obama has already turned the federal heat up on mary jane. If mary jane is being prosecuted, what chance does cocaine have?
Is it just me... or do the people who argue against legalizing pot always sound like the people who really should smoke pot?
You know, to loosen up their tight asses.
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Is it just me... or do the people who argue against legalizing pot always sound like the people who really should smoke pot?
You know, to loosen up their tight asses.
Also, here is some advice for Mexico. Pay your soldiers more. Take away the incentive to flip. And then start kicking some major ass.
The 47000 deaths mikepegg referenced are a direct result of throwing more money at the problem, and increasing enforcement. The numbers are 'since 2006', because thats the year Calderon decided to start 'kicking major ass'. The Merida Initiative only made things worse. Throwing money and arms at this does not work!
Put in a way cons can relate: Increased enforcement of an illegal industry is not that different from taxing the shit out of a legit one. Costs are pushed down the line to consumers. The business leaders see no real difference in bottom line....but a whole lot of low and mid-level businessmen get 'taken out' in the process.
Just because an industry is illegal, doesn't mean the market fundamentals of risk/reward and supply/demand don't apply. Increased enforcement = increased risk = less supply = increased prices = higher stakes = more violence. It's self perpetuating. Enforcement is a band-aid fix.
Also, here is some advice for Mexico. Pay your soldiers more. Take away the incentive to flip. And then start kicking some major ass.
The 47000 deaths mikepegg referenced are a direct result of throwing more money at the problem, and increasing enforcement. The numbers are 'since 2006', because thats the year Calderon decided to start 'kicking major ass'. The Merida Initiative only made things worse. Throwing money and arms at this does not work!
Put in a way cons can relate: Increased enforcement of an illegal industry is not that different from taxing the shit out of a legit one. Costs are pushed down the line to consumers. The business leaders see no real difference in bottom line....but a whole lot of low and mid-level businessmen get 'taken out' in the process.
Just because an industry is illegal, doesn't mean the market fundamentals of risk/reward and supply/demand don't apply. Increased enforcement = increased risk = less supply = increased prices = higher stakes = more violence. It's self perpetuating. Enforcement is a band-aid fix.
Not increased enforcement, increased pay. Take away the incentive for law enforcement to flip to the cartels. If a Mexican cop is making $350 a month, he will flip for $800 to become an assassin. As long as the cartel's payroll can double the state's pay, this problem will persist.
Also, here is some advice for Mexico. Pay your soldiers more. Take away the incentive to flip. And then start kicking some major ass.
The 47000 deaths mikepegg referenced are a direct result of throwing more money at the problem, and increasing enforcement. The numbers are 'since 2006', because thats the year Calderon decided to start 'kicking major ass'. The Merida Initiative only made things worse. Throwing money and arms at this does not work!
Put in a way cons can relate: Increased enforcement of an illegal industry is not that different from taxing the shit out of a legit one. Costs are pushed down the line to consumers. The business leaders see no real difference in bottom line....but a whole lot of low and mid-level businessmen get 'taken out' in the process.
Just because an industry is illegal, doesn't mean the market fundamentals of risk/reward and supply/demand don't apply. Increased enforcement = increased risk = less supply = increased prices = higher stakes = more violence. It's self perpetuating. Enforcement is a band-aid fix.
Not increased enforcement, increased pay. Take away the incentive for law enforcement to flip to the cartels. If a Mexican cop is making $350 a month, he will flip for $800 to become an assassin. As long as the cartel's payroll can double the state's pay, this problem will persist.
drug dealers get paid in dollars. I don't think it is possible for the mexican government to keep up
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drug dealers get paid in dollars. I don't think it is possible for the mexican government to keep up
All they have to do is match the salary of the New Mexico State Patrol.
Cuidad Juarez, Mexico and El Paso, New Mexico are separated by a few hundred yards. One side had 3,000 murders in 2010. The other side had 5 murders. You will have to guess on which city was worse.
Not increased enforcement, increased pay. Take away the incentive for law enforcement to flip to the cartels. If a Mexican cop is making $350 a month, he will flip for $800 to become an assassin. As long as the cartel's payroll can double the state's pay, this problem will persist.
Semantics. Increasing pay is increasing enforcement. Still a band aid fix.
Not increased enforcement, increased pay. Take away the incentive for law enforcement to flip to the cartels. If a Mexican cop is making $350 a month, he will flip for $800 to become an assassin. As long as the cartel's payroll can double the state's pay, this problem will persist.
Semantics. Increasing pay is increasing enforcement. Still a band aid fix.
If a law enforcement officer is making $4000 - $8000 a year, how hard is it for a cartel to buy a whole precinct? That's chump change to them. That's like powerful ranchers running towns in the Wild, Wild West.
I'm by no means an expert and can claim I know how to fix everything, but the incentive of low pay and the threat of being executed would make it very easy for me to join the bad guys if I was in Mexican law officer's shoes.
New Mexico's State Patrol starts out at $37K and goes up to $53K for a patrolmen. Cartels can't afford to corrupt an entire patrol. They may have a few in their pocket, but nothing as serious as what happens a stones throw away.
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drug dealers get paid in dollars. I don't think it is possible for the mexican government to keep up
All they have to do is match the salary of the New Mexico State Patrol.
Cuidad Juarez, Mexico and El Paso, New Mexico are separated by a few hundred yards. One side had 3,000 murders in 2010. The other side had 5 murders. You will have to guess on which city was worse.
Right but how will they do that? Not a lot of tax money coming in from the marijuana trade
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Right but how will they do that? Not a lot of tax money coming in from the marijuana trade
Eliminate the crime and promote business and tourism. No legit business can survive because they will get shaken down. Drugs are not the only income these lawless vultures prey upon.
The wealthy have left and taken their families to El Paso. They need to take the city back and restore pride and culture.
Not increased enforcement, increased pay. Take away the incentive for law enforcement to flip to the cartels. If a Mexican cop is making $350 a month, he will flip for $800 to become an assassin. As long as the cartel's payroll can double the state's pay, this problem will persist.
Semantics. Increasing pay is increasing enforcement. Still a band aid fix.
If a law enforcement officer is making $4000 - $8000 a year, how hard is it for a cartel to buy a whole precinct? That's chump change to them. That's like powerful ranchers running towns in the Wild, Wild West.
I'm by no means an expert and can claim I know how to fix everything, but the incentive of low pay and the threat of being executed would make it very easy for me to join the bad guys if I was in Mexican law officer's shoes.
New Mexico's State Patrol starts out at $37K and goes up to $53K for a patrolmen. Cartels can't afford to corrupt an entire patrol. They may have a few in their pocket, but nothing as serious as what happens a stones throw away.
Kinda misses the point. You're suggesting we just haven't thrown enough money at the drug war....it's been proven over and over again that it doesnt help.
You find a way to close the hole at the Cuidad Juarez/El Paso crossing, they'll find another one.....pretty soon you'll have the entire Mexican border police force taking a 500% pay increase. Where does that money come from? Tourism and business? Shake downs didn't kill the local businesses there; it was trade policy that killed the manufacturing and agriculture sectors in the area. There is no business to promote. Even if they get it back on track (as likely as getting US manufacturing back on track), that money is years down the pipe.....So the upfront money likely comes from the US....So....Mexico becomes more indebted to the US (at the insistence of the US), in order to stop the flow of product demanded by the US public. Shitty deal for Mexico.
Thing is...this has been done already! The Merida Initiative gave billions to the Mexican government, and that's when the bloodshed increased exponentially.
I thought you quit :? oh .... that was Chadwick right?
maybe.... i dont know what chadwick does.
and where would you get any idea of what i do or dont do???
oh sorry i get you guys mixed up some... sometimes when I read
the posts you sound the same or alike... compliment right?
no harm intended just thought I read you said you quit???
and yes I agree nobody likes a bogart
pandora,
why is it that you & another truly believe that catefrances is chadwick & that chadwick is catefrances? your intelligence agent is ass backwards. in fact, your lickedy split lil agent is out of their mind. catefrances is a genius in Australia. i am a different person & genius here in the united states of america, iowa to be exact.
catefrances will be my goldfish's name next year when i get one for my lake behind my large log home up in the corn mountains. i will install a lot of Australia stuff.
for example. catefrances likes writing poetry about stuff. chadwick (that is me, hello :wave: ) likes writing poetry about stuff. catefrances is far away. chadwick is far away. catefrances & chadwick have the same size ears, noses, elbows, & private areas. catefrances stats w/ a c. chadwick ends in a k. we are both smurfs & surfers & juggling fiddle players.
legalized drugs would mean chadwick & catefrances both could operate their lives legally ....... until someone declares the two of us to be one solid unit
If a law enforcement officer is making $4000 - $8000 a year, how hard is it for a cartel to buy a whole precinct? That's chump change to them. That's like powerful ranchers running towns in the Wild, Wild West.
I'm by no means an expert and can claim I know how to fix everything, but the incentive of low pay and the threat of being executed would make it very easy for me to join the bad guys if I was in Mexican law officer's shoes.
New Mexico's State Patrol starts out at $37K and goes up to $53K for a patrolmen. Cartels can't afford to corrupt an entire patrol. They may have a few in their pocket, but nothing as serious as what happens a stones throw away.
Kinda misses the point. You're suggesting we just haven't thrown enough money at the drug war....it's been proven over and over again that it doesnt help.
You find a way to close the hole at the Cuidad Juarez/El Paso crossing, they'll find another one.....pretty soon you'll have the entire Mexican border police force taking a 500% pay increase. Where does that money come from? Tourism and business? Shake downs didn't kill the local businesses there; it was trade policy that killed the manufacturing and agriculture sectors in the area. There is no business to promote. Even if they get it back on track (as likely as getting US manufacturing back on track), that money is years down the pipe.....So the upfront money likely comes from the US....So....Mexico becomes more indebted to the US (at the insistence of the US), in order to stop the flow of product demanded by the US public. Shitty deal for Mexico.
Thing is...this has been done already! The Merida Initiative gave billions to the Mexican government, and that's when the bloodshed increased exponentially.
Well, at the very least we both agree that a new strategy needs to be implemented. At a long-shot (unfortunately), weed gets decriminalized. But that's as far as I see it going.
It will be interesting to see what the new El Presidente ends up doing ... hopefully it has something involving Sly Stallone and his merry crew.
drug dealers get paid in dollars. I don't think it is possible for the mexican government to keep up
All they have to do is match the salary of the New Mexico State Patrol.
Cuidad Juarez, Mexico and El Paso, New Mexico are separated by a few hundred yards. One side had 3,000 murders in 2010. The other side had 5 murders. You will have to guess on which city was worse.
el paso is in texas. just sayin'
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I think i need to lay down... you know, sleep it off, man.
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I had a wisdom tooth pulled today, and me and my swollen right cheek are weighing the benefits of taking a vicodin or smoking a bowl.
Bowl it is.
By the way, thank you peacefrompaul for kind empathy. Thankfully I lived through all my past demons and am fortunate to be living a good, fulfilling, productive and sane life.
It's a tough world we live in and many if not most of us have had to go through some tough times, bad breaks or trauma to make it through. Banning this or that really doesn't help anyone and our plethora of legal pharmaceuticals are often the worst choice of all. If this country spent as much time and money helping people as we do fighting a useless war on drugs there would be many more happy and safe people walking around.
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I hope you are just as proud of the good job Mom and Dad did, so many kids don't have this...
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but yet you want laws trying to stop one behavior and not the other...So it is pointless to try to make war illegal because it will always happen due to greed...the same greed that will drive drug production/sales....interesting...do you honestly not see this as a massive contradiction?
I personally will never stop fighting to make sure that no one dies a needless death...that is, unless you live in another country. Then you can go fuck yourself. We are talking about American kids...you know..the important ones...Foreign kids...you should know better than to simply live your life normally...bombs will be dropping so get the fuck out of the way. Massive cartels cutting heads off are coming Mexican border towns...get the fuck out of the way...
Pandora, your selective moral position is perplexing.
Seriously, will you respond to the FACT that the drug war is destroying hundreds of thousands of people world wide, not from using the drugs, but from the production and dominance by cartels...your moral stance weakens every time you ignore it. If you have responded to that, please point me to it, as I must have missed it
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I am not alone obviously.
I think I have been consistent and given many reasons why I do not support all drugs being legal.
hey what do you think of the new legal baths salts and cannibal tendencies? :shock:
ah...the guy in Miami wasn't on them...it was just assumed he was.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-06 ... reet-drugs
Title of the article Miami cannibal case: NO bath salts or other street drugs found in his system They just found weed.
I don't care if you are against all drugs or not, You haven't wavered in that position. That is consistant. It is the justification you have is wildly inconsistent. I just I would point out that your stance about greed making laws against war impossible being in DIRECT conflict with your stance on drugs considering by your own words it is greed that forces the production and sale...
You have been consistent...consistently talking about kids and the lives drugs destroy without ever once acknowledging the lives the DRUG WAR alone destroys. Not the ones choosing to start using, but the ones that are forced from a young age to stand naked as they cut drugs for cartels. But our suburbs and inner cities are the only populations that need protection. That is fine...selective moral outrage and the subsequent abuse in government to "solve" those problems is the reason our country is so polarized, and I will not hesitate to point it out when I see it.
Personal Liberty has a cost...do you want it or not?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
occurring recently and the deaths of teens too.
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-police- ... 9321.story
Are you glad this drug is legal? ... Do you think we should protect people
from those who would cannibalize them while high? Do you think this drug should be illegal?
It is now currently sold in gas stations.
http://www.nmslabs.com/services-forensi ... ts-testing do we think perhaps
it was not detected even after testing done some time later.
That has been the case with deadly DUI accidents here. No punishment for these deaths
as it is not detected when collected. The murderers going free.
Greed is the root to all war and that would include drugs, is the point I made.
My stance is that I can not condone legalizing all drugs not to save victims of a war,
any war. Horrendous happenings occur daily here, everywhere that will not change
the fact that I believe legalizing all drugs to be a most ridiculous solution.
I can have no part of that, as I said I am no where near alone either.
I see what you're saying Mike. Its a great point. Unheard of amounts of people are being massacred by violence surrounding the drug war. Beheadings! the drug war violence is insane. I think i'd rather have people dying from their own choice (O.D.), than the drug war killings as a result of violence and greed.
You know, it's funny, the war on drugs isn't hurting people, the cartels are. Is it bad policy? could be. I think it is. Would it stop some of the violence? Not sure, maybe it would just move it to other drugs or other illegal dealings that can make a quick buck.
But to blame the war on drugs for the actions of criminals is pretty silly. You think that if pot was legal that all those cartel members are going to start working at their local grocery store?
I suppose the drug war isn't a person doing harm to other people. But it has set up a way for criminals to take advantage of laws designed to stop the impossible and make billions of dollars in doing so. Without it, there is no need for a giant drug cartel using violence and intimidation to gain their market share...I don't believe I see bloody wars in the streets involving boner pill turf.
and no, I don't believe they will bag groceries ... but, as the #1 purchaser of illegal drugs went away (that's us), they would soon find funds drying up. I don't pretend to think that stopping the nonsense we call the war on drugs will make the world perfect, criminals are opportunists for the most part...what happens when you take away the opportunity? They look for another one. And maybe that happens in a massive way...I just would have no idea what that would be... and I know we wouldn't waste billions yearly trying to fight it. What happened to all the murder and violence that surrounded alcohol when prohibition was repealed? illegal base jumping cartels? the war on drugs created cartels like we know today. If cartels want to turn to gambling and create a huge thriving metropolis in the deserts of mexico they are more than welcome.
I don't want the government to try to make the world perfect. It cannot. I also don't want you, me, our future as a country damaged because of wasteful spending programs like the war on drugs. I think the government should focus on protecting it citizens from each other...not from themselves. It is simply a different philosophy.
Billions wasted. What do you think would happen if we spent half of that money on education and treatment programs?
I don't begin to know what will happen in every instance if the war on drugs is lifted, I just know that what we have now isn't working and throwing more money down the rabbit hole in hopes that it will finally be enough...that is silly.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Glad I know where you stand...American teens who od on a drug they chose to use is egregious...creating an environment where people are actually cutting the heads off of others in mexico...ok because we are trying to stop American teens from ODing...what don't I understand about that?
and yep I do think bath salts should be available. I also wonder if people would turn to bath salts if a bag of weed or coke was sitting right next to it at the same gas station?...I also think that everyone who uses bath salts gets high and tries to eat people. I see thousands of those cases a day. Since I believe people should be able to use bath salts, Robitussin, or whatever else they want to get high, that has to mean that not only do I support such behavior I actually encourage it. If people want to kill themselves by all means go nuts. The bath salt epidemic reminds me of the PCP scare...helen hunt jumping out a window anyone?
47000 deaths in mexico alone in drug related violence since 2006. That doesn't count Colombia. But that doesn't matter. Those people aren't defended here, it is the people who od on their own volition in the US that matter. By the way, those numbers are probably low as the different states in mexico have a hard time gathering consistent data. That doesn't include Colombia or any other latin american country.
Your argument against the drug war is based in morality, I pointed out that it is morally selective in its nature of who you believe to be more important. in other words, it is morally inconsistent. I don't use a moral argument for the ending of the drug war personally. I can point out statistics and all sorts of negatives associated with it, but ultimately the people involved in it are choosing to do so. They do so at their own risk...just like drug users. I just wanted to point out to you that caring about some deaths over others is strange.
Personally, I just think it is bad policy if one wants to truly end drug use and fiscally irresponsible to continue to fight a war with no hope of ever winning. Spend half of it on treatment and save the other half...or if you have to spend it...spend it on enforcing victim crimes.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Also, here is some advice for Mexico. Pay your soldiers more. Take away the incentive to flip. And then start kicking some major ass.
It doesn't have a chance.
No harm in talking about it...
Speak for yourself... this mental image triggered an acid flashback.
Hail, Hail!!!
Ha. I get those too.
Put in a way cons can relate: Increased enforcement of an illegal industry is not that different from taxing the shit out of a legit one. Costs are pushed down the line to consumers. The business leaders see no real difference in bottom line....but a whole lot of low and mid-level businessmen get 'taken out' in the process.
Just because an industry is illegal, doesn't mean the market fundamentals of risk/reward and supply/demand don't apply. Increased enforcement = increased risk = less supply = increased prices = higher stakes = more violence. It's self perpetuating. Enforcement is a band-aid fix.
drug dealers get paid in dollars. I don't think it is possible for the mexican government to keep up
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Cuidad Juarez, Mexico and El Paso, New Mexico are separated by a few hundred yards. One side had 3,000 murders in 2010. The other side had 5 murders. You will have to guess on which city was worse.
I'm by no means an expert and can claim I know how to fix everything, but the incentive of low pay and the threat of being executed would make it very easy for me to join the bad guys if I was in Mexican law officer's shoes.
New Mexico's State Patrol starts out at $37K and goes up to $53K for a patrolmen. Cartels can't afford to corrupt an entire patrol. They may have a few in their pocket, but nothing as serious as what happens a stones throw away.
He speaks the truth...
Peace
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Right but how will they do that? Not a lot of tax money coming in from the marijuana trade
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
The wealthy have left and taken their families to El Paso. They need to take the city back and restore pride and culture.
You find a way to close the hole at the Cuidad Juarez/El Paso crossing, they'll find another one.....pretty soon you'll have the entire Mexican border police force taking a 500% pay increase. Where does that money come from? Tourism and business? Shake downs didn't kill the local businesses there; it was trade policy that killed the manufacturing and agriculture sectors in the area. There is no business to promote. Even if they get it back on track (as likely as getting US manufacturing back on track), that money is years down the pipe.....So the upfront money likely comes from the US....So....Mexico becomes more indebted to the US (at the insistence of the US), in order to stop the flow of product demanded by the US public. Shitty deal for Mexico.
Thing is...this has been done already! The Merida Initiative gave billions to the Mexican government, and that's when the bloodshed increased exponentially.
why is it that you & another truly believe that catefrances is chadwick & that chadwick is catefrances? your intelligence agent is ass backwards. in fact, your lickedy split lil agent is out of their mind. catefrances is a genius in Australia. i am a different person & genius here in the united states of america, iowa to be exact.
catefrances will be my goldfish's name next year when i get one for my lake behind my large log home up in the corn mountains. i will install a lot of Australia stuff.
for example. catefrances likes writing poetry about stuff. chadwick (that is me, hello :wave: ) likes writing poetry about stuff. catefrances is far away. chadwick is far away. catefrances & chadwick have the same size ears, noses, elbows, & private areas. catefrances stats w/ a c. chadwick ends in a k. we are both smurfs & surfers & juggling fiddle players.
legalized drugs would mean chadwick & catefrances both could operate their lives legally ....... until someone declares the two of us to be one solid unit
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
It will be interesting to see what the new El Presidente ends up doing ... hopefully it has something involving Sly Stallone and his merry crew.
el paso is in texas. just sayin'
take a good look
this could be the day
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lie beside me
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